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Need help in finding a good food for my senior Lab

debbie5909
October 16th, 2006, 09:28 PM
I am looking for a dog food that would be friendly to my older dog's kidneys, keep the ph of urine to levels of 6.0-6.5, lower sodium, medium low protein levels, and lower phosphorous levels. I have looked at Medley, Solid Gold, Innova, Timerwolf, Wellness, and others. It is important that my dog stays at the ph of 6.0-6.5 because she has had numerous crystals in her urine(oxalite as well as struvite) and infections. She has some kidney damage. Can anyone help me out there with this?

wdawson
October 16th, 2006, 10:19 PM
you should read the pet food forum.........lots of info there and alot of food gurus there.

Prin
October 16th, 2006, 11:26 PM
It's going to be hard because kidney issues, as far as the older research is concerned, require going against everything you want in a dog food... So instead of looking for very digestible proteins, you look for not-so-digestible proteins so that the "crude" % on the bag is much higher than the real protein the dog is getting...

The newer research says that dogs with kidney issues should have higher protein... But it seems with higher protein comes higher phosphorus, which isn't good for kidneys...

BoxerRescueMTL here was looking for a similar food for her beagle rescue and this is what I thought-

I thought that Avoderm was the best for those specific needs... For a normal dog, the protein would be too low (it's even lower than what is written on the package because a lot of the grain proteins wouldn't be digestible, but they still count in the numbers).

http://www.breeders-choice.com/dog_products/avodermdog.htm

The lite one had low sodium, lower than normal phosphorus and lower protein, if I remember properly...
http://www.breeders-choice.com/dog_products/avodermdog_lite.htm

And the chicken meal one is a bit higher in protein, but the sodium is slightly lower.
http://www.breeders-choice.com/dog_products/avodermdog_lite.htm

But for the stones, you might have to give a cranberry supplement too.

mummummum
October 16th, 2006, 11:28 PM
You may want to get an exact protein count maximum from your Vet. I think it's around 12 or 14% which compared to the avg 22-24% of most commercially available foods (incl. the holistic ones) is pretty unheard of. Are you also giving your doggy potassium citrate?

technodoll
October 16th, 2006, 11:54 PM
have you read this new research done? very interesting article... it's not the protein that damages the kidneys and creates stones and crystals... it's the purine, a byproduct of poor-quality protein!

http://www.aplus-flint-river-ranch.com/article-healthydalmatiandiet.php

super interesting.

also read this analysis of vet-recommended food for kidney issues... you'll be shocked at the crap (some) vets push to make a buck, not to help the dog! http://www.aplus-flint-river-ranch.com/article-prescriptionpetfooddiets.php?osCsid=178a3c8cfda33e 2add547e9c4b2aa3b9

Prin
October 17th, 2006, 12:06 AM
Umm... Flint river is not really a good source of info.. I mean, not only do they not cite references, but have you looked at their formulas?
Their "Flint River Ranch Adult & Puppy Dog Food" has wheat as #1.

Chicken Meal, Whole Wheat Flour, Ground Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with tocopherols - healthy antioxidants - and ascorbic acid), Ground Whole Wheat, Flax Seed, dried whole egg, lecithin, fish meal, brewer's dried yeast, wheat germ meal, dried kelp, dehydrated alfalfa meal, salt, potassium chloride, ferrous sulfate, dl-Alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), zinc oxide, selenium supplement, manganous oxide, riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), copper and cobalt, niacin, ascorbic acid (source of vitamin C), vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, D-Biotin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), calcium iodate, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, and vitamin D3 supplement.

technodoll
October 17th, 2006, 09:54 AM
i know about flint and don't endorse them, either... however, the info they cite from veterinary sources (new studies) is still valid, and the food comparison they list (pros and cons of the vet-sold bags) is also very good. :)

Prin
October 17th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Do they have references in there? Where are they?

mafiaprincess
October 17th, 2006, 07:26 PM
I didn't see any in that first article.. Seemed to be an opinion piece.