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Thoughts on Kirkland brand dry dog food sold at Costco?

celticfox
February 6th, 2007, 07:07 PM
Does anyone feed this to their dog(s)? WOULD you feed this to your dog(s)?

My husband is in love with the price but I wasn't 100% sold on it after seeing beet pulp and chicken fat in the ingredient list. It looked decent otherwise but then again, I read the ingredient list very quickly before moving on.

This is the Lamb and Rice dry food sold at Canadian Costco stores, if that makes any difference. They also have a chicken version but I didn't check the ingredients.

Frenchy
February 6th, 2007, 07:10 PM
You probably won't get woo and aaah about it here :shrug: But I do feed it to my dogs, the lamb and rice formula. They have no problem with it. I use to feed another brand $20-$25 more than the Costco one and it had the same ingredients. I heard some dogs had problems with the chicken formula tough.

Byrd
February 6th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Willow's sister (my friend's dog) gets this food. I think it's comparable to Pedigree. :yuck: Phoenix is fine with it, but I wouldn't buy it.

breeze
February 6th, 2007, 07:26 PM
i fed kita the chicken one it's the only one she can tolarate why i don't know but it works for her.

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Wooo and ahhhh... :D (Just to make Frenchy laugh.:D)

It's not the best food, but there's nothing horrible about it. Chicken fat is actually a good fat. Beet pulp isn't the best, it's a stool hardener, but it's not the worst ingredient either.

Let's just say there's nothing unethical and there's nothing that will harm your dog in the long term in this food. :) But ONLY the lamb. Not the chicken. The chicken one has byproducts and stuff. :sick:

Frenchy
February 6th, 2007, 07:43 PM
I think it's comparable to Pedigree. :yuck:

Please compare the ingredients before you say this. At least it has no corn. I know many brand that are far more expensive where corn is in the first 3 ingredients.

rainbow
February 6th, 2007, 07:46 PM
I agree. It's certainly not the best food but if price is an issue it's better than what's available at the supermarket and Walmart. I'd stick with the lamb and rice one too.

heidiho
February 6th, 2007, 07:47 PM
ooohhh aahhhhhh !! i had to

Frenchy
February 6th, 2007, 07:50 PM
ooohhh aahhhhhh !! i had to

:laughing: thanks Prin and Heidiho :p

TeriM
February 6th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Let's just say there's nothing unethical and there's nothing that will harm your dog in the long term in this food. :) But ONLY the lamb. Not the chicken. The chicken one has byproducts and stuff. :sick:

Interesting enough I was just at Costco yesterday in the US (quick shopping trip :D ) and was looking at this food. There was actually three types there and the chicken/rice, lamb/rice were pretty much identical. There was another type there though that was kirkland nuggets that did have byproducts in it. Not sure if this is a US/Cda thing or not?

heidiho
February 6th, 2007, 07:54 PM
It was just to tempting,,,,,,,,:laughing:

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I've checked the bags to be sure that the pamphlet I was given one day (sample day) was the same as the bags in the store and they were and the chicken ones had byproducts... There's a thread around here somewhere where I typed up the ingredients....:o

Definitely better than pedigree, purina, Iams... Definitely. It's even better than most of the Nutro formulas.

TeriM
February 6th, 2007, 08:06 PM
I agree, not the best but definately a good value for the money.

Byrd
February 6th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Please compare the ingredients before you say this. At least it has no corn. I know many brand that are far more expensive where corn is in the first 3 ingredients.

Hence the word think. I'm not a food guru, don't claim to be, but, I've been told by others in the "doggy world" that that's the comparison. It's a grocery store food. If I made a mistake.... sorry.

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Here's the post where I compared the lamb and rice of Nutro to Kirkland's...
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=308969&#post308969

(I didn't go into too much detail, but if you need me to I can...)

coppperbelle
February 6th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Definitely better than pedigree, purina, Iams... Definitely. It's even better than most of the Nutro formulas.

Yup, I agree.

technodoll
February 6th, 2007, 09:28 PM
if you add some real proteins to the kirkland's dry food (canned fish, cooked meats, eggs, yogurt, cottage cheese, good canned foods, etc), it will make it even better! :highfive:

4thedogs
February 6th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Kirkland is comparable to any other store premium kibble. (not grocery foods)

Feeding all the things that were mentioned would boost any kibble food no matter what brand it is.

In regards to kibble there are 3 general levels

Grocery
Pet store premium
Specialty premium

LibbyP
February 6th, 2007, 09:52 PM
For those wondering here is the list of ingredients for Kirkland Chicken and Rice

chicken,chicken meal, whole grain brown rice,cracked pearled barley, chicken fat(preserved with mixed tocopherols & vitamin E), egg product, beet pulp, potatoes, fish meal, flaxseed, natural flavor, brewers dried yeast, millet, carrots, peas, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin Esupplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride(vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex(vitamin K activity) riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

crude protein 26%
crude fat 16%
crude fiber 4%
moisture 10%
calcium 1.0%
phosphorus 0.8%
zinc 200 mg/kg
selenium 0.4mg/kg
vitamin A 15,000IU/kg
vitamin E 150IU/kg
omega-6 fatty acids 2.5%
omega-3 fatty acids 0.4%
glucosamine not less than 300 mg/kg
chondroitin sulfate not less than 100mg/kg

3,754 kcal/kg(362kcal/cup)

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 09:53 PM
My categories are a little more specific:
Commercial
Not terrible commercial/Almost holistic
Holistic

:D

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 09:57 PM
omg, Libby, thanks for posting that. I was remembering the cat ones. Sorry everybody. It's the Kirkland cat ones that are full of by-products. Sorry. :o :sorry:

Kirkland Super Premium Maintenance Cat:
Chicken by-product meal, ground yellow corn, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vit E), corn gluten meal.....

Sorry about that! The dog chicken is actually ok. :o :sorry:

4thedogs
February 6th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Same list different words

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Same list different words

Yep. :highfive:

(Just that commercial foods ALWAYS use "premium" in their food names)

celticfox
February 6th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Thanks so much for your honest opinions. :D

Our dogs are doing okay on the Holistic Blend Lamb and Rice they are on (our older dog, Rusty, has been a bit gassy on it) and I've been reluctant to switch because things didn't go so well when I tried switching them to a new food a couple of weeks before Christmas. Some of you may remember me posting about my experience with Natural Balance Potato and Duck. We're still not sure if it was the food or the raw bones I fed the dogs around the same time but our dog Raven became quite ill days before Christmas with what the vet believes was a mild case of pancreatitis (blood tests were normal but symptoms were consistant with pancreatitis). Thank heavens she recovered beautifully within a couple of weeks. :)

I've been contemplating switching them again because I suspect the Holistic Blend may be giving Raven horrible breath (see post in the health section ;)). Her breath did improve while she was on the NB Duck and Potato and also while she was on the special canned food prescribed by the vet for 10 days. Once she went back to her regular food the smelly breath was back again and is steadily getting worse. :yuck: The poor girl can clear a room in seconds when she starts panting. LOL!

Anyhoo, I'm getting a bit off-topic here but I'm thinking I should probably avoid putting her on another lamb based food given her breath issue. Perhaps I should try the Holistic Blend Chicken and Vegetable instead? How do these ingredients look? Would you recommend another non-lamb based food instead?

Low ash chicken, whole ground brown rice, hulless barley, whole oats, chicken fat (preserved with rosemary), rosemary extract, ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), natural chicken flavour, tomatoe pomace, salmon, dried whole eggs, nutritional yeast, kelp, sunflower oil, garlic oil, whlole dried carrots, whole dried potatoes, beta carotene, calcium carbonate, chelated minerals (zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iron proteinate), sodium selenite, potassium chloride, cobalt carbonate, calcium iodate, vitamin A supplement, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, biotin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin K1 supplement, vitamin D supplement, vitamin C supplement, folic acid.

Thanks again for your opinions! :D

Prin
February 6th, 2007, 10:59 PM
Too grainy. When the chicken loses its moisture during cooking, it loses around 70-80% of its mass and falls much lower on the ingredient list, putting the rice at #1.

Canidae makes a better chicken food.:shrug:

http://www.canidae.com/

Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement.

angeldogs
February 7th, 2007, 04:29 AM
i like the canidae.we have our shih tzu on it now.good price.

vfrohloff
February 7th, 2007, 09:22 AM
I fed the Kirkland Lamb and Rice for a while and Sophie did really well on it. However, Benny has a chicken allergy (I didn't know that back then) and it gave him the barfs and the splats. I think it's pretty good value for the money, better than grocery store brands for sure. I may have kept Sophie on it if the nearest Costco wasn't 45 minutes away, it wasn't worth paying the membership fee for me to go once every 2 months.:shrug:

Prin
February 7th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Hey! Another chicken intolerance! WOO!! Sorry, but I was feeling like Boo was the only one ever in the history of dogs.:D

coppperbelle
February 8th, 2007, 07:08 AM
My dogs have been eating Canidae for about 3 weeks now. So far/so good, shedding is down and they are no longer biting their legs which they began doing on the DVP. The price is also very reasonable. I give them cans of fish and other meats as well.

vfrohloff
February 8th, 2007, 08:40 AM
Hey! Another chicken intolerance! WOO!! Sorry, but I was feeling like Boo was the only one ever in the history of dogs.:D

Yep, took me the longest time to figure it out (like almost 2 years). Poor Benny, I couldn't figure out why he was puking yellow bile every single day and his poops were never normal. He was in good health otherwise, and Sophie didn't have any of the same problems so I figured he must be intolerant to something. I tried feeding him 4 times a day, tried all kinds of different foods, some of them Lamb and Rice but with chicken or eggs hidden in them somewhere :mad: I finally tried Holistic Blend Lamb and Rice and he was fine after that. I realized that the only thing different about it was that it had no chicken products in it at all. I've since tried giving him a few bites of a chicken kibble and he gets the bile pukes again so I'm pretty sure about it. He also gets sick when he eats (or should I say steals!) chicken meat or eggs.
Sorry for the threadjack! :sorry:

Catzig
February 8th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by Prin on the thread-jack post. I'm really interested in the info so I hope it's okay to copy it here. (If not, I am very sorry.)

Nutro ...

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (minimum) 21.00%
Crude Fat (minimum) 12.00%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 5.00%
Moisture (maximum) 10.00%
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.50%
Zinc (minimum) 250 mg/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 150 IU/kg
Ascorbic Acid (minimum)* 35 mg/kg
Glucosamine (minimum)* 450 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate (minimum)* 350 mg/kg

Kirkland-...

Protein 23%
Fat 14%
Fiber 4%
plus it's got glucosamine and chondroitin in it.

Like I said, neither is great, but IMO, kirkland is better. If you want me to get into the details of why, just let me know.

Prin, do you still have the details? I started feeding Tia Nutro Large Breed Lamb & Rice a couple of months ago. She seems to tolerate it better than other stuff we've tried. (We let our membership to Costco slide, perhaps it would be worth renewing?)

Prin
February 8th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Poor Benny, I couldn't figure out why he was puking yellow bile every single day and his poops were never normal.Oh yeah, that's Boo... And then gradually, he ends up with bacterial overgrowth and starts with the diarrhea and all night puking. :rolleyes: He's on EvoRM now and is doing pretty well. :)


For the Nutro vs Kirkland:

Nutro (from what you sent me)
Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Soybean Oil, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Rice Gluten, Dried Egg Product, Dried Beet Pulp, Potassium Chloride, L-Lysine, Dried Kelp (source of Iodine), Salt, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Biotin, Copper Proteinate, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin A Supplement, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid.

Kirkland- first few ingredients (because I'm typing them in )

Lamb, lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, rice flour, white rice, egg product, cracked pearl barkley, chicken fat (mixed with bla bla- no citric acid), beet pulp, potatoes, fishmeal, flaxseed, natural flavor, millet, brewers dried yeast, carrots, peas, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder...

Both are pretty grainy but there is wayyyyyy more rice in the Nutro than there is lamb and than there is in the Kirkland. When they break apart the rice in so many parts, it's because it's overwhelmingly the #1 ingredient in the food. The nutro also has soybean oil, which can cause allergies and gas. Nutro also has poultry fat, which is really gross. Poultry is a non descript meat and it could be chicken or it could be crow... Pretty gross. Kirkland uses chicken fat- specific fats are good.

Both have beet pulp (stool hardener).

Both have egg product, which is a kind of gross batch of not-for-human-consumption eggs...

Kirkland has fishmeal, which is non descript fish, but it's pretty low on the list, so it's not so bad.

Both have menadione, a synthetic vitamin K, which can cause free radicals, which can lead to tumors, cancer, etc... Feeding an antioxidant can help reduce the effects (like vitamin E).

Does that help? All things considered, Kirkland is better.

technodoll
February 8th, 2007, 10:22 PM
Both are pretty grainy but there is wayyyyyy more rice in the Nutro than there is lamb and than there is in the Kirkland

well.... i don't agree. once the "lamb" in the kirkland loses its moisture, it falls way down the list of ingrediends. so both foods' #1 ingredient by dry weight is lamb meal, then both have 3 redundant sources of rice... then oils. so IMO... not much difference there: LOTS of rice in both formulas... about the same i would say. :shrug:

Prin
February 8th, 2007, 10:24 PM
Yeah, but the Nutro has Rice Gluten further down too. :shrug:

Either way, it's moot because poultry fat is a deal-breaker, IMO.

technodoll
February 8th, 2007, 10:29 PM
no i agree that kirkland is a better food. less crappy ingredients overall. BUT still... dat's alot of rice :eek: :o wonder if the dogs in china like this stuff, ha ha! :laughing: :D

Prin
February 8th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Well, techno, for ~$29.99 a bag for the Kirkland, you can't expect miracles.:D

technodoll
February 8th, 2007, 10:45 PM
is that what it costs? i didn't know (of course...) :o

out of morbid curiosity... what does a big bag of Ol'Roy cost? to compare with same-sized kirkland... cuz the ingredients are night and day and wondering if the price diff is, too? :cool:

Prin
February 8th, 2007, 10:53 PM
I have no idea. hehe :sad: (http://www.walmartstores.com/Files/annual_2000/olroy/olroy1.html)

technodoll
February 8th, 2007, 10:58 PM
a-ha! after some investigative research... :o so a 20 lbs bag of Ol'Roy Lamb & Rice cost USD $12.99 in 2004...

Ingredients

Lamb meal, brewer's rice, soybean meal, ground yellow corn, ground wheat, wheat middlings, beef tallow preserved with BHA and mixed-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), wheat flour, corn gluten meal, animal digest, salt, L-lysine monohydrochloride, coline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfates, vitamin supplements (A, E, B-12, D-3), manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, brewer's dried yeast, riboflavin supplement, bioten, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfate complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein (Min): 23%
Crude Fat (Min): 12%
Crude Fiber (Max): 4%
Moisture (Max): 12%

"you get what you pay for"!!! :yuck:

Catzig
February 8th, 2007, 11:45 PM
Thanks Prin, it does help.

So much to study, so little time :eek: