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Poor Little Bear

erykah1310
September 16th, 2006, 01:49 PM
This summer this was a mother bear and her cub hanging around down the road. When I first saw him he was just tiny.
Today I saw him again in the field by the road, standing there all alone.
Apparenly his momma was killed by hunters ( so the word on the road is)
He's got to be afraid and hungry. I doubt he will survive the winter alone. He is young. ( prolly about the size of a 3 month old Rottie pup but built, well like a bear)
I called MNR and they are going to get back to me and perhaps trap him.
I dont know what they will do with him though???
I just dont want him to suffer, freeze to death or starve come winter.
Lets all hope MNR comes soon.:fingerscr

Frenchy
September 16th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Maybe they can re locate him in a zoo? Not the best of solution but better than to put him down.:sad:

erykah1310
September 16th, 2006, 01:57 PM
If that is what they see fit for the little guy atleast he wont be suffering all alone on the side of the road to get run over and left for dead.
No hunter out there is going to kill him, for there is clearly not any meat on him. Its so sad.

rainbow
September 16th, 2006, 04:59 PM
There are a few places in B.C. that take in orphaned cubs so they don't end up in a zoo. Maybe Ontario has the same. :fingerscr

chico2
September 16th, 2006, 05:17 PM
Oh Erykah that's terrible:sad: why hunt bears:confused: especially moms with cubs,it's sickening to say the least!
I have had no great experiences with the MNR,all I know about them is about killing,after they killed 3000 cormorants and I don't know how many thousand raccoons and foxes a couple of years ago,they will more than likely kill him:sad: Poor baby bear:pawprint:

rainbow
September 16th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Erykah, is this place close to you? :fingerscr

www.bearwithus.org/index.htm

papillonmama
September 16th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Oh that's so sad. I hope they can find a sanctuary to take him. :pray:

Writing4Fun
September 16th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Or how about these (http://www.bearcreeksanctuary.com/)guys?

erykah1310
September 17th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Rainbow and W4F thanks for the links.
Unfortunately W4F the site you showed is approx 4 hours away. However! Rainbows sanctuary is only about 2 -2.5 hours away
I emailed them and am hoping for a reply. :fingerscr

rainbow
September 17th, 2006, 01:17 AM
I'll keep my fingers crossed. :fingerscr

chico2
September 17th, 2006, 08:59 AM
"Bear with us"seems like just the right place,I hope you get a positive reply:fingerscr

Shaykeija
September 18th, 2006, 11:46 PM
There is a place near Sudbury that works with orphaned bear cubs. They keep them over winter and release them back to the wild when they are ready to go. You should call MNR is Sudbury and find our where this place is.

rainbow
September 19th, 2006, 02:14 AM
Erykah....any updates?

rainbow
September 24th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Erykah....what happened to the bear cub? :fingerscr

erykah1310
September 24th, 2006, 06:30 PM
he/she is still hanging around, MNR hasnt returned a call to me yet and nothing from "Bear With Us " eiter.:confused:
I guess that one little cub isnt at the top of anyones priority list???
Im going to try to call the vet in Sudbury who also is a wild life rehab center. Its getting colder and the little cub still seems to be lost. Sitting in the middle of a feild in the middle of the day. ( doesnt seem right to me)

cpietra16
September 24th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Probably waiting for his mom to come back....do you hear him cry?:(

rainbow
September 24th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Erykah, I know you're really busy with Larry right now but could you keep contacting Bear With Us and the vet in Sudbury until you get an answer? MNR would probably be more inclined to destroy the cub. :(

Please keep us posted. :fingerscr

chico2
September 25th, 2006, 08:10 AM
Erykah,it must be heartbreaking watching a little bear suffer:sad: somebody HAS to do something.
Isn't it also hunting-season right now???Don't know if that also includes bears:yell:

erykah1310
September 25th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Bear is opened right now too, thats what happened to his mom. He doesnt cry a whole lot when i park the truck on the road and watch him from a distance. He just eats with the geese. ( I would kill for my digital camera right now)
I am going to keep on trying anyone who may listen. I think MNR isnt responding because bear hunting is open and they prolly figure some hunter will shoot him, but no hunter is going to use a tag for him, hes too tiny.
I will keep you all posted.

chico2
September 25th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I HATE hunting-season and MNR:evil:

Toonces
September 25th, 2006, 07:06 PM
I would not contact the mnr again they will most likely come out and shoot him or her, we had the same thing here with 2 abandon fawns, mom was killed and I contacted a few sanctuaries close by and they told me NOT to contact the mnr as they would come shoot them, unfortunality a few weeks ago we lost one fawn to a speeding driver, the opp had to come shoot her right in my front yard:sad: the other one is still around and safe for now.

rainbow
September 25th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Erykah, have you been phoning or emailing Bear With Us and the vet's rehab centre?

chico2
September 26th, 2006, 08:00 AM
I remember a couple of years back,when a girl here at the Forum found 5 orphaned baby-coons,she called everywhere to get help,to no avail.
The MNR had ordered thousands of raccoons and foxes to be killed,because of a nonexisting rabiesscare.
No rescue was allowed to keep orphaned animals alive.
Only one of her orphans survived and she nurtured it until it one day said goodbye and joined his wild friends.
I have no great faith in the MNR,IMO they are more concerned with hunters rights,than our native animals.
I :fingerscr that someone will respond and rescue this poor baby,I cannot imagine having to watch him every day,without being able to help:sad:

rainbow
October 2nd, 2006, 02:03 PM
Any news yet, Erykah? I keep thinking of this poor little guy. :fingerscr

erykah1310
October 2nd, 2006, 05:33 PM
Absolutely nothing yet. He ( or she ) is still out there, the vet rehab place doesnt take "healthy" animals. Bear with Us, hasnt responded to any of my emails and still no word from mnr ( I havent called them back either)
Im worried though cause he seems slim. I really dont think he will survive the winter if left there. I go by daily to see him ( with binocs) and he seems to be kinda sickly looking now.:frustrated: :sad:
I dont know what to do now?
Its sad to say, but I would almost rather him be dead than suffering like this.:sad:

rainbow
October 2nd, 2006, 06:57 PM
If he seems to be kinda sickly looking then he's not healthy. Did you tell the rehab place that he is skinny and looks sick? And they still refused to take him? :eek: Could you try phoning Bear With Us?

Inverness
October 2nd, 2006, 08:09 PM
Erykah, where do you live ? You don't seem to show up on Mapquest... :o

erykah1310
October 2nd, 2006, 08:27 PM
Search Verner, thats the closest town.
I too cant believe how little help there actually can be at times. I guess everyone is busy:confused: :shrug:

Inverness
October 2nd, 2006, 09:42 PM
I just spoke to our local wildlife rehab center. We are trying to speak to some people here and I've sent a message to a wildlife sanctuary up North, not too far from where you are. We're trying to figure out how to get the cub captured and transfered, or get a hold of people in your area.

In the meantime, in order to keep him alive, here's the recommandations coming form the rehab center:

Try and feed the cub everyday if possible, so he stays near. You can give him whole milk (the fatter the better - do you know farmers in your area who could sell you unpasteurized whole milk ?), fruits (bananas), peanut butter sandwiches. Just leave the food there, he'll feed on its own. He could drink as much as 3-4L of milk a day. You can add some honey in the milk.

I'm hoping to have an answer for you tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. If you could just check up on the little guy to make sure he is there and still alive.

We're working on it ! :thumbs up

erykah1310
October 2nd, 2006, 09:47 PM
Iverness THANKYOU!!! your an angel:angel: I can get some fresh milk where I get my meat, the farmers are great.
I will put some out tomorrow for him. I cant begin to thank you enough for trying so hard to help.

Inverness
October 2nd, 2006, 10:31 PM
Got a reply from the Sanctuary up North. I have three phone numbers to call tomorrow, should be able to speak with someone, and I'll let you know what they say. If they can't take him, then they might have a solution to propose.

erykah1310
October 2nd, 2006, 10:32 PM
Once again THANK YOU so much!

And im sure the little bear and his momma's spirit thank you too for your kindness.

rainbow
October 2nd, 2006, 10:48 PM
Inverness, thank you for getting involved in this. I hate to think what would have happened to this poor little cub. You are an absolute angel. :angel:

Inverness
October 2nd, 2006, 10:52 PM
Erykah, I will PM you with the contact info I am receiving - if you could send a couple of emails or even better call, that would help a lot. :thumbs up

Contact info for the Aspen Valley Wildlife Sanctuary coming your way !

erykah1310
October 2nd, 2006, 11:57 PM
Will do, I will call, always better to speak in person.

chico2
October 3rd, 2006, 07:48 AM
OMG,light at the end of the tunnel:fingerscr
Inverness again you step in to help,can't thank you enough,hopefully there'll be help for this little guy:pray:
Can anyone tell me,why "hunters"are allowed to kill bears,when we all know this time of the year there are cubs and mama bear will hibernate soon with her babies:sad:
Good Luck Erykah and baby-bear!

Inverness
October 3rd, 2006, 01:11 PM
Erykah, if it's ok with you, I would need you to PM me your phone number. I am in touch with Bear With Us, we will need to be able to call you. :)

Inverness
October 4th, 2006, 07:20 AM
Erykah, have you spoken to someone at Aspen Valley Sanctuary ? They were recommended to me by several people who have all dealt with them before and only had positive comments about it.

rainbow
October 4th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Has anything happened yet?

Inverness
October 4th, 2006, 05:17 PM
Has anything happened yet?

I'm just waiting to hear if Erykah has spoken to the Sanctuary before I give her phone number out to Bear With Us. I wouldn't want to bother too many people if someone has already commited to rescuing the little guy. I was told that Aspen Valley is a wonderful place and that they should cooperate immediately.

Dog Dancer
October 4th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Maybe Erykah is out feeding the bear! Inverness - there seems to be no end to your compassion and helpfulness:angel: Where would this world be without people like you - and Erykah too of course. Good luck with this little bear. :fingerscr

chico2
October 4th, 2006, 05:41 PM
I agree 300%the animals are lucky to have Inverness on their side:love:

rainbow
October 4th, 2006, 05:42 PM
Erykah was just here on the forum posting. Maybe she just hasn't come to this thread yet.

rainbow
October 4th, 2006, 05:44 PM
I agree 300%the animals are lucky to have Inverness on their side:love:


I'll second that. :angel:

erykah1310
October 4th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Okay, I tried to call the number that was given to me by Iverness, no answer ( perhaps too late???) I emailed the whole story to them and also said that I would call tomorrow in the early afternoon.

Iverness, you got a response from Bear With Us??? I emailed them a while back and never heard anything.

Iwould like if you could give my contact info out to them. And just this instant I got a mailerdaemon message so Im going to go and resend that email to aspen valley.

erykah1310
October 4th, 2006, 08:46 PM
And last nite i went and put some fresh milk (straight from the cow) out for the little guy, the ice cream container was overturned tonite when i went to recheck. :fingerscr Hope he drank it.
I left him some goodies too. Fruits and I unthawed some of my blueberries for him too.

Inverness
October 4th, 2006, 09:49 PM
Okay, I tried to call the number that was given to me by Iverness, no answer ( perhaps too late???) I emailed the whole story to them and also said that I would call tomorrow in the early afternoon.

Iverness, you got a response from Bear With Us??? I emailed them a while back and never heard anything.

Iwould like if you could give my contact info out to them. And just this instant I got a mailerdaemon message so Im going to go and resend that email to aspen valley.

Yes, I got a reply from Bear With Us a couple of hours after I had emailed them. I answered the questions they were asking, told them where you are approximately, and now I'm waiting to hear back.

I can write back to them and give them your contact info, no problem. However, I have received a great number of positive messages about Aspen Valley Sanctuary and if you get a hold of them, I think the cub would be in great hands. Do try and call them back tomorrow, it's worth a shot.

I also have the phone numbers to reach the people from the Michel Pageau sanctuary in Amos (North of QC), so this is a possibility too.

Let us know if you talk to someone from Aspen Valley. :thumbs up

rainbow
October 6th, 2006, 07:59 PM
Any luck yet? I guess nobody will come until after the long weekend. I hope the little guy is still hanging around because you're feeding him. :fingerscr

erykah1310
October 6th, 2006, 08:14 PM
I put some more food out for him. ( went and did some groceries for the little guy) He didnt seem to touch last nites milk and "cookies" ( fruits) But it is apparent that he was around before i got there.(fresh poops) Hope he eats todays goodies.

I am calling back Aspen tomorrow morning.:fingerscr

chico2
October 7th, 2006, 07:53 AM
We see it all the time in heartwarming documentarys,how different groups rescue orphaned bearcubs,but maybe that's only on TV.
I guess it's not always easy to get a hold of them,there must be many babies out there orphaned and suffering:sad:
I hope this little guy is big enough to eat on his own,but I suppose he must be,or he would already have died.
I fret over an orphaned squirrel,I cannot imagine having to watch a bearcub.
:fingerscr that someone will respond soon:fingerscr
Inverness,Erykah:grouphug:

Inverness
October 7th, 2006, 09:45 AM
If it doesn't work with Aspen, then let me know. We have two other options.

rainbow
October 10th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Has anything happened yet? :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

rainbow
October 12th, 2006, 03:52 PM
Bump. :fingerscr

Inverness
October 12th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I'm sorry, I really don't know. I'm waiting to hear from Erykah. My local rehab center is on stand-by too as we could even get the cub tranported here.

Erykah must be very busy, I'm sure she will post when she has the time.

erykah1310
October 13th, 2006, 06:44 AM
k,
a few things have happened, firstly, I am "too far" for a bear that may be alright.:shrug:

secondly, MNR tried calling me 2 days ago couldnt reach me so they called my dad ( second contact number) they told him that judging by the size of the cub, he will most likely hibernate fine. ( and to relocate him now could cause more issues by him not knowing where he is)

thirdly, while I was gone, my dad went and fed the little guy and he said he isnt eating much of the m'nummies we leave for him. He is still around but not eating much. perhaps he is alright?!?!?!:fingerscr Any way, Iverness,is your local place willing to come here?

Mnr, has plans to trap him in the spring and relocate him to somewhere with less traffic ( human and vehicle).

On another side note, I called one place that was really local and I was excited... However It turned out that it was a "bear hunt" resort kinda thing for americans.:eek: IS that even legal??

I would like to appologize for not responding with updates more frequently, I am sorry.

chico2
October 13th, 2006, 07:22 AM
Erykah,how does the MNR know the size of the bear,without seeing him??
I have absolutely no faith in them,they are more hunter-friendly than animal-friendly.
I am sure you are doing everything,nobody here doubts that and maybe he will be ok.:fingerscr
MNR says relocating him could be bad for him,but if he was kept in a sanctuary,where he could be protected,I am sure he would be better off.
Where he is now,he is also an easy target for the"hunters"out there:evil:
Yes,those horrific"hunting"places,where captured animals are murdered by "brave" hunters still excist,maybe(I think)more in the US,but it's not only Americans that do this.:evil:
Good Luck to you and the little bear:fingerscr :love:

erykah1310
October 13th, 2006, 07:28 AM
MNR went out to see him. ( as they said) but im sure alot of people have been calling them regarding this little guy. Where he hangs out is where everyone from town does their daily walks. He hasnt bothered anyone, but I am sure that he is getting brave around humans ( he was born around there somewhere, I remember seeing little wee cubs and a momma this spring) There was 2 cubs with the momma, i dont know if he is one of them cubs:shrug:

I know not only americans hunt bears, but it is a HUGE tourist attraction in this area, I rember growing up my family was the care takers of this summer camp close to here and in the spring it was FULL with bear hunters from all over Canada and the US.

Inverness
October 13th, 2006, 09:16 AM
Any way, Iverness,is your local place willing to come here?



The rehab center here had told me they could probably help him, but they would need the help of MNR to capture him. If I remember well, I was told the wildlife staff had said they could help with the capture. I'll check again and I'll let you know.

So nothing from Aspen Valley ?

rainbow
October 14th, 2006, 12:02 AM
Fingers crossed. :fingerscr :fingerscr

Inverness
October 14th, 2006, 09:56 AM
Bear With Us just emailed me this morning to check on the status of this pup. What should I tell him ? Erykah, maybe I should give him your phone number so you can talk to him ?

rainbow
October 15th, 2006, 11:33 PM
BUMP :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

mummummum
October 16th, 2006, 12:18 AM
Double bump
:fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

Come on Bear:angel: 's be looking out for this little guy !!!!!!!

rainbow
October 16th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Has anything happened yet? :fingerscr

rainbow
November 4th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Just wondering how the little guy is doing? Is he still hanging around or has he moved on?

erykah1310
May 24th, 2007, 09:43 AM
MNR WAS RIGHT!
This morning I was leaving with B to head to the vet. Took the morning off, and in the field where the tragic bear was last year... WAS A BEAR!:D
I dont know if its the same one or not, but it could be, this one is still small ( well not your typical bear size but not tiny either) He was just grazing and routing around.
I stopped the car to take a good look, the little guy got up on his hind legs and sniffed at the car then proceeded to graze!
I wish I would have had my camera, I was so close to him.
Anyways I was pretty excited about the whole thing so after bringing B to the vet I stopped at my cousins ( which is where i am now) cause I figured there are a few of you who really would like to know this.
I really hope it is the same one.
If not its kinda strange that a new bear would be in the exact same spot as the last one.:shrug:
:pray: It is the little one from last year.
I am going to make sure I always have my crappy cam from now on, I really want a picture of him.

hazelrunpack
May 24th, 2007, 09:47 AM
What great news! I'll bet it is the same bear! :highfive: :fingerscr

erykah1310
May 24th, 2007, 09:50 AM
I honestly didnt think he would make it, he was so small.
Maybe the late hibernation and early "un hibernation "( good thing I work for hydro and not MNR with that term huh lol) He may have just got enough food for him to survive the winter. And thank God (or whoever you choose )that it was a warm winter.

Skryker
May 24th, 2007, 10:14 AM
:highfive: Great news! I really hope it is the same poor little one. :fingerscr S/he puts on lots of weight this summer for next winter.

rainbow
June 1st, 2007, 03:56 PM
Thanks for the update Erykah. :thumbs up One would think it's the same one......I really hope so too. :fingerscr

chico2
June 1st, 2007, 04:49 PM
:pray: nobody decides to shoot him:fingerscr