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Anna Nicole Smith!!!!! DEAD!

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Wow that is just crazy and sad.......Drug overdose

chico2
February 8th, 2007, 03:05 PM
OMG,I was no fan of hers,but still that is very sad,she just had a baby and lost her other son:sad:
I guess all the money in the world does not help make you happy:sad:

Hunter's_owner
February 8th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Wow. That is crazy. Each time I seen her in the news I noticed she was going down hill fast, really falling apart. ET has been talking about her a lot since she had the baby, but I never expected it to go this far:eek:

meb999
February 8th, 2007, 03:12 PM
wow, that's so sad.....

Lukka'sma
February 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
I haven't heard any news about this , only on this forum. If it is true I feel very sorry for her surviving family. She was not a person that I gave much thought to, but to die so young is such a waste.

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:17 PM
I saw her the other night on e and thought what is she on..and mark said watch she is gonna have an ending like marilyn monroe 2 days later she did,wow i couldnt stand her either,but that is so so sad,and the baby,what a total nightmare........

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Go to cnn.com it just happend

chico2
February 8th, 2007, 03:19 PM
It is true,I heard it on the news,that poor little baby girl left without a mom:sad:

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:20 PM
Anna Nicole Smith dies after collapsing in hotel
POSTED: 4:11 p.m. EST, February 8, 2007
CNN) -- Reality TV star and former model Anna Nicole Smith was pronounced dead Thursday after being taken to a Florida hospital, a law enforcement source told CNN.

Smith, 39, collapsed at a south Florida hotel, according to news reports.

"I can confirm that she is deceased. It's as shocking to me as to you guys," Smith's attorney, Ronald Rale, told Reuters. "I don't know anything further. [Her lawyer and husband] Howard [K. Stern], obviously, is speechless and grieving."

TMZ.com had reported that Smith collapsed at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida, and was rushed to Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood just after 2 p.m. ET.

According to reports, Smith was found unresponsive in her hotel room.

Smith was involved in a paternity suit regarding the parentage of her daughter, Danielynn, as well as other disputes, including some regarding a house she stayed at in the Bahamas around the time she gave birth.

Earlier this week, Smith was included in a class-action lawsuit against a company, TrimSpa, for which she had worked as a spokesperson. TrimSpa makes a product it claims leads to substantial weight loss. The lawsuit alleges the marketing of the product, TrimSpa X32, was false or misleading.

Smith's son, Daniel Wayne Smith, died at age 20 just days after the birth of Smith's daughter. Pathologist Cyril Wecht said a lethal dose of methadone and antidepressants caused cardiac dysrhythmia, leading to his death.

Reuters contributed to this report.

papillonmama
February 8th, 2007, 03:22 PM
That is so Krazy. Poor kid and they can't agree on
who the father is. How did they find out so quick that it was a drug induced over-dose?

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:22 PM
What really is sad is her so called husband didnt step in when it was obvious what months ago, this woman had a serious drug problem,SHAME on him......

jiorji
February 8th, 2007, 03:23 PM
wow...kinda shocking....
Overdose always seems like the right ending to such fast Hollywood lives and i wouldn't be surprised if Lindsay Lohan or Paris or whoever end up like that too:shrug: :sad:

too bad for the poor orphan baby now. The custody and paternal battle won't stop i'm sure.

jiorji
February 8th, 2007, 03:24 PM
What really is sad is her so called husband didnt step in when it was obvious what months ago, this woman had a serious drug problem,SHAME on him......

yeah but what makes you think he doesn't use drugs as well?

SOme people are in such denial about these things. "i can quit if i wanted to"...but they don't because they can't, not because they don't want to.:sad:

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:25 PM
I guess they just know,well with her record they probably had a good idea.Wow it truly is so sad.And no one seemed to have helped her at all,imo.....I wasnt there but it sure seems like it

Lukka'sma
February 8th, 2007, 03:26 PM
One more thought on this. I have one son and to lose him would be the end of my life. How does one survive the death of a child.

chico2
February 8th, 2007, 03:31 PM
Lukka's mom,I agree,I believe the death of her son had a lot to do with her problems.
She put on a brave face,did not stop partying,it's a strange world they live in.

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM
I 100% agree with that.and always thought that to,how do you go on if you lose a child,i dont think i could,i know i am not that strong,she had all sorts of problems going on,but she also had a baby so i cant believe she would end her life..

jiorji
February 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM
She put on a brave face,did not stop partying,it's a strange world they live in.

i don't know......the fact that so many celebrities party and party so much after giving birth is so irresponsible. I realize that the trauma of her son might've pushed things over the edge, but there's a 5 month old child who's totally on her own now. :shrug: Is that responsible? I don't think so.:sad:

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I didnt think of that maybe he did,he just never looked hi like she did when i would see them on an interview..And be an addict myself i guess with everything she was going through i dont know if i could do it sober either,but still she had a new baby to think of to,i would think for me anyway that might have been enough to keep me going on sober,but honestly that is easy for me to say,wow i dont know......

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I totally believe it is not her husbands baby and think maybe that has something to do with this,which we dont know was it accidental or intentional...You go that fast in life and the only outcome is a bad one,.I know if i didnt ask for help i would be in the same place right now.

rainbow
February 8th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I don't think they've determined if it was accidental or intentional. Nonetheless, it is very sad.....especially for the baby. :sad:

jiorji
February 8th, 2007, 03:48 PM
yeah i don't think it's his baby either. I think she panicked because she couldn't stall anymore. But what's the big deal you know? WHy couldn't she share custody?!?! It's not that bad of a thing you know?

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 03:53 PM
I didnt understand the whole baby thing either why would she just not do the test,it is really such a sad story her whole life...The baby looks just like the real father also..What a mess.

mafiaprincess
February 8th, 2007, 04:18 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/08/anna-nicole-smith-collapses/

Joey.E.CockersMommy
February 8th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I just heard this too - and never really envied her life - she did seem pretty messed up - everytime I saw her on tv she seemed like she was pretty out of it....

still though she has been through a lot and its sad to her of her death - I would tend to believe her death would be from drugs or alchohol maybe not intentional but perhaps she took the wrong combination or too much or something. That is sad about her baby too - who is going to take responsibility for her. :sad:

:rip: Anna Nicole :angel:

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
February 8th, 2007, 05:27 PM
May she rest in peace.

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 05:30 PM
At least she is with her son now...Crazy mother and son both dying from overdose...:rip: :pray: :candle: :candle:

Byrd
February 8th, 2007, 05:37 PM
OMG!!!! :eek:

When did she and Howard get married?

I used to watch her show for a good laugh (and I do a great impersonation), there was chemistry between the two, but I thought with her other lawsuit (her step kids) she wasn't allowed to get remarried until it was overwith.

I hope they figure out soon who that poor baby girl's daddy is.

:rip:

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Legally i dont think they are married i think they had a civil ceremony or something to show their love for each other right after her so died they did it,something like that

heidiho
February 8th, 2007, 06:04 PM
I know it is crazy but i think howard stern somehow is behind her death and her sons death...

Prin
February 8th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Sad, sad story. :sad:

Frenchy
February 8th, 2007, 07:02 PM
I am not really surprise, with all the alcohol and pills she was taking, it was just a matter of time. I'm really sorry for the baby :sad:

Byrd
February 8th, 2007, 10:15 PM
I just saw on the news that once the word was out that Anna was dead an emergency hearing was scheduled for tomorrow to determine who the baby would go to. Right now she is with a family friend.

erykah1310
February 8th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Poor baby... how old is she now???

Peepmouse
February 8th, 2007, 11:44 PM
I think the baby was born in late August or early September '06. They haven't determined the cause of death yet for Anna Nicole, but the coroner stated they would be doing an autopsy on Friday.

Sad to think that she wanted very much to be like Marilyn Monroe, and here she is, dead at 39, when Marilyn Monroe died at 36. It must have been terrible for her to lose her son so close to the birth of her daughter.

Hopefully her daughter will be able to live a relatively normal life...:fingerscr

Now she can be with her son...:rip:

jiorji
February 8th, 2007, 11:50 PM
I just saw on the news that once the word was out that Anna was dead an emergency hearing was scheduled for tomorrow to determine who the baby would go to. Right now she is with a family friend.


rom what i read she's with the mother of an official from Barbados. Anna Nicole left Barbados to Florida to buy a new boat. Sorry...I don't know what's going on with celebrity moms. No way would my mother let me and leave for another country at 5 months in the care of a stranger:shrug:

Rick C
February 9th, 2007, 09:04 AM
One of those rare instances where someone dies and I laugh out loud on hearing the news.

She was great in Naked Gun 33 1/3 though.

Lived hard and left a beautiful corpse.

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Mocha's mum
February 9th, 2007, 07:24 PM
My supervisor thinks it's a conspiracy and that she was murdered so that lawyer dude could get the money she had. Whatever....soldiers are dying in Afghanistan, and the world is worried about Anna Nicole.

What is horrible though, is the fact that they have on the net video of her resuscitation at the hotel. Since when does a human lose their dignity like that? It's disgusting. When someone is in distress like that, that's when dignity should take center stage....but, that's just what I think, anyway :shrug:

Rick C
February 9th, 2007, 08:17 PM
My supervisor thinks it's a conspiracy and that she was murdered so that lawyer dude could get the money she had. :

Obviously, if the Kennedy's could kill Marilyn they wouldn't hesitate to get Nicole as well.

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Golden Girls
February 9th, 2007, 08:19 PM
I agree Mocha and won't say no more. May she :rip:

Maya
February 9th, 2007, 09:48 PM
:rip: :candle: Anna Nicole Smith.

CyberKitten
February 9th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Gawd, I am tired of hearing of this story already. I feel really badly for both Anna Nicole Smith - whose name I knew only to be a celeb of some kind and who'd married a much older man so I cannot say I had much knowledge of her. I guess that is why while it is an extremely sad situation - a baby losing her mom - and AC herself losing her son acc to the news broadcasts earlier - I honestly do not understand why it is wall to wall news on CNN? Then again, I am a news junkie and am not very interested in celebs or that kind of gossipy news.

The clips I saw of her did make me feel sad for her. Even with all that money, she seemed stressed and sort of out of it in a couple clips. Was she on drugs or meds?" One wonders - the ME's report will be most interesting.

I hope I do not sound too uncompassionate. I am not immune to death but I see all too often and these are all kids under 19 at least whose lives have been snuffed out after a brave fight against cancer or AID's or some other hematological illness. While one is not supposed to get too close to patients, it is almost impossible not to allow so many of them into your heart! And you see what the families go thru. I could do a study on it - in some cases, the marriages last - some do not. (and my staff and I now sadly can almost predict which ones will!!, NOT good!).

I do try to understand why anyone would OD - if this is the case here - (seems not since she was ill but also emotionally distraught and maybe there was postpartum depression in there too - and she seems top be the type who was taken advantage of, even if she made millions, she certainly did not look happy, even when she was smiling). But I know there have been times it is very hard to spend time in the ER and you see teenagers come in who ODed about some ridiculous thing (tho obviously that means there is more beneath the surface) and here I am with kids the same age fighting bravely to live!! I almost want to bring them up to our unit and introduce them, sighh!!

We are also getting increasing numbers of kids coming into the ER (in tne middle pf the night) seeking drugs. It's pretty bad when kids become frequent flyers as ppl in medicine call those who seek meds for non medical use and come to an ER requesting specific medication for a migraine or a toothache. Most are not as unsophisticated as the adults I saw in Boston in my internship or I hear about now - but still, at 4 AM, where on earth are the parents or guardians of a 12 year old who is seeking an opiate for a toothache?

I have had some of my patients discuss suicide with me but they are usually contemplating what they would do if the pain became worse,.

Anyway, sorry about the rant!! I am sorry to hear she died but I do not understand the preoccupation with it. My mother had to ask me who she was - and I had to say I recognize the name for some reason but I do not know really what it is she did - I have learned more in the last day granted than in the last few yrs about who she is. Now that is a sad commentary!

It is sort of like that story about the astronaut and the so called lover's triangle. There are ppl in Iraq and Afghanistan dying for our country and we are watching this stuff- or rather forced to see it on the news. Gawd!!! I wonder what future people will think of our media!!

I do feel immensely sorry for that baby!! I hope someone looks after her who really wants and loves her - and not just for her money!

Maya
February 10th, 2007, 12:08 AM
But I know there have been times it is very hard to spend time in the ER and you see teenagers come in who ODed about some ridiculous thing (tho obviously that means there is more beneath the surface) and here I am with kids the same age fighting bravely to live!! I almost want to bring them up to our unit and introduce them, sighh!!Thank you for mentioning that it means there is something more beneath the surface. Slightly off topic but very important, I wanted to say I was treated very poorly in the emergency room due to taking to many pills that were prescribed by my Dr. Some people may be fighting an illness like cancer but may not have had the severe pain and trauma another has had. I don't think it's fair to compare the two. I think everyone is special and deserves to be treated well even if they don't know how to take care of themselves or have been taught to hate themselves. Many young people commit suicide because of un-diagnosed learning disabilities, incest and other abuse in the home, usually things they can't even talk about or are unable to put into words. Not much compassion or empathy for what this can do to a person or how they might end up. I'd just like to stress that she wasn't less valuable than soldiers or anyone else.

CyberKitten
February 10th, 2007, 12:59 AM
I did not mean to suggest that someone who takes an overdose should be treated differently than one who is there for another medical reason. And I am sorry you were treated badly - that should never happen.

I was expressing my point of view as an oncologist and as one who has had enough of my own medical problems (throughout my life.) I suspect I have survived because I have had good care and the good fortune to have a good family and support system. I realize not all of us are that lucky. This does not mean I have not on occasion been depressed nor do I NOT consider depression a serious illness. My aunt is a psychiatrist and my first experience in medicine was working as a receptionist for her. And depression kills - perhaps not as vividly as cancer or as physically painful - but if untreated, it does, whether through suicide, stress that leads to other illnesses and so forth.

I was just pointing out my frustration at fighting and helping people to fight illnesses and then seeing people wanting to give up life. When you on the side of providing care, (I do not work in ER tho I do have to see patients who emergency docs think may have cancer or my own patients who come in in a crisis) it can be somewhat frustrating.

Personally, I want to take the child -and many of them ARE chidlren even if they are teenagers and think they are wise - who has taken an OD and hug them. (and find them a good psychiatrist and get them into therapy).

There have been times I myself - when I was facing death as a child - pondered if taking my life would save myself and my family all this heartache and pain (and I mean physical pain) but fortunately it was something for me that did not last long. I vowed to use my own illnesses as a way to become a better doctor - tho at that time, I still had to get into med school, lol - and hopefully, my many and varied times spent in hospitals have helped me in what I do.

Admittedly, there is frustration amg ppl who work in ER's when they treat ppl who OD - mostly because many of them have probably spent many hours that day trying to save someone from a trauma, a serious illness or even injuries they have suffered at the hands of people they loved. And they find it tough it move from fighting for life to attempting to understand why someone would want to kill themselves.

I don't think I suggested soldiers or anyone were more important - if that was what came across, it was not the intention. I believe and treat all patients equally, regardless of who they are, where they come from and why they are there. I understand all too well many of the problems you note because they come out even in my many cancer patients and I have treated a few thousand now.

I have also worked with Doctors without Borders and you do not se teenagers in Africa ODing. They do not have our luxuries or even our heath care system and so it is always a culture shock for me to return and see people (both young ppl and older ones) depressed over something someone in a place where bombs are flying would never understand. It has learly affected the way I live. I live with chronic pain and just refuse to feel sorry for myself (which is not the same as serious clinical depression).

There are so many resources for people to talk to counselors about sexual and physical abuse and other issues. I really wish people would get the help they need BEFORE they attempt suicide. One of my closest friends from univ (from when I was an undergrad) has schizophrenia and she was diagnosed at that time. My roommates and I have continued to kind of watch out for her - and she usually requires hospitalization at least once a year - so I am alas all too well aware of the problems depression brings. She has never contemplated suicide though.

I think for ER personnel, they are most frustrated with people who come in having ODed to call attention to their problems. I teach my med students and Residents to treat everyone equally and I hope they do but I have seen some inequality of treatment - not where I am now (It is an excellent hospital and we have a superb psychiatric program which does much education with medical professionals as well as the general public about depression) but at other hospitals. I once brought a medical student who - failing to cope with the stresses of her academic life and other issues, had taken an overdose of meds , and was appalled at the ER doc who treated her. I lodged an official complaint against him - something he still holds against me but I felt he was unnecessarily snarky to her. The psychiatrist on call was someone I knew much better and it was OK from that point on but the ER doc - and fortunately he is not in the ER field any longer (and prob should not have been there).

Anyway - just try to see it from my side sometimes. There are days whe my own pain is so severe I wonder how I will go on but I have my cats who need me and my work which I love and people who need me. I suspect if I ever did anything to myself, the province might kill me anyway, lol (There is such a shortage of oncologists, pediatric or otherwise).

I have never had any cancer patient - as ill as they were - eve try to commit suicide though. Not because they were not depressed - I always have all my patients (depending on their age, obviously a 3 year old would not benefit from "talking" with a therapist but I do use play therapy and engage the families) see a psychiatrist to discuss their feelings. Often, other issues come out during these sessions but very often, coping with cancer makes them stronger people and able to overcome the other issues as well. I also started a program for siblings of my patients because I wondered how all of this was affecting them, especially in small families. They often thin their sib is off in Halifax having a great time and getting all the attention and then they come and get involved and are shocked by how sick their sister or brother is and at the same time learn not to feel guilty about their own feelings which are just as important. I oaten find myself trying to ensure families include ALL the family in the treatment - not always easy when you are talking about the ditances of the communities we serve and three provinces but for the most part, I'd like to think we've done some good!

Anyway - sorry to babble. I have tio get to bed and I am so off topic!! :offtopic:

I do hope Anna Nicole finds the peace in death that appears to have eluded her in life. She seems to have had such a sad life - exploited by so many men and it irks me that all the media can do is talk about the court cases and be almost voyeur like while here is a relatively young woman, not all that different in age from me, lying dead. It's just so awful!!! I also don't like the way they refer to her and constantly show suggestive videos of her - not that I ever really watched anything she was in before - as if she did not deserve the money she had been fighting for. She married the man - she was entitled to the money. They need to get over it, esp when the poor woman is dead!

Anyway - that's my rant for the nite!!

I hope you never have a bad experience at a hospital again and I do hope you complain to the people at the hospital. One of my best friends works at a hospital in BC and while her background is in 20 plus yrs in psychiatry, she now helps ppl who have complaints with the hospital. Many of them are from psychiatric patients who feel they were not treated well or on an equal par to people with other illnesses. So, I suspect your perception is not without some justification. Often talking to someone and doing something about your experience can be therapeutic! It is worth considering. Good luck!!

Maya
February 10th, 2007, 02:58 AM
There are so many resources for people to talk to counselors about sexual and physical abuse and other issues. I really wish people would get the help they need BEFORE they attempt suicide. One of my closest friends from univ (from when I was an undergrad) has schizophrenia and she was diagnosed at that time.I guess the problem was that I had been trying to get help for a long time and the resources were not helping and haven't helped. I've never really been depressed because I've had to struggle really hard just to get basics, there has never really been time. It's frustrating when you are isolated and reach out only to be handed a bottle of drugs and an appointment across town with a well paid well dressed medical professional that has just returned from vacation. Sorry if that sounds pessimistic but it really does seem there is a problem with the way our society in general "helps" those that are struggling, many fall through the cracks rich and poor. I was only trying to bring light to the fact that often people don't know how to care about themselves or ask for help so we need to teach them and care for them so they can learn. It would be nice if it wasn't something left up to specialized organizations or groups of people that are being paid to care for a brief time in someones life. I wish I could chat more about the other stuff you wrote but there is no way I could ever keep up with you.:o Sorry I hope this hasn't gone way far off topic, I guess it won't last long anyway if it gets into serious subject matter.

chico2
February 10th, 2007, 08:01 AM
Well,it's turning in to somewhat of a circus..
Yesterday I saw this idiotic,so called"Prince"married to Zaa Zaa Gabor saying he might be the father,or 30 other men might be,what a total immoral,ignorant man:yuck:
I don't agree with the comparison to Marilyn Monroe,MM was a star,a very tragic manmade star,a somewhat naive sex-kitten,nothing like Anna Nicole,who's only talent was scandals.
If she would still be alive I'd call her a human trashy opportunist,but she is gone and any life lost to such circumstances is tragic,especially for the little baby-girl,now beeing a pawn for her moms estate.

Rick C
February 10th, 2007, 10:36 AM
Yesterday I saw this idiotic,so called"Prince"married to Zaa Zaa Gabor saying he might be the father,or 30 other men might be,what a total immoral,ignorant man:yuck:

His timing could have been better, and his own reputation is pretty much zero, but he might not have been inaccurate . . . . .

I don't agree with the comparison to Marilyn Monroe,MM was a star,a very tragic manmade star,a somewhat naive sex-kitten,nothing like Anna Nicole,who's only talent was scandals.

A tragic figure like Jayne Mansfield then.

If she would still be alive I'd call her a human trashy opportunist,

For me, death wouldn't change that . . . . yes, a trashy opportunist is dead. Good description.

But whom are we to judge? The living I guess.

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Mocha's mum
February 10th, 2007, 10:47 AM
I personally think that the reason this has gotten so much hype is because we (as a societal whole), place these 'celebrities' on a pedestal. Like they are so much better than Joe civvie who isn't a movie star (I don't believe that, but that's the general impression that I get). So, when something happens to them that suggests that they are human and vulnerable, the general public is fascinated; like, how could that have happened to her??!!

I also have a problem with the way the media reports these stories. It's all about ratings, and who's got the 'top' story, and who's got the most viewers. I was pretty naive about it all, until I started to hear half truths from the media about Afghanistan (I was hearing first hand stories from people there, and then the next day, hearing half of the story on the news). Now, I'm really skeptical about anything on the news, and don't believe everything I hear. Which is kind of sad because it's the NEWS.

Sorry, that was a little off topic....:footinmouth:

chico2
February 10th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Yes,Rick for those of us who remember,if we have to compare,Jayne Mansfield is a better comparison:D
I am also not judging,just saying how I feel.
I could not even imagine the world people like Anna-N S lived in and don't think I would want to..
So,you think it is probable Anna had sex with 30 men,last January when she concieved and this old prince too,a title he bought by the way:D which makes ZaaZaa a princess:laughing:

CyberKitten
February 10th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Chico, I did not know much about her but from what I see and hear on CNN and Newsworld, (well, more on CNN - 2 nights in a row on Larry King, give me a break!), your description sounds like an apt one. And that guy was a sexist jerk from another century - and the earlier part of the last century!! Even gentlemen of his age I do not think would say what he did. He is supposedly not even a Prince (He bought the Title, lol) and now he wants his 15 minutes tho maybe he already had it and I missed it. Of course, if he is married to ZaZa - wonder what she thinks? He says he does not want publicity or something to that effect yet he holds a news conference - now there is someone who understands the metaphor of an oxymoron. :crazy:

LL1
February 10th, 2007, 03:08 PM
:rip: Tragic.

Prin
February 10th, 2007, 04:51 PM
One of those rare instances where someone dies and I laugh out loud on hearing the news.
Why laugh? :confused:

Maya
February 10th, 2007, 05:05 PM
I know I couldn't even go there. I got a sick feeling in my stomach when I read that.

Prin
February 10th, 2007, 05:12 PM
I just think everybody is a person who has people who love them and every death is private and every unexpected death is tragic. :shrug:

Maya
February 10th, 2007, 06:07 PM
I agree Prin and I hope she did have some love in her life before she died.

LL1
February 10th, 2007, 06:40 PM
I just think everybody is a person who has people who love them and every death is private and every unexpected death is tragic. :shrug:

I agree with you.

t.pettet
February 10th, 2007, 07:39 PM
Tabloids are having and will continue to have a field-day over this. I have noticed that ever since her son died she seemed to be slowly falling apart. Sad for her, her son and that defenceless little baby she left behind.

Frenchy
February 10th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Well I must say, I see people with hard life and no money, but they give themselves a kick in the butt and work hard on getting their "life" back. This woman had money, yes maybe she had problems but she wasn't out on the streets. She could have gotten help. She choose to drink and get stone. Instead of getting better to take care of her baby. I feel sorry for the kid. But not for her. :shrug:

Rick C
February 10th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Why laugh? :confused:

Outstanding question Prin. Why indeed?

You know, it was only four years ago, almost to this exact day, that I stood beside my father's bed, holding his hand, as he died in front of me.

I didn't laugh.

I go to about five to seven funerals a year, relatives and clients I've often known for decades and, in the case of clients, known them far better than relatives and saw their deterioration through the years. I've seen people die before their 40's, looked into their eyes and saw the desperation.

I never laugh.

However, every once in a while one of these train wreck celebrities comes to a fairly predictable early demise after a meterioric career highlighted by mediocrity and buffoonery and, frankly, I do find the death of such a stereotype hilarious.

The unusual thing here is the joke will continue onward for years as legions of fake lotherios express their devotion for a child they likely only view as a vehicle to the millions left to the caricature who married a nearly dead lacivious letch and called it love.

By the Lords of Kobol, how can you not laugh at all of that!!!???

At least from a detached, non-involved distance.

But . . . . . to each their own. Enjoy or sympathize the moment as you wish. I'm in tears. Different though than your own.

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

chico2
February 11th, 2007, 07:36 AM
I cannot say,I would laugh at anyone dying,but I also would not shed any tears..
She had everything available to her,everything money can buy,unlike many other Americans.
If she was depressed or ill,doctors would line up to treat her,while many Americans possibly die for lack of money.
Her excess in everything makes her a comical figure,her 'love'for a dying old man worth a fortune makes her a less credible person.
Probably losing her son,brought her back to a tragic reality,we are all vulnerable rich or poor..

SARAH
February 11th, 2007, 08:43 AM
The worst of it all seems to me to be that all of a suden it's poor her and what a rough life she had etc. She chose that life to get out of a small town where she would probably have been happier living a more down-to-earth life. I see no reason to suddely excuse and glorify her just because she died! She was - and others of her kind are - superficial and artificial being just looking to make money on the shocking behavior they flaunt on others! Good riddance, or at least - no big loss! The only thing is, she sould never have been allowed to have children when you see how her son turned out and her now leaving her baby without a thought.

Golden Girls
February 11th, 2007, 09:00 AM
I watched a special last night where she was interviewed right after her son died, I cried my eyes out for her. Whatever she's done or not done, she just burried a son and I couldn't imagine her pain. I think the media is horrible but it's a business so not surprising their milking it but she was a human being and judging her life right now is just really :sad:

She was after all someone's daughter, someone's mother, someone's lover and someone's friend :candle: I don't think you must know her personally to feel at least a little compassion :rip:

Shamrock
February 11th, 2007, 02:09 PM
The worst of it all seems to me to be that all of a suden it's poor her and what a rough life she had etc. She chose that life to get out of a small town where she would probably have been happier living a more down-to-earth life. I see no reason to suddely excuse and glorify her just because she died! She was - and others of her kind are - superficial and artificial being just looking to make money on the shocking behavior they flaunt on others! Good riddance, or at least - no big loss! The only thing is, she sould never have been allowed to have children when you see how her son turned out and her now leaving her baby without a thought.

Whether a celebrity or a private individual, a person's death is always a loss to someone, Sarah. To those who loved them, and mourn their passing.:sad:

I agree that those who have died need not be glorified, and shouldnt be, but its human nature to do so on some level, particularly with those who die young and under shocking or dramatic circumstances.
Princess Diana and Elvis Presley, and are just 2 examples of famous figures whose early deaths exalted them to a realm that would not have otherwise occurred.

Anna Nicole's over-the-top excesses reduced her to almost a cariciture figure n the public eye. That is all we can judge such individuals on, their public persona - for good or for bad. We dont really know them, after all, but we "think" we do.

She may have used and exploited others in her life.. but her death has surely prompted a feeding frenzy for the media to use and exploit her now from every possilbe angle. :sick:

As for her children, I'm not sure who it is that shouldnt have allowed her to have more?
Is there a qualifier for this? If there were, many would sadly fail:sad: .
I dont believe her son dying is a barometer for how he "turned out", nor is it necessarily any reflection on her.
And unless it's proven a suicide, she didnt "leave her baby without a thought" any more than any young parent who meets a sudden and unexpected death.:rip:

erykah1310
February 11th, 2007, 02:23 PM
WOW, you know what freaks me out.... What is it with our obsession with celebrities??? How many other "mothers, daughters, sisters" have died since she did???
What about them? Its not only celebrities who have "hard" lives, or bad reputations and die... we all do and inevitably will die as well...

I feel so horrible for her baby, family and friends... her passing( however it came about) is a tradgety indeed, but she is no different from any of us other than her life in the public eye!
I sure hope that people dont dwell on my death and debate if I am worthy of sympathy or respect

Frenchy
February 11th, 2007, 02:55 PM
any more than any young parent who meets a sudden and unexpected death.:rip:

Dying of an overdose is barely a sudden and unexpected death to me. She did drink and pop pills for years.

Rick C
February 11th, 2007, 03:24 PM
Another place where you can laugh at those who've died prematurely through their own fault, the Darwin Awards:

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/2006.html

And this very wicked and brilliant column below in the LA Times yesterday morning titled: "How Smith's Death Hit Page 1"

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-rutten10feb10,0,5491349.column?track=mostviewed-homepage

There is a password required so I will take the risk of reproducing it here (if Moderators want to delete it for copyright reasons, please do so)

Regarding Media
How Smith's death hit Page 1
February 10, 2007

THIS column is either part of the problem or a thought on its solution.

We comment; you decide.

The late Murray Kempton once described editorial writers as "the people who come down from the hill after the battle to shoot the wounded." Nowadays, media analysts are the guys who follow behind them, going through the pockets of the dead looking for loose change.

So, yes, this column is about Anna Nicole Smith.

Friday morning, less than 24 hours after she died in a Florida hotel room, the Drudge Report — our media culture's digital arbiter of all things tacky and prurient — had 12 items posted on the onetime topless dancer. That would account for some of the media frenzy surrounding her death. It's a little-known fact, but certain sectors of the broadcast media have long believed that if a dozen items on Anna Nicole Smith ever were posted on Drudge simultaneously, it would herald the onset of the apocalypse.

Who knew? This is the way the world ends — neither with a bang nor a whimper but with cleavage.

Of course, one of the cheapest journalistic tricks going is to get a piece of a mindless, tawdry media frenzy by denouncing it. The writer gets to wallow profitably in whatever gutter has everybody's attention while still being wry and high-minded. The readers get to join the fun without losing their self-respect. It's a win-win sort of arrangement for a certain knowing-wink-and-sly-nod wing of the media culture.

And yet…. When a story takes on the sheer scope and intensity of the Anna Nicole Smith frenzy there's something willful in the unexamined impulse to look away. Plain curiosity is an essential ingredient of the journalistic enterprise, and those who deny its operation in the interest of some higher value usually are not entirely to be trusted.

In the case of the unfortunate Smith, there was something almost touchingly retro about her wretched train wreck of a life. She wasn't, in fact, celebrated just for being a celebrity, as is the current mode. She'd earned her notoriety the old-fashioned way: She took her clothes off for it, then married rich — though like so much else in her ambit, that apparently didn't turn out very well. Americans have a hard time abiding a tale of struggle without reward, or a story without a happy ending, which is why we so often confer a disproportionate posthumous attention on the plucky but dubious dead. Depending on how you look at it, it's a reflection of either our collective good-heartedness or our common sappiness. Maybe the ultimate guarantor of the former is our unwillingness to worry too much about the latter.

Those slightly melancholic reflections aside, the broad media response to Smith's end bears some separate consideration. Clearly, public interest in her death was intense. Several celebrity-oriented websites crashed because so many people attempted to read about her. Mainstream news organizations, like this one, had page after page of reader comments about her posted to their online sites. Thursday night, the cable news and entertainment channels were, as we've come to expect, wall-to-wall Anna Nicole Smith.

What was different here was the way in which she made the leap from tabloid covers to the front pages of ostensibly serious newspapers.

The mainstream journalistic coverage of Smith's death is among the first such stories driven, in large part, by an editorial perception of public interest derived mainly from Internet traffic. Throughout the afternoon Thursday, editors across the country watched the number of "hits" recorded for online items about Smith's death. These days, it's the rare newspaper whose meeting to discuss the content of the next day's edition doesn't include a recitation of the most popular stories on the paper's website. It's a safe bet that those numbers helped shove Anna Nicole Smith onto a lot of front pages.

What makes this of more than passing interest is that serious American journalism is in the process of transforming itself into a new, hybrid news medium that combines traditional print and broadcast with a more purposefully articulated online presence. One of the latter's most seductive attributes is its ability to gauge readers' appetites for a particular story on a minute-to-minute basis. What you get is something like the familiar television ratings — though constantly updated, if you choose to treat them that way.

There's no point belaboring what the ratings preoccupation has done to broadcast news, particularly the once-promising 24-hour cable news channels. Today, their prime-time slots all are dominated by clones of Fox's Bill O'Reilly because his show draws the medium's biggest nightly audience. Even MSNBC's Keith Olbermann simply is an anti-O'Reilly. Nothing more complicated about his shtick, whatever his bosses make of it. Life is short, so let's not talk about CNN Headline's Nancy Grace or Glenn Beck.

The point is that the transformation of cable television news into a snarling verbal food fight with a scant informational component happened because the people running it decided to let the numbers run them.

Television ratings or aggregated "hits" on newspaper websites constitute useful marketing information. When they're transmuted into editorial tools, what you get is a kind of faux-empiricism that can create a false but nearly irresistible authority. It's that most misleading of commodities, information without context. It is data, but not necessarily information, that you can use because you understand the data. In the case of these accumulations of online hits, it is hard to know what you're measuring beyond a 24-hour fad or the inclinations of obsessive people with too much time on their hands.

Standing on the cusp of this inevitable transformation, it's a good moment for American newspapers to take a reflective breath to consider just how they want to play this numbers game — or, more important, whether they want to play it at all.

If that were to occur, then Anna Nicole Smith would not have died in vain.


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timothy.rutten@latimes.com

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Golden Girls
February 11th, 2007, 03:24 PM
WOW, you know what freaks me out.... What is it with our obsession with celebrities??? How many other "mothers, daughters, sisters" have died since she did???
What about them? Its not only celebrities who have "hard" lives, or bad reputations and die... we all do and inevitably will die as well...Is it our obsession or the media's? We really don't have a choice, turn on the radio and tv :shrug: No one said she's the only one who's had it hard :confused: but a celebrity is just that - a life in the spotlight!

erykah1310
February 11th, 2007, 05:23 PM
Its both ours and the medias obsession... they pump it out because we thrive on it... catch 22 if you will....
If we (the human race) would focus our energy on much more important things than celebreties the media would clue into the fact that dwelling on these people wasnt turning a profit for them.
Perhaps then the media would be more willing to focus on real life changing stories.

Golden Girls
February 11th, 2007, 05:44 PM
In all honesty I don't read thrash magazines but somehow I bet the enquiry minds will say differently. I barely remember anything really about her but just wanted to say when I watched her last night I cried feeling her pain, that's all.

erykah1310
February 11th, 2007, 05:48 PM
I honestly dont really know much about her either, I think there should be some respect for her family and people should stop focusing on what she is "known for"
Its tragic, she died. Left a baby behind.... I think she should be left to rest now.
This thread has kind of been bothering me, the Princess Dianna thing bothered me, the Elvis thing bothers me, Kurt Cobain thing bothers me... I could go on. But they have died.

Prin
February 11th, 2007, 06:04 PM
I think people are forgetting that the person portrayed in the media is hardly the real person. Anna Nicole sold an image and pretty well at that- to be on entertainment shows non stop. She was famous for being famous and outrageous, but hey, Marilyn Manson too. If anybody bothered to get to know the behind the scenes Anna Nicole like people have with Marilyn Manson, they might realize there really is somebody behind that facade.

And I think judging people by drug overdoses is way too oversimplified. Very smart, very valuable people die of drug overdoses every day along with other accidental self-inflicted causes. I think that some people are born with very addictive personalities and it takes a helluva lot of will power and restraint to NOT get addicted to something. And others just have problems that terrorize them to the point where they just need relief. :shrug: And face it, when you have the money lying around like that, it's so easy to get caught up in it. And drugs are much quicker acting than any therapy program, even if the long term results aren't good.

The way she died didn't make her less of a person. And the way her son died didn't make her less of a mom either.

Rick C
February 11th, 2007, 06:04 PM
Its both ours and the medias obsession... they pump it out because we thrive on it... catch 22 if you will....
If we (the human race) would focus our energy on much more important things than celebreties the media would clue into the fact that dwelling on these people wasnt turning a profit for them.
Perhaps then the media would be more willing to focus on real life changing stories.

We can agree that this is a classic, very demonstratable, example of demand driving what gets covered . . . . . or at least a one-time event that temporarily at least, drives the primary events of the day to the backburner for a short while.

In other words, you, the common people out there, demand that your local and national media cover this and in turn, local and national media respond.

That is the lesson coming out of the column above.

One should also note that secondary or marginal media sources, those which are likely best described as less profit driven, were the places traffic went FIRST until primary sources directed more resources to this coverage.

That's where the word "hypocrite" can be applied in a situation like this, to the common public.

Loved this paragraph from the article above:

Of course, one of the cheapest journalistic tricks going is to get a piece of a mindless, tawdry media frenzy by denouncing it. The writer gets to wallow profitably in whatever gutter has everybody's attention while still being wry and high-minded. The readers get to join the fun without losing their self-respect. It's a win-win sort of arrangement for a certain knowing-wink-and-sly-nod wing of the media culture.

Bang on!!!

That's why Princess Diana is still popular sport for a periodic cover on People, 10 years after her death. You want it, they deliver . . . .

Don't mind me . . . . I ran 21 km this morning in wind chill that was easily about minus 20 or more. I'm a little punch drunk and my nose seems to have suffered some frostbite. :sick:

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Stacer
February 11th, 2007, 06:52 PM
I can honestly say I havnet given her death a second though. Aside from checking this thread out I haven't read a single article or watched a single newscast about her. I refuse to care. Maybe that sounds bad, but I refuse to follow the mass media hype over shallow, overindulgent people living their shallow, overindulgent little lives as though the whole world cares when they take a dump. Not me.

heidiho
February 12th, 2007, 02:06 PM
If she passed away in a different way,i probably wouldnt be as interested,but just everything that has happened and the way her son died then her,yes i have to say i am totally interested in the story,partly because i am just wondering how could the people around her,mainly her boyfriend let her slowly die like that,blows me away..

Rick C
February 12th, 2007, 04:31 PM
In passing through CBS News, I couldn't help but notice the Nassau Tribune today is publishing pictures of Anna Nicole in bed (clothed) in an embrace with the Bahamian Immigration Minister, the guy who fast-tracked her permanent resident status in that country.

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/12/people_late_great/main2463233.shtml

He doesn't appear to be claiming he's the father of her child.

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Prin
February 12th, 2007, 04:39 PM
And how many "important" women did Jim Morrison or in today's business, Owen Wilson, etc, sleep with? Oh, that's right, we don't know because when famous men sleep around, it doesn't make the front page. :rolleyes:

Rick C
February 12th, 2007, 04:43 PM
And how many "important" women did Jim Morrison or in today's business, Owen Wilson, etc, sleep with? Oh, that's right, we don't know because when famous men sleep around, it doesn't make the front page. :rolleyes:

The obvious answer that will get me drawn and quartered and then killed on this board would be: "There are many important women?" :sorry:

Bear in mind before you kill me that if I were an American, I'd be voting Hillary.

Just fooling with you Prin. I was actually answering the earlier disbelief that "20-30" men was out of the realm of possiblity. I'm on side for the Owen Wilson/Anna Nicole comparison!!!:grouphug:

Rick C
www.goldentales.ca

Prin
February 12th, 2007, 05:00 PM
:eek: :frustrated: :o ;)

There may not be that many important women compared to men but there are still enough to sleep with to get to the top if you need to.;)

And I'm on the side of:
If Belinda Stronach's romantic conquests are in the media because she's a public figure, fine. But I want to see Peter MacKay's too. And if he doesn't have any, the media should at least make fun of him for being a loser.

If one person is judged by the media for doing something, then any person should be, opposite sex or not, or just they should stay out of it completely. ;)

Frenchy
February 12th, 2007, 06:38 PM
:eek: :frustrated: :o ;)

There may not be that many important women compared to men but there are still enough to sleep with to get to the top if you need to.;)



Jim Morrison didn't sleep with anyone to get to the top, he only slept with groupies :p

Prin
February 12th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Jim Morrison didn't sleep with anyone to get to the top, he only slept with groupies :p

lol maybe he didn't sleep with them to get to the top, but he probably slept with women who were at the top anyway. I mean, he was pretty indiscriminate... :D

heidiho
February 12th, 2007, 06:58 PM
For sure there is a double standard when it comes to sex,women are sluts and men are well men..I totally think it is wrong,if you are single, no kids and want to sleep around so be it, america makes sex out to be such a bad thing,you keep it safe and you arent hurting anyone and have enough self esteem,more power to you,this woman was a mother and in my eyes has a certain obligation to set an example to her kids,what you do when you have children is a totally different story.