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need harness... please help!

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 09:49 PM
No choice now, we absolutely must give dakotah's neck a break from any collar for the next 6 months. He is getting balder by the week from the collar rubbing (he pulls... long story) and there is no other solution, head-gear won't work because of his big melon head and i personally can't deal with that.

So. he will wear a harness from now on whenever he leaves the house. it will also hold his tags so no need for any collar... give his neck fur a chance to grow back.

I can't find any that fit him :yell: :sad:

Ideally we want an h-style harness, cotton or nylon (no leather). we'd even love this one: http://www.kristalas.com/harnesses/cottonwebbing.htm Dakotah's chest is currently 38" (girth) so we'd need a 40" in this type, and the largest they make is 37". total bummer.

anybody can help? at this point money is no object! we just want a simple, lightweight, strong, adjustable harness for our boy. why is this so hard??! :confused: i'm frustrated

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 09:54 PM
omg, I tried to help... We got sleddog harnesses specially made for Jemma and Boo a few years ago.. They were super cheap, and padded with the x-back and everything. The site went down last year and I never knew why... Just now, searching for it again, I found out the lady died.. :sad: :sad: :sad:

But maybe that's the way to go? Have somebody make one? It doesn't look too hard. You could maybe use mine as a template...:shrug:

jiorji
January 17th, 2007, 09:55 PM
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Soft-Nylon-Dog-Harness-Size-4-Red-Patterned-NEW_W0QQitemZ110077648434QQihZ001QQcategoryZ66783Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is that too small??

only place i can think of for hard to find things :o

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 09:56 PM
If i could find someone to make it, YES!!! i'm totally stuck at this point though. ghah! :yell:

jiorji
January 17th, 2007, 09:56 PM
But maybe that's the way to go? Have somebody make one?


that's a good idea too but who makes them custom?

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 09:58 PM
No idea. The only sewing machine I have access to isn't strong enough..:rolleyes:

TeriM
January 17th, 2007, 09:59 PM
We have one of these for Riley and it works awesome to help stop pulling. He also doesn't mind it at all when he is running around off leash so it is fairly comfy for him.
: http://www.softouchconcepts.com/products/sense_sation_harness.html
I would order the XL which fits girths 39"-50". Riley is actually in the size slightly big for him but I was able to size it down to fit him and he is still filling out so worked better for him.

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:00 PM
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Soft-Nylon-Dog-Ha...QQcmdZViewItem
is that too small??

yeah... and no plastic buckles, they're not strong enough... need metal buckles and hardware. also only want to buy from canada or the us :o see? it is sooo hard! but i won't give up... am :pray: that someone here has a good lead for me :o

jiorji
January 17th, 2007, 10:00 PM
oohhh this one??

http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=19

jiorji
January 17th, 2007, 10:01 PM
no forget that link i didn't read teh dimensions :sad:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:02 PM
What about this one:
http://www.blackicedogsledding.com/page3.html#walking

jiorji
January 17th, 2007, 10:04 PM
this leather one says it can go to 41"

http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:04 PM
TeriM, i saw that harness but it's too flimsy for our purposes... dakotah can be a monster to handle and we really need something solid, something we can grab onto if the need arises, something he won't break out of... like this: http://www.kristalas.com/harnesses/689cotton.htm :o

4thedogs
January 17th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Is it the head harness you are saying you can't find the right size for.

Superpet carries the Xlg gentle leader and it will fit your guy.

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:06 PM
What about this one:
http://www.blackicedogsledding.com/page3.html#walking

YEESS!!! i love it! gonna investigate it more... :highfive: :D

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:06 PM
I think sled dog harnesses might be the way to go. They have to make some for mals right? And mals are pretty huge... And they're meant to pull a ton of weight...

http://www.kondosoutdoors.com/harness.php

Rottielover
January 17th, 2007, 10:08 PM
http://www.akkosports.com/ She is in hudson and makes them herself. I got harleys sledding harness from her. And she is really sweet

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:08 PM
http://www.prairiedogsupply.mb.ca/harnca.htm

These guys might specially make some for you... They add padding and stuff, so maybe... And they're in Manitoba, so it's a bit easier for the $$.

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:09 PM
this leather one says it can go to 41"

http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index....PROD&ProdID=12


ohhh wow that's just gorgeous :lovestruck: but...overkill... dakotah would get sooo hot in the summer with that :o i don't want leather for a harness, too... doesn't breath, in -20C it freezes up, etc. getting there, getting there... really appreciate all your help everyone :cloud9:

ps: 4thedogs, i don't want a head-halter for various reasons, looking for a harness only... but thank you for the suggestion :)

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:10 PM
http://www.akkosports.com/ She is in hudson and makes them herself. I got harleys sledding harness from her. And she is really sweet

Oo I didn't know about that one! :) My friends mom even did the art on her page. How funny is that?! :D

Edited to add: I think the FH model would be the best... Padded, wide shoulders...

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:12 PM
OK so far this is the best one: http://www.blackicedogsledding.com/page3.html#walking am waiting for a reply from kristalas.com to see if they make the harness i like in bigger sizes (i doubt it but never hurts to ask...) and if not, i may go with the one above! hope they ship quickly... this is getting urgent :o

Rottielover
January 17th, 2007, 10:14 PM
The woman is really nice, and lookie, she feeds her dogs raw, LOL.
You can bring Dakota for a measuring, I did with harley, and it is made within a week.
She even showed me how to set up for sled pulling. She is great
Harley has the FH model, extra padding

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:23 PM
OK so far this is the best one: http://www.blackicedogsledding.com/page3.html#walking am waiting for a reply from kristalas.com to see if they make the harness i like in bigger sizes (i doubt it but never hurts to ask...) and if not, i may go with the one above! hope they ship quickly... this is getting urgent :o

Umm.. I think the xback Rottielover posted would actually be better. The walking harness still has a collar, whereas the xback goes up the shoulders to cross in the middle of the back. Might give Dakotah's neck a rest...:o JMO...

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 10:27 PM
that's why i am really looking for an h-style harness... guess my original post slid down the pile by now, LOL! see? exactly what we want... just need to find one big enough... and in cotton webbing or nylon :o

http://leatherbrothers.com/Harnesses/Leather/171C.htm

i don't want to give dakotah more reason to pull than he already does, so i want to stay away from any "made for pulling" harnesses, know what i mean? can't be too comfortable for him to pull :eek: :dog:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM
That one, IMO, is going to snap where the chest strap meets the rest.. Look at where the forces would go. It's not made for pulling at all...

It won't make him pull more (the xback), IMO... But it will be easier for you to handle him without chafing...:shrug:

TeriM
January 17th, 2007, 10:39 PM
TeriM, i saw that harness but it's too flimsy for our purposes... dakotah can be a monster to handle and we really need something solid, something we can grab onto if the need arises, something he won't break out of... like this: http://www.kristalas.com/harnesses/689cotton.htm :o

Woops, I actually gave you the page for the cheap version. The one we have is actually 1 inch nylon and very well constructed with welded metal rings. It has also been amazing for the pulling, Riley could drag me down the street before but doesn't pull hardly at all now even when he is totally hiped out and wired.
http://www.softouchconcepts.com/products/sense_sation_harness.html

Aimster
January 17th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Not sure if this is what you're looking for:

http://www.puplife.com/dogsupplies/lfph.html

I'm not too keen on the flowers but they have larger sizes. I'm not sure whether you can get a harness with a width larger than 1", I'm sure that something wider would be a bit easier, not so much pressure on one point, might spread it out.

I Googled freight harness too and found a few harnesses (sp?) but again they're for pulling not what you're looking for but some of them kind of looked like a typical harness.

I don't know if I'm any help :shrug: :shrug:

x.l.r.8
January 17th, 2007, 10:42 PM
not sure if this will help, we have a 'Vest Harness from Canine friendly products' from Global, it's for car travel and is usable for walking, it may get you out of a situation, there designed to stop a dog becoming a missile in event of a crash and we use it for playtime in case we need to grab Riley. It's nicely padded and is adjustable. Just may buy you some time till you got one made.

Aimster
January 17th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Perhaps this one:

http://www.dog.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=100790+SM

Plastic buckles but they claim to be high-impact.

x.l.r.8
January 17th, 2007, 10:59 PM
http://www.caninefriendly.com/ I know it's not what you are looking for but if you need something quick.

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 11:13 PM
wow... i'll have to digest all this info tomorrow, it's a bit daunting right now, LOL! been surfing most of the evening for a dang harness and my eyes are crossing... many good suggestions here... :goodvibes:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 11:41 PM
This is Boo's... It's got more of a collar than the Hudson lady's xback...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h213/Princi9009/Jemma%20and%20Boo%20Jan%20Feb%202007/IMG_6282.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h213/Princi9009/Jemma%20and%20Boo%20Jan%20Feb%202007/IMG_6283.jpg

He LOVES it. :D
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h213/Princi9009/Jemma%20and%20Boo%20Jan%20Feb%202007/IMG_6279.jpg

technodoll
January 17th, 2007, 11:52 PM
boo! so chic! :D :thumbs up

i need a harness that i can walk both beanies on a coupler, and any "dogsled" harness won't do... the buckle for any leash is down where the tail is, while maika has her plain collar on, would be so awkward... plus to control dakotah on the crowded city sidewalks i need a close grip on him = need a buckle up near the top of the shoulders.

see why i need help? LOL :clown:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 11:55 PM
But you could have the leash further down and then grab up near the neck when you need him closer...:shrug:

I think you'll have to ditch the coupler if you want any hope in getting him under control. :o

technodoll
January 18th, 2007, 12:05 AM
can't ditch the coupler... two leashes are just too messy and useless in the city specially in the winter with gloves and such, i mean i literally trip, they get sooo tangled up, get wrapped around parking meters and when they see another dog OMG don't even go there :o LOL

i haven't lost courage yet... i know the perfect harness is out there. i just have to keep digging and begging for help :love:

Prin
January 18th, 2007, 12:06 AM
What we do with our doggies is just wrap each leash around each hand.. No muss, no fuss, gloves or not. :shrug: I've never had a coupler for my doggies.

technodoll
January 18th, 2007, 12:12 AM
tell you what... you come visit and walk the beanies for 30 minutes in my neighborhood with two leashes and we'll talk after :D mine are just not that coherent on two leashes... :evil: ALSO my neck & back problems don't allow for that kind of acrobatics AND i'm often carrying a full poop bag (garbages are few and far apart...) or other things in one hand.

hey! i need a third arm! :D :goodvibes:

i've been thinking about this one BUT the leash loop is too far down the back... http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=19

Prin
January 18th, 2007, 12:18 AM
That one looks like it'll chafe like mad... :o The front strap looks sharp.

Tell you what, if you train them individually, it might not be so hard to walk them together... Even though my doggies are fine on leash, I still take them out alone at least a couple times a month for training reinforcement. :shrug: I just think that with your back in the shape that it is, it's so important to work with him individually.:o

I just think that you have to forgo the convenience of walking them both at the same time for the convenience of walking them comfortably and peacefully later... Everytime you stick the coupler on, Dakotah understands that he's got free reign because you don't have control with the coupler without torturing Maika too, so any training flies out the window... :shrug: IMO, first comes the good walking and then comes the coupler and you won't get the good walking with them both with you at the same time.:shrug:

jiorji
January 18th, 2007, 12:48 AM
tell you what... you come visit and walk the beanies for 30 minutes in my neighborhood


i'll walk Dakotah :cloud9: he loves me :lovestruck: :lovestruck:

Scott_B
January 18th, 2007, 07:24 AM
I really like these ones

http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=203

And know a few people who have them for their bullmastiffs. The handle on the back is very nice as well, if you need to hold on to em for any reason.

pitgrrl
January 18th, 2007, 09:42 AM
I know a bunch of people who have gotten harnesses from this woman and are super happy with them. I'm pretty sure she'll do costum stuff aswell.

http://itsmysite.com/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=2&domain=1&webdir=cdpits

(scroll down to get to the walking harnesses)

technodoll
January 18th, 2007, 10:18 AM
I am still waiting for news from kristalas.com... and have bookmarked a few of the suggested sites below to follow up on. thanks sooo much everyone, i know i'll find something for the big bean! :highfive:

OntarioGreys
January 18th, 2007, 10:24 AM
I agree for a dog your size stay away from the nylon buckles and slides.

I do have a book somewhere here that provides breaking strengths and they are way to low for me to trust with 80 pound greyhounds never mind your babies.


If you can find someone near you who has a heavy duty industrial machine, most home machines cannot handle the heavier nylon threads you need in the bobbin. you can get the Hardware & webbing you feel most comfortable with and get the style you want, it must be sewn with nylon thread either #69 or #92
ebay is probably the best place to look for thread, there is plenty of colours available , just type in Nylon thread and look for the #


This person sells hardware and is available in low quantity all prices shown include shipping to Canada, so no shipping cost surprises

They even have metal side release buckles and horse halter hardware, solid brass hardware etc

http://www.cdwplus.com/singlemenuM.html

Nylon webbing is stronger and more abrasion resistant than polypro webbing, cotton webbing can rot and is easier damaged by UV, so your best bet is to go with nylon, would need to seal the ends with heat, use a flame and smooth with a knife.

http://dogbooties.com/webbing1.html

http://www.seattlefabrics.com/webbing.html#X630_Nylon_Webbing

technodoll
January 18th, 2007, 02:25 PM
OK the temporary solution: i ordered a car harness "seatbelt" for dakotah from my favorite store www.petsupplyhouse.com, it will be here within two days, it should fit and it wasn't very expensive... we had one for him when he was younger (gave it to my brother last year), so i know it will work for walks. it's a quick step-in model, fully adjustable and with a wide padded chest strap... it is nylon and unfortunately has those plastic snap buckles BUT if it can withstand the force of a car crash, it can withstand a leashed walk, IMO :fingerscr anyways in the meantime we'll either keep looking for the perfect harness OR it will "do us" for the next few months until his neck fur has grown back in :o please, wish us luck... i'll post photos, promise!

technodoll
January 25th, 2007, 11:00 PM
well OK the package arrived yesterday and the harness is perfect :thumbs up fits well, still has some loose in case we need to adjust, is padded in the front, is light, strong, and very easy to put on/ take off. we'll still order the other, stronger military harness (dakotah's size will be in stock in a few weeks, confirmed by the store - i am sooo happy!)

anyways here is the happy bean modeling his new outfit! NO MORE COLLARS until the summer, maybe longer if needed. His tags are on his harness and he won't leave home without it.

front view, padded belt:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/technodoll/maika%20new%20bed/halter1.jpg

from the side... it looks snug behind his elbow but it really isn't, if there is every any chafing we will loosen it a bit more:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/technodoll/maika%20new%20bed/halter3.jpg

top view, love the quick-snap (strong enough to resist a car crash... good 'nuff) and the double-loops to attach the leash:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/technodoll/maika%20new%20bed/halter2.jpg

see the pink neck? yes that IS a freckle! it's pathetically bald... :yell: so consider this the "before" photo... in a few months i'll post an update, hopefully some fur will start to grow now :fingerscr

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/technodoll/maika%20new%20bed/halter4.jpg

jiorji
January 25th, 2007, 11:05 PM
awww the baby's all handsome:lovestruck: Kissy for his bald neck spot :p

Scott_B
January 26th, 2007, 07:39 AM
He is very handsome isnt he! :grouphug:

technodoll
January 26th, 2007, 02:44 PM
handsome maybe, in need of a bath most certainly! :p

so this morning's first walk & park play session with the halter was reported to be (by my man) totally :thumbs up so it's lookin' good... lookin' good. :highfive:

~michelle~
January 26th, 2007, 03:21 PM
spiffy new harness mister!!!! hopefully his little bald spot will grow back in soon wow hes really bald there, but hes still a mighty fine looking puppy!

technodoll
January 26th, 2007, 03:25 PM
yep half of his neck is as bare as a baby's bottom :eek: :frustrated: i'm really hoping this is the solution for the big beanie :pray:

Prin
January 26th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Soo uhh.. do you kiss his baby bottom? :D

Lookin' good in his new harness.:)

mummummum
January 26th, 2007, 10:45 PM
Holy Hannah TD ~ you must have biceps the size of uhhh..triceps (?!:D ) if he's pulled so hard to be that bald. I hope this harness works out for you !

technodoll
January 27th, 2007, 12:05 AM
he he no i try to avoid "that spot" prin :D it really grosses me out though. he looks like a rescued junkyard dog that was on a chain all his life :sad: and he ONLY wears a collar when he's out of the house, which isn't that much at all actually in a 24 hour work day. we started to notice a thinning around his neck 2 years ago, and last summer it was horrendous, it almost bled in spots! :eek: :yell: so it's not that he pulls HARD it's that he pulls CONSTANTLY. chafe chafe chafe. i have to say he is much, much better now with all the training, i think we're slowly getting there. :pray: