October 4th, 2006, 09:37 PM
I've wanted to add a puppy to my life for a long time. I had dogs growing up and I miss having them around. But do to circumstances, it hasn't been a good time to get a puppy/dog.
In the mean time (over 4 years), I've been researching different breeds. And I have fallen in love with bullmastiffs.
My fiance and I have decided that we want to get a puppy come next spring. We both have stable jobs (yay, I just got a promotion:) ) and we work close to where we live, so coming home at lunch and on breaks is so easy. But heres the snag, we live in an apartment.
So many people I talk to are making me feel horrible about wanting a dog while living in an apartment. They keep on saying that "it's cruel to keep such a large animal in such a small place" and "what a mean thing to do".
These kind of comments are making me re-think the whole situation. It's just making me so sad:( Should I just not get a dog (espicially such a large dog) and just wait until I have a bigger place?
October 4th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Do you feel the overwhelming need to have to have a puppy? Adopting an adult might be a better solution. Calmer, older, and able to chill until you get home to do something fun with it.
October 4th, 2006, 09:48 PM
What a dog / puppy needs ; time,good food,fresh water,love,regular exercise, regular walks,vet care,love again....If you can provid that,who cares if you live in a appartment instead of a house? You seem like a very good animal owner , so why not? If it' OK with mister landlord.
October 4th, 2006, 09:49 PM
Personally, I think the "shouldn't have a big dog in an apartment" is to be polite ~ misinformed. There is only so much space your dawg can physically take up and whether you have 700 square feet or 3000 square feet your dawg is not going to take up any more room than s/he does in a full stretch.
A bachelor or small studio ? No, you'll be tripping over each other. But a regular one bedroom apartment is fine for space. As long as you are committed to providing lots of exercise ~ which you should be whether you are in an apartment or a house ~ then how can it possibly matter ? No backyard ? Big deal. I've seen too many dawgies left alone in backyards for hours at a time or chained up to the front porch and their owners think this is "exercise" period. Nuh-uh. You may have to do some extra work around elevator and hallway manners and dealing with neighbour noise but that's all in the training. As long as you are committed to providing your dog with several hours of outdoor walking and play per day and solid obedience/ manners training ~ then you should get whatever kind of dawg you want.
October 4th, 2006, 09:59 PM
great post, mummummum! it's everything i wanted to say. Hubby and I share our small appartment on the top floor of a building (no back yard) with our two big bears and yes, sometimes i wish we had more "tumble space" for them to wrestle, but when they are showing that extra energy we take them for a walk or a run in a neighborhood park or field. they get plenty of exercise & socialisation, we make efforts to leave the city on weekends to give them romps in big green spaces, they are very loved & spoiled and lack for nothing in their lives.
oh and you know, the bigger the dog, the bigger the couch potato they generally tend to be :p it's amazing how little space they actually take inside! so don't get discouraged by nay-sayers, follow your heart and as long as you have everything covered (plan a, b, and c! LOL) you'll be fiiiine!
good luck! :highfive:
October 4th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Ditto mummum, I completly agree, as long as you are going to provide your dog with all the basics of life and some, it doesnt matter how much space you have.
Wish you luck with your Bullmastiff! ( when you get it);)
October 4th, 2006, 10:07 PM
:thumbs up I totally agree....If you can give it good long walks (or time at a park) then go for it! Our Boxer had plenty of room in our apartment, and was quiet happy. (we live in a house now...) I say let the misinformed be and prove that a dog can be just as happy and content in your apartment. ;)
October 4th, 2006, 10:22 PM
You can tell them- it's better to be in an apartment than a house when the mastiff is a puppy because the stairs aren't good for its developing joints. ;) (I assume you won't be making the pup climb stairs... :fingerscr )
Jemma and Boo came to us when we were in a small apartment. They probably got walked more then than they do now... :o And a well exercised doggy sleeps at home anyway.
I say if you're ready for this permanent challenge, go for it.
October 4th, 2006, 11:09 PM
I agree with everyone else. As long as you are willing to exercise and totally commit yourself to your fur baby, and there's no problem with your landlord, there's nothing wrong with having any dog in an apartment.
October 4th, 2006, 11:16 PM
there's no problem with your landlord, there's nothing wrong with having any dog in an apartment.
well there are certain breeds NOT suited to appartment life (working nordic breeds come to mind) but a bullmastiff should do just fine :)
October 5th, 2006, 12:48 AM
IMO, the size of your apartment or house often has nothing to do with how happy your dog will be. You could have a very large yard, but if the dog doesn't get enough attention and exercise it's not going to be as happy as an apartment dog who gets walks every day and lots of attention.
Any dog needs the right amount of mental and physical stimulation, and whether or not they get it is determined by how you treat the dog, not the size of your living quarters.
October 5th, 2006, 08:46 AM
I live in a house, and Hunter just sleeps around most of the day :dog: mummummum is right. As long as you give it exercise/walks, it doesn't matter where you live (provided that it has enough room to stretch him/herself out once in a while. If they get enough exercise, they just eat, sleep, and chew on their toys at your feet the rest of the time :D
October 5th, 2006, 09:46 AM
I have a rottweiler in a smallish 4 1/2, and does great. I had him since he was 9 1/2 weeks old which helped. The breeder helped crate training before he came home. As for exercise, I find people with Apts exercise the dog more due to lack of space. Not all, but home owners with back yards tend to leave the dog to exercise themselves. Which by the way many do not, they just stand there unless a bird or squirel.( as I said not all). As long as the dog is in a healthy enviroment, people there, water, food, love, vet care the dog will be happy, and so will you be.
Harley is now just turned 2, and he is a happy camper, and is also now sharing his home with 2 kitties.
Do not allow people to make you feel in adequate. If you believe you can give this puppy enough exercise, and love, go for it...
P.S, careful where you get your puppy from, I know a few breeders in Ont.
October 5th, 2006, 12:27 PM
My cousin has a very small house and her VERY LARGE dog was happy and content there. I have 2500 square feet, a decent size, and every inch of it is taken up by my 12 pounder who is everywhere at once. Toys all over the place (he never picks up after himself:rolleyes: ) and then he pulls our things all around the house as well. It's really true what they say--size doesn't matter.;)
The people who are discouraging you aren't well informed. Better a doggie in an apartment with loving owners than in a big house with people who don't look after his needs. You'll be fine.
You should enjoy looking forward to getting a dog. Don't let anyone rain on your parade!
October 5th, 2006, 06:14 PM
All of you guys totally rock!! Thank you for the words of encouragment!
I am 100% commited to my animals, and I believe that bf and I are up to the puppy/apartment challange.
I guess I just have to ignore those people, who believe that keeping a dog in an apartment is cruel. I just have to prove them wrong by having a happy and healthy dog! :thumbs up
So I suppose over the next 6-7 months starts the puppy search.
P.S, careful where you get your puppy from, I know a few breeders in Ont.
Any help or advice is more than greatly appreciated :D
October 7th, 2006, 06:19 PM
As another mentioned be careful who you get you pup from and check them out with the CKC, the pups may cost a bit more than many other breeds as the breed is known to have whelping problems and there is a lot of genetic testing and screening for possible health problems that a responsible breeder will do and they are only going to use only the best quality dogs for breeding and they are going to know their breeding pairs pedigrees like that back of their hand and that is important in saving you dollars and grief, you can probably start your search now already as breeding are usually planned well in advance and pups can already be pre-sold well before the actual births and sometimes even before the actual matings, most breeders do not breed specifically for the pet market so they only have ocassional breedings, so if you want to have a well bred pup you need to get in early and be pre approved, the earlier the better as most pups will be sold to those who are showing and often under a co-ownership, not every pup in the litter will be show material so this is what is what you are putting your name in for, so as to have the first option to purchase any that are not show material and you may have a choice from a couple, the reason they may not be show material is often nothing that detract from their health they may be the runt of the litter and may end up to small they may have a coloring or patch of colour that may not be acceptable for showing, it could be physical as they shoulder slope is wrong, an eyelid not quite shaped right or in rough play with the littermate they may get a torn ear or scar or maybe coat is not full enough or build is too slender, an under or overbite. So check some of the breeders websites they often will post about future planned breedings, chances are the pups will be ready for their new homes around the time you are ready to get one if you start now, it will also give you a chance to screen the breeder ahead of time, if you wait you may grab a pup simply because it is available now and scared that if you take the time to screen the breeder first the pup will go to someone else before you learn if they are responsible breeder or not, so could cause the potential for a hasty purchase.
And this site will give you good reasons why you want to research your breeder and why a well bred bullmastiff pup from a reponsible breeder will not be all that easy to find
The temperment issue is very, very important as stated in the site, there is no way you can look at a puppy and determine what the pups temperment will be like a year later, if there is a problem it won't start showing up till the pup is 8 or 9 months old and even then it can be hard to determine if the behaviour is simply teenage rebellion or a tempermant flaw so breeding lines and champion show pedigrees are very important in helping to determine if a pup is likely going to have a good temperament and several generations of prior mental soundness helps to ensure that as genetic problems can skip a couple generations so seeing the temperament of the parents only is not enough to ensure the pups temperament as it maturesbut if you seen 4 or 5 generations of champions on both sides of the pups pedigree(dam and sires) chances are extremely good that the pup will be tempermentally sound as well. I made the mistake of going thru a backyard breeder for a german shepherd puppy both sire and dam was on site, the pup started obediences lesson s early and everything was perfect for the first few months and the pup seemed like the most perfect dog in the world, I was in heaven as he was one of the best puppies I had had ever had and even the trainer was so impressed with him and insisted I go into advanced training since he was so smart and eager to learn then as he hit puberty things started crumbling, and his behaviour changed and he started acting aggressive whiche stunned me as I had dogs most of my life and never had problems like I was suddenly seeing, I took him to the vets thinking it was a medical problem but the vet could not find nothing but he was getting worse so I ended up finding a behaviourist who had a university degree and studies animal psycology he also assessed german shepherds for police training and did training of them, he did the behavioural assessments and the results were not good at all, the only recommendation he could offer was to euthanize the pup was very unstable and did not respond as a tempermentally sound dog should, the verdict I had a hard time coming to terms with and it was a few months later when I watched him crash into the fence to get at a toddler my neighbors grandchild that I accepted how potentially dangerous he was and also accepted that any small mistake on my part could result in him killing or maiming someone and not something I wanted to live with on my conscience, so I had him put down with me by his side, even though I love the german shepherd breed I could not bring myself to get another shepherd puppy :sad: , you are looking for a breed that is much bigger and more powerful and also a breed that can have genetic temperment flaws so just as important to go thru a responsible breeder so you don't find yourself faced with the same emotional roller coaster h#ll I went thru with Hobie and a very painful heartrending lesson, it is not worth the few dollars you may save or the ease of obtaining a pup.
There is a listing for Ontario here http://www.dogsincanada.com/breeds/index.html thought they are listed you do need to check them out
October 7th, 2006, 06:51 PM
I have 2 lovely pups and 2 cats in a 1 bdrm apt. and we all get long just wonderfully.... sometimes when the dogs are playing and fighting they get in the way, but really arent most dogs underfoot from time to time??:D I have even found a little fenced in area the street from where i live that is the size of a large backyard that i take the boys to everyday so they can get some off leash exercise(i cant really take them off leash too many places b/c i have a husky who will run away and a very skiddish dog who would gets scared easily and bolts) plus they get a bunch of walks everyday. I have people in my building who give me snarky remarks all the time (esp about my large husky x) but as he sits there and wags his tail smiling his big doopey smile i just say "he seems to like it" and they shut right up :thumbs up
October 8th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I'm strongly a std. poodle person for now, and have never owned a bull mastiff or anyother type of mastiffs. But I have known several neopolitans, and they were calm, well behaved, and exceptionally trained. They would thrive where ever their family took them--could even live in a motorhome.
I have had a Great Dane, tho, and knowing what I know about the breed if I were a landlord, I'd rather have 'Danes around than a lot of other breeds. My Gus and I lived in a small (old, 1959 model) trailer when I was in college. He did well (he was a damn nice dog with a loving owner who took him places!) didn't develop any space issues or destructiveness, and didn't, I don't think, bother the neighbors with a lot of barking when I went to school for hours and hours and left him home.
My big dog was absolutely amazing with children, every dane I've ever met has been sweet with kids, and tended to be protective.
Contrary to logic or popular opinion, the giants (mastiffs, danes, etc.) don't require a lot more space than a small dog. They curl up pretty compact when they sleep, like to sit on the couch with their people, and love to look out the window and watch the world. And it was my experience with the danes, that they didn't require all that much space for exercise--taking my big feller for a run was a matter of getting the frisbee out and finding a place that didn't go into a panic if he was off lead for a few minutes. (He always came when called, and we had a stop and drop command.)
As I say, I've never had a mastiff (surprised mastifflover hasn't chimed in!) but the bad thing about Great Danes is that their health declines after about 7 years and they're gone at 10 years. An 11 year old Great Dane is ancient. They burn so brightly, but die so young. And that is heartbreaking! My Gus is the dog by which all other dogs are and will be compared, and he's been gone 20 years now.
Btw, there's a Mastiff rescue in the next valley (5 miles away) from where I live. http://www.sugarlandranch.org/
October 8th, 2006, 07:08 PM
btw, I forgot to add that when I was in my small apartment, it was more dog proof and easier for a dog to live in than most houses I have been in. Wherever you have a dog will be home enough if it is prepared for him (or her). If where you live is like a museum with special glass vases everywhere, then regardless of the size, that is not a place for a dog.