March 5th, 2007, 01:40 PM
The Over Taxed Canadian
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
To my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Taxes We Pay.......
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Goods and Serv ice Tax
Hunting License Tax
Income Interest Charges Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Marriage License Tax
Provincial Income Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
March 5th, 2007, 04:14 PM
March 5th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Medicare happened. :shrug: I wouldn't trade it for no taxes. :o
March 5th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Jebus. That's a lot of taxes when you list them on the same page....:eek:
But, like Prin said, I'm way happy that we have health care!! Amen to that!
March 5th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Do not forget the waste water tax. Here in Sudbury for 2 months I used 27.62 in water. 27.15 Water fixed charge, waste water 63.00 Total for 2 months $177.77. Now that just sucks.:frustrated: :yell:
March 6th, 2007, 02:45 AM
My mom, whose "hobby" is income Tax (I know, I wonder about her on occasion too but I am glad she is into it come tax time, lol - she does my brothers' taxes and he made the highest mark in his accounting class and is a CA, hehheh) - I am quite sure he does not share this with his friends or kids he teaches accounting to however, lol
Anyway- she would tell you in her many lectures that income tax was brought in for the war effort to help during the first world war. Of course, other things were found for it to utilize and it grew accordingly but compared to some western countries, our taxes are not that bad, We pay less per capita for health care than does the US - amazingly - and they have 40 million without health insurance! - and while many states and counties have no taxes, depending on where you live in the US - there are many services they have to pay for which ur taxes cover. Canada without the taxes we have now would mean no Medicare - and while I know our health system has its problems, a friend of mine is fighting breast cancer in the US and was happy her deductible was "only" $2,000. I would pay the $2,000 and gladly but I am happier that I do not have to worry about that. It is enough to worry about illnesses without how one will pay for it.
Neither would as many students be obtaining higher education. I am prob not the best example since I went to the US for medical school but I had a scholarship. At least I saved on the undergraduate degree tho - which in the US would have cost me $12,000 for tuition when I paid $4,000 - never mind housing costs, meals, books, etc,etc. Our govt pays $40,000 a year for every grad student we have. In the US, they have private universities so unless one has a great scholarship or fellowship or is independently wealthy, it is costly. There are a few good state schools granted but even they cost twice as much as what ours do.
If we paid as many taxes as some European countries, we could do our undergraduate degree for free. This is the case in Ireland tho they have a rather good tax system - especially for small business and artists and writers there pay NO tax! (and they also have a GST type tax but the price you see on the shelf is what you pay at the cashier - I rather like that, wish we would do it here.)
In many states, the counties - who tend to have more power (One county where my folks live charges 1 cent more for taxes) than our counties do (depending on the prov of course)- bond issues are held so that people vote on whether they want to pay for certain items. That in theory sounds good but whoever can pay for ht best ad campaign usually wins. (Not always but most of the time).
NH has no sales tax which I kind of like - you see all these Mass and Maine cars in the NH shopping malls, lol - but then again, if you want to do to Dartmouth College, be prepared to pay $40,000 a year. (My nephew just graduated from univ in Vt and it was $28,000 just for tuition - tho I love VT, I find that a lot of money!!)
There are value added taxes and income taxes and not all are alike. It is an open question and debate which is better. I do kind of like the Irish system to be honest - free univ tuition and the taxation is about the same and there is public health care with the option for private health care. And I'd love to live there as a writer, lol
I do think there are some things the govt could spend less on but every govt in the world - and I have dealt with some of the most corrupt and thank God I live where I do! - and our system is essentially a good one. Sure, I'd love to pay fewer taxes but I like to see my tax money at work when I see children whose parents are both unemployed and their child with cancer will live because they do not have to be concerned with how they are going to pay for his or her treatment. (I have actually seen an ambulance come to pick someone up in Fla and turn back when they found out he did not have insurance and this was a 911 call! The neighbours - inc my prents- got together and brought him to a hospital - I would never have believed that if I had not been there!)
I drink rarely and never smoke so if they want to tax that - and they should up those taxes imho (sin taxes, lol) and reduce some of the ones on say, children's' clothing. I actually think there are some positive benefits to the GST, mostly in the manufacturing sector which has generated job creation but it is always though to explain the nuances of that so I gave up a long time ago. For me, it seems to work out the same either way except before the GST,there was a regressive 13.5% Manufacturers' Sales Tax and Federal Telecommunications Tax of 11%., both of which impacted many of our products - I am happy to pay a phone bill that is not as much as it was before. 9Tho yes, dereg is something to do with this too!) The prob is tho (and I am no economist but,,lol) that the GST barely covers the transfer payments to the provinces. Property taxes- which are administered municipally and collected provincially in some provinces account for 10 % and income taxes account for the remainder. And unlike many countries - most western ones actually - we have no inheritance tax, thank Gawd!
Here are the comparisons which always interest me: (Tho they leave out what services the countries provide)
2 kids Country Single
no kids Married
Single no kids Married Single Married
Australia 28.3% 16.0% Korea 17.3% 16.2%
Austria 47.4% 35.5% Luxembourg 35.3% 12.2%
Belgium 55.4% 40.3% Mexico 18.2% 18.2%
Canada 31.6% 21.5% Netherlands 38.6% 29.1%
Czech Republic 43.8% 27.1% New Zealand 20.5% 14.5%
Denmark 41.4% 29.6% Norway 37.3% 29.6%
Finland 44.6% 38.4% Poland 43.6% 42.1%
France 50.1% 41.7% Portugal 36.2% 26.6%
Germany 51.8% 35.7% Slovak Republic 38.3% 23.2%
Greece 38.8% 39.2% Spain 39.0% 33.4%
Hungary 50.5% 39.9% Sweden 47.9% 42.4%
Iceland 29.0% 11.0% Switzerland 29.5% 18.6%
Ireland 25.7% 8.1% Turkey 42.7% 42.7%
Italy 45.4% 35.2% United Kingdom 33.5% 27.1%
Japan 27.7% 24.9% United States 29.1% 11.9%
Anyway - I do no want to pay taxes on my coca cola to which I am addicted, lol (but have been doing well - whew!)
March 6th, 2007, 06:20 AM
Gaz this morning ; $1.10. :mad: (was .94 yesterday)
March 6th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Now gas is something that should be taxed less- esp in a country like Canada with so many distances!!!! Or rebates if one lives in an area where one needs to travel a lot to get to work. <g> Or we need our own version of OPEC and the proceeds shared amg the taxpayers. :)
March 6th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Medicare happened. :shrug: I wouldn't trade it for no taxes. :o
I wouldn't either. I cannot tell you the horror stories I hear about people who cannot afford to be treated for illnesses and suffer or worse yet, die. The other night I was watching that show about the Little People. I can't remember the name of the show but I love it and only catch it occasionally. In one episode their son becomes very ill because a shunt in his head needs to be repaired. They are facing surgery and 5 days of intensive care and have to worry that they are going to have a huge bill. There is no possibility of health insurance because he was born a little person which is considered a pre-existing condition.
Insurance for a family of 4 can cost around $800 a month. Then when you get ill and go over the limit covered by your policy they drop you.
March 6th, 2007, 08:32 PM
I know exactly what you mean Cooperbelle - I can recite not just that story from Fla but as you know, did my Residencies and med school in the US - and one lof the better states for insurance (Mass) - and it is like OMG!! Just the comment by a friend sighing relief that her deductible for breast cancer surgery was "only $2,000" Now to her that was seen as good and well in the range ahe and her family could afford tho she is a librarian and her husband runs a small business so it is her insurance. But what about the families who can't and God knows there are many of those. My friend told me of other librarians she knows (at other places) where they cannot afford the $500 for the deuductable for a mammogram. Here, we think nothing of getting our yearly call to come in for a mammogram - we have a program for that here. We remind women in case they forget!
As a Resident in the US, I saw so many horror stories that just stunned me - and made me thankful for our system. I do think we could improve on what we have - there are some European countries who have better systems - we are not the best (I think we rate no. 14 or something like that in the latest but I do not get why the US - who pays more for health care - and I mean in taxes - than we do- has the syetm they have. It is one of the best ion the world if you have lots of money or a super isurance company but even there - the insurance companies are dropping ppl so fast and my friend now better now get sick again because she has pretty ,much maxed out hers and hopefully she won't get sick again.)
I recall one girl from Maine (she was maybe 12 and had cancer and was all alone because her family was on social assistance and Childrens' in Boston never tuns anyone down but they'd still have to make some payment arrangement. It has been my experience that in the US, it is the Middle Class with or without insurance that are hurt the most. Insurance only covers so much - there is an upper level of course - and if you do not have insurance,well you sell your home or you you raise money. There are hospitals like St. Jude but those are hard to get into (waiting lists - and I don't mean like ours where you know if y6ou do have something severe, it WILL be treated even if you have to wait. You have to wait in Boston too!! And other US cities - I don't know why (on a personal level based on what I know and saw personally) why they keep saying oh go to the US and have that hip replaced and you won't have to wait. That is not exactly true but no-one questions them on it.
I saw people die - DIE - because they could not afford care recommended by a surgeon or a specialist. There are siome good programs operated by Churches and other associations to assist people who cannot afford medications but there are also many who do not go to a doctor because they won't pay the fee to see him or her!! I recall treating someone as a young intern (before I went into my pediatrics res) and he had an issue with his arm and I questioned him about it. "Oh that", he says, without blinking an eye. I broke my arm when I was a kid and we could afford no doctor and so it just fixed itself like that." So here he was perpetually disabled because his family could not afford to go to an ER or a doctor who could set that fracture - a process that takes hardly any time!! And it was too late now to do anything.
There are places we - as in Drs without Borders - sometimes go to do some work in the US, areas with economic hardship woes - and it is heartbreaking because some of these ppl have jobs but the jobs do not include insurance as a benefit.
So heck yeah, if I have to pay taxes for health care, that is fine by me. What societies who do not have public insurance do not realize is that in the end, it costs the society more - because the person who has cancer or MS or some catastrophic illness - is going to end up at a county or a charity hospital and that will cost the govt more than if they would have cared for this person to start with. Same as for pre natal care and mammograms!! Preventive care saves the state a LOT of money!!!!
Anyway - I have said this over and over so that's it for now.
March 7th, 2007, 08:52 AM
Some factoids . . . .
I'm going to Italy in a few months and it appears, by my calculation, that the price of gasoline there is about $2.63 CDN per litre . . . . . . obviously far higher taxes on that commodity there than we have here.
Theoretically, significantly higher taxes on gasoline should discourage use . . . . but Italian roads are jammed.
The top 10% of Canadians pay 52% of Federal personal income taxes according to a 2002 Stats Can study. The number is similar in the USA.
Opponents of that conclusion would point out that 32% of Canadian tax filers actually pay no tax at all, which might impact the above number. The average income of the top 10% is $140,000 (2002).
If I'm not mistaken, 80% of personal federal taxes collected in Canada are paid by only 20% of Canadians.
Seventy percent of Federal income comes from taxation. Taxation on individuals accounts for about 40% of federal revenues. In 1913, it was over 90%.
In 2000 in Canada, families with incomes in the top 30 percent (those earning $63,209 or more) earned 59.4 percent of total income but paid 65.7 percent of all taxes. Families in the lowest three deciles, on the other hand, earned 8.1 percent of all income but paid 4.3 percent of all taxes. (Fraser Institute).
March 7th, 2007, 04:44 PM
Opponents of that conclusion would point out that 32% of Canadian tax filers actually pay no tax at all, which might impact the above number.But you have to make, what, less thank $13000 a year to not pay taxes? I hardly think the people who make up the 32% are thrilled with that.
Hey, I'm not paying any income tax this year. Woo!! I'm also not eating very much either. Woo!! :rolleyes:
It goes with that whole "rich getting richer while the poor are getting poorer" divide. If we barely have any income at the bottom, and the middle is almost non-existant, than who do you think will have to pay? :shrug:
As for gas, when I was in Europe, the gas was much more expensive than here, but the cars were also generally much smaller. That's the trend in Canada too. Quebecers on average have much smaller cars than Albertans do, probably because of the 30 cents more we pay for gas than Albertans do. We're at $1.10 right now. What are you paying, Rick?
March 7th, 2007, 08:47 PM
I paid $1.02 this morning - can't really complain tho I do want a Smart Car - they are flying off the lots at O'Regan's, a family I have come to know thru their work (at fndraising for our hospital) who own a Chrysler dealeership. I am seriously thinking of buying one just to zip around the city. It would never - unlike the Durango - stop a moose and keep the coke from spilling as happened a coiple yrs ago - but it might go UNDER said moose, lol
I am in that 10% who pays more taxes if one agrees with the Fraser Institute but there are other figures and it aklso in how you present those stats. But it doesn;t matter to me,. I do wish that given that, the govt would at least not tax capial gains so much!! They keep promising....
A few yrs ago when my brothetr got married, I gave him a downpayment on a home as a wedding present. Tio pay for this, I decided to seell some shares. Well - I was forunate in finding a capital loss (the sale of a house at less than market value - it was one of these bldgs I would have given away, I was sick of it, lol)- but the amusing thing was I was still negotiating with Revenue Canada or whatever they called themslves that year and my brother's marriage had ended and he'd sold the house to buy a smaller one, lol But they wonder why ppl want to invest in US companies, and then they tax the heck out of capital gains. Makes one wonder!!
Still, while I am not keen on taxes - and I doubt anyone will ever saty they "like" taxes (esp when they are spent on silly soponsoshiip scandals - the obit in my hometown newspaper had Chuck Guité;s mothers listed a ew weeks ago (thinking of money well spent, not her death but him!!!) and it reminded me of that nonsense. As of a federally funded badly designed ad campaign will convince the true believers in the seperatist cause to stay in Canada.) - I do not mind paying for such entities as education, health care and social services tho all three are provincial domains and the federal govt is always cutting back on the money it gives to the provinces.
Anyway - that's it for now. I don't want to think how much I have to pay. Enough to keep several families going but that's OK. Even my parents have to pay taxes and they no longwer work - and now they have taxes in the US to pay too!! (Florida loves Canadians - they get so much of our tourism and tax money, lol) and I feel no resentment toward the 32% who pay none - they are prob having a hard enough time just to get by. I honestly wonder how some families manage - school supplies, clothing that hAS to be the brand name or nothing, MP3 players and other tech toys, it's all expensive!!!
The issue is tho - that the Fraser Institute leaves out - is that these families DO pay consumption taxes which in the end are often more per capita of their budget than income taxes would be. By that, I mean they pay the GST on anything they purchase- and even tho they get some rebates, the rebates are a small percentage of what they paid for when they ate out, bought groceries and other essentials. It is not as if they are in the Caymens, working on their tan - tho I do wonder where the aforementioned M. Guité is. :frustrated: