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Dobb
January 25th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Am I alone in hating the word BITCH when talking about female dogs? I know that is the proper term, but it just don't sound right to me. I think that if I was walking my two "Little girl dogs" and someone said "nice bitches" I would probaly slug them ,lol. What's everyone else's opinion??
Dobb

Rottielover
January 25th, 2007, 08:16 AM
Does not bother me figuring it is a term used highly in the show ring.... It is what it is....

SARAH
January 25th, 2007, 08:36 AM
Actually, it's the idiots using the term wrong that have made it sound wrong when used right (read that one over, it does make sense). Like the name Dick ... I mean who would want to be called Dick ...

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 09:51 AM
your not alone I can't stand it either. the term bitch is use so often and loosly about women that we have learned to hate it, I to wish they could come up with another word for female dogs and wipe the word out intirely. I don't even like the term "mutt".

technodoll
January 25th, 2007, 10:11 AM
LOL i saw a t-shirt that said "you say BITCH like it's a bad thing" :D i actually like the term and often call maika "my little bitch", specially when she's being super-sweet :p

too bad people have basturdized that word to death. what are we supposed to use now, "girl dogs"? :confused: :frustrated:

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 10:21 AM
not sure what word to use, but we will come up with something, i have faith lol

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 11:28 AM
how about the word cadela it is portugues it means the same thing but it sounds better don't you think :laughing:
or how about cagna (italy) :laughing:

hazelrunpack
January 25th, 2007, 11:59 AM
'Bitch' was used for female dogs long before it was applied to women. Same goes for 'slut'. If you look at US tax records during the Civil War, there is a 'slut tax'. :eek: It threw me for a loop until someone told me that the old word for a female dog was a slut. So maybe when 'slut' became a nasty word, the designation was changed to 'bitch' by dog lovers...? :shrug:

What we oughtta be complaining about is that once these otherwise innocuous names start getting applied to women, they take on that nasty connotation! What's with that?! :p The use of the term "cur" for a guy just doesn't have the same nasty taste to it...

Using the term bitch in the proper way doesn't bother me though. I'm with TD...my girls are sweet little bitches when they're on their cuddliest behavior! :thumbs up

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 12:07 PM
I understand that, but since it is use too often as a negative word for women and not just for female dogs, it erks me to no end.

technodoll
January 25th, 2007, 12:09 PM
breeze, you can turn that around though... use the word often in the right context (when speaking to and about your bitches) and your mind will accept the changes eventually :p

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 12:13 PM
This is true technodoll, I try not using the word at all if i can help it, but I will try it in a possitive manner (see if it will work). until then i think i will just use there names lol

Dobb
January 25th, 2007, 12:27 PM
Great posts!! I have to agree with Breeze though,,hate the word, but if used in the right way it is alright.
Dobb

technodoll
January 25th, 2007, 12:34 PM
you should see the looks i get sometimes in public when i speak to or about maika, as being my sweet little bitch! LOL then i explain... it's the correct word for a female dog... i'm surprised at how many people don't know that :eek: :clown:

breeze
January 25th, 2007, 12:38 PM
we should not have to explain the word :frustrated: , that is what i mean the word is used to often for other things.

Golden Girls
January 26th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Am I alone in hating the word BITCH when talking about female dogs?That word makes me cringe as the only one that uses that term is someone who's either in the breeding business or assumes you are

Frenchy
January 26th, 2007, 12:47 PM
That word makes me cringe as the only one that uses that term is someone who's either in the breeding business or assumes you are

:thumbs up I hate the word and when someone uses that term, the first thing I think is that person must be breeding the dog. It's a female to me. Not a bitch aka breeding machine aka I'm making money off my dog (just my opinion, that's what comes to my mind when people use that term) :shrug:

technodoll
January 26th, 2007, 02:24 PM
That word makes me cringe as the only one that uses that term is someone who's either in the breeding business or assumes you are


OMG i SO disagree :eek:

bitch is the correct and designated word for "female dog" just as "sow" is to "pig" and "mare" is to "horse". Cow/bull. Hen/cock. Doe/buck... Just because common dialect has basturdized the word to be an insult to women (and to some men!) doesn't mean its only use today in relation to the female dog is of breeding purposes. it's pretty convoluted, LOL! IMO the only way to correct this gross interpretation is to use the word bitch in its right context often (ie whenever talking about a female dog no matter the age or purpose), to educate the public and to stop being offended for using a correct word for a correct designation :dog: wooof!

but it can still be funny sometimes :D

http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/graphics/fullsize/bchb_lg.gif

http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/graphics/fullsize/bchb_lg.gif

Shamrock
January 26th, 2007, 03:34 PM
It's interesting how using the canine term bitch for women has become an insult, while referring to a man as a "stud" complimentary. :D

Technicallly the bitch is a female dog.. period,that is true.

In canine terms, they both signify an unaltered dog to most, I'd say.
It's just the way it has evolved in common usage.

If all female dogs are bitches, including spayed..what is the counterpart for a neutered male?
Male and bitch sounds odd to me when used together to denote gender for pets.

In the cat world.. an unaltered breeding female is called a queen. ( SO much nicer:cloud9: ) Once spayed.. she's a female.:cat:

erykah1310
January 26th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Its never really bothered me:shrug: the only thing that boggles my mind is... why is a female cat a Queen??? And a female canine is a Bitch?:shrug:

Inisfad
January 26th, 2007, 03:49 PM
If you call a woman a bitch, she doesn't like it. If you call a woman a dog, she doesn't like it either! Ha! Maybe it's just a canine thing! Frankly, at least where I used to live, no one called their female dogs bitches, everything was just a dog. A bitch was reserved for girls you didn't like. Although it is the proper term for a female dog, I think that it is used more (at least in urban and suburban areas) to describe women. Now that I live in a farming area when people do call their female dogs bitches, I still cringe when I hear it.

Frenchy
January 26th, 2007, 08:33 PM
It's interesting how using the canine term bitch for women has become an insult, while referring to a man as a "stud" complimentary. :D


I don't like "stud" either :shrug:

technodoll
January 26th, 2007, 08:39 PM
awe c"mon frenchy... studmuffin! :goodvibes:

Frenchy
January 26th, 2007, 08:45 PM
:laughing: When people use these terms it usually means they are using their dogs for either breeding or something to that effect. It doesn't sound (to me I mean) like their dog is a part of the family,you know what I mean ? On the other hand, I like to be call a b**** ! :p It means I have "caractere".:thumbs up

Prin
January 26th, 2007, 09:29 PM
I don't mind it if the tone is right. But honestly, my female doggies have all been bitches, so it kinda always fits both ways...:o :D

mummummum
January 26th, 2007, 11:50 PM
...just cuz I'm feeling feisty ~ "bitch" is not just used to describe women, it's a fairly common term in the gay community.

I guess it's a word I compartentalize. Female dogs who are unspayed are bitches. Women who are crabby and touchy-about-the-least-slightest-thing (according to men anyway ~ when really, we are just speaking our minds) are bitchy. Yes, so ? If you had one kerzillion punds of hormones weighing down on you , you would be what...meditating??? I don't think so..

The only time I get steamed about the word, is when a man refers to his boyfriend as "his bitch".

EdwinBird
January 27th, 2007, 05:17 PM
I rarely use the word when speaking about a dog (or anyone for that matter!) and when I do, it's usually in playful way and not at all meant in the sense of un-spayed female.

It doesn't bother me when other people use it, but then, I can't recall the last time I heard it in the "proper" sense.

LL1
January 27th, 2007, 05:35 PM
I have never heard anyone not in breeding,aside from those joking around,refer to a female dog as a bitch.And even with breeders I have only heard it used when referring to unspayed females.Much like Tom is for males cats that are not neutered and queen for unspayed female cats.Like gelding and stallion etc

technodoll
January 27th, 2007, 05:45 PM
I have never heard anyone not in breeding,aside from those joking around,refer to a female dog as a bitch

well, you have now! LOL :D

signed,

mommy of the best 'lit bitch ever :lovestruck:

LL1
January 27th, 2007, 06:04 PM
:clown: That sounds like joking around to me.

technodoll
January 27th, 2007, 06:21 PM
yeah... true, true! :goodvibes:

Prin
January 27th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Ok, so we joke. But if I call Boo a dog, why wouldn't I call Jemma a dog too? :shrug:

LL1
January 27th, 2007, 09:32 PM
I would call them both dogs. If the female was intact,some would call her a bitch,if the male was,some would call him a stud.Neutered male and spayed female would be the terms I personally would use for your two.

Frenchy
January 27th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Ok, so we joke. But if I call Boo a dog, why wouldn't I call Jemma a dog too? :shrug:

For those who understand french ; when I speak of my dogs I call my males ; mes chiens but I never called Daisy ; ma chienne. I didn't like it. I called her ; ma femelle. :shrug:

Prin
January 27th, 2007, 10:07 PM
I would call them both dogs. Exactly. Why should they be characterized constantly by gender and reproductive ability? :shrug:

technodoll
January 27th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Why should they be characterized constantly by gender and reproductive ability?

ah, but hence lies the crux of the matter. this "reproductive ability" you talk about is assumed by certain people only, for others the word "bitch" only denotes, correctly, a female dog NO MATTER her state of fertility. The English language, unfortunately, has much suffered at the hands of the people who who speak and distort it on a daily basis. it's also a matter of cultural bias, personal bias, etc (what we are taught to speak & understand). If you look at http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary, you will see the primary and original connotation of the word as well as other derivatives, which are secondary:

Main Entry: 1bitch
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : COMPLAINT


"the female of the dog". PERIOD. nothing to do with her "reproductive abilities". :shrug:

LL1
January 27th, 2007, 11:41 PM
I have no idea Prin.It is not a common thing imo,other than in the breeding world.In the ideal rescue world,the dogs they are referring to are altered. :thumbs up

No interest in link hunting on my part,never heard a breeder or anyone in the show world,rescue world,breeding world,vet world or companion world refer to a spayed female as a bitch,it is not a term for spayed females in the "fancy" or anywhere else ime.

Terms seem pretty clear to me,like many types of animals,reproductive abilities seem part of the descriptor :shrug:

"Spayed = a female cat or dog who has had both ovaries and uterus surgically removed, and is not capable of producing offspring.
Neutered = a male cat or dog who has had both testicles surgically removed, and is not capable of producing offspring. Also known as castration. Some refer to "neutered" as a male or female dog that has been surgically altered to render them sterile (testicles removed or ovaries removed, making them not capable of producing offspring).
Related terms: desexed, fixed, altered
Intact = not spayed or neutered, the animal has reproductive organs capable of producing offspring.
Queen = intact female cat
Tom = intact male cat
Bitch = intact female dog
Dog = intact male dog

For the purpose of this article, intact female cats and dogs will be referred to as the "pet" or "patient". "
Janet Tobiassen Crosby, DVM,







Exactly. Why should they be characterized constantly by gender and reproductive ability? :shrug:

Golden Girls
January 28th, 2007, 02:05 PM
byb's don't name their commodies so to them their bitches - we refer to our females by their name. IMO that word is just vulgar! You can call me a bitch though, that I don't mind :)

rainbow
January 28th, 2007, 04:29 PM
I have rarely used the term (when referring to dogs :D ) but it doesn't bother me if others do. :shrug:

chico2
January 28th, 2007, 05:07 PM
I too cringe when I hear bitch for a dog,it sounds nasty and impersonal,most dogs have names,nobody should be called a bitch IMO...especially not a beautiful female dog,why not just use the word female:confused:
A stud is only good,when describing a gorgeous male,the human variety:D