February 26th, 2007, 10:01 PM
I have previously owned dobermans (2) when I was younger, and my SO and myself have decided to get another. My previous dobbies were not bought from a breeder, 1 was through a rescue and the other was given from a friend of the family.
We have looked around at breeders in our area and have narrowed down the 2 breeders. Both of these breeders offer guarantees on their puppies, but they are different. One breeder offers a guarantee for dysplasia (2 years), and the other does not (just a guarantee on hereditary defects).
How common is hip dysplasia in dobbies now? We like both breeders, but are leaning a bit more towards the second one (no guarantee for dysplasia). s the first breeders offer better? please excuse my ignorance, but do dogs really get hip problems before 2 years old?
Any insight on this would really help us in making a final decision. Thank you!
February 26th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Do either of them do any testing for dysplasia or do they just "guarantee" it? A good breeder will get the hips certified.
February 26th, 2007, 10:04 PM
hip dysplasia usually shows up withing the first few year of life, alot of dogs being diagnosed around two years of age (Logan or shep husky mix was diagnosed at 10 mos though...) ask about lineage, how far back does the line go and where was there if and hip dysplagia, it is hereditary most of the time.
February 26th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Oh and beware of the guarantee- a lot of breeders will "refund" your dog (but you have to give it back) or they'll replace your dog (but you have to give it back, and you already got an idea of their genetic makeup, so trading it would only get you another dog with troubles...) but they won't actually help pay for treatments.
February 26th, 2007, 10:37 PM
i would like to know which local breeders you have narrowed it down to... can,t PM you because you are a new member so just the kennel names would be ok. :) i ask because i know the good ones, and the ones to avoid... :dog:
February 26th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Hmm... You could post the good ones, I guess, but posting the bad ones would end up being slander...:o
February 26th, 2007, 10:46 PM
i'd rather wait to see what the OP says :o
February 26th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Yeah, for sure. And by then she'll probably have pm's.:D:highfive:
February 27th, 2007, 07:07 AM
Ok, i can`t figure out how to PM you :frustrated: but my email is ********* . One of the breeders is just off the island of Montreal, and the other is about 3 hours away, near Quebec City. could you email me, and I can give you the names?
like I mentionned in my earlier post, I never went through a breeder before to get the dobbies, and even the other purebreds we had were given to us (I also had a chow chow and a toy poodle). although I have worked with several breeders for horses, i woudl assume the canine world has some *different* concerns thean the equine world when it comes to selection.
February 27th, 2007, 07:15 AM
Yeah, a quality breeder should be able to provide the paper work to show certified hips in the parents and the grandparents.
February 27th, 2007, 07:31 AM
This is the kind of heath issues that can occur is dobermans it include links t info about each, which wil help you to determine if a hereditary issue, one of the more serious ones that is occuring is Cardiomyopathy a form of congestive heart failure tat can strike even young adults, a person who I used to see at the dog park lost her young dobe to
This is a list of the common hereditary issues
February 27th, 2007, 07:45 AM
thank you! those links are quite interesting!
February 28th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Hip dysplasia is not very prevalent in Dobermans these days. You can view the stats by breed on the OFA website http://www.offa.org
Last time I looked, Dobemans were about 84th on the list of breeds affected by HD.
That said, the reason the situation is improved is due to responsible breeders having hips (and elbows) evaluated on the dogs they breed, so any breeder you're considering should have had hip and elbow x-rays taken and evaluated and be able to show you results.
A 2 year hip guarantee is not exactly credible since hips can not be definitively evaluated until the dog has reached the age of 2.
Please spend a lot of time on this resource when considering the purchase of a Doberman pinscher
(Unfortunately, there are a number of Doberman puppy mills in Quebec.) Proceed with extreme caution.
February 28th, 2007, 10:54 AM
Personally - if I was considering a dog from a breeder (of any breed) hip dsyplasia would only be one of my concerns.
First off, I want to know that both the sire and the dam meet the breed requirements put forward by the National breed club. This is done by showing the dogs to their Championship.
Then I want to know that the parents have the temperment to do the job that they were originally bred to do. This can be done by competing for performance titles.
Then I want to know what ALL of the genetic issues are with the breed and I want to know that the breeder is testing both sire and dam for those that can be tested for. And for those that can't be tested for - what are the instances of those issues occuring in the offspring of these dogs.
Please be careful if you are getting to know these breeders online. It is VERY easy for someone to lie in an e-mail.
February 28th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Dobes are ranked 113 by breed for HD and 75 for ED, 21 for congenital cardiac disease,and 24 on the thyroid stats. http://www.offa.org/hipstatbreed.html?view=1&sort=2
I would be very worried about all the other genetic issues Dobes are known for,wobbler's,vWD willebrand etc using this list:
Doberman pinscher: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 27, 35, 38, 42, 51, 53, 59, 61, 64, 68, 80, 103, 105, 121, 127, 129, 138a, 143a, 146, 147, 152, 161, 166, 170, 173, 182, 192, 199, 206a, 221, 221a, 231, 243, 245, 250, 251, 256, 266, 266a, 267, 270, 292, 304a, 312, 328, 330 (http://siriusdog.com/articles/hereditary-congenital-diseases-dog.htm)
Then look at the info on the diseases above that they are prone to here:
And all the questions to see if they are a good breeder,on top of all health screening,I would want them to be involved in rescue,alter before adoption,etc I would check up on them with rescue first,they usually know best about which breeders are good.
March 1st, 2007, 12:51 AM
I'm having a hard time with those links, LL1. :o But if the OP really wants info, they can easily go get "Control of Canine Genetic Diseases" by Padgett. Everything is in there, in detail. Amazon.ca has it... (http://www.amazon.ca/Control-Canine-Genetic-Diseases-Padgett/dp/0876050046/ref=sr_1_1/702-6289549-1462417?ie=UTF8&s=books):thumbs up
March 1st, 2007, 07:07 AM
The links worked for me. That is very interesting information. Thank you. Oh I can't wait to get a dobe! :thumbs up