November 23rd, 2006, 12:56 PM
This is Fox Fire Kim Possible; she is 10 mos. old, 83 lbs. Excellent dog.
November 23rd, 2006, 01:00 PM
Wow ~ what an unusual looking dog ! Very wolfy in the second pic. Are her ears naturally short or are they cropped ?
November 23rd, 2006, 02:57 PM
I have never heard of this breed.
But absolutely beautiful!!
November 24th, 2006, 12:56 AM
Very pretty girl. Is this breed related to the Ovtcharka?
November 24th, 2006, 12:58 AM
Beautiful dog.... Never heard of them before...
:offtopic: did you ever find anything out about the bulldog puppy??? or have you given up?
November 24th, 2006, 12:59 AM
I was going to ask the same thing.. Looks a lot like Lukka..
Very pretty doggy.:)
November 24th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Oh your central asian is gorgeous.
There is a woman on another board I belong to with a Central Asian, and a Caucasian Ovcharka. Both are so gorgeous.
Here is a pic of a central asian ovcharka pup (white pup) and some Caucasian Ovcharka puppies :)
November 24th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Central Asian Shepherd/Ovcharka compared to Caucasian Ovcharka.
Just to confuse; ovcharka is the russian term for shepherd.
Following information provided by www.centralasianshepherd.com
Name: http://www.centralasianshepherd.comCentral Asian Shepherd Dog USA -
Created by : Natural Selection - NON Man Made - Thus many regional old & new varieties.
No other breeds used in its creation.
How Old?:History- Dates back over 5,000 years untouched in many native areas
Countries of Origin:Former Soviet Republics
Size:Males 100-160lbs - Females 90-125lbs Average
Height:Min 26" for males, Average 30 inches , Min for Females 24' , Average 27"
Coat:Double Coated - Well Developed Under Coat
Longevity:10-15 years average - records set at age 17 years/
Weather Tolerance: Excellent with extreme cold & hot climates (dry only)
They get this tolerance from years of exposure to the Kara Kum Desert & Siberia. Does NOT do well in Humid weather.
Features:Loose skin, cropped & docked, dewlap 2nd Only to the Spanish Mastiff. X large Head, Bone, Square bodies, NON Drooling
Grooming:Minimum. Care is only needed during blowing of coat.
Shedding :Max Shedding during season Change "Blowing Coat 1-2 a year" min shedding daily
Liver is out of the New RKF standard -faulted with pigment in the UKC standard.
Function Original: - A Non stationary guardian dog of people and livestock.
NOT a traditional Flockguardian- protects its owner & its belongings be it 'mobile or stationary
Functions during the Cold War: Factory Guardians in the former Society Union
Functions Modern: Unsurpassed Ranch Guardian-Flockguardian for levels of higher predation-
Behavior:Protective- Interactive ,Social & playful within the family unit. Cat like movements,
suspicious with a strong distrust of strangers and strange animals.
Accepting of strangers when properly introduced, will extend the members of the inter family unit to
include inlaws & close friends...
Display Factors: Will warn 1st more growl vs a bark that will make your hair stand on end , than posture,
if you do not heed the warning the dog will protect by tooth butting- knocking you down , they do
NOT grip or hold when they do bite.
Objective: Is to make the threat go away Not to destroy it-. Not many step pass this point.
Training: Very mindful of the owners feelings , Low prey drive, harsh training methods should not be
used, Giving tons of love earns the dogs respect thus makes the bond stronger.
Problematic Behaviors: Diggers, Barkers comes alive at nite, females bark much more than males.
Intact male to male dog dominance.
Possessive _ My house _ My cats_ My mommy_ My horses, My car, My land MINE MINE MINE! & will
let strangers know by appearance that they protect all they call there OWN .
Can open doors, problem solving smart.
Natural Behaviors: Submissive to owners , Non challengingly to the family -loves to give the paw,
adapts best to routines," cat like in hunting & playing, females are hunters,Prefer to eat in your company
so will curl up within eye shot. Very Harsh Play between pack mates
NOT a CLINGY Breed yet Not aloof,seeks daily interaction with humans but not a Velcro dog.
When find a high spot when outside to over see your and the property.
Should NOT be allowed to mark property away from its main area , otherwise it extends its territory.
Should NOT be allowed to be the only flock guardian 24-7 with livestock etc. Needs adult mentor to make a
good flock guardian will protect the territory in which the goats are against all threats 2 & 4 legged
Other Dogs: -Yes If raised with them, Intact male to male dominance can occur .
Cats:- Great if raised with them. But understand this if you raise them around YOUR Cats
it does NOT mean that they are safe around all cats. If they feel their pride of Cats-Dogs etc are being
threatened they will protect .
Other Animals:- Very calm around livestock- Great for high strung Horses, not great around Chickens
Health Concerns:- Hip Dysplasia, Entropian- Saggy Eye Lids, Improper cropping/ear infections,
Over dosing on Anesthia. Diet/Vaccine related Concerns: Pano-HOD- .
Requirements:- Good Fencing ( more to keep people out than the dog in) Nice size Yard, Proper
exercise for the 1st 2 years to mature correctly. Does NOT attempt to go threw fencing .
However some dogs are sneaky, if they find a weakness under the fence they will crawl under anything.
And they will watch you fix the fence and test it immediately after.
Best Owner: That will succeed with this breed: Assertive, Strait forward, Loving , Expressive and Intelligent-
NOT for 1st time Dog owners- Take charge owners with a complete understanding of innate natural guarding behavior. A owner who wants a pierce of history thus changes their ideas of dog ownership to meet this breed, vs trying to change or train out over 5,000 years of working history.
NO, They are two different breeds with marked differences in Temperament, Structure, Coat Length & History.
The owner of this website (my dog's breeder) used to have a very useful page with a whole comparison; but needless to say there are significant differences; to the naked eye; coat type, undocked tail in the CO and temperament, very quick reactions in the CO, more responsive to the situation in the CAS. It has been said that the CAS asks questions first, then bites, the CO bites then asks questions and the SRO (south russian) bites and asks no questions.
Size and temperament led me to Kim as opposed to a CO.
November 24th, 2006, 09:15 PM
Yes, my Central Asian Shepherd's ears are cropped, as is her tail docked.
They are a very different dog with both long ears and tail.
The ears are a hard crop, very little left at all and the tail is docked to the 3rd joint approx.; this is done at 3 days old.
Members of her litter were destined for livestock guarding so it is essential that the dog not have long ears to be torn by predators. The tail is docked to lessen the chance of it being a handle to human predators. I prefer the look of these dogs without their ear and tail which probably sounds callous; but they truly are a very different look with them.
Oh and they found their baby bulldog; he was in Sudbury and the police found him.:thumbs up