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mydogs
May 6th, 2007, 05:33 PM
Does any one here have a Miki??

Prin
May 6th, 2007, 09:50 PM
What's a miki?

Puppyluv
May 6th, 2007, 10:09 PM
They're some sort of rare toy breed, with fantastic ears:
http://www.coronado-mikis.com/images/eclipse_glry1.jpg
http://www.coronado-mikis.com/images/Mandy_s_boy2_4wks_007.jpg

angeldogs
May 7th, 2007, 03:59 AM
I don't know if it's just me being tired.but the first pic.take a way the ears and it looks like a bald older man with a mustache and goatee
The second pic is really cute.

mydogs
May 7th, 2007, 08:43 AM
the first picture is one cut for show, the uncut miki is adorable. i have one il'l put a picture on.:)

angeldogs
May 7th, 2007, 12:08 PM
I like them both.it's just i've never seen a look like that in the first pic.but i do like very much.

i_have_too_many
May 7th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I have never heard of these dogs, when I saw the first picture I thought of an old angry chinese man with a really bad haircut :laughing:

rainbow
May 7th, 2007, 06:17 PM
I have never heard of these dogs, when I saw the first picture I thought of an old angry chinese man with a really bad haircut :laughing:

You're right....it does. :laughing: The second pic is adorable though. :cloud9:

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
May 8th, 2007, 01:48 AM
From what I understand, they're another designer "breed" :P

angeldogs
May 8th, 2007, 03:47 AM
Atleast i'm not the only one who see's an older man.i didn't want to offend anybody thats why i just said older man.

mydogs
May 8th, 2007, 08:34 AM
thats not a very good picture of a miki,and they are not a designer breed Yorkipoo ect. there a pure bred for 10 years:)

i_have_too_many
May 8th, 2007, 02:35 PM
You can hardly call it a breed if it has only been around for 10 years. People have breeding labradoodles for over 10 years and they are certainly not a pure breed.

OK so what is the origin of this dog? The little one looks to me like a long haired Chi or similar type.

mydogs
May 8th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I don't think labradoodles have registry, miki's are a registered breed.If you wan't to know about them go on line and see them:)

mafiaprincess
May 8th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Yeah some of the fly by night registries take labradoodles and other mixed breeds..
Until registries that are widely accepted accept a breed, it's not been around long enough to tote as pure. Great that the 'miki registry' takes them.. That's pretty small since very little else will.

mydogs
May 8th, 2007, 03:32 PM
There back round is japanese chin,maltese, and pappion.They are now bred miki to miki very new breed 10 years in the making ,but positively a pure bred
:)

mydogs
May 8th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Untill you check them out you can't talk about them.I own one and they ARE pure bred dogs with registery[sp]go on line see what there about you may love to have one:)

joeysmama
May 8th, 2007, 04:41 PM
The little one looks like a shih tzu cross to me. This may sound like a silly question but I've never heard of the breed before so I'm surious if the name has something to do with ears. Were they bred to resemble a Disney Micky?:o

erykah1310
May 8th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Not to be a downer here, but where are they registered????

Not with AKC... http://www.akc.org/breeds/breeds_h.cfm
Not with CKC... http://www.ckc.ca/en/Default.aspx?tabid=89
Not with UKC... http://www.ukcdogs.com/RegistrationBreeders.htm


OOOH I found them in the Contenental Kennel Club.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Ads.aspx?BreedNum=163
Mi-Ki


Height: (Approx.) Under 11In.
Group: Herding
Weight: (Approx.) 4-9 Lbs..
Coat: Long, Fine And Silky; Short.
Color: All Colors Are Accepted

Appearance: Head: Small and "apple domed", with well defined stop. Eyes: Round in shape and dark in color. Ears; Feathered and carried errect or dropped. Muzzle: Medium sized and well proportioned to head. Nose: Black and self-colored according to coat. Bite: Scissor or level. Neck: Medium length and slightly arched. Chest: Medium depth, with well sprung ribs. Body: Back is straight, strong, and level. Legs: Forlegs are straight, with hind legs well bent at the hocks and strifles. Feet: Small and compact, with arched toes; Hare-like. Tail: Set high, long, and carried arched over back. Movement: Smooth flowing gait, with graceful movements. Temperament: Alert, and good family pet.

Frenchy
May 8th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Never heard that breed before :confused:

erykah1310
May 8th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Im just baffled that the Contenental Kennel Club has them listed in the herding group:shrug:
I would have thought more toy or non sporting ( if that kennel club even has those classes)

Im not even sure what the Contenental KC is... perhaps some research is in order for me.

But, regardless, thats one cute little ol chineese man with a bad hair cut:cloud9:

LynLyn
May 8th, 2007, 10:22 PM
awww!! The first one looks like my grandpa when he doesn't get his way! soo adorable.

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 09:40 AM
You have to do your home work before you make statements like that:)

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 09:50 AM
My Miki is registered with the NKC there and all breed registry since 1964:)

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 09:54 AM
This is my Miki:love:

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 09:56 AM
heres one more

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Maggie May again, My Miki :lovestruck: Her Hair needs to be brushed :sorry:

erykah1310
May 9th, 2007, 11:38 AM
My Miki is registered with the NKC there and all breed registry since 1964:)

They say since 1970 but oh well, close

I dont quite understand this KC... Or any for that matter lately.
Could I start up the EKC??? Erika Kennel Club? 'cause from the looks of things when you search kennel clubs it seems everyone has one.:shrug:

i_have_too_many
May 9th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Erykah Kennel clubs were basically started way back when a bunch of guys (yes it was primarily men) decided to get together and create a way for them to compete against eachother with their dogs, and create a "stud book" where all litters would be registered for future reference. It has then developed into the many clubs we see today. The main clubs are the national kennel clubs which run large events and control registration of the breeds they accept. By national I mean the American Kennel Club, Canadian kennel club, United kennel club (Can and Am joint club, been around longer than either), European kennel club etc. In order for a breed to be recognised by them (now I do not know the specifics, but this is how I understand it to be) the breed must have been around for several years, (more than 10) and have a regular, dedicated following. There has to be so many of them registered (or available to be registered) in a certain set amount of time, and there needs to be breed representation at events throughout the year. Those who are requesting registration must create a "breed standard" of which all dogs in the breed are measured against. (I have seen a few "standards" for the Mi-Ki and they are not very consistant). This takes several years, then when the kennel club has been approached and they approve, they take it to the members to vote on whether or not the breed should be included.

There are many, many, many other kennel clubs out there that are sometimes run under the national club, those include city, county and area clubs. For instance around where I live there is the Hamilton and district kennel club, Erie shores, Seaway, Welland and district, and probably more that I can not remember. Those kennel clubs do not do registries, they are the ones who hold events such as conformation shows, obedience trials, etc. They often have training classes and other special events throughout the year. Then there are the other clubs, of which I know little about, so I will not comment on them. There are many other registries besides the national clubs, but they are not affiliated with them, those include the Continental, American Pet and others (there seems to be many). I have seen some on the internet that will make up a "pedigree" for a mix breed dog, I think it is to either make money, or to make people think that their mix breed dog has a "pedigree".

So, in a way you could make up an ERIKA kennel club :D just get a bunch of people together on a regular basis, hold a few events, pay some dues and invite others to do the same :laughing: (I dont think it is really that easy though).

I am just clearing up the thing about kennel clubs, I am not picking on this breed, just so you know. Who knows maybe in 20 years they will be accepted by a national club, but most people do not accept that a dog is a purebred unless it can be registered with either the CKC, AKC, or UKC.

I agree with the others though, it is pretty cute, for a little dog :p .

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 04:36 PM
They are registered in the U.K.C.as well as the N.K.C.

erykah1310
May 9th, 2007, 04:40 PM
In horribly sorry for this horrendous threadjack on your thread, Please dont get me wrong, I think its a darn cute little dog and am actually interested in knowing more about them ( not to own one as small dogs just arent my thing) it never hurts to be knowlegable right:shrug:

Anyways...

I didnt see them in the UKC listings:confused:

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 04:41 PM
ERYKAH your wrong, it is indeed 1964 I have the Registry in front of me:)

erykah1310
May 9th, 2007, 04:45 PM
Hey im just going off of the info on the website.:shrug:
http://www.nationalkennelclub.com/
Since 1970 the National Kennel Club (NKC) has operated to help dog owners register any purebred dog. The NKC has been fair and impartial to all breeders, dog owners, and the various breeds they represent. With the NKC rare breeds may be shown with equal status as well as the major breeds. The NKC licenses all-breed dog shows, events for Coon Dogs, Beagles, Squirrel Dogs, Bird dogs, Fox dogs, Licensed Dog Kennels, Show Judges, and other dog related-events.



LOL, I dont even think they are sure.... this is from another page on the site.

Since 1969 the National Kennel Club (NKC) has operated to help dog owners register any purebred dog. The NKC has been fair and impartial to all breeders, dog owners, and the various breeds. With the NKC rare breeds may be shown with equal status as well as the major breeds. The NKC licenses all-breed dog shows, events for Coon dogs, Beagles, Squirrel dogs, Bird dogs, Fox dogs, licensed dog kennels, show judges, and other dog related events.

mydogs
May 9th, 2007, 04:50 PM
I had Great Danes most of my life so you see it's easy to get hooked,at one time I wouldn't give a Toy breed a second glance now I have my collies too
and a Maltese

Puppyluv
May 9th, 2007, 05:10 PM
They're deffinately cute, but a couple of things about them draws red flags:

1) The Mi-Ki, as a breed, has been split between a few different clubs. These clubs are setting their own standards and the dog is quickly becoming very different from club to club, but all still have the same name, Mi-Ki.

2) The name Mi-Ki is trademarked...

3) The great uncertainty in origin.. If a breed is hundreds of years old and people aren't too sure of the origin of the breed, that's understandable. If the breed is 20 years old, it's more of a worry.


It seems like things are getting better though: The IMR has taken that strain and through a strict breeding program, including DNA profiling through the United Kennel Club, Inc., is developing and refining the Mi-Ki into a new "made in USA" pure breed.

Well anyways, they're cute.:shrug:

coronado3333
May 9th, 2007, 05:47 PM
This breed has been bred Mi-Ki to Mi-Ki for 20 years. There are 3 purebred registries at this time the largest is AMRA American Mi-Ki Registry Association. They require DNA profiling and all dogs track back to the original foundation stock. At this time AMRA is working towards ARBA, UKC and AKC recognition. The breed standards of the 3 registries have minor differences and we are attempting to work towards one combind standard that will best represent the breed.

The Mi-Ki has become much more type spacific in the last few years. I have raised and shown this breed for 5 years now and am actively involved in the recognition process. This is a wonderful breed and very smart. They make excellent theropy dogs due to the great personality of this breed.

The Mi-Ki has done very well in the international show ring winning over thousands of AKC and other rare breeds. They have earned and deserve the respect of the dog world.

By the way I know that a breeder has claimed to have trademarked the name. That is FALSE, she was denied trademark. I know this for a fact, you can check it out with the trademrk and patten office.

coronado3333
May 10th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Why so quite, now that someone who has raised and shown them for years is on here.

You have not used the correct standard:shrug: , for the current standard go to www.americanmi-kiregistryassociation.com click on standard. You will see it has come a long way.

The Mi-Ki has always been and still is a companion toy dog :dog: and is in the toy group in all but that one registry who no one shows with.

The Mi-Ki is NOT a designer breed. To get a Labradoodle you must breed a Poodle to a Lab. Mi-Kis have been bred Mi-Ki to Mi-Ki for over 20 years.

:offtopic: By the way the photos first used on this topic were stolen from :eek: my web site.
Next time ask......:pawprint:

Puppyluv
May 10th, 2007, 11:13 AM
:offtopic: By the way the photos first used on this topic were stolen from :eek: my web site.
Next time ask......:pawprint:

I found them randomly on Google Images on several websites. There was no comment on the photos that permission was needed for duplication. I didn't "steal" them. I put them up as a demonstration of the breed, and left the domain the same so that people could see their origin. If I had saved the files, and changed the names so that it looked like they were my photos, then it would have been stealing. But I didn't. I mearly put up two photos that I found quickly and looked good. If you don't want your photos used like that, protect them.

marko
May 10th, 2007, 12:18 PM
Please let's keep this thread civil or it will be closed. We are all here to learn and to educate... hostility and/or rudeness detracts from both.

Puppyluv - Posting those pics violated the owner's copyright. It is not up to the owner to protect them...it's up to web users not to use them UNTIL they get permission. For now please leave them until we hear back from the OP.

coronado3333 - These images belong to you - should we delete them?

Thanks all!

Marko

cpietra16
May 10th, 2007, 12:38 PM
THis site talks about he origin of the name and breed...I'm just curious as too when a breed goes from being a disigner dog to a breed.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/miki.htm

Can a labradoodle become a pure breed in 20years too?

erykah1310
May 10th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Can a labradoodle become a pure breed in 20years too?

According to their "breeders" yes they can.

erykah1310
May 10th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Why so quite, now that someone who has raised and shown them for years is on here.

You have not used the correct standard:shrug: , for the current standard go to www.americanmi-kiregistryassociation.com click on standard. You will see it has come a long way.



Its not that "I" have not used the correct standard, its just what I have found.
However, the fact that the "Kennel Clubs" that recognize the breed cant even decide on the proper standard for the breed sets off another flag for me:shrug:


The Mi-Ki is NOT a designer breed. To get a Labradoodle you must breed a Poodle to a Lab. Mi-Kis have been bred Mi-Ki to Mi-Ki for over 20 years
But im confused as to where the Mi-Ki origionates from?:shrug: And in 20 years when people are breeding Labradoodles to Labradoodles and in turn producing Labradoodles... will that make the Labradoodle a breed to?

The Mi-Ki has always been and still is a companion toy dog and is in the toy group in all but that one registry who no one shows with.

I would be quite ticked if the registries that held my dogs breed in it had different group placements. That seems unstable if you ask me:shrug: And if no one shows with them, why are there registered dogs with them:shrug:

Dont get me wrong, Im really just interested in knowing as much as I can, and what better way than to talk to someone as involved with them as you are.
And please dont mistake my absense due to work as backing down or anything, If I have a question, I will ask it, regardless who I am asking

mydogs
May 10th, 2007, 05:52 PM
I simply would like to say that most of you have been very critical of The Miki breed,for know good reason. All dogs evolved from wolves, that being said,you would not appreciate a new breed so why talk about it.You have know real interest in the breed other than to make fun of it.there are hybrid dogs ,hairless dogs, mop dogs [Komondors]and I could go on and on ,they became pure bred. I don't get it.I have been on the forum a few days and have been ashamed of most of your attitudes,seems to me that it's more important for you to insult rather then enjoy this forum. I have many breed dogs from a komondor ,Collies, Danes and yes a Miki and i love them all and would never appologize because you people wan't to make fun of rather then appreciate a new breed,Shame on you ,you have given this forum a bad rep.

Carnac
May 11th, 2007, 06:00 AM
This thread has run its course and will now be closed. Please do not attempt to reopen in another thread.