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Jemma's going under...

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 11:47 AM
So we went to the doggy dentist and "teethy disaster" was an understatement...

He's pulling out the root of her front tooth and the one that fell out last week. He's also pulling out one of her molars that was broken because it's dead... He shocked it to see if it had any feeling and it didn't, and he went to show me on another tooth what her reaction should have been and he went all the way to 10 (highest power) on that tooth and she didn't feel anything either... :eek: And that was a "good one". :( So he's xraying that one to see if it's alive or not and if it isn't, he's extracting it too.

Soooo, yeah, I'm jemma-less today and it's kinda weird and scary... :o

(original thread, in case anybody missed it... http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=35126 )

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 11:51 AM
OMG! :grouphug: :grouphug: and extra :grouphug: this just sucks. but she's in good hands, he's a fine dentist-vet, very caring and very thorough... you know he will do a good job. just feel bad for poor jemma, uughh. does he have any idea what might be causing her teeth to whack out at such a young age? :confused: i have a morbid fear of tooth loss :o

hang in there prin.. just :pray: you don't have to sell your car to pay for the treatments :sad:

Hunter's_owner
January 16th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Oh Prin, I'm so sorry. I was hoping it would be a simple thing that he would fix in 5 minutes and that would be all of it.:sad:
:grouphug: :grouphug:
:goodvibes: :fingerscr for Jemma's surgery:o

erykah1310
January 16th, 2007, 11:52 AM
:grouphug: To you and Jemma

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 12:01 PM
My dad is helping me out on this one. :o :cloud9: His doggy has been to this dentist and my dad thinks he's a great guy and what he says is necessary and feels Jemma really needs it enough to lend me the money for it. I'm so grateful. :o

Hunter's_owner
January 16th, 2007, 12:04 PM
My dad is helping me out on this one. :o :cloud9: His doggy has been to this dentist and my dad thinks he's a great guy and what he says is necessary and feels Jemma really needs it enough to lend me the money for it. I'm so grateful. :o

That's great Prin. :highfive: to your dad.

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Yeah. :highfive: indeed. I never ask my dad for money ever, so he kinda knew it was "exceptional circumstances".:o I'm glad I have a dad.:)

erykah1310
January 16th, 2007, 12:11 PM
:highfive: :thumbs up Prins dad!!!:thumbs up

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 12:17 PM
now THAT is good news! :highfive: for prin's dad! :lovestruck:

Tommysmom
January 16th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Aww, I'm so sorry to hear about her teeth. Hope everything goes well and she's home soon!

joeysmama
January 16th, 2007, 12:21 PM
Oh no !! :grouphug: for Jemma ! :grouphug: for Prin ! and :grouphug: :grouphug: for Prin's dad !!! Will she come home today? Have you gotten an update from the doctor yet? I hope all goes well and we'll be seiing pics of Jemma's "happy smile" (okay growlies, but they're just as cute) really soon !

Frenchy
January 16th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Good luck Jemma ! Will she be able to eat her kibble ? :confused:

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 12:31 PM
Yeah, she comes home tonight.. I don't know about the kibbles.. I'll ask when he calls.:o

Skryker
January 16th, 2007, 12:38 PM
:goodvibes: and :grouphug: for Jemma-I just saw this thread now. Poor girl. :fingerscr that everything goes well.

jessi76
January 16th, 2007, 12:56 PM
sending good vibes your way for miss jemma (and you too)!

x.l.r.8
January 16th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Ahh, I have been too busy looking on petfinder to notice the thread. i realy feel for you, and poor Jemma :grouphug: hope with a good dentist and x-rays he can give you some indication of what happened and any likely hood af future complications. Just don't let him try and sell you any special food off his shelf's ;) Oh! I guess you already knew that :D Riley also sends a big sloppy one your way :dog:
And just to defend us blokes, the back rub ratio goes up when pets are involved :p because I know the cats really don't need new shoes. Wishing you the best of luck.

Scott_B
January 16th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Poor Jemma. :grouphug:

Rottielover
January 16th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Hang in there, only a couple more hours. I am sure she did great. Pawsative vibes from Harley:highfive:

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Thanks everybody. :o No word yet... Of course, he probably just started the surgeries at 1ish..

I'm so glad we have a doggy dentist here. He's doing a full xray of her mouth, so we should get a good idea of what's going on. Makes me worry a bit about Boo too though. They've been on the same foods till recently and he's got one chipped tooth too. :o Maybe the way they play together is the culprit and you can't really change that, can you? :rolleyes:

Hunter's_owner
January 16th, 2007, 01:36 PM
No, you can't change the way they play. Also genetics has a lot to do with teeth, imo. And you can't change that either.;)

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Probably has to do with the blue eyes. :p

We'll see what he says... :fingerscr

Lukka'sma
January 16th, 2007, 01:41 PM
OMG, I am so sorry to hear that Jemma had to have surgery. It must be so scary to sit and wonder how things are going at the vet office......Wait I hear the Vet Money Sucking Machine starting up..... do you hear it Prin??
Hope she has a speedy recovery and not too much discomfort, will check to see update after work tonight at 11:30pm. Good luck to Jemma

TeriM
January 16th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Awww, poor Jemma. I'm sure she will feel so much better when this is done. Hugs to you both :grouphug: .

TeriM
January 16th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Oh, and another hug just for Boo just because :lovestruck: .

mafiaprincess
January 16th, 2007, 02:27 PM
OMG Prin, Poor Jemma...
I thought the toothy disaster had ended okay and you just needed to keep an eye on it!! We send :grouphug:

Inisfad
January 16th, 2007, 02:30 PM
Thumbs up to your dad. I hope everything goes well - I'm sure it will - and Jemma will be good as new in no time. Hang in there!

hazelrunpack
January 16th, 2007, 02:36 PM
:grouphug: Sorry to hear that Jemma needed surgery! Have you heard anything, yet? :fingerscr The Pack sends as much magical healing setter spittle as you need and slobbery snuffly kissies for Jemma (and Boo cuz he's probably feeling lonely today). :grouphug:

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 03:14 PM
Still no news... And Boo is pretty lonely, lol. He won't even sit outside all day. He just wants to lie there and mope...:o

hazelrunpack
January 16th, 2007, 03:23 PM
That's what our guys do when one or more are missing, too... You just feel like giving them all :grouphug:s... :sad:

I wish you'd hear something...it's hard to wait... *sound of fingers drumming on table and deep sighs*

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Yeah, he doesn't even seem to want hugs.:o He didn't tell me that I didn't feed him either... :o

It's true though, like TeriM says, Jemma will probably be a lot more comfortable after this... But in the meantime, it is kinda like getting her wisdom teeth out, no? :eek:

Shamrock
January 16th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Oh, I'm sorry to hear this Prin! Aww, poor Jemma..


That is SO great that your Dad helped you out.:thumbs up Kudos to him for this assistance in these special circumstances.

I know how anxious and worried you'll be till she's home again... and how empty the place must feel without your honey. You must be just pacing the floor..:sad:

:grouphug: a hug for you, and one for Jemma.:grouphug: . Will be watching for an update on her return.

Maya
January 16th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Hope it goes well. Recovery time is important, you know all about diet and stuff so she'll do okay.:fingerscr

cpietra16
January 16th, 2007, 04:07 PM
OMG Prin....I'm glad you noticed her broken tooth or imagine the pain she would have suffered if this went on for months....poor baby. Good luck . Poor Jemma. Glad your dad is so understanding and caring

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Thanks... I just called because I was getting worried and they just started on her 10 minutes ago. :eek: :o They're calling me when it's done.:fingerscr

I'm so glad I brought her in the car just to go get dog food. I'm always cold in the car, so the heat was jacked up and that made her pant and I saw the tooth or lack thereof.....

Stacer
January 16th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I'm another oblivous person, just seeing this thread now. I really hope that Jemma will come out of the surgery and feel good in her teeths. Waiting is the hardest part.

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Yes... She's been under for an hour and 15 mins now... *looks at watch again* :yell: :fingerscr

Joey.E.CockersMommy
January 16th, 2007, 06:28 PM
poor Jemma - she'll be okay.....Joey has gone under twice now - once for his teeth and then for his ears. :grouphug:

jawert1
January 16th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Oh Prin, I'm so sorry Jemma's going through this :grouphug: :grouphug: Hang in there and much love to your Dad coming through :highfive:

wdawson
January 16th, 2007, 06:42 PM
prin sorry to here about jemma......she will be fine and i sure she will feel even better now those bad teeth are gone.

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 07:11 PM
Ok, she's out!!! :highfive: They managed to spare one of the molars!! :highfive: It looked ok on the xray, so they shocked it again and she was normal!

It's kind of funny and super sad, but I think she was resisting when they tested it before when I was there because I said "sit still"... :o She took it all the way to 10 on his little electric zapper thing and I think she felt it all along.:o :o So they zapped it at setting 1, then 2 and so on all the way to 10 and then when they got no reaction, they moved to the canine, and zapped at one and then she reacted... So I'm thinking, she was being a really good girl and sitting still and then when they moved to the next tooth, she was all, "No way, I've had it with this shock crap." :D

Anyway, I go get her at 8:30.:thumbs up :lovestruck:

Tommysmom
January 16th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Yay Jemma! I'm glad to hear everything's ok... bet you'll be glad to get her home tonight:)

TeriM
January 16th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Awesome news. My vet said that those molars are really brutal to take out so it's great that she gets to keep one.

Big hugs to the angel :angel: for being such a good girl :grouphug: .

Extra hug for Boo :lovestruck: .

Byrd
January 16th, 2007, 07:24 PM
It's kind of funny and super sad, but I think she was resisting when they tested it before when I was there because I said "sit still"... :o She took it all the way to 10 on his little electric zapper thing and I think she felt it all along.:o

Don't feel guilty, I don't think how much she was obeying and sitting still she could have resisted it. The vet probably didn't have it on right.

One more hour and you get her back!!!! Glad she's okay. :D

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 07:29 PM
There's no doubt he had it on right though... :o

Thanks! :) Yeah, this hour is going to be long...:o

Scott_B
January 16th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Glad to hear she made it through ok. :grouphug:

phoenix
January 16th, 2007, 07:53 PM
:highfive: good girl Jemma!

I'm glad that she is getting what she needs (no surprise there :thumbs up ) and that she's okay. Enjoy the reunion... half an hour to go!

Frenchy
January 16th, 2007, 07:58 PM
Good for Jemma, I hope it's not as painful as us getting a wisdom tooth out, I still have nightmares about it.

Byrd
January 16th, 2007, 07:59 PM
There's no doubt he had it on right though... :o

:shrug: I tried.

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 08:06 PM
woohooo! that's fantastic news! :highfive: he sure is a good dentist!! hope she's not too knocked out by the anaesthesia :goodvibes:

rainbow
January 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM
Well, I just read this thread now....that's what I get for starting in the TJT thread when I got back. :o

Hugs for you and Jemma :grouphug: :grouphug: and I hope she recovers okay. :fingerscr :goodvibes: :fingerscr

rainbow
January 16th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Oh, and I forgot to say kudos to your dad. :highfive: :thumbs up

Stacer
January 16th, 2007, 10:06 PM
How's Jemma? It's 10:05.

cpietra16
January 16th, 2007, 10:14 PM
I'm glad Jemma made it thru...how is she tonight?

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 10:22 PM
waiting for jemma news... tap... tap...tap... :confused:

Byrd
January 16th, 2007, 10:25 PM
She's probably getting tonnes of cuddles. :confused:

Shamrock
January 16th, 2007, 10:32 PM
So glad this is completed Prin, and Jemma's back home with you.:grouphug:
Watching for the evening update now on how your dear one is feeling:goodvibes:

Aimster
January 16th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Poor Jemma! I hate the dentist, she's probably taking it better than I would. I wish her a speedy recovery!!

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Yeah, she was getting cuddles..:o Now she's asleep on our bed. She was kind of restless and then asked to go up there and we haven't seen her since.:D

She's very wobbly on her feets and her tongue is out, lol. My poor baby. :o

Even though they didn't extract the second full molar, the price was the same as the estimate because the root of the broken tooth took so long to get out. I mean, she was in there for about 2.5 hours.:eek:

But the rest of her teeth look ok from the xrays. They're almost all chipped to some degree, but still ok. She didn't even need a "detartrage".. uhh.. de-tartaring? :D

rainbow
January 16th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Poor Jemma.....she's going to be a little "out of it" until tomorrow. :grouphug: And, I bet Boo knows there's "something wrong" with his little sister too. :lovestruck:

Hugs from me. :grouphug: :grouphug:

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 10:49 PM
she'll be 100% fine by tomorrow.... girls are tough cookies! :lovestruck:

Peepmouse
January 16th, 2007, 10:53 PM
:D So glad that Jemma's home with you tonite!:grouphug: Hope she feels better soon so we can see some more not so teethy grins!:goodvibes::fingerscr :)

wdawson
January 16th, 2007, 10:56 PM
good news then.....?

just wait till morning when she plays the sympathy thing with you,ouch i cant eat,ouch i cant drink....mom i need hugs....can you hand feed me:D

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 11:10 PM
Boo already tried to bully her.:D She was lying there, and he was like, "Harummph! Get off that bed!" lol (Of course, he didn't get away with it...)

Jemma gets canned food for 10 days and pain killers for 4. I don't think she'll be all roses and giggles tomorrow.:o

Smiley14
January 16th, 2007, 11:14 PM
Oh Prin, I just saw this now! I'm so glad Jemma's ok!!!! Ugh, I hate when they have to go under...waiting is the worst! Poor baby needs lots of spoiling now!
Do they know what caused the teeth to die like that?

CyberKitten
January 16th, 2007, 11:15 PM
Just saw this thread now - Awwwwwwwwwwwwww!! Poor Jenna, I am not fond of seeing dentists either - a certain pediatric dentist who I carpool with excluded. I hope she'' recover quickly! It reminds me of when mine have had surgery, they are all wobbly and so disoriented and you don't want them to be in any pain and like babies, they can't tell you exactly how they feel - you have to listen, diagnose the best you can and figure it out.

I would hate that "electric shock thing" too. Sounds like something from the dark ages. I always ask my dentists' friends why - in the year 2007 - tho say 2006 (I have not yet asked anyone this Q this yr yet, lol) we still have ancient ways in the world of dentistry. Oh I know we have good drugs and great cosmetic stuff but we still have not figured out how we can say, great lasers for children so that the treatment will last and be effective. I love laser therapy in dentistry, even if the results do not always last. Lasers can remove the fear of dental care: no more scary noise of the whining high-speed, strong vibrations of the slow-speed handpiece, smell of cut tooth particles and best of elimination of the need for local anesthesia (read no needles with local anesthesia. meds) The CDA opposed laser treatments for so long - and still have some aversion to them (Their official position is one of those masterpieces that says nothing - sort of if you get sued because it does not work, you're on your own.), esp in pediatric dentistry which I have heard ad nauseam shall we say, lol (And as much as I loathe anecdotal stuff - I have laser work done in Fla and yes, it does not last but I don't care - if all I have to do is visit a great dentist in Fla who uses lasers every 10-15 years, I do not care). And if I were a child, I would not care either tho I do have to say I could not condone that in children either (ie a treatment that does not last). I had an implant that required removal and "fixing" - to make a long explanation short, lol - and while the CDA's own research says this work is contraindicated because it would leave a crater like formation of the implant surface. They did not however study every kind of laser available. There are some good results with CO2 lasers and peri-implant probs in other countries tho so I am going to the Fla in a few weeks to see my parents and a dentist, lol

I bet vets use lasers on pets all the time. (Which means my cats may be getting better dental care than me in Canada anyway, lol)

Seriously, I hope Jenna will feel fine soon - and I am sure she will. She'll also - since she has you wrapped around all 4 of her paws - will milk it for all it's worth it but hey, that's what moms are for, right?

Get well soon, Jenna!

(sorry for the diversion - dentistry is not my fav topic, lol)

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 11:22 PM
I would hate that "electric shock thing" too. Sounds like something from the dark ages. I always ask my dentists' friends why - in the year 2007 - tho say 2006 (I have not yet asked anyone this Q this yr yet, lol) we still have ancient ways in the world of dentistry.
No, the shock thing is just to test if there's feeling in the tooth. It's generally really mild and just an uncomfortable buzz, and they only up the level if the dog doesn't react. IMO, it's necessary since the doggies can't otherwise answer if they have feeling in a tooth or not.:shrug:

As far as humane, anyway, don't forget this dentist is the one who really, strongly advises root canals rather than extractions. He says it's far more humane. If I had the extra $800 lying around... ;)


Do they know what caused the teeth to die like that?Well, they only removed one dead one (the other one turned out to be alive). The dead one was broken, and the pulp had died (or had done whatever pulp does to lose feeling...:o). He didn't mention anything about the teeth looking weaker than normal or anything, so I'm guessing it's just hard playing and chewing...:o

hazelrunpack
January 16th, 2007, 11:25 PM
Glad to hear she's home and comfy on the bed. :D Lots of :grouphug:s and :goodvibes: for a quick recovery!

technodoll
January 16th, 2007, 11:59 PM
no more chewing on rocks for Jemma! or whatever it is she does in the deep dark hours of the morning when her mom is asleep and her daddy is at work :D :evil:

seriously. she is so gonna love the canned food part... :cloud9:

Prin
January 16th, 2007, 11:59 PM
Yep, lucky I have a stash of Evo rabbit... Still haven't tried it.:o :confused:

CyberKitten
January 17th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Oh OK, thx for the explanation - it was just that something referred to as "that shocking thing" sounded rather outdated and scary, <g> Glad to hear he is a good vet - sounds like it actually.

Here's hoping for as quick recovery! (But I am sure you will help Jenna in that!) :)

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 12:21 AM
Thanks! :) This vet is the best! He's the only dental specialist around. :cloud9: He could have charged me $100 extra for a tartar removal, but right after looking at her more closely, he took it off the table. I thought that was pretty honest of him.:lovestruck:

Smiley14
January 17th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Well, they only removed one dead one (the other one turned out to be alive). The dead one was broken, and the pulp had died (or had done whatever pulp does to lose feeling...:o). He didn't mention anything about the teeth looking weaker than normal or anything, so I'm guessing it's just hard playing and chewing...:o

Oh that's a relief! I was afraid she had some weird gum disease, LOL! Poor Jemma, what a life, playing too hard. :D So glad she's ok though!

Hunter's_owner
January 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM
Great news about Jemma Prin:thumbs up
Good to hear that she is home and there is nothing serious going on.

Hopefully she will feel a little better today than she did last night.
Give her lots of hugs and kisses, and to Boo too (although I am sure I don't need to tell you that:o ):grouphug:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 11:44 AM
She's better today. Very licky (licking her teeth all the time) and was VERY happy to eat the Evo Rabbit canned... :D Let's hope she digests it....:o

She slept hard last night too. No movement at all.:cloud9:

Frenchy
January 17th, 2007, 12:43 PM
Glad Jemma's back with her mommy. Rabbit hey ? I bet you she won't be happy going back to her kibble in 10 days, no waaaayyyy !

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 12:50 PM
lol Jemma isn't too picky... I only gave her 1/2 of a 1/2 a portion... Hopefully because it's so little, she'll be able to digest it..:fingerscr

Dog Dancer
January 17th, 2007, 02:10 PM
Just saw this thread today Prin, kinda glad I only found it when Jemma was okay again so I didn't have to worry with you all. I got to skim forward and read the end as it were.

Kudo's to Dad for helping out. My mother would certainly be hard pressed to lend me money for the dogs. My son would, but not sure about Mom. But BF would come across if we needed to anyhow so no worries. But so glad Jemma is recovering well now.

Speedy recovery all the way for her. Good mommy Prin. How's Boo doing today? Is he happy again?

Mahealani770
January 17th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Hey Prin, I just saw this thread a few minutes ago so I'm glad to see that Jemma is fine. How nice of your Dad! Good luck with the healing process Princess Jemma! :grouphug: :pawprint:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Thanks.:) She's doing alright. Still pretty tired, but determined to eat any crunchy things that are available to her. :frustrated: :D

Byrd
January 17th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Can you not just soften up her regular food so she doesn't suffer belly discomforts?

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Yeah... I could do that eh? :o But that wouldn't make her special for 10 days...:D She seems to be ok on the rabbit so far..:fingerscr It's a simple formula, which probably makes it easier on her. Just rabbit.

Skryker
January 17th, 2007, 05:45 PM
:thumbs up Glad Jemma came through OK, and with 1 less pulled toothy. :goodvibes: for a speedy healing (and that you catch her with the crunchy stuff before she does any damage. :p

rainbow
January 17th, 2007, 06:27 PM
I agree with Byrd and would just soften her regular kibble then you can just add a wee bit of the canned to make it "special". :D Glad she is feeling better today. Give her some hugs for me. :grouphug:

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 09:09 PM
She's ok.:) Boo started barking again, lol. He stopped when Jemma was gone and today he was letting it alllllll out.:D He pretends he doesn't care, but he's happy that she's home. You can see it in his eyes.:) :cloud9:

Jemma's on the Barking at the moon... I'm not sure a) it would soften easily- they're very hard kibbles... and b) that I would tolerate the smell of it soaking...:yuck:

BEDPhoto
January 21st, 2007, 03:41 PM
Glad she's feeling better! and don't say its because of the blue eyes :P


:grouphug:

Prin
January 21st, 2007, 08:04 PM
lol thanks! :) There are pics of the work they did here:
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=35442