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Went To The Doctors.....

speedbunny70
December 13th, 2006, 06:44 PM
I had a doctors appointment with an ear, nose and throat specialist today, because I've been have trouble with my ear and have been coughing a lot in the morning. He said I was probably allergic to my dog and told me to get rid of him!!! :eek: I almost fell off my chair! All of this started before I got Bailey. Needless to say I think I will be getting another opinion!

Hunter's_owner
December 13th, 2006, 07:33 PM
I had a doctors appointment with an ear, nose and throat specialist today, because I've been have trouble with my ear and have been coughing a lot in the morning. He said I was probably allergic to my dog and told me to get rid of him!!! :eek: I almost fell off my chair! All of this started before I got Bailey. Needless to say I think I will be getting another opinion!

Yeah I would get another opinion too. How would he be able to tell what the problem is...and why would he just assume it is an allergy to dogs:rolleyes:
What did he expect you to say "Ok, no problem, I will get rid of him as soon as I get home...thank you":frustrated: Get real:yell:

Thanks for not listening to the doctor, btw:thumbs up

hazelrunpack
December 13th, 2006, 10:09 PM
yeah...I started having trouble with (supposedly) asthma this spring and the first thing they told me was it was allergies and I'd have to get rid of the dogs. I've never had allergies, so I called them on it--the full round of testing....and....um....guess what? Still not allergic. About the only thing I reacted to was the histamine.

Every time I go in, they're still asking me how my allergies are :frustrated: And occasionally one or the other of the nurses will tell me I may have to get rid of my dogs... My pat answer is "pftuiiiiiiiii". :p If I do it loud enough and enough spit flies, they usually just leave the room and send in one of the other nurses... :evil:

I still have all 6 dogs. If I ever do get allergic to them, we'll work around the allergies. The dogs are here to stay! :D

Prin
December 14th, 2006, 01:00 AM
Yeah, that's what they do. "Must be the dog." :rolleyes: If they're so sure, why haven't they sent you for allergy testing? And even if they did, the stats say nearly 2/3 of people who have dogs and are told to get rid of them keep them, and of those 90% get another dog after that dog passes away.

technodoll
December 14th, 2006, 09:14 AM
doctors... pfffffffft
nursees giving advice... pfffffffffffffffffffffft
secretaries doing the same... pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftwithspittle

without complete allergy tests, how can anyone assume a condition just because of a vague symptom or two? :frustrated: so unprofessional.

speedbunny70
December 14th, 2006, 11:11 AM
Even if I was allergic to him, the LAST thing I would be doing is giving him up, I would be popping those allergy pills!!!

~michelle~
December 14th, 2006, 11:34 AM
stupid doctor..... but they are running their office with a revolving door give them an answer and get out... too little doctors, even fewer with the passion for patient care anymore.

ByronsDad
December 14th, 2006, 04:22 PM
Frankly I donít trust doctors any farther than I can throw them. I have had so many misdiagnoses over the last few years, I have little faith in their abilities to assess a problem and provide adequate treatment. Just a couple examplesÖ

Several years ago I developed a sharp pain in my groin. Went to the ER, and after an exam was told that I had a hernia. This occurred near the start of the summer. The earliest I could get into a specialty clinic was near the end of the summer (so much for camping). I was given a do and donít do list to keep from making the injury worse. So the day of check-in at the clinic comes around. I get to have my groin shaved by one nurse, and then inspected by another. The second declares that she canít find a hernia bump, and sends me upstairs to be checked by the doctors there. The first one checks my groin, and canít find a problem. She calls another doctor in to have a feel. He canít find anything, so they bring in a third. So there I am, strung out on a table, my pants around my ankles while these three debate the lack of existence of my hernia (and the door to the hall was open no less). In the end they determine it was in fact a groin pull, and with proper treatment I was better in a few weeks. Oh, and did I mention that this happened two days after my wedding???

The second instance occurred around the same time. I had been getting constant headaches for a few months. On one particular day things were worse than usual, and my boss insisted I go to the ER (the hospital was a block from where I worked). I had been reading up on various headache causes, and had come to the conclusion that I had become addicted to the pain meds I was on (I was on Ibuprofen constantly for months as an anti-inflammatory), and that my body was craving more meds. Not only did the doctor I saw keep answering his phone and chatting to people during my exam (rude), but he blew off my addiction idea outright. Instead they put me on an IV with some drug that made me feel absolutely terrible, and did nothing for the pain. In the end I took myself off the meds cold turkey. I went through about 3 weeks of sheer hell, with some of the worst migraines I have ever had. However, I came out the other side headache free. Still canít touch Ibuprofen to this day.

Some doctors may be good at what they do, but there is a scary number of incompetent ones out there too.

Prin
December 14th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Oh, and did I mention that this happened two days after my wedding???ooh lala- Go Byron's Mum! :D

ByronsDad
December 14th, 2006, 11:09 PM
ooh lala- Go Byron's Mum! :D

Unfortunately, it was the surgery that was scheduled for two days after the wedding, and not when the injury itself occurred. I spent my ďhoneymoonĒ (we still havenít had one) having my crotch poked and prodded by doctors. :(

Byronsmum was however partially responsible for me tearing my abdominals. ;)

technodoll
December 14th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Byronsmum was however partially responsible for me tearing my abdominals.

uuhhhh - TMI!!! :rolleyes:

Prin
December 15th, 2006, 12:11 AM
lol and you call yourself a Quebecoise, techno. :rolleyes: Now I'm really starting to wonder where BM is... Maybe she's out for the season because of an injury.:D

CyberKitten
December 15th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Re: "Frankly I donít trust doctors any farther than I can throw them"

I'll try keep this short but I can't believe anyone would have the audacity to say all doctor are evil because of a few "bad" doctors.

Regardless of profession you know, I have to say that's a really sad comment to make. I could easily say I dislike reporters who call me in the middle of the night (most do not and most reporters are OK ppl too, I am just trying to think of examples here of the so called most distrusted professions so bear with me folks, lol) or that I hate all lawyers because of whatever stereotype society tends to portray of the legal profession. Now as regards people like Jeffrey Skilling or CEO's who steal money and do terrible things well, I have top say that might be an exception but even there, some CEO's - even if their value system might be different than mine - have shown themselves to be not all bad) even if their motivations for donating money to our oncology unit is due to a reason for a tax write off and not the altruistic reason I'd prefer. (I always think of my dad's reference to ppl who suddenly find "organized" religion as "cramming for the finals" when I get a phone call from someone who out of the blue and getting close to April, wants to make a major donation, :D )

I guess my point is that no one - not one single person here on on earth for that matter - can judge every profession by the actions or personality of one person who does that job. I know some doctors I am not that keen about and I am one of them, they are my peers tho in some cases, even I would have to admit that the "enter your own expletive here" who has the personality of a flea and has agreed to see a patient of mine (after I have begged) for some rare type of cancer is more knowledgeable about that illness than me so he is more than my peer at least on that score, ie he excels at what he does but omg, how his family gets along with him is an issue I do not comprehend. Then there are those I do not consider my peers because they make the rest of us look bad. Thankfully, they are in the minority and tend to be in small out of the way places where no one can find them in the event they really screw up. I have personally helped to ensure many of the ones in that category actually do loose their privileges but then they just end up in some poor country or even the US where many small hospitals do not even require Board certification.

It is my considered and yes, even knowledgeable (I have also had to do a lot of work in Human Resources, not by choice but it comes with the various positions I have held) opinion that there are people in all professions are excellent and alas, there are a few who are not so excellent at what they do.

I find it extremely rude in the least and arrogant at best for you to presume to know that I - who you do not even know "are so untrustworthy, you'd like to throw me somewhere." I am sometimes a tad too trustworthy and sensitive and that to me sounds very threatening.

I am sorry you had trouble with your doc - I did not read the rest of your tirade since I myself have my own medical issues (fighting my own battle with cancer at the moment) and while I can honestly say most of my docs and other medical personnel are wonderful, there are always a few who I am not happy with. I always advise my patients - or their parents - since my field is pediatric oncology - to get a 2nd opinion - but by the time I give them the diagnosis, usually the same day or next tho (I make no one wait unless there is someone some where else holding up some test result which is not much I can do about except to get involved in Hospital politics and change the policies or before that, find out just why it took so ^%$# long. Sometimes, there actually is a very good reason and I do not like to jump to conclusions or judge someone I may not know or who is working under stress I am unaware of.

Personally, I'd like to know what I have ever done to you? I spent many long yrs in school to obtain my education, which is more than your typical GP (who are now at least in Canada required to have completed a Residency in Family medicine) (This is not to suggest I am a better doctor, just that my field required more yrs of education and supervised work, ie Residencies. Internships are merely the months following an MD degree when a doctor works under other doctors before writing the required exams. Some university programs include the internships as part of the MD degree program but the norm is that it is completed following graduation from an accredited med school - and I do not mean Granada <g>

I have given my entire life to this profession and the children and their parents I have been able to help over the yrs have become like family to me. I have been fortunate in that there are few patients I dislike - except for parents who abuse their children or a plethora of nasty issues in that sort of category - and that I have usually encountered when I was an intern, a ped resident or covering the pediatric ER on some occasions.

I am very sorry you had a bad experience with a doctor and with the medical system where you were treated - you did not say if it was where you live. (here in the Maritimes, we often have to travel to see certain specialists- part of the price we pay I suppose for living with the beauty and friendliness of our little piece of the globe). I myself think there are things we need to do to attempt to improve what we do - and I have been doing that my entire adult life. That happens when all of us, doctors and other medical professionals included, become involved in politics - whether that includes lobbying, becoming part of a group that is attempting to help maintain our not for profit health care system, (I do think the US system is good but it is one that spends more per capita and more in general actually than we do on health care) yet a large number have no health care coverage at all. There are certain hospitals in the US that are the best in the world but you need to have great health benefits, access to a doctor who belongs to an HMO that includes that hospital - and amazingly, not every HMO covers the Mayo Clinic for example and fighting to get them to so takes resources many patients who are ill and their families simply do not possess at that especially stressful period in their lives! We have some of the best hospitals too but even at some of the best, there are doctors who I would not refer my worst enemy to to, much less one of my young patients.

Doctors are part of a team. And I am not noting this observation to say your problems may have been the probs of someone else. I know some triage nurses are are better at quick assessments than some GP's family practice specialists who rarely see the inside of an ER but are often faced with an urgent situation in her/his office. Every clinic or health care facility works differently so I cannot judge -without knowing all the details - and that is private info you alone must work with.

That said, I rarely complain as a patient after serving with Les Medcins Sans Frintieres (Drs without Borders). The conditions I have worked under in countries other than the US or Canada (well except New Orleans and Baton Rouge etc after Hurricane Katrina) have all but "cured" (pun v. much intended) much of my disdain for some of our procedures and practices. At least in the places I have worked - Children's and other hospitals as a med student and Resident in Boston, Children's in Burlington, Vt, regional and local hospitals in the Maritimes and of course, our wonderful Women and Children's Hospital ion Halifax - no one has shot at me, shot a patient in front of me, physically assaulted me as I demanded to examine his wife who had just been raped (God forbid one give good medical care to women or children in this not to be named middle Eastern country if some of those men had their way, NOT Israel by any means which has Hadassah, a superb hospital part of Hebrew University which other than some of the places I have served at in 3rdworld countries or countries at war, is an oasis of Israeli Arabs and Jewish people working side by side to save innocent children some idiot tried to blow up for being of the wrong religion (which I guess I where I sometimes wonder if my dad's disdain for organized religion has some merit but I digress). Working under martial law means patients do not have recourse. They have no access to the meds they need for illnesses we take for granted, never mind the genocide that is occurring because poor countries with the GNP less than many of our large companies, cannot afford to buy the drugs controlled by Big Pharma. I recommend you read Dr. Marcia Angell's book on that subject.

You sir, do have recourse. You can contact the Medical Society of the physician involved and yes, as someone who has served and continues to be involved in listening to complaints by patients of doctors. And contrary to popular belief , these orgs do take action and take away drs licences and privileges - actions that often result in other patients being upset given the problem we all face with such a dearth of doctors. Our govt does not fund universities enough for us to graduate enough docs to keep up and so it will get worse and not better unless people speak up and sop something. (If I hear one more platitude from a politician who has never worked 72 hrs straight in his or her life - while sick - I may be sorely tempted to scream at him, even if said pol belong to my party, sighhhhhhhhh!)

Every hospital in our country has a Patient Representative. In Halifax, those positions are filled by nurses who are imho the logical choice if someone has an issue with something that occurred while the person was a patient (inpatient or outpatient) at that hospital. So many ppl do not complain - they whine to their friends but if they would only take a few minutes, OK, maybe half an hour, to talk with someone like that, hospitals and doctors and nurses will be able to make changes in procedures, in human resources - ie ensuring what happened to you does not happen again to anyone else.

And ByronsDad, if the disease I fight both personally and professionally does do me in, you can't have my ashes to throw either. And even though I am tiny - I never weigh enough to donate blood, sigh - and am all of 5' tall, I'll still struggle against anyone who wants to throw me anywhere. I've seen worse- like some mean looking characters on a jeep in uniforms with machates and machine guns. <Kidding>

All I ask is you please don't judge people you do not know or everyone who belongs to one profession based on a few bad examples. You never know whose feelings you will hurt - and if you don't care about that, then there is not much I can do to help you in your attitude about life. btw, there is a very well researched study that shows that happy people live longer!!

ByronsDad
December 15th, 2006, 03:10 PM
In response to Cyberkittenís post:

As you said in your message, you didnít read all of my message. Had you done so, you would have seen that at the bottom I stated ďSome doctors may be good at what they do, but there is a scary number of incompetent ones out there too.Ē. If you are going to critique me on this message too, please have the courtesy to read ALL of my message first. Especially before you start insulting me by calling me rude and arrogant, etcÖ.. :frustrated:

My old family doctor (whom I am now seeing again as I have moved back to my home town), is quite knowledgeable, and usually bang on with his assessments. There was also a young doctor in the walk-in clinic back where I used to live, who was pretty good too. However, the majority of walk in doctors either didnít care, or provided incorrect treatment (and because of their rotating and random schedule, you never knew who you were going to get). And you could see it in their face, that they had no idea what was wrong. But they went ahead and suggested treatment anyway. They could have recommended a specialist, another doctor who might know, or even said that they werenít sure, but that they would look it up and get back to me. But few seem to want to admit that they didnít know. In fact, I have found that the few who are willing to admit they donít know, are usually the ones who know best what they are doing.

You see, doctorís guesses have cost me a bit in the last few years. Because the doctors whom I went to see attempted to diagnose something they werenít qualified to diagnose properly (as I found out later), I lost my job. My wife and I lost all of our savings, and had it not been for my family, we would have ended up on the street. So yes, you might say I get a bit upset when doctors make guesses and attempt to fix something they donít understand.

So let me reiterate what I had at the bottom of my last message. I donít think that ALL doctors are bad at what they do. However, given the nature of what it is they do, it can really damage someoneís life if they donít care enough to, or arenít capable of doing their job well.

White Wolf
December 15th, 2006, 03:15 PM
This thread has run its course and will now be closed.