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Reverting back to puppy days...HELP

AnimalLover05
November 29th, 2006, 08:49 AM
My 19 month old pitbull Chance has started some bad behaviors again and I do not know what to do I am at my wits end. At night he has start pooping on the floor...only at night though....We take him out for about 20 minutes before we go to bed and we wake up to a mess on the living room floor. He has never messed in the house before and for the last two weeks he has been. I do not know why or how to get him to stop. And yesturday I came home to find my oven mits shreaded all over my floor. He has not chewed anything up for probably over a year now. I do not know what is triggering this behavior and I don't know how to get him to stop. I have punished him for doing these behaviors like rubbing his nose in it(basically going back to house-training days) and nothing is working. Someone please help. I love him to death but this needs to stop he is almost 2.

technodoll
November 29th, 2006, 09:10 AM
I suggest crating him when he cannot be supervised (at night and when you are at work), it's about the only thing that will keep you both sane :cool: Same thing happened with our boy, he was fine loose in the house and then one day started to eat things, so back in the crate he went for a few months, it protected our stuff and it eased our relationship (no punishments, no stress, etc). He's perfectly good now, won't touch a thing. Our girl is still crated during the day though, she's 13 months old and still can't be trusted 100% so we don't take any chances - she ate our 4 dining-room chairs one after the other despite being corrected after every time - now everyone and everything is safe. It's a phase that shouldn't last very long, specially if you couple it with gentle, steady training (yelling at him and rubbing his nose into the mess will only stress him out more and he will just mess up again). dogs don't poop in their crates unless they are sick and can't hold it. Good luck and keep us posted! :dog:

AnimalLover05
November 29th, 2006, 09:15 AM
Thank you for the help. I am nervous about how he will act in the crate alone. He hasn't been in a crate for over a year and at that time both my puppies were young and were crated together. Now he will be crated by himself....:pray: :sad:

tenderfoot
November 29th, 2006, 09:53 AM
Its like dogs have this last burst of energy before they settle into a life of maturity.

If he was crate trained before he still is. However don't just put him in and walk away for 6 hours. You have to test him again. 15 minutes, then 45 minutes. See how it goes. You might have to do a little bit of retraining - but if he was good before he should still be just fine.

He should not be roaming the house at night anyway. It then becomes his territory to claim and possess. Much better to have him in with his people pack. That way he is bonding with you in your sleep and you are there for him in case he needs to go out. He might have told you that he needed to go the first night and you didn't hear him so he went on the floor. No one caught or corrected him and it felt good to relieve himself so now he figures its okay to do. You have to claim your house back and let him know its not his to soil.

**just a note to everyone. NEVER crate your pups together. If one pup gets snarky there is no escape for the other and they are trapped. You could come home to tragedy not to mention the incredible damage done to the frightened pups emotions. All dogs need to learn how to be alone and a crate is a great way to do that.

technodoll
November 29th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Also, start giving him his meals and treats in the crate, and buy a hanging, stainless steel water bucket so he has access to water while you are away. buy him new & interesting toys to keep him busy (a stuffed kong, a tough toy to relieve tension, etc), put down a blanket if he likes to lay on soft things, etc. Leave the radio or TV on while you are gone, it creates a sense of "companionship" that helps many dogs cope with being alone during long hours. Pretty soon you will see that when you get ready to leave, your dog will go lay down in his crate by himself because they do love a routine :)

AnimalLover05
November 29th, 2006, 10:46 AM
Thank you for all of your help. Both of my dogs are very needy of eachother though....that is what I am afraid of. If one is taken somewhere and the other is left with one of the adults....they mope around and sometimes even get physically sick(throwing up, diahrea ect.) I am just nervous of putting Chance in the Kennel and having Rowdie out cuz then they can't be together. Maybe its just me.....but they have grown very dependant of eachother.

tenderfoot
November 29th, 2006, 05:20 PM
I am going to be brutal now - :sorry:

They are this way because you have allowed it. There is nothing wrong with being bonded and best buds but to be so dependent on each other they get physically ill when they are separated? Dog forbid something happens to one of them and they are forced apart.

I say this only because people often let their better judgment be hampered by their emotions, and it does nothing to benefit their dog’s lives.

Take a long and honest look at their lives. Yes, you have pampered them but are they really happy? Does a confident, happy dog toss his lunch when his pal is gone?

Treat a dog like a dog and he will be the best pal you ever had. Treat him like a baby and he will be a monster. If we baby them too much we are just creating problems. If we ask them to raise their level of competence then EVERYONE will be happier for it.

Time to take charge of their lives and teach them how to be alone. Also time to create a strong bond with each of them individually, and make the most of YOUR relationship with them.

I am sorry to be so blunt - but I know you want what is best for these two.

AnimalLover05
November 29th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Thank you for being so honest. I had to go out for a little bit today and I just got home and Chance was at it again. He had shreaded another one of my pot holders from the counter and took a pillow off of the couch and was chewing on that.....When I got home I didn't say anything to him I just put him in the Kennel. I don't know if that was the right thing to do but I was so mad at him. I left my boxer out and he is laying down in the bedroom(where the kennel is). I know I spoil them too much and I am puttin a BIG hault to it now. I am fed up with it and things need to change. I hate using the kennel as a punishment though and I don't feel that it is right but I don't know what else to do with him. Please tell me if I am doing the right thing by puttin him there when he did bad.......If I am please give me some suggestions to do instead for a punishment. It seems that he knows he did wrong but he keeps doing it.

My boxer is the one who is more dependent on Chance....instead of the other way around.....Good news he is getting better he doesn't seem to be getting as upset....I took Chance for a ride today to try to spend some more time with him thinking maybe he was feeling neglected and that is why he was acting out and Rowdie was fine when I got home....really excited...but fine......

Any suggestions please help.....
LOST MOM

TeriM
November 29th, 2006, 07:16 PM
You should be careful when putting a dog into a crate when you are angry. If possible you should just be very matter-of-fact and walk up and grab the collar and put into the crate as if you were putting him in at night per usual. If they associate your angry mood with the crate then that is a poor punishment tool and they may begin to resent the crate.

Having said that, sometimes crate time apart from the owner is best when we feel like wringing their furry little necks :D .

H.P.
November 29th, 2006, 07:30 PM
I hate using the kennel as a punishment

That is good, because it really shouldn't be used as punishment. The kennel is their safe haven. It should be used preventatively. If you catch them in the4 act, give them a sharp NO _______ (biting, digging, chewing, pot holder, pillow, etc.), and drop it then take it away, and ignore them for a bit is what I do. If I don't catch her in the act, there is really nothing to do but clean up the mess as far as I am concerned.:shrug: I have just had to start re kenneling Sydney while I am gone, but I am letting her stay out of the kennel at night, but baby gated in the bedroom with me. (So far so good...2 days). Good luck!:fingerscr

AnimalLover05
November 29th, 2006, 08:01 PM
I have been reading up on some things on the internet and I was wondering if his behaviors could be seperation anxiety. It would explain alot of his behaviors. His constant following me around, the recent chewing and messing in the house, the needing to have attention all the time, the needing to lay right next to me in bed ect. Any ideas or comments. Please help...If this is what it is I want to get him help ASAP. After he came out of the kennel tonite he was right by my side again and has been layin with me on the couch ever since......like I said it just explains a lot......Please give input and thank you for all of the posts.

brandynva
November 29th, 2006, 08:50 PM
I can relate to what you are going through somewhat. Our GSD is 15 months old and was perfect in the house. Then one day she decided to shred a newspaper, so I gave her a second chance. Then she shredded my new book. :eek: Thing is, she was walked and had a toy and chewy. I hear that dogs do tend to go through an adolescent phase like Tenderfoot suggested. I think the best thing is crating. That's what we've had to do with Mileva. Of course she had been crated all along and we were testing what freedoms she was ready for. Obviously not many. :rolleyes: Anyway, good luck! I think dog ownership is just trying different things until something works. Every dog is different and every dog owner is different.

tenderfoot
November 29th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Yes, this could very well be SA.

Crate him to keep him safe from getting into mischief - not after the fact. Don't be angry at him this really isn't his fault. I know its frustrating - but now that you know better you are going to do better.

I don't have much time right now to help - perhaps I can do more tomorrow - I will try to get on tomorrow and see if I can add anything to the good advice everyone else is offering.

we3beagles
November 29th, 2006, 09:56 PM
As soon as I read your first post my initial thought was SA. Destructive and anxious to the point of pooping. Does he howl when you leave? If you put him in his crate and leave the room does he slobber all over. If it is SA you need to distract him and keep him occupied when you are not there. A kong with frozen bits of liver or peanut butter will keep him occupied for some time. Turn on the radio for him when you leave. Make sure you are not making a big deal of leaving or returning. Put him in his crate and just leave. When you get home put the groceries away, clean up the morning coffee, etc. and then let him out. He needs to become far less dependent on you.
Feeding him in his crate, giving treats in his crate is a great way to associate the crate with all things good. Put him in it with his kong while you are in the room. Next time leave for 2 minutes and come back. Next time 5 mins and so forth. He needs to know you will always come back no matter how long your gone and he needs to like his crate. It is supposed to be a safe haven for him and he will be far better off for it. Good luck and good thing he has someone who cares enough to get advice and follow through. :thumbs up

AnimalLover05
November 30th, 2006, 10:11 PM
well today chance was officially diagnosed with SA. :sad:...we are working with him hard and are going to get a behavioral specialist to come in to help as well....I hope all goes well and he gets better.....Thank you everyone for all of your help. You all have been terriffic and it is greatly appreciated.