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why you should neuter your pets

paula383
December 18th, 2006, 05:48 AM
watch this only if you feel you can, very upsetting :sad: http://brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx

technodoll
December 18th, 2006, 09:58 AM
anything to do with abandoned pets and shelters is terribly sad and terribly wrong... neutering and spaying is a big step but despite all the progress made in this direction... why haven't we seen a decline in homeless pets by now? :( it's human education and responsibility that is lacking, IMO... as long as pets are seen as commodities and not living creatures, this is what we're stuck with and all the neutering and spaying in the world won't help IMO :sad:

erykah1310
December 18th, 2006, 12:57 PM
I saw that video a little while back, so sad.:sad:
I cant watch it again.:(

Prin
December 18th, 2006, 01:08 PM
why haven't we seen a decline in homeless pets by now? Because so many people think they're the exception to the rule.

erykah1310
December 18th, 2006, 01:11 PM
Id say the cost of spaying and neutering is the big kicker. Around here you're looking at about $500 for a spay:eek: I know if you want to have a pet you should have the money to properly care for it, BUT the reality of it is, anyone can have a pet ( regardless if they should or not) and in the end its the "owners" choice on speutereing:shrug: It sucks, but its the way the cookie crumbles right now.:(

technodoll
December 18th, 2006, 01:12 PM
prin i agree and that is why i said the Education and Responsibility are a far bigger influencing factor than just S&N alone... they need to go hand-in-hand. it's disgusting how pets are seen as disposable commodities :(

Prin
December 18th, 2006, 01:12 PM
There are always ways around that $500, erykah. If you really wanted to do it, you'd find a way (and that doesn't necessarily mean by paying $500).

Prin
December 18th, 2006, 01:13 PM
prin i agree and that is why i said the Education and Responsibility are a far bigger influencing factor than just S&N alone... they need to go hand-in-hand. it's disgusting how pets are seen as disposable commodities :(

Education and responsibility don't matter, because these people are the exceptions.:shrug: Nothing applies to them.

erykah1310
December 18th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Other than rescuing how can you get around it Prin? Maybe where you are there are s/n clinics and so on but here, thats the price and thats that.:frustrated: Up here there is no breaks, sure we could go to Toronto ( 4 hours) and use someones addy down there and get it done for way cheaper but in reality the folks here who cant pay the $500 or so for the surgery arent about to do that.
Payment plans here are almost non existant, the city of sudbury does offer a $70 voucher for spay/neutering but you have to be a resident.

technodoll
December 18th, 2006, 01:19 PM
Education and responsibility don't matter, because these people are the exceptions. Nothing applies to them.


then your exceptions are in the masses (no few individuals can cause so much damage by themselves) and educating the masses is the only way to go. how else do you propose to fix the problems? :o

Prin
December 18th, 2006, 01:26 PM
I don't know techno. But no amount of education helps, IMO. We see them here nearly every day, breeding at various levels and even not neutering for various reasons while knowing all too well what is going on in the shelters and rescues. :shrug:

Erykah, there are organizations that are there to help. I don't know what they are in Ontario, but I know PEI has some, and Qc (of all places) has some too.

Like this one: http://www.bondspayneuter.com/

technodoll
December 18th, 2006, 01:29 PM
We need more Bob Barkers! :o

Prin
December 18th, 2006, 01:30 PM
He's retiring.:(

technodoll
December 18th, 2006, 01:34 PM
i know and it makes me sooo sad... we're losing an Icon of sorts :o

:sorry: for the threadjack but it had to be said!

erykah1310
December 18th, 2006, 03:55 PM
If we can manage to find one for this area ( northern ontario) I will be sure to pass the information on to some people in need, thats for sure. However, I highly doubt that there is one.:sad: Communities here are much smaller and further spread out so for the most part, in order to have pets and have them spayed/neutered you must be atleast middle class.:( And there are some wonderful people that are just below that class who simply do not get the procedure done. I agree that it should be done, regardless who you are, im not by any means saying that its alright not to speuter your pets, im just saying that for some its hard.:shrug:

cpietra16
December 18th, 2006, 04:43 PM
There should be a law that requires all Vets to have free spaying /neutering once a months and make it illegal to sell pets intact...including the SPCA.
Ok....in a money making world it's nver going to pass, but you never know.

paula383
December 19th, 2006, 04:28 AM
in the uk we have the RSPCA which will pay for the neutering etc for pet owners who are on low incomes or on benefits, and all cats an dogs are fixed before the RSPCA rehome them, but we still have the problem of unwanted cats an dogs there is no excuse, breeding and selling come before the animals needs, something has to be done god knows what but educating would be a start not one thing alone will change things, people need to see what the real world looks like outside there own little bubble, :sad:

BMDLuver
December 19th, 2006, 07:01 AM
Thus the neverending hours of trying to develop the low cost programs across Canada for all areas. Some days it feels like such a losing battle I can't even begin to explain.

Frenchy
December 19th, 2006, 12:28 PM
Ok....in a money making world it's nver going to pass, but you never know.

Yes it would. Spca say the neuter / spay is included in the adoption fee. So when someone wants to adopt one that is not, they should have that person sign the adoption contract and pay the fee. Spca should get the dog spay/neuter and then , only then,surrender the animal to his new owners. If in the meantime the adopters decide they don't really want a dog (like if they choosed the dog on impulse) they wouldn't get their cash back. I think it's a simple solution ! :shrug:

Prin
December 19th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Yeah, simple. Then why did we have to neuter Boo at our vet when it was included in the adoption fee? :frustrated:

Angie J
December 19th, 2006, 03:11 PM
We have vets in the area that spay neuter quite cheaply. Many Farm Vets WANT to see the health of farm and pet animals increased, and so will cut the cost of Nutering to insure animal welfare.

PS. my kitten is staring to spray... He's going in this week. (YUCK)

Angie

erykah1310
December 19th, 2006, 04:23 PM
I have been searching and searching for something in this area, still nothing.:frustrated:
It would be good to compile a list of places that do offer it, im sure we couldnt post it, but would be good to have as a quick reference.
I have never gone through a rescue for any of my dogs, but the one i foster for is great for making sure every animal is speutered PRIOR to adoption.
There is one shelter that adopts out intact pets.:frustrated: at rediculous prices.:frustrated:

Any one know why the surgery is so expensive??? Seriously, Kita costed $540 for her spay ( $80 for laser and an extra $80 because of the possiblility of her being preggers:eek: ) I was super cautious when she was in heat, but even the most vigilant watch cant guarantee nothing will happen. When its easy for an "accident" to happen ( dog in season) accidents WILL happen. IMO.

Frenchy
December 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM
Yeah, simple. Then why did we have to neuter Boo at our vet when it was included in the adoption fee? :frustrated:

Same here with Daisy, like you know she was 8 years old and had been used to produce. Anyone could have adopted her and do it all over again :mad: I had her spayed at my vet because it was closer for me but she shouldn't have been adopted prior to it ! :frustrated:

roxieandsabrina
December 30th, 2006, 12:48 AM
This is so sad!! We actually made sure when we adopted our cats that they were spayed before we brought them home. Our Humaine Society requires that all animals adopted out of there are spayed or neutered before they can leave the shelter. We got our dog spayed when she went into heat. I am so glad we didn't breed her like we had talked about! That video and another one I have seen are awful and makes me so sad for those animals.

Frenchy
December 30th, 2006, 01:24 AM
Our Humaine Society requires that all animals adopted out of there are spayed or neutered before they can leave the shelter.

Wow ! I wish we had those in Quebec !

BMDLuver
December 30th, 2006, 07:33 AM
Wow ! I wish we had those in Quebec !

They've started doing it with the PB's that come in now as sort of a pilot project. Eventually it should be implemented for all that come in. It's a slow process but even just one is better than none and a step in the right direction!

Golden Girls
December 30th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Our Humaine Society requires that all animals adopted out of there are spayed or neutered before they can leave the shelterI've never understood why our MSPCA doesn't required this :confused: It is afterall stipulated in the adoption forms when paying the fees that's it's included. Why allow the adoptor's to walk out the door and totally leave it up to them whether or not they feel like honouring it? And b4 I'm asked, I have brought this up to Barnoti - more times than I should of had to.