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need a compilation of all Menu Foods associations

technodoll
March 22nd, 2007, 07:24 PM
for my akita forum... many folks don't want to believe that anything they are feeding MIGHT be manufactured in the Menu Food plant or ingredients supplied by them... i would love to tally up some responses:

"safe" companies such as Canidae (+need email confirmation from them)
"unsafe" companies such as Natura (+need email they sent)

with a little collaboration we can get something good going here.... :o

Prin
March 22nd, 2007, 08:32 PM
I don't get what you mean..:confused: :shrug:

They should just email the companies directly.. No?

erykah1310
March 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
Purina was one of them right??? Im sorry if this is off topic a bit...
But they sent me an email stating how they werent involved???:shrug: I dont even know how or where they got my email from:shrug:

technodoll
March 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
well these are not a very "go git 'em" bunch of people :o they read the news and it's good enough for them, you know? saying petconnection.com is full of crap, it's not true, blah blah blah. i kinda want to post a "here you go" info thread for them, so they can't say i'm making this stuff up. :frustrated:

Prin
March 22nd, 2007, 08:40 PM
Well, there's this from coppperbelle about canidae...
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=38114

One Beagle Girl
March 22nd, 2007, 09:09 PM
Okay...so far I have:

Made by Menu (confirmed)
Wellness (who confirmed to me that Menu only produces canned food)
Nature's Variety

Not Made by Menu (from website)
Merrick
Fromm Four Star (made in human food plant)

:confused: that's all i got :confused:

SunGurl372
March 22nd, 2007, 09:16 PM
Not sure if it's good enough...but Timberwolf's website says they are not affected. As well as Merrick's. Haven't emailed anyone.

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 09:17 PM
Natura and castor and pollux are made by menu

Prin
March 22nd, 2007, 09:18 PM
Okay...so far I have:

Made by Menu (confirmed)
Wellness (who confirmed to me that Menu only produces canned food)
Nature's Variety

Not Made by Menu (from website)
Merrick
Fromm Four Star (made in human food plant)

:confused: that's all i got :confused:

Solid gold has said on their site that Menu foods doesn't make any of their foods.

Sungurl, "not affected" doesn't mean the food isn't made by menu... That's what we're figuring out these days.:sad: Apparently Menu makes a looooot of foods.

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 09:18 PM
TO won't tell anyone where their stuff is made, so not good enough..

technodoll
March 22nd, 2007, 09:37 PM
this is a great start! THANK YOU everyone! :highfive:

rainbow
March 22nd, 2007, 09:53 PM
Here's what I received from Wellness (Old Mother Hubbard):

We are aware that Menu Foods has initiated a recall. No products made by Wellness & Old Mother Hubbard are affected in any way.

Again, no Wellness, Old Mother Hubbard, or Neura products are part of this recall.

While we do have some of our products made at Menu Foods, we do not use the specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place. In addition, we have strict cleaning procedures in place to prevent cross-contamination.

Please view the press release at www.menufoods.com/recall. The foods affected by the recall are all Chunks & Gravy style canned foods or wet foods packaged in pouches. We do not make either style food.

Menu makes some of our canned cat and dog foods; they do not make any dry foods.

We are happy to tell you that we require our facilities to pass an audit by Cook & Thurber, a HUMAN FOOD auditing firm. They have a great website that explains what they do and their strict requirements. They can be found at www.cookandthurber.com.

If you would like more information, feel free to write us back or call our Consumer Affairs line at (800) 225-0904.

Nicole Bibeau
Specialist
Consumer Affairs

rainbow
March 22nd, 2007, 09:56 PM
My reply from Natura Pet Foods (Innova, California Natural):

Natura Pet Products owns and operates two manufacturing facilities, including a new, state-of-the-art manufacturing plant in Fremont, Nebraska. Our plants are AIB Certified “Superior”, Organic Certified, USDA APHIS Registered and ISO 9001:2001 compliant. Natura does utilize Menu Foods to manufacture canned products; however, Natura maintains final review and strict approval of all formulation designs, including the types and quality of ingredients included. Menu Foods is responsible for quality control in its facilities, based upon their Good Manufacturing Practice process; a copy of which is on file in our offices. Natura has a complete and documented Product Quality reference on hand detailing the quality standards for each formula and can size produced under Natura’s labels. Each of our canned products are routinely reviewed and compared to the standards set out in this reference material. It is important to emphasize that: 1) the Menu Foods recall is specific to “cuts and gravy” products WHICH NATURA DOES NOT SELL, and; 2) Natura’s canned products are made at a facility which has NOT BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE RECALL. Since being notified of the recall, Natura has been in direct contact with Menu Foods management and have a 100% confidence level that our canned products in the market are healthful and safe.
__________________

Prin
March 22nd, 2007, 09:59 PM
While we do have some of our products made at Menu Foods, we do not use the specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place. In addition, we have strict cleaning procedures in place to prevent cross-contamination.:sad: :sad: :sad:

TeriM
March 22nd, 2007, 10:02 PM
Obviously they know more then they are sharing. Cause menu-foods "doesn't know" the cause but yet all the other companies are saying that they don't "use the ingredient responsible for the recall" :mad: .

technodoll
March 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM
sorry but if i fed any commercial petfood right now... i'd be seriously concerned. how can you trust ANYBODY at this point? :eek: :sad: :mad:

rainbow
March 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM
I read on another forum that someones was told that Canidae's canned food is made at Evanger's plant. :shrug:

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 10:16 PM
Personally im not using wet food food never did much, and when my TO is gone am not likely buying more. i have 5 pounds of wellness to use.. and then ill have to re evaluate wtf I'm doing...

Since they don't seem to know what the bad ingredient is, prove to me there's no chance of other effected stuff.. and prove there isn't icky contamination. Just what I want.. blood and bone meal an oops in my can of wellness whitefish because a lot of these nasty brands are just that.. n a s t y .....

Shamrock
March 22nd, 2007, 10:26 PM
Thanks Rainbow for posting your response for us.

Honestly...my head is just spinning from all this contradictary information from these companies.:frustrated::and I know I have lots of company in this!

I dont feel at all confident in resuming feeding the Innova tinned that I have on hand.

The Felidae appears ok. I think.:confused: I hope.:fingerscr I dont know.:sad:

rainbow
March 22nd, 2007, 10:26 PM
MP, are you going to email TO to tell them why?

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 10:34 PM
Didn't see the point. I do see chris porch has joined another forum I frequent though, and everyone is praising TO. Guess they are modifying the site, so the forum members wondered if TO had gone under so he joined to reassure them....

From the idiotic things TO had said and done along the way, they'd need to do a lot about their customer service.. Their shipping on their site is still a screwed up option if you are in Canada, and their foods aren't as easy to find as the locator on most of the other sites...

So now that they can't be honest as well. *beep beep beep* I think I've had enough..

Prin
March 22nd, 2007, 10:37 PM
I'd still email..:o

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 11:04 PM
I never email.. but I just emailed. Was honest rather than nasty. Pointed out after this pet food scare I doubt I'm the only one wondering what they are hiding since they won't share where the food is made.
And if companies are admitting to using menu even.. and they are still hiding... yeesh...

rainbow
March 22nd, 2007, 11:26 PM
MP, thank you for emailing them. I am almost finished my bag of TO Wild & Natural that I was mixing with Innova regular. The dogs love it but I am too ticked off with TO for being so secretive.....especially now.

I think everyone who feels the same way should email Timberwolf Organics to tell them why.

springermom0406
March 22nd, 2007, 11:34 PM
NOT Made by Menu Foods:

Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul
Canidae/Felidae
Breeder's Choice/Pinnacle (except for Chicken and Oats formula which is made by Menu)
Natural Balance
Solid Gold
Triumph/Evolve
Merrick
Kal Kan (Pedigree, Cesar, and Whiskas)


MADE By Menu Foods:

Nature's Variety, Wellness, Castor & Pollux, Newman’s Own Organics, Wysong, Innova

http://www.petfoodexpress.com/petfood/default.asp?pageid=78&Section=About

http://www.howl911.com

One Beagle Girl
March 22nd, 2007, 11:39 PM
Here is what I got from Wellness (emphasis is mine):

I understand your concerns and frustrations. I would like to offer some more information. There are two very important factors in determining the quality of a food. The first is the manufacturer. In this case, Menu Foods is a top notch manufacturer that receives excellent scores for food safety and quality systems. They make a consistent product which is exactly what the company asks for. Frankly, they make product for so many companies because they are one of the best.

The second factor is formula. Ingredient selection can make or break product quality. Certain ingredients can be allergens to certain pets. Other ingredients can be sourced for either their quality or their price. Chicken ingredients, for example, can be sourced at various prices. Low ash chicken, which is better for a cat, can be sourced at a higher price. Those are the types of ingredients we use, because they are of higher quality. So I would not assume all companies are created equal.

We go above and beyond the normal quality control guidelines with all of the plants that we use. We are happy to tell you that we require our facilities to pass an audit by Cook & Thurber, a HUMAN FOOD auditing firm. They have a great website that explains what they do and their strict requirements. They can be found at www.cookandthurber.com

Nicole Bibeau
Consumer Affairs Representative
Wellness & Old Mother Hubbard

and then when I questioned this:

"While we do have some of our products made at Menu Foods, we do not use
the specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place."

I got this:

"Although the FDA does not know what specific ingredient that is causing the issues they do know that it is only the Chunks & Gravy style foods or foods in pouches. We Do Not product either style of food."

I got so much spin I'm dizzy.

:sorry: if this is threadjacking!

:thumbs up great link springermom!

mafiaprincess
March 22nd, 2007, 11:40 PM
Same boat Rainbow.. We have been mixing Orijen with TO elk because I was trying to make it last.. can't easily get more, and she likes it...
But when this is gone, I see me not buying more even if I go to NY end of April..

springermom0406
March 22nd, 2007, 11:47 PM
If MenuFoods is so "top knotch" why didnt they tell pet owners about this in DECEMBER when they found out????

rainbow
March 23rd, 2007, 12:15 AM
I got this:

"Although the FDA does not know what specific ingredient that is causing the issues they do know that it is only the Chunks & Gravy style foods or foods in pouches. We Do Not product either style of food."

I got so much spin I'm dizzy.

Yeah, that is one thing all the pet companies have in common.....they know how to SPIN. :frustrated: :mad:

I did just read though, that the FDA may know the cause tomorrow. :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 01:48 AM
Ooo I think this adds Natural Balance to the "NOT menu" list:

NOTICE:
NO Natural Balance® products are produced
by ANY company associated
with the Pet Food Recall.
For more information, go to www.fda.gov.

rainbow
March 23rd, 2007, 02:15 AM
YAY for Dickie. :highfive:

Cram
March 23rd, 2007, 10:18 AM
I don't know if they count, but Orijen (and Acana) doesn't make any canned foods and produces their own dry foods, so they aren't included either (for those people just looking for a pet food brand that isn't associated with Menu in any way). Plus they are Canadian, so for all of us Canadians, it's nice to support local business :) We're going to try out the grain free puppy food this weekend for Helix.

mafiaprincess
March 23rd, 2007, 10:43 AM
Thank you for pointing that out... Cider likes the Orijen.. guess I should buy more...

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 11:05 AM
Just in case people didn't see this thread: http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=38148
:sad:

RolandsMom
March 23rd, 2007, 11:12 AM
what i notice in all the responses from the companies is the huge defensiveness about superiour quality control and blah blah, but the fact is that even with the superiour quality control, something bad got in there. so take some responsibility. own it. do they do regular lab tests for toxins? i doubt it. its great that its all produced in clean approved areas but the fact still remains: it doesnt necessarily mean that they are not getting quality food its just that it got contaminated and wasnt caught. so i guess that their quality control is not so superior. i understand that these things can happen without knowledge, by accident, unintentionally by people who are not aware of toxins that may be present, but you know, its happened, dont try to deny it. Apologise and start immidiate actions to remedy the problem. dont wait to see if anyone will notice.
my biggest issue is that these companies are appearing reluctant to take any kind of responsibility.
Okay, i think im done. hope that comes across as i mean it to.

Smiley14
March 23rd, 2007, 03:46 PM
Has anyone heard anything about Purina kitten chow?? Yes, I know it's crap and yes, I hate feeding it to Billy, but it's the ONLY food he will eat right now. I have a terminally ill kitty on my hands who is extremely skinny and will not tolerate anything else. For those that don't remember, I have tried raw, homemade cat food, baby food, and over 30 brands of dry and wet cat foods ranging from crappy commercial foods to good quality holistic, and he won't touch any of them except the dry Purina Kitten Chow. I am almost out of my current bag and am afraid to buy more, but I have to buy him something this weekend and it's the only thing I've been able to successfully get him to eat. If I can't feed him the Purina anymore, the next step is syringe feeding, which I really do not want to do until absolutely necessary.

Also, what about Nature's Variety? I see it's suddenly on the "Menu" list?? :mad: I use their raw medallions as a supplemental raw for Petey. Are these something I need to be leery of now too? Other than that, he's on the half Innova and half TO, so I'm not too concerned about his kibble right now. But I am concerned about suddenly seeing Nature's Variety on the list and have heard nothing about Purina. Has anyone by chance seen or heard anything for either of these?

RolandsMom
March 23rd, 2007, 04:13 PM
smiley maybe you should only try to feed him wet food? will he eat it? if hes so skinny maybe the vet will be able to tell you some high calorie food to try. whats in the kibble? maybe if you have a look at the first meat ingridients and try give him some of that he will eat it? maybe some cooked rice and tuna or chicken? (Roland loved that) oh and pilchards in water on their own or in the rice. very high in protein and my other cats used to love that stuff!!!

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 04:16 PM
Smiley, this is an email Purina sent out a couple days ago:

Canadian Purina pet food NOT impacted by Menu Foods recall
Dear Valued Pet Priority Member,

Throughout the past few days there has been a great deal of media coverage regarding the Menu Foods Income Trust product recall of wet dog and wet cat food. We are very sympathetic to the concern and would like to clarify with our valued Pet Priority members that Purina products in Canada are not impacted by the Menu Foods recall.

Ensuring the safety and quality of Purina pet foods is our priority. As this recall relates to wet pet foods, please be assured that you can continue to feed Purina wet dog and wet cat food, including Fancy Feast®, Friskies®, Pro Plan®, Purina Veterinary Diet® wet cat foods, and Beneful®, Purina Veterinary Diet® wet dog foods. We also wish to assure you that Purina® brand dry dog and cat food products can continue to be fed with the utmost of confidence.

As a precautionary measure in the United States, Nestlé Purina PetCare Company has voluntarily withdrawn its 5.3-ounce Mighty Dog® brand pouch products. Please note that the Mighty Dog® brand is not available in Canada. For a complete list of recalled products, click here (http://www.menufoods.com/recall/).

To learn more about the Purina® pet food brands available in Canada, please visit www.purina.ca. If you have any questions about Canadian Purina products, please call Consumer Relations at 1.800.268.5345.

Thank you for your continued support and confidence in Purina products.

Smiley14
March 23rd, 2007, 04:23 PM
Smiley, this is an email Purina sent out a couple days ago:

Thanks Prin!!! So is the Canadian Purina the same as what I would buy here in the US then? If so, I am much relieved.

Roland's Mom, unfortunately, he won't eat wet at all. He never has liked it, even when he was healthy. He won't eat rice, chicken, tuna, etc either. I've tried it all over the past several months. :sad: He has always been finicky, but now it's extreme. Silly cat! :rolleyes: There is record though of other lymphoma kitty's only tolerating kitten chow too. We don't know why. So I've tried other better quality kitten foods, but he won't touch those either, only the Purina. No idea why! I supplement with taurine then as well. Once he stops eating the Purina, I'll have to start syringe feeding. I'm dreading that! Anyway, sorry for going off topic!

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 04:26 PM
Here's an American version of it:
http://www.purina.com/company/press/2007/MightyDog.aspx

RolandsMom
March 23rd, 2007, 04:36 PM
poor baby. :goodvibes: :grouphug: :cat: well im glad that you can still buy what he likes then.

Smiley14
March 23rd, 2007, 04:38 PM
Here's an American version of it:
http://www.purina.com/company/press/2007/MightyDog.aspx

Thanks Prin! They haven't been on the recall list at all, but then I saw Erykah's comment at the beginning of this thread and got scared. It's still a little nerve wracking though.

Now I just have to figure out the Nature's Variety. They are not on the list either, but are included in this thread as being on the list? I can't find anything so far in google.

ETA: Oh, just found this. I'm so dumb, I was searching by Nature's Valley, not Nature's Variety. Duh! Sorry, lack of sleep this week. :o

http://www.naturesvariety.com/news.lasso

03-19-2007
Our Canned Diets

Nature’s Variety is passionate about the safety and quality of our pet diets and treats. Like you, we want to provide the highest quality nutrition for your beloved companion. Please be assured that the recent national pet food recall does not include any Nature’s Variety products. Our Prairie canned products – and all of our diets – are safe for your pet to enjoy. We extend our sympathies to the families who were affected by this unfortunate situation.

Smiley14
March 23rd, 2007, 04:40 PM
poor baby. :goodvibes: :grouphug: :cat: well im glad that you can still buy what he likes then.

Me too!!! This is all so awful and scary. Thanks for the hugs! :grouphug:

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 04:42 PM
Some of Nature's Variety's foods are made by Menu Foods. They haven't been recalled, and I'm not sure we know if they were made at the same plants as the recalled foods were either... :o

Smiley14
March 23rd, 2007, 04:48 PM
Found this ingredient list for the Nature's Variety raw venison medallions, but I don't know how it relates to the recall. It's grain free, so should be ok?? Petey loves these, but if there's any chance of cross contamination or anything like that, I should cut them out.

95% Meat, 5% fruits & vegetables
Grain-free
Made with human grade ingredients
Antibiotic-free, hormone-free venison and lamb
Venison imported from New Zealand
Complete and balanced for all life stages

Fresh & Healthy Ingredients
Venison, Lamb Liver, Lamb Hearts, Ground Lamb Bone, Apples, Carrots, Pumpkinseeds, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseeds, Chicken Eggs, Montmorillonite Clay, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Kelp, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Inulin, Rosemary Extract, Sage, Clove, Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 04:53 PM
I just don't know. :o I think you should email them and ask really specific questions..:o

wmarcello
March 23rd, 2007, 05:09 PM
Any chance the original post in this thread be continually edited to keep track of the safe/unsafe foods? That way we could have a list that we could quickly reference at a glance.

Prin
March 23rd, 2007, 05:14 PM
Techno would have to do it...:o

mafiaprincess
March 23rd, 2007, 06:41 PM
So the news is talking about how they are now looking into the fact that this contaminated wheat supply may have made it into the human food supply....