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Why!!!!!!! I just want to understand:not start a problem..

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 06:17 PM
I dont know if this thread will be acceptable,if it is not, i am sorry..But like mentioned before i am very curious as to why if you have a problem where your pets very well could be seriuosly ill,why would you not call your vet or go in to vet??I am not talking about minor problems,i mean not eating,gooey eyes,blood in poop,eyes not open,etc...This area is for rants so i hope this is an acceptable rant ..I do not want to get in trouble ,because i honestly could not live without this forum.....:shrug:

~michelle~
March 14th, 2007, 06:21 PM
heidi i think this rant is perfectly ok (i think we had a simular one a while ago) unfortunately many people dont want to waste money on "just an animal".:mad: out society does not encourage pets to be a part of your family but a play thing for the kids and a thing of status

Prin
March 14th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I just think that because of the old "ask the vet" section, people find this site and think it's a good alternative to a vet. It's sad, but there are so many people whose animals aren't a top priority. :sad:

erykah1310
March 14th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I think a main reason that people dont bring their pets in to the vet when there is a problem is the money. Its a poor excuse if you ask me :shrug: you took on responsibility of the pet, FOR LIFE. There fore one should be ready for "emergency" or minor medical problems to arise. It happens to the best of them ( pets that is)
I dont always run into the vet with every little problem, by all means Iwould be living in a cardboard box if I did that:D But the way Isee it, if I have to rush on the internet to seek out what is wrong with my dogs/cats/rabbits, they prolly should be on their way to the vet,while i was dialing up. :shrug:
If my car didnt work, or I had no gas, or my road was closed... ect. I would find a way, even if it meant hitch hiking with them.
I guess some people dont value their pets as much as others:shrug:

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Me and my boyfriend always discuss that,how people get a pet and when they are done or move or the pet gets sick,it is now a disposable creature.But i guess you r right,it is just a plaything for some people and it really just p***** me off...........I would do anything for roxy,i could not imagine watching goop come out of her eyes,or blood in her poop,anything that woudl cause her pain or discomfort,she is everything to me,there is not one inanimate object in this world that brings me as much happiness as her(all material non living things you know)

~michelle~
March 14th, 2007, 06:56 PM
i think people also have trouble grasping how sick an animal can be because they dont show signs of pain as much as humans do

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 07:05 PM
I was watching animal heros phoenix last night and was thinking about that,the pain that an animal will endure and you wouldnt even know it by lookin at their waggin tail and such..And yeah there have been a couple of things roxy has done that worried me, not enough to bring her to vet or even ask here,but when it gets to blood and not eating and such i mean that would be enough for me to bring her in.,Ans yes believe me i understand the $$ thing,but that is exactly it you CHOOSE to bring a pet into your home it is your responsibility to care for it,.I have managed to get all credit cards paid off,and to leave 2 open for roxy's care,because god forbid something serious ever did come up i took her in and i owe that to her as everyone who has a pet does.

erykah1310
March 14th, 2007, 07:09 PM
I set up my prepaid credit card thing with a good deal of money for emergency vet care, gave the number to my vet so that if I am out of town and who ever is caring for my pets feels they need to be taken in, its paid for.:shrug:
Because of Puppys health problems from day one of him coming to live here, I opened another savings account and I put money in it for him, you just never know what time can bring financially so I feel its always good to have a "plan"

But thats just me:shrug:

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I dont even have a back up plan for myself,and long gone are the days of shopping,which now i dont even care about buying myself things,it is all about watching her play w/whatever it might be,which i have realized there is only one toy that i have payed for that she likes,a stick w. a feather on the end,otherwise that that it is boxes and bags.I am getting her this 6 foot condo,because as she gets older i see she loves being in high places and sitting on the window panes so she can look outside.Seeing her happy is now what makes me happy,not buying clothes or whatever.....

Winston
March 14th, 2007, 07:31 PM
Heidiho! I just want to say you are a very caring person! We cannot change the world overnight but with more people like you things will improve! Its all in education I'm afraid! we can only help those we can help and be happy with that! because as we all know on this forum there are soooo many to be helped! I did want to say that I have 2 cats & it was the best thing I ever did because they keep each other company and besides 2 are even more comical to watch.!!..Thanks for caring so much!

~michelle~
March 14th, 2007, 07:34 PM
well chris and I are broke, have horrible creit but we're trying to fix it so we can have a back up plan fot the dogs. there have been many times we have gone without all the $$ we need to pay for something for the dogs. chris and i get so happy just knowing the dogs and cats are healthy and happy.they bring so much joy to our lives we try to do the best for them.

Frenchy
March 14th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Good rant Heidiho ! :thumbs up I can understand someone not having the money (I understand, but still think they should do EVERYTHING to find the money) but calling a vet cost $0.00 !!! I know my vet's number by heart, and I should be calling soon because they are probably worrying about me, not having been there for 3 weeks :p

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 07:47 PM
That was very sweet,thankyou,mark came outside w/me when i fed my buddies yesterday and out of no where he said I think what you did for her was a very beautiful thing to do.Totally caught me off guard and made me feel sooo good,by the way her paw is healed and she is walking on it again.So thanks again,having roxy and taking care of these cats outside has just really opened my eyes to alot,i dont remember Phoenix having this bad of a feral problem,and yes mark even tells me i need to try and not get to attached because there is only so much i can do,but it is hard if you have seen the pics of where i live our property is not very widespread so i have to see these cats everyday,it cannot be avoided,and it is just to much sometimes,lile those kids messing w/them i just wanted to choke them cause they wouldnt listen.........

Quins-mum
March 14th, 2007, 07:57 PM
I so agree with you Heidiho. I read some threads, and I think...."you know that your pet has to go to the vet, why the hell are you wasting time?"

I take my babies to the vet, then post a thread to see if anybody has any ideas, opinions or first hand experience on the vets diagnosis.

So dont worry Heidiho....I totally know where you are coming from.
And as for ppl not going to the vet with things like gooey eyes, blood in poop etc, all I can say is "why the hell do you have an animal if you cant take care of it!!!".... better stop coz Im getting angry now!

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 08:11 PM
I just love it here,you know my boyfriends passion is his art,and i never found my nitch like that,and the only thing that i truly can say i feel total passion for are animals.And it really does get me to a state of being so upset and mad that i want to scream,and what truly aggravates me is i CANT fix all the problems,when i see these ads w/ these animals in shelters and i have to stop myself from thinking about how they are all in there at night wondering why the hell i am here.,sound crazy,maybe,but it does get to me ,and the fact that myself alone cannot solve it all stinks......How do you overcome that and not feel bad??????????

lt_danish
March 14th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Awesome rant! I would take my dog to the vet sooner than I would take myself. And since I don't have kids she is my only baby. I would probably post the issue on the forum after calling my vet, or once I got home from my vet visit just for second opinions. As I deal with ill people on a daily basis any odd oozy, gooey, bloody, pussy something coming from somewhere it shouldn't need attention asap. I would think the same for any animal.

Only 4 more weeks until I finish university, then the 'dog fund' bank account can start growing a bit bigger for emergencies. Its been a bit tight as of late, but I managed to sell a bunch of things around my house I didn't use online to have extra in the bank for her just in case.

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 09:13 PM
I know huh! We eat hamburger helper so she can eat Solid Gold(she hated Wellness) and we have no kids either and at this point dont think i want any,so she is our world,and even with kid she would be our world..I do believe some of these people just cannot be that ignorant to not know,like you said,ooey,gooey,bloody & pussy that their pet needs medical help,just like the ones you see on animal rescue,dogs leg is twisted,cant walk,and yet they didnt have the $$$ and the dog didnt look like it was in pain,HEY PEOPLE!NEWS ALERT: THEY NEVER DO.......................They are alot more tuff then we humans are w/showing pain.......

jessi76
March 14th, 2007, 09:24 PM
good rant!

I read some of the posts and just shake my head and wonder where exactly the COMMON SENSE went.... seriously, the dog/cat is vomiting, has diahrrea, won't eat, won't drink, is covered in sores, is limping, and someone's first idea is to log onto a website? to take the time to register to post a question? seriously?

common sense should kick in BEFORE then... open the big yellow book full of phone numbers, find VET, call one!

when my dog got hit by the car, my fiance instinctively called me at work... my exact response... "hello? VET! NOW!" I hung up and drove like heck to meet him there. COMMON SENSE. he has since learned his lesson, vet first, call me second.

should be the same here, vet first, post second.

heidiho
March 14th, 2007, 09:29 PM
That is it perfectly,you are taking the time to get on your computer start a profile,write the problem to PEOPLE YOU HAVE NEVER MET.Instead of calling your vet,i really do not understand this thought process at all.......And how do even know if these people in cyberspace have a clue......Not saying they dont,but i would never get online try to find a pet website for a serious illness my animal might have.......

dragon_queen
March 14th, 2007, 11:50 PM
I take my dragons to the vet as soon as i notice a problem but for myself i almost have to be dying before i go to a doctor. I think it's the "if i ignore it it will go away/ get better" hope that all of us have. We don't want to face the chance that we will get bad news.

Sadly we had to put my dog down a few years ago, He had cancer in his mouth. We knew it had to be done. He was 16 and had just had surgery for it a few months before but it came back fast. Did I want to take him??? NO, NO NO. I wanted him better. I'll take him tommorrow if he's not good.... He's eating today maybe tomorrow...
I still miss my Lucky ( he was named that because he was lucky to be rescued by someone else as a pup from the side of the road)

So my opinion is that, for some, The thought of our very loved family member being taken away from us is just too much.


Dq

Maya
March 15th, 2007, 12:17 AM
I think it can also be that some people are just not very self aware. Like if they are a "total slob" not that you are a bad person if you are but i mean if you just don't have much awareness going on or if no one ever showed you any care you might not know how to care.:shrug: Its sad but a lot of people never learn how to even care for themselves and then if they have a pet its even further removed, if that makes any sense. Of course there is always that human stupidity factor, I think most people are fairly self involved and just aren't thinking.

CyberKitten
March 15th, 2007, 12:21 AM
I can understand people posting here about minor issues - tho sometimes esp with cats (who instinctively hide their injuries or pain - so that others don't notice it, a century old habit based on life in the world for fragile creatures who need to evade larger ones), it is also difficult to determine what is minor and what's major. (Same is true for humans too for that matter tho I think we are at least able to use common sense there. Granted, i have to ask myself about common sense re some parents and their children but that is a whole other issue. A friend and I have an article in a medical journal this month about childhood lifestyles and I think to these lobby groups urging govt to allow their under 16 aged children to drive ATV's and so forth, there is no common sense there.)

Anyway - sorry to digress. My point is I have consistently considered this section a place where people can post questions of observations re medical issues they may be experiencing with their pet(s) but that they are seeking info either for some medical problem they already know about or are already working with a vet and want to know how others coped with it - what kind of treatment plans did their vet suggest, what happened and so forth or what they could expect of certain procedures if it new to them before they bring their beloved furball to the vet.

It does state very clearly that it is NOT a place for anyone to diagnose problems. Unless we are vets - and99% of us are not - none of us can do that and even if we are, it is literally impossible to diagnose anything online without a proper examination. There are books and other online sites where humans can go to read about what symptoms could mean but even they are NEVER meant to be taken seriously without seeing one's family physician and I do think that most of us always put our children and pets ahead of us in terms of medical care - at least here vis a vis pets (tho our society is not as child friendly as it could be either imho!) and so it upsets us to see someone think they can actually get alternate vet care here.

I myself have replied to some who pose questions here and then wonder if that pet will actually be cared for but then think, "well maybe, if they did listen to what we said, it might help." In other words, one can hope. I just think we need to be polite and respectful about it - even if we think the person is a complete you know know what. I have never seen a need to so nasty (and there was thread I read last night that sent me to bed because one post in it was so snarky that I was surprised it was still there. I even wrote a reply and then thought - what's the point, if the individual is that nasty and uses sarcasm, I am wasting my time!!).

It IS frustrating to see so many people who act like this and these are the ones who actually sought out a web site about pets. Think of the ones who do not even bother to do that!!! I always hope that if they made that first step to at least seek out info, they just might give more thought and consideration to taking their pet to a vet. We won't persuade all of them but even a few is a start!!

My point - and I do have one, lol - is that while it can make us frustrated, even angry and more - we may from time to time have actually managed to get through to a few of those who post those kind of questions. Hopefully!!! I have however felt frustrated and with some of the posts, am absolutely certain their pets will not see any vet. I just continue to hope we can help some by emphasizing their need to take their pets to a vet!

breeze
March 15th, 2007, 12:22 AM
I know that in todays world people have to know more than vets, docotors, ect.. so they will know what to expect when going there, alot of people want reasurance that they are doing the right thing, or are they over reacting. common sense seems to leave people in time of stress or worry.

CyberKitten
March 15th, 2007, 12:35 AM
common sense seems to leave people in time of stress or worry

Sorry but I have to disagree with that. I deliver news to and see people on a daily basis who face the worst news - that their child or they (if they rae the child or teenager) has cancer or HIV or aplastic anemia or some other awful illness and the vast majority have wonderful common sense. Yes, they are very worried and scared and afraid of the future and the unknown. However, they tend to keep their wits about them - even as they react to the diagnosis or come in to discuss a new protocol or some adverse reaction or the endless plethora of issues that come up. Everyone reacts in different ways - but while there are some who fail to use common sense, they are the certainly in the minority. Many amaze me and give me hope about the world we live in!!

mummummum
March 15th, 2007, 07:35 AM
And let's not forget the Trolls ~ one-off posters who start a "EMERGENCY-NEED HELP!" thread with some horrible problem which clearly cannot be answered by anyone but a Vet and/or requires immediate treatment solely for the purpose of getting a reaction. And are never heard from again.

I also think that new members who may have read over some threads before joining may have developed a false impression of what members are willing or able to provide in the way of an expert opinion. There are members who have openly described themselves as having a medical background/ profession. This may lead some new members to believe that those "medical professionals" will, when posed with a dire health problem, provide an expert opinion, when in fact they cannot or will not.

CyberKitten
March 15th, 2007, 06:41 PM
No one - medical professional (ie a vet!), experienced cat or dog or rabbit person - can provide advice on a medical issue online. It's impossible and I think people who do post such questions are usually looking for a cheap way out - they do not want to go to the vet and are hoping someone has some "remedy" that will work. I can see questions like that for some minor issue for which you are already doing something BUT not when your pet is bleeding somewhere and you are wondering for some fast solution. There is only one solution there - a vet!!!!

I think it frustrates us because my guess is if we did a poll here, the vast majority of us are the ones who bring our furbabies on regular vet visits, keep up with vaccinations when they are babies, make the appt to spay and neuter our pets almost before the pet is in our home, have the vet on speed dial if we see the least little thing and find the best specialist if our pet becomes seriously ill. So we find it hard to comprehend anyone who assumes they will find a solution by asking a question here. And we say the same thing over and over again - it is alsmot like that horrible movie (Groung Hog Day) - bring your animal to a vet!! And most of the time, we never hear from them again!

heidiho
March 15th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Yep,that is why alot of the times i wont post a response until i see that person has stuck around here for awhile and isnt a troll or whatever,unless it is something just so out there that i cant believe what i am reading which can lead to trouble so i have tried to stop that to...

Tommysmom
March 15th, 2007, 06:50 PM
As someone who currently owns a $10,000 JRT, I totally agree with everybody's frustration here... and yep, that's the amount of money I've spent in my pup's lifetime on vet/emergency clinic/specialist bills. Did I mention he's only 6 months old? (Please, don't anybody do the math and tell me how much he's gonna cost me over his lifetime if this doesn't stop, LOL!).

It's not like I happened to have a spare few grand lying around and just didn't know what to do with it, but things happen and my pup was sick so I did what I had to do. That kind of money is extreme, and I know not everybody is in a position to spend that kind of dough, but the vet is ALWAYS my first phone call. Always. You guys are my second place to go for advice, for support or alternative ideas that the vet might not have thought of or anything else I might be able to do to support the vet treatment. You are all amazing, and I adore this board, but you're still second to the vet since you don't happen to be sitting in my living room looking at my puppy and his symptoms.

I've learned so much about doggy health with everything that Tommy's been going through, and it's just so darn frustrating watching somebody log on here to ask about something that even a newbie like me knows is an emergency. The only thing more frustrating is the fact that they never come back to tell us what happened, I always wonder if the poor little pups are ok or not.

heidiho
March 15th, 2007, 07:07 PM
Wow,now that would be crazy i dont know how i could come up w/ $10000,but i would do everything icould to get it.It is frustrating,escpecially because alot of people here take a considerable amount of time to give advice,and the person will start a thread and never respond...

Tommysmom
March 15th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Yeah, the money's crazy... but it doesn't have to be that way. We were in a position to afford all the tests the vet recommended, although now we certainly wouldn't be! But even without that, I still would have had Tommy at the vet's office, I still would have been calling the vet... I might have had to cut out some of the tests, but he'd still have his little puppy butt sitting on that cold steel table at the doc's office! Everybody here does the same thing, whether it's one dog or three or four or more, pets or fosters or ferals or strays. We've all gone without something because it was a rather inconvenient time for the pet to be ill and the vet got the rent money, the grocery money, the new shoes money, whatever. I'm almost broke now, but Tommy's still going to see the vet on Monday. I would never expect anybody to go the lengths I've had to go, but really, lots of the posts here would probably require no more than the cost of the visit and some antibiotics/creams/whatever.

heidiho
March 15th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Yeah you are right,for the most part the things i read here are not un affordable and it just baffles the mind how you would go to the internet instead of calling your vet,and my favorite is "Well there is only one vet and they are 50 miles away".I mean that is just crazy to me,ahhhhh!!!! drives me nuts

t.pettet
March 15th, 2007, 11:48 PM
I think it all comes down to ignorance on the part of the pet's owner, not comprehending the seriousness of the symptons because they are not sufficiently educated in even basic pet diseases/illnesses and also wanting to save a buck and hoping the illness goes away on its own.

erykah1310
March 16th, 2007, 10:22 AM
Yeah you are right,for the most part the things i read here are not un affordable and it just baffles the mind how you would go to the internet instead of calling your vet,and my favorite is "Well there is only one vet and they are 50 miles away".I mean that is just crazy to me,ahhhhh!!!! drives me nuts

in my situation there is only one vet and it is approx. 50 miles away. That doesnt mean diddly to me. If there was a problem, my car can easily drive 50 miles.:shrug:

As t.pettet said though. wanting to save a buck and hoping the illness goes away on its own. is probably another "good" reason that people dont go.

badger
March 16th, 2007, 11:07 AM
Think of all the people who don't come here, whose conscience isn't pricking, when their pets are suffering.
People are reluctant to spend money on things that, for them, have no status. It's always the vet-averse who yammer on about 'letting nature take its course'.
Has anyone noticed that Heidi has become a SERIOUS CAT PERSON! Yay!

heidiho
March 16th, 2007, 03:22 PM
:laughing: :laughing: To funny,i really have though,i still want a dog someday, i just have learned so much from Roxy,just watching,studying her and the strays outside,and the hard life ferals have to live,basically like watching how the lions live when you see on discovery channel or whatever.It is hard life for them.And you know i also love how unlike with a dog you can call them to come to you all you want but until THEY want to it is not gonna happen,last night i was in bed and i was calling her and calling her ,she just would not come and what i think is the coolest is she was right under the bed just sitting there,they are so independant i love it.Even if she is two feet away and i call her the way she will just sit there and look at me like "whatever" is just the best.To own a cat (in my opinion) you need to be someone who isnt to needy and can handle owning a pet who is so i dont know umm un needy in that sense.....