Pets.ca - Pet forum for dogs cats and humans 

-->

Where would you draw the line

erykah1310
January 25th, 2007, 05:02 PM
We see daily here that the members are so willing to spend what ever it takes to help their pets....
Hypothetical question....
Your dog is 6 years old, and needs very very costly treatment, that wont even ensure that what ever disorder will be fixed.Approx 50/50 chances.. how much would you spend, regardless?

Prin
January 25th, 2007, 05:13 PM
For me, it's not $$ but prognosis. Even if a treatment was $5 and my dog was going to suffer and die, I wouldn't get the treatment. But if the treatment was $5000 and my dog was going to return to being a happy, healthy doggy with no pain, I'd do it in a heartbeat. :o

heidiho
January 25th, 2007, 05:20 PM
If money is not the issue ,4000.i would take my 50\50 chance for sure......

heidiho
January 25th, 2007, 05:22 PM
I have to add there is no $$$$ limit for Roxy and what she means to me,and actually even if $$ was an object i would do whatever it took to get it and help her.....

Stacer
January 25th, 2007, 05:36 PM
I agree with what Prin said. It would totally depend on prognosis. 50/50 meaning that the pet would live or die? or 50/50 that the pet would go back to it's normal life or have problems for the rest of it's life but still be happy?

I would pay what ever it takes if the pet was still going to have quality of life after the treatment.

heidiho
January 25th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I agree with that if the quality would not be real good,then no,but it just depends on what the quality of life would be,hmm,hard question....

Prin
January 25th, 2007, 05:44 PM
That's true.. 50/50 live or die is not the same as 50/50 die or be healthy again... I think if you're going to spend a wad, the quality of life has to dramatically improve, you know? Say an old doggy with severe arthritis and mobility issues gets bloat. If you drop the $2000+ on him to save him from the bloat, he'll still come home the way he was, in pain, and very limited... :o

Hunter's_owner
January 25th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Yeah I agree. I know I would do whatever I could for them, and if I couldn't I know the bf's parents would pitch in, there is nothing they wouldn't do for their only grandkids:o But if a lot of money would not fully restore the health, then I would have to put a lot of thought into it.

Rottielover
January 25th, 2007, 06:57 PM
I did not vote. The reason is I would do my damn best, but if the choice had to come wealfare of my child, food, a place to live, school, so on. I would not have a choice. As everyone here knows, Harley has been hell financially, but thank god for a great vet. But I am never improving., once paid, something else happens. So I do not know when, and how much :(

Byrd
January 25th, 2007, 07:10 PM
I agree with what the others said, I would do my best, but it would depend on the situation. For example, my Wolf was 13 and his teeth were bad, not falling out bad, just really dirty. The vet suggested I have his teeth cleaned. I didn't want to risk him going under general (and for that matter the $600 on a dog that was still eating fine, and I thought was on his last leg - he lived for two more years). So, I didn't get it done. None fell out and he was fine until he had a stroke at 15. :shrug:

Tommysmom
January 25th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I don't know the answer to this one either. You guys know my little guy is struggling and we don't know what the future might hold. My husband and I have basically decided that we will spend what we can afford, but only if we can give him a good life. If spending the money means Tommy would just survive, but not thrive or enjoy a good doggy life, then it's time to close the bank, I think... just because medical science CAN do all sorts of things these days, doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD do them, you know? At some point nature takes its course, and you can only battle it for so long. I love my pup more than I ever imagined I could, and the first thought has to be of him and his life... not just staying alive but enjoying a good life. So, it's not the money that would make our decision but the prognosis.

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 07:35 PM
That is a hard one to answer. My heart is breaking just thinking about it. it depends on the out come of the tests. so I really can't vote

Kristin7
January 25th, 2007, 08:12 PM
I have been in this position, except the prognosis seemed worse and my dog was a few years younger. I would have done anything for even just a few more weeks or months. I spent over $3k USD but it didnt' matter. Once I could see she wasn't going to make it, I just wanted to end her suffering as fast as possible. It was the least I could do. It wasnt' about the money. If there was a chance I would have spent as much as I could afford, or more, but if not, then I had to help her in another way. So I voted over $4k, but it does depend. If there is absolutely no hope (and you will know when this is, your pet will tell you), then the money doesn't matter.

Frenchy
January 25th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I've been there with Daisy , I draw the line at quality of life for my dogs. Even if a treatment is available, you have to think of what it means for your doggie, you know ?

wdawson
January 25th, 2007, 08:26 PM
hard choice.......i spent almost $3000.00 for a very serious case of stones in my cat........i never even thought to ask many questions....mind is on getting back your fur friend in one piece asap...the vet just throws $$$ your in a blur and you just say yes.....kinda like watching charlie brown.....blah blah blah blah blah.........on a positive note felix is great now.....3 years later and no problems.......is this puppy your enquiring for:sad:

erykah1310
January 25th, 2007, 08:39 PM
is this puppy your enquiring for:sad:

Kinda yes and kinda no, I mean the we all know how his health has been lately and yes, I am struggling with the whole what to do thing right now. However the poll is more or less just a curiosity....
Some times it just seems that if you dont spend thousands upon thousands on your dog in hopes of making everything better, I find some people look down their noses at you.:shrug: Quite a few actually:shrug:

erykah1310
January 25th, 2007, 08:41 PM
On another note on Puppy, if i did get a hip replacement for him, he still has arthritis in his elbows too... had a bout with the nast C and overall his body has taken a beating ( not literal) over the years before he came here. Really to replace his hips wouldnt solve much/

4thedogs
January 25th, 2007, 08:42 PM
I know of a dog who is much younger than 6 yrs and just had an 8000.00 surgery to repair growth damage to his legs. He was not in any pain yet but without the surgery he would be in a lot of pain within a couple years if it were not done. With the surgery he should have a pain free life from this issue.
Thank god they were in a position to spend 8000 on the surgery.

Maybe I read the question wrong but I saw it as how much is too much when you don't know the outcome. 50% chance he gets better and 50% chance it doesn't help and remains the same. Would you still spend whatever it was to try.

Lukka'sma
January 25th, 2007, 08:42 PM
You guys know my little guy is struggling and we don't know what the future might hold.

I didn't know that Tommy was not well. I missed that thread. What happened to him. I feel terrible, so sorry Tommysmom and Tommy.

Frenchy
January 25th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Some times it just seems that if you dont spend thousands upon thousands on your dog in hopes of making everything better, I find some people look down their noses at you.:shrug: Quite a few actually:shrug:

It's nobody's business but your own. Who cares what other people think, usually, these are the ones who never had any problems with their dogs. Easy for them to bla bla bla. But like I said, it's not because a treatment is available that you just have to go and get it for your dog. I think sometimes vets think more about $$ than the comfort of a dog. You do have to draw the line somewhere. And it's not being cheap, it's only thinking of your dog's welfare. I rather people think I'm cheap than be able to say ; yea, I spent thousand and thousand of dollars for such treatments for my dog, he is pretty crummy since then but hey, I spend thousands.....No thanks. I rather think of the wellbeing (the real one) of my dog.

mummummum
January 25th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Existing quality of life + prognosis + pain caused by treatment + quality of life subsequent to treatment. Heck, with what I've spent on these three to date, I've pretty much committed myself to working to 65 or longer anyway.

hazelrunpack
January 25th, 2007, 09:02 PM
We're already well over the $4,000 mark for quite a few of our dogs...

We inherited Priscilla at the age of 5 knowing full well she had hip dysplasia. Upwards of 18 months and $6,000 US later, she was a new girl... Money well spent. :thumbs up

Evan, with all his genetic problems and IBD to boot...hmmm...I gotta say between diagnostics, meds, special foods and surgeries, we spent upward of $10,000 US on him. When the end came, we could have opted for surgery to try to clear a blockage in his intestine, but he'd had so much surgery and had such a difficult time building back from each one...and the consensus was that the same problem was likely to occur again. So we opted to have him put to sleep. :rip:

Now, we routinely get vet bills of over $900...course we have 6 dogs now, but that's still quite a shock the first few times you get the invoice. Are they worth it? Yes. So far, with these 6, we've had some chronic joint problems, but nothing extremely major (knock on wood, cuz if I don't, tomorrow someone will come up with something terribly wrong :fingerscr yes, I'm paranoid :fingerscr )... If something major should come up, I hope we can still afford treatment because it isn't in our nature to have a dog put down without going the whole nine yards for treatment...

As to people looking down their noses at spending big bucks on treatment for 'just a dog'... Well, if I told you what I thought of that attitude, the mods would close this thread down for sure... :evil: My feeling is that I won't have to buy them cars or put them through college, so they're still cheaper than kids! :p

dogcatharmony
January 25th, 2007, 09:03 PM
My pets are my life and I would spend every dime I had on them. Even if it meant selling off my material possessions I would. I have taken on a responsibility of caring for them, same as a child as my pets are my 'furbabies" if they need treatment live or die, recover fully or need special attention I would give them my all.

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 09:40 PM
would you think the same way if it was a 9 year old dog or older? and had hip problems and arthritis and they wanted to do surgery? when her life expectincy was 11 or 12 years old? and you know she is in pain most of the time?

TeriM
January 25th, 2007, 10:01 PM
I agree with others about spending whatever you can possibly handle as long as the quality of life thing was there.

technodoll
January 25th, 2007, 10:14 PM
yeah, i too think that quality of life means more than how much $$ you throw on the table for vet care, surgeries, etc. should anything happen to our kids (and knock on wood NOT), money is not a consideration. at all, ever. BUT if the prognosis is not good... if they would continue to suffer or be in pain even after treatments... gawd i don't even want to think about that. but it would be the toughest decision ever to make... :sad:

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 10:17 PM
we are more humaine to our animals then we are to human beings. were the animals in our life do not have to suffer people on the other hand do most of the time

CyberKitten
January 26th, 2007, 01:16 AM
I selected $4,000 because I would spend as much as it took but my own work has shown me it is not just money. I have spent more than that. My brother has already sent more than that on his choc lab! I would want the best specialist in whatever area one of my kitties' illness was. I know I did that when my bunny was ill - drove to the Vet College. And just like in medicine, everyone has different views as to who is best where tho there are some indicators of who really is and I am sure that is true for vets. Depending on the illness, you need the right vet and the right place and money is important but you also need to take into account would you take time off work, travel distances, etc. I think most of here would actually if there is a chance of saving our pet - say a drug trial being done at a vet school.

we3beagles
January 26th, 2007, 01:57 AM
When Capone got sick we spent $5000 in tests and meds trying to save him only to end up with a small wooden box instead of my puppy. In no way do I regret spending the money and our wonderful vet even refused to charge us for some of it, but I really wish with all my heart it could have saved him. Now all my dogs are vet insured so I don't have to make that decision. DO IT!! Run all the tests you want and fix my dog if it is humanly possible. We were by no means well off, but we had some money saved to landscape the backyard and we were so lucky we did. I don't know where we would have gotten the money from if we didn't.

Puppyluv
January 26th, 2007, 07:44 AM
$2000 deposit, $6500 total... already done it once (and that was with an 80/20 chance (death/life)), would do it again in a second to save my little baby. That's how I was raised though.. I had a hamster that was dying when I was 11 and my parents paid $300+ trying to save it's life....:shrug:

poodletalk
January 26th, 2007, 07:53 AM
My 10 year old husky needed knee surgery, many people were telling me to put her down because she was so old! The surgery cost couple of thousands of dollars, plus treatment after the surgery.

I put everything on a credit card, got a second job on the week-ends to pay off my credit card!

I met my husband at the second job and my husky lived for another 5.5 years!!

Money well spent!

Golden Girls
January 26th, 2007, 09:07 AM
I draw the line at quality of life for my dogs.exactly otherwise I'd manage to get the funding to do whatever it took

~michelle~
January 26th, 2007, 11:51 AM
i dont really know how to answer this one. i would do whatever i could for my babies. but sometimes there are things you just cant do it there was a vet bill + 5000 i dont think there is anyway i could do it. i dont have parents that could help or credit to get that much:shrug: if i had it i would do it but it would also depend on quality of life. if my dog is just going to be kept alive then no but if they can live a life full of quality than yes.

technodoll
January 26th, 2007, 11:59 AM
My 10 year old husky needed knee surgery, many people were telling me to put her down because she was so old! The surgery cost couple of thousands of dollars, plus treatment after the surgery.
I put everything on a credit card, got a second job on the week-ends to pay off my credit card!
I met my husband at the second job and my husky lived for another 5.5 years!!
Money well spent!

yes, i would say! :highfive: your story, and that of puppyluv's, show that indeed you never know WHAT can happen... and if you CAN afford it by hook or by crook, then do all you can to save that life :lovestruck: after all, it's not "just a dog"... it's our soulmates, our kids, our best friends and guardian angels in this life :pawprint:

Inisfad
January 26th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I had a hamster that was dying when I was 11 and my parents paid $300+ trying to save it's life....:shrug:
Oh, I really love that. When I was growing up my mother wouldn't let me have a pet until I was 17. If I brought strays home she would tell me that she 're-homed' them, but actually took them out and dumped them at supermarkets, etc. So now I'm the exact opposite. I would spend whatever it took, as long as there was hope and my pet's quality of life would improve. I think you need to think about whether you're doing it for your pet, or you (ie unreasonably holding on....).

BusterBoo
January 26th, 2007, 10:34 PM
I didn't vote because there are so many variables....

About 6 years ago I had a one year old tzu who, within a week, went from a happy, healthy doggie to lethargic and shaking. I took her to the vet....they said her kidneys were shutting down....I had no credit cards...no one I could borrow from, so my Miss Meeka went to the bridge. :rip: I still feel the guilt of not being able to afford to try and help her...but at that time, my life wasn't what it is today. I often wonder what she would be like today...if only I had the money...

and now...I have two doggies....and in January 2005 Harley came down with blastomycosis. It's a rare disease and very costly to get through.....so over $3,000 and 5 months of medication later...Harley is doing great!

Would I spend that much money again on my doggies??? No question...in a heartbeat...as long as I know that they were not suffering, in pain and that I could also afford to look after myself. My kids (now adults) are my family but my doggies are also my family now and if I am the only one to look after them, then I will do whatever I have to keep them around. :)

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
January 26th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Didn't vote. I'll spend thousands if need be (did when Hamish had his intestinal blockage). Quality of life is the #1 thing. I don't think I'd put my two under even a (relatively speaking) inexpensive procedure if their quality of life was to a point of no return.

kathryn
January 27th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Had a rottie w/ hip dysplasia. Born with bad hips... one day I was sitting out back with her when she decided to jump off the porch after a squrielle (cant spell it.. my bad). Broke her hips to peices :( they were so fragile and just a 3 feet drop wrecked them.

My mom spent thousands to try to get her better and make her comfortable but when she was about 6 there was nothing left to do so we made her comfortable and gave her pain meds and let her live out her days at home and put her down when she was 7.


Lot's of vets were always telling us she had no chance and blah blah blah but in the end she lived 7 happy years. She had a family that loved her and although she was in pain sometimes she was still a pretty happy dog.


Had another dog named Harley who suddenty became urinary incontient. Took care of him for about 9 months and made him comfy... got him diapers and gave him pain meds. Spent thousands on trying to find out what was wrong but after a bunch of tests came back with no answer we were like 'forget this.' and just made him comfy to live out his days without getting poked with a needle every other day.

He was really happy too. 3 days before he died he was outside throwing up and was so sick and even though he was really week he licked my face and put his head on my lap to make me feel better.



Moral of the story,

I'd spend all the money I had to make my pet COMFORTABLE.

But if they were going to be unhappy and have really poor quality of life then I wouldn't. I'd let them go peacefully.