October 10th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Has anyone tried this pet supplement called leaps and bounds?
I was thinking of giving it to my arthritic dog but was told to be carefull with herbal supplements.
Could anyone offer any advice on the ingredients, safety of this product?
I will ask my vet about it but wanted to ask here since a lot of you know about foods/additives to avoid.
October 10th, 2006, 01:02 PM
Developed in 1986, Leaps & Bounds™ is a combination of the finest quality organic alfalfa, black walnut and kelp.
i have given both kelp and alfalfa tablets to my dogs with no ill effects... and no noticeable good effects, either :shrug: (but they're young and healthy, maybe that's why!)
i don't know anything about black walnut, sorry... it doesn't sound like a bad or dangerous product IMO, if the statements on the website are backed by research :)
October 10th, 2006, 01:11 PM
In an article from the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.1, alfalfa was credited with helping to neutralize carcinogens and promote their elimination through the colon.
One article? Just one? I wonder what things the alfalfa was "helping". Like what other foods were injested too.
Of all the benefits associated with Leaps & Bounds™, pet owners most often report its positive effects on arthritis. This is consistent with the scientific and folkloric literature on alfalfa.3,4,5
Well, if folklore says it, I'm sold! :confused:
Heart and Circulatory Systems
Alfalfa contains saponins - substances found to dissolve cholesterol in the atherosclerotic plaque of many animals - including humans. 9,10
That's not what I heard about saponins.... I heard beet pulp has saponins which are a toxin that temporarily paralyzes the colon so the stool stays in there and hardens up. I didn't know alfalfa had them too... I'll have to research them more, I guess.
Alfalfa, the major ingredient in Leaps & Bounds™ is rich in chlorophyll which is the active ingredient in most breath fresheners.Actually, isn't that menthol? Not too many gums and mints have chlorophyll anymore when menthol works better.:shrug: Besides, if your dog has 12 year old teeth, nothing will help its breath except a great teeth cleaning.
I'm just not sold. I doubt it would be harmful, but the odds of it doing anything are pretty slim too.
October 10th, 2006, 01:16 PM
I don't really understand this supplement, and if you're dealing specifically with joint problems, there are better options out there.
The reason I don't get it, is the use of black walnut as one of the three ingrediants. Alfalfa and kelp make sense, I include both as daily supplements to my dog's diets, but black walnut is typically used as a natural wormer and can cause GI issues with excessive or longterm use.
Nupro Joint one supplement I've been really happy with. It includes kelp. bee pollen, garlic, etc. along with vit. C, glucosamin, MSM and flax for joints.
Another joint supplement I've heard good things about in Syneflex, though it doesn't include the other all the other overall beneficial supplements like Nupro, though you could always use other products if that's soething you're worried about.
October 10th, 2006, 01:45 PM
hmmm if its only 3 ingredients and the 3 dont seem to have any negative effects on a dog. However their references were not veterinary literature, and they were not relevant or new sources that they were using (some were over 20 years old!). this may require more research to make sure you are not getting ripped off. and what are you feeling your dog? check the ingredients I know innova already has alfalfa in it, i dont know how much it would need to work (if it does work). So if you think it will help try it, but always ask your vet before supplementing any diet, if it works great, but there are no wonder drugs out there.
just make sure to read the ingredients on the bottle if you do buy it they may only be showing their "good" ingredients on the website, it wasnt an official ingredients list.
Also there is no such thing as a drug that has no neg side effects (alfalfa incl.) you can have an over dose of even vitamins so if you do give it follow the directions exactly
I did do some reading of alfalfa for humans from recent medical sources and it can have good effects but dont take too much.
October 10th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Thanks everyone! I'll look at those other supplements you suggested pitgrrl.
I have a tendancy to look at the testimonials and think - WOW this stuff is amazing without considering all my options.
I am giving glucosamine supplement (www.ubavet.com) along with the anti-inflammatory (these were the two things my vet suggested). Just in the last few days I have seen improvement!
I have also been reading about flexicose - another glucosamine supplement.
Maybe it is better to stick with these "tried and tested" ones!
October 11th, 2006, 03:40 AM
Here's another one to pick apart:
October 11th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Here's the ingredients:
October 11th, 2006, 10:19 AM
I have been using K9 Mx for my GSD...He has a bit of arthritis.This stuff has done wonders for him.
There is also Sashas Blend.