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Four week old puppy

Daisy2943
December 16th, 2006, 03:12 AM
I recently got a four week old puppy. The mother refused to take care of the puppies and the owner a friend of mine didn't have time to feed all of her 15 siblings. I was reading about the reprecussions of seperation from there mothers and i want to know how i can prevent it. I have two other dogs a maltipoo, Daisy who is 1 1/2 and Charlie a cocker spaniel who is 1 year old. Would the socialization from them help. The puppy is a female and she is a german shepherd husky mix

badger
December 16th, 2006, 10:07 AM
I don't have any suggestions but four weeks is unbelievably young to be taken from the mother. Is it actually thriving (eating, etc)? What does the vet say?

LibbyP
December 16th, 2006, 10:20 AM
I agree that 4wks is really young but it can be done(my old man Hoover came to me at 4wks) I would take the puppy to the vet first off to make sure everything is okay.

Does your current dogs have proper vacc? Well soicalized(puppy's learn by 'monkey see ~ monkey do') I wouldn't expose the puppy to alot of outdoor settings until the proper sets of vacc are in place.

(IMO) I would supplement with a dog milk product slowly introducing water and canned food(gruel)

I'm sure there will be others that can offer much more advice, good luck keep us posted

springermom0406
December 16th, 2006, 10:33 AM
My dogs trainer raised a dog from 2 weeks old because his mother refused him because he had a bad heart condition. The dog was supposed to die at 2yrs old. Anyway... the trainer hand fed him every 2 hours and brought him to see his littermates everyday until he was 10 weeks old. She got him to a heart specialist that did a trial medicine on him... he is an 8yr old agility champion today.

It can be done but its going to take alot of work. You need to hand feed the pup and be sure to bring it to see its littermates at least everyday so he gets that socialization.

OntarioGreys
December 16th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Your other dogs will help with the socialization aspect, they are young enough to be playmates , did the mom initially feed and care for the pups? I am assuming possibly so but just that the litter was so big that she may have decided enough is enough hopefully she will be spayed, not a lot you can do when mom wants no more to do with the pups, and more likely to become agressive with them if forced. If she did initially feed that is important for the immunology, if not the pup will be more suspectible to illness so talk to the vet about vaccinating and how soon to start they may need to bump ahead to provide protect from disease, also be very careful to really limit exposure to other people and dogs until fully vaccinated, and if the pup does get ill while young don't wait and see if he improves get him to the vet right away without the protection mother's milk would have provided he could go downhill very quickly, there is likely others that could give advice

Daisy2943
December 16th, 2006, 01:07 PM
She is eating really good, she eats every four hours and whenever she whines for it again. My dogs are all vacinatted and such and im mixing science diet dry and canned with some esiblanc supplement milk.

rainbow
December 16th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Science Diet is not a very good food. Any brand that you can buy at the supermarket, places like Walmart and most vets is crappy food. You need to go to a pet/feed store. Check out the dog food forum here for some better choices.

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Why is science diet bad? My vet and the breeder i got my cocker spaniel recommended it. I do go to the a pet store to buy the food because science diet isn't at any stores

LavenderRott
December 17th, 2006, 12:17 AM
Your vet recommends it because he/she makes money off of it. That and he/she probably had a whole semester of nutritional training at vet school and bought the whole line of bull that the SD rep sold him/her.

If you do a search, there are a ton of threads about good dog food. Basically, what it boils down to is this - avoid foods that contain corn and soy and any meat-by-products and you want a food that has at least two meats (and we are talking specific types of meat - ie:chicken, beef, lamb, etc.) or meat meals in the first 5 ingredients.

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:36 AM
Dog food is so frustrating. My vet however is a really awesome vet but he does not endorse science diet, he promotes natural choice. My vet has been practicing for 40 years and hes kids are starting to take over. When my parents dog was getting older and was dying we came to the hard decision one night to have her put down, she wasn't able to enjoy life, she was laying around listfully, well anyways we called him and we meet him at his office at 8 at night he was at his sons football game. Hes very dedicated and if anyone here is from ohio i would recommend the Far Hills Animal Clinic. with Dr. Cuttonie

mafiaprincess
December 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Glad you have a great vet.. Pick a better food.
In a previous post your vet loved SD, and in your last one he doesn't promote it. Either or, it's a crappy food, and it's not helping your puppy in the long run.

erykah1310
December 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Dog food is very frustrating, glad you have found a good vet, lately by the sounds of things around here they are few and far between :rolleyes: but all that aside, i think you may get the name of the clinic and the vet removed from your post, it may go against board rules, not sure.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM
It's normal for a vet to be great at everything except nutrition. :shrug: They get taught such a small amount and unless they take an active interest, they just don't keep up.:shrug:

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:39 AM
He didn't love it my cocker had a bad reaction to eukanuba so i took his suggestion of science diet he told me that nautural choice wasn't much better and try science diet.

LavenderRott
December 17th, 2006, 12:41 AM
I love my vet, too. But I wouldn't bet the farm on his dog food advice. I am sure that he would tell me what a wonderful thing his Science Diet is. But since it sits on those shelves in the lobby and he makes money off of every bag that goes out the door, I am darn sure he isn't going to tell me that it is garbage.

Hey, I know people who swear that Ole Roy is a great dog food. Their dog lived for years eating it and was never sick..yada, yada, yada. Well I also know plenty of people who all but live on McDonalds and seem perfectly healthy too. But that doesn't mean that if they ate better they wouldn't live longer or actually be healthier then they appear.

Prin and Technodoll know their stuff when it comes to dogfood.

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Apparently the fat in the eukanuba is bad for puppies. They put so much fat in them because people think if the puppy is fat then the food is good. Hes digestive system wasn't doing its job and giving him horrible diarhea so bad he couldn't control it or stop

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:43 AM
Neither will help with allergies. You know what might actually help? These:

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/allergy/home.html
http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271404%27%5D (not for puppies)
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=68&code=140
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=81&code=120 (not for puppies)

rainbow
December 17th, 2006, 12:43 AM
Please check out this website for "ingredients to avoid" .....

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients


Also, click on the other topics on the left of her page for further information. If you have any further questions, please ask.

erykah1310
December 17th, 2006, 12:44 AM
:eek: Prin,posting solid gold:eek: Im shocked...

But yeah, Daisy these gals know their stuff when it comes to dog food.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:44 AM
Apparently the fat in the eukanuba is bad for puppies. They put so much fat in them because people think if the puppy is fat then the food is good. Hes digestive system wasn't doing its job and giving him horrible diarhea so bad he couldn't control it or stop

The amount fat has nothing to do with it (Euk's foods aren't particularly high in fat). It's the KIND of fat, along with the quality of all the other ingredients. Have a look at the links I posted.:)

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:45 AM
Name the best dog food and where you can buy it i want my dogs to be healthy.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:45 AM
:eek: Prin,posting solid gold:eek: Im shocked...

But yeah, Daisy these gals know their stuff when it comes to dog food.

Yeah, I know. But a couple of them still fill a "niche" that others don't.:o

erykah1310
December 17th, 2006, 12:45 AM
and heres a great site for info on almost all foods
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/index.php

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Name the best dog food and where you can buy it i want my dogs to be healthy.

I can't tell you where to get it, but the sites I posted have a store locator.;)

erykah1310
December 17th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Name the best dog food and where you can buy it i want my dogs to be healthy.

That kinda depends on your dogs:shrug:

LavenderRott
December 17th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Personally, I feed my dog Canidae. I get it at the local pet supply store that DOES NOT sell puppies. :D

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:47 AM
It might be better to go with something "unusual" to get at the allergies though. Canidae has a lot of the usual things in it... Then again, if they're better quality, your dog might do ok on it anyway. It's all just trial and error.:shrug:

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 12:53 AM
Heres another question, can i feed all my dogs the same food. Like i said i have a cocker spaniel and a maltipoo and the german shepherd/husky mix. My vet said that i should continue feeding my maltipoo puppy food since she only weighs 1.9 pounds. Also is it better for the dog to mix canned food and dry food.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 12:56 AM
If you can, I'd feed the two small ones the "Just a wee bit" food I posted above, and feed the big guy Canidae (it's the cheapest of the best foods), if he has no allergies.
Canned food is quite expensive if you want good food, so it's better just to stick to the best dry you can.:shrug:

LavenderRott
December 17th, 2006, 12:59 AM
My rottweiler ate Canidae and my pom has been eating it since he was 5 months old.

The better foods are considered "all life stage" foods.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Yeah, but the goal of the Just a wee bit is that little dogs eat less, but still get what they need (so they don't have to eat their body weight in food every day).

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Well the puppy is doing good shes getting more adventorous and very vocal. heres a debate me and my husband have going on. my poodle mix is intolerant to the puppies shenagians and growls and snaps at her all the time. I think we should not intervene because 1. it teaches the puppy to be submissive ( on a website i saw that puppies learn from their moms to submit to other dogs 2. it will work out on its own He says that 1. Daisy is going to get hurt when the puppy gets bigger becuase the puppy will remember her bullying her and 2 that daisy shouldn't be such a brat to any dog

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 01:10 AM
I think a certain amount of correction between each other is ok, but I also think you need to teach both to leave the other alone. Don't just leave the puppy to get snapped at, correct him so he stops bugging the other dog.

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 01:15 AM
When should i stop supplementing the milk she is already eating out of charlie and daisy's bowls. I think she only eats her food because the other two want it (they love canned dog food). Im so glad to have found this place.

erykah1310
December 17th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Also your dog isnt that puppys mom, so it may not be a correction, it could be sheer annoyance. Iwould definately supervise it, keep a close eye and see how things are going.

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Thats daisy for you though she likes to sleep when she wants to no interuptions or you will know about it.

Prin
December 17th, 2006, 01:24 AM
I'm not sure about the milk thing, but I'm sure one of the rescues that comes here will be able to answer...

Just keep in mind that puppies are annoying and your older dogs do need a break, and you and your hubby are the pack leaders and you should protect your pack from outsiders and from each other.:shrug:

rainbow
December 17th, 2006, 01:30 AM
So, did you decide on a brand of dog food?

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 01:33 AM
Not yet, Ive already printed off the bad ingrediant list and a list of everyones suggestions. When i go to store im going to make my decision from there. if more than one of your suggestions are there and have nothing from the bad list on it which disqualifies it ill go with cheaper

rainbow
December 17th, 2006, 02:16 AM
Good luck and keep us posted. :)

Daisy2943
December 17th, 2006, 02:22 AM
thanks. Id love to see pics of everyones dogs. Im going to get some on the computer once i get my digitial camera to work

jesse's mommy
December 17th, 2006, 08:35 AM
There is a photo forum for pictures. That's where you will find the pictures of everyones pets.