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Has anybody tried this food called Orijen?

SuperWanda
September 11th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Saw this food today and wondered if anyone has tried it? any thoughts about a no grain food being better for carnivores?


http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/about/

Prin
September 11th, 2006, 02:44 PM
Looks really good.
It looks similar to some of the Timberwolf Organics foods, but with no poultry-less option and slightly better ingredients (and more fish).

I can't try it because of Boo with his chicken intolerance, though.:frustrated:

Hey!! Check out their senior food! Finally a company that keeps up to date! :)

SuperWanda
September 11th, 2006, 04:38 PM
It looks like good food - I wish I could find out what my allergic dog is allergic to - maybe I should do a test with just chicken and see what happens. I have heard that blood test for allergies aren't very definitive. How did you learn your dog was allergic to chicken? - through trial and error or did you have a test of some type done?

Prin
September 11th, 2006, 04:57 PM
With Boo it was trial and error. It was pretty easy because I switched to lamb and rice and he stopped throwing up all the time. :D With Jemma, it's a bit harder. She's allergic to grains more, and I'm not sure I've figured them all out yet. For sure she's allergic to wheat and corn because one wheat/corn cookie and her ears flare up, and ragweed makes her feet and anal glands itchy, but there could be other things too...:shrug:

Oh, but this food would be a good place to start since the grains (or grain-replacements ;)) are very unusual.:)

rainbow
September 11th, 2006, 06:35 PM
The lady at the pet store told me that Champion Pet Foods was coming out with a new product. I had been communicating with Peter there about removing the menadione from their Acana dog food. The last I heard from him he said they would look into it.

I checked the website and it's still in the Acana but noticed the Orijen food doesn't contain it. Well, that's a step in the right direction and it looks like a really good food.

SuperWanda
September 12th, 2006, 01:14 PM
Yes - I had emailed asking if their food contained ethoxyquin and that Peter you mentioned emailed back right away to say that there is no ethoxyquin.

I bought the sample bag and my dogs love it so I might give it a try - perhaps my dogs allergies are related to the protein in grains and so I'd like to see how she does on this.

Mind you, I feel a little like I am experimenting with them since these grain-free foods are a relatively new concept. Although it is one that makes complete sense to me - I've never seen a carnivore cook up rice and barley to have along with their meat! :)

rainbow
September 12th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Please let us know how your dog does on the Orijen. Just out of curiousity, how expensive is it?

technodoll
September 12th, 2006, 02:15 PM
their White Paper is very interesting. Very sound facts and research. they admit to dogs being carnivores, not adapted to eating grains, carbs, etc... so basically, Orijen is a "cooked raw diet in a bag", LOL! what an oxymoron though... too funny! :D

rainbow
September 12th, 2006, 04:28 PM
Maybe they're trying to help the people that would like to try raw but have reservations like they don't like the mess, don't have the time, don't have the space or it's just not convenient. :shrug:

Perhaps, it's the best of both worlds. :D

SuperWanda
September 12th, 2006, 04:30 PM
I'll let you know the cost when they have some of the big bags in - they were apparently on the way. I just bought a couple of the sample sizes to see how they liked it.

technodoll
September 12th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Maybe they're trying to help the people that would like to try raw but have reservations like they don't like the mess, don't have the time, don't have the space or it's just not convenient.

oh, i wasn't bashing the food or anything, just making a point that anything baked and in a bag is NOT anything close to a raw diet, no matter how they market it. :D it's just a kibble with no grains, but it's still a kibble. the elimination of cheap grains and fillers is definitely a step in the right direction, for sure! :thumbs up

but if someone wants to try the raw diet, feeding anything from a bag is a far cry and it's the confusing, sneaky marketing that gets me going, you know? people are not getting what they think they are getting... :shrug: it's pretty fun however, to see the competition that's happening now among petfood companies, to see who can come out with the bestest products! that means more choices for us consumers. whooo! :highfive:

SuperWanda
September 13th, 2006, 09:27 AM
Well, I've only introduced a 1/4 cup in with the solid gold and my allergic dog is already chewing at the back of her legs and there is a big red sore area developing - I guess chicken is a no go for her. Too bad - I thought it looked like a good food - liked the higher protein and more meat!

I still like the solid gold but I wish the meat content was higher!

rainbow
September 13th, 2006, 07:15 PM
What about EVO...they have a beef formula.

Prin
September 13th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Solid Gold Barking at the moon might be better- salmon and beef, with 42%...:shrug:

SuperWanda
September 13th, 2006, 11:08 PM
Man, I am just as confused as ever - I think the high protein is giving them looser stools - probably because of the lack of grains? - maybe this is not the solution!

I just read a thing about grains not being sooo terrible (don't ask me where that was) I have probably been to a million sites :eek:

I think I'll just stick with the wolf king - I was just concerned that too much of the protein was from grains. I don't even really know if that is a bad thing - I have read that it is and read that it's not!

Also - by-products - seems like some say this is bad but apparently a lot of nutrition comes from the by-products.

I think I need to rest my brain for awhile!!!

Prin
September 13th, 2006, 11:12 PM
No, no byproducts! The only people who say byproducts are good are the people selling them. Definitely no.

The high protein food should do the opposite. The grainier the food, the more fast fiber and the looser the stool. From what I hear, Evo and like foods can cause constipation more than anything else. :shrug:

I like the wolf king and the grains are more digestible than most, IMO, expecially the millet. :shrug: My doggies are doing well on it and I like the ingredients as a whole.:)

technodoll
September 13th, 2006, 11:13 PM
people! stop making it all so complicated! LOL

get chicken. cut in quarters. hand to dog for his dinner. DONE! everything your pooch needs in perfect balance for optimal health, and minimal headache to you! :thumbs up

ok that was the simplified version, but i just had to say it. :shrug:

back to the regularly scheduled program... stick with what you feel comfortable feeding. for everything you read, you will find opposing views. so... mabye too much research is not always a good idea. find something you believe in and stick with it. :)

SuperWanda
September 14th, 2006, 09:33 AM
I think that's the problem - I don't know what to believe in - one day I believe one thing, the next day I believe another :yell:

I think I should stick with a fish based diet for allergies. I would like to give my sensitive tummy dog a chicken based one but then the allergy dog feels like she is being slighted. I suppose I could feed in a different room.

As long as the wolf king is nice and digestible.

By the way, does anyone know why these higher end dog food companies do not have AAFCO labels? Have I just opened another can of worms here?

Goldens4Ever
November 29th, 2006, 02:29 AM
I am interested to hear if anyone else has tried this food & their dogs have done well on it.....? Good, bad outcomes....???? It does look good & I also appreciated the facts that were stated on the 'white sheet' on their website. I read somewhere that the protein levels in the large breed puppy formula MIGHT be too high.....???

Prin
November 29th, 2006, 02:32 AM
It's more about the calcium content. Evo is bad for puppies because it would encourage fast growth in puppies (bad). But the ideal for a large breed would be under 1%, and lower as the breed gets bigger (i.e. saints need lower calcium than labs), and yeah, at 1.4% it's high, IMO.

Reen
November 29th, 2006, 10:56 PM
One of my dogs has corn and wheat allergies and has done great on Orijen. We moved the other dog onto it as well, and her stomach has also settled down.

It's considered a premium food at about $60/large bag, not much more than Science Diet or some of those brands.

tully
January 19th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Hi Wanda,
I am new so I hope I am doing this correctly? I saw that you are having some issues with your dog and allergies. I have a Male chocolate Lab who started having skin issues at 4 months old. What I did was cook for him for about three months. I either did chicken and veggies with sweet potatos or hamburger meat with veggies and potatos. I used olive oil and salmon oil. After that, I started using Regal Sensi-bites which is made up of turkey and rice. I noticed you think your dog has an allergy to chicken. If you have a health food store near by you can get buffalo and ostrich instead of chicken. If you can't cook for him/her due to time constraints I would try the regal and add some canned wysong meat to it. I am a big fan of the canned meat Wysong. You can get duck, turkey, venison, beef, rabbit. So ,you have a lot of choices!!!!! I feed my dog the canned wysong meat and the regal sensi bites. He has done wonderfully! I believe in less is more and Regal has about 5 ingredients and that is it. Also, you really want to get some salmon oil for your dog. That one thing can do wonders! It is surprising! Just wanted to share with you. Hope this is helpful. Tully

Prin
January 19th, 2007, 03:47 PM
Can you post the ingredient list of your regal food? I've never heard of it and their website doesn't seem to work properly...

Cathy1
January 19th, 2007, 05:23 PM
The website works or me. Just Kidding. I found a store that sells it.
Regal Sensi-bites

Created for dogs with digestive tract sensitivity, food allergies or intolerances with turkey and rice. Approved by vet allergy labs. Great for improving skin and coat condition. INGREDIENTS: TURKEY MEAL, GROUND RICE, OAT MEAL, BEET PULP, VEGETABLE OIL, LECITHIN, FISH OIL, NATURAL FLAVORS, CALCIUM CARBONATE, SEA SALT, DL-METHIONINE (ESSENTIAL AMINO ACID), L-LYSINE (ESSENTIAL AMINO ACID), OLIVE OIL, CHOLINE CHLORIDE, VITAMINE C, POTASSUIM SULFATE, IRON SULFATE, VITAMINE E SUPPLEMENT, ZINC OXIDE. VITAMIN & MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS: ZINC PROTEINATE, IRON PROTEINATE, CITRIC ACID (PRESERVATIVE), MANGANESE OXIDE, MANGANESE PROTEINATE, VITAMIN A SUPPLEMENT, NIACIN SUPPLEMENT, PANTOTHENIC ACID, RIBOFLAVIN SUPPLEMENT (VITAMIN B2), COPPER PROTEINATE, COPPER SULFATE, THIAMINE MONONITRATE (VITAMINE B1), PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT, MENADIOME DIMETHYLPRIMIDIMOL BRISULRITE (VITAMINE K), FOLIC ACID, BIOTIN SUPPLEMENT, CALCIUM IODATE (SOURCE OF IODINE), SODIUM SELENITE (SOURCE OF SELEMUM), VITAMINE B12 SUPPLEMENT. CRUDE PROTEIN - NOT LESS THAN 23% CRUDE FAT- NOT LESS THEN 14% CRUDE FIBER - NOT MORE THE 4% MOSTURE - NOT MORE THEN 10%

Scott_B
January 19th, 2007, 06:43 PM
holy beet pulp!:eek:

Prin
January 19th, 2007, 08:55 PM
Uhh... Ok... Some of those ingredients are on the "to avoid" list... Like vegetable oil and fish oil- unspecified sources, especially for the fish here, should be avoided. Plus it has menadione, which if you search here, is banned for human consumption and should be strongly avoided...

Beet pulp, being so high on the ingredient list is a bit of a worry. It's a stool hardener...

Not too great a food... IMO, the DVP Natural Balance allergy formulas are better than this one.:shrug:

Ginnys
January 20th, 2007, 02:39 AM
Check out http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/
Orijen is rated as a 6-star food, but does come with some cautions. Read the review associated with food you are thinking of feeding.

jesse's mommy
January 20th, 2007, 07:59 AM
Now I know Merrick is good food and that link above doesn't even have it in there at all. I don't think that is a good link for dog food comparisons. :shrug:

PetFriendly
January 20th, 2007, 10:17 AM
IMO, the DVP Natural Balance allergy formulas are better than this one.:shrug:

My pup didn't have a problem with the DVP, and he gets gassy when you switch him foods.

tully
January 20th, 2007, 12:04 PM
That seems like a lot more ingredients than I remember? I do know that my dog has done really well on it. The reason I liked it so much is because it had such few ingredients. I am wondering if they changed their formula? I am a big advocate of oils for dogs especially with skin problems. There are many choices. :dog: Salmon oil and olive oil are my two top picks. Also, one can go to the grocery store and buy canned salmon. Dog's love it and it is soo good for their coat. Because of some concerns around fish and pollution, it is a treat for my dogs not an every day choice.
I like the formulas like Wysong and Timberwolf butt they had soo many ingredients and due to Rory's conditions, skin problems at one time and now seizures, I needed a food that had less ingredients than more. His skin has been wonderful since I addressed it through home cooked food and my above regimen. His coat is gorgeous! :goodvibes:
Of course, it is a crap shoot. One dog may respond really well to one formula and not another. For me, up until now the Regal and Wysong meat has worked very well.
Now due to Rory's seizures, I am taking him off all grain so we are trying Orijen.
I believe Wanda's dog had a problem with chicken so this would not be an alternative for her. Of course, Wanda you could look at either Timberwolf Ocean Blue, Natures Variety or Evo. I am not sure what the protiens are in these foods? I believe Timberwolf is mainly fish. Evo does have a high fat content so one needs to be careful not to over feed.
I was just sharing what worked for us with a simlar problem. Of course, one needs to read labels and feed what they think is best. Thank goodness we have soo many more choices today as one size sure doesn't fit all. :lovestruck: Tullly

Prin
January 20th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Jesse's mommy, it is generally a good review site, but they STRONGLY lean toward the grain free foods. IMO, anything 4 stars and above is pretty good and three and below is garbage.;)

Tully, salmon oil is great, but "fish oil" and "salmon oil" are two different things. You want any ingredient in your dog food to be specific. Even the rice in the Sensi-bites isn't specific. What kind of rice is it? :shrug:

Check out these foods:
http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/allergy/home.html

Ginnys
January 20th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Jesse's Mommy, you must not have paged through all brands listed under each category. Merrick is listed under the 5 star canned foods.

Prin
January 20th, 2007, 12:23 PM
They make a dry too, and I think the dry is either 5 or 4 star.. The only foods who get the 6 stars are the high protein ones... (IMO, they're not necessarily better yet...)

tully
January 21st, 2007, 08:53 AM
I am not sure of all the ingredients in Regal because I don't have the bag in front of me and we are switching foods due to Rory's seizures. I think that my combination worked for my dog wonderfully for the time we used it. I cook for my dogs often with the regimen I mentioned earlier and Rory has done beautifully.
I worked in a holistic dog food store for several months. I know all the brands, thier ratings etc. I am extremely educated in the area of nutrition for both dogs and people. I worked with a woman who was a fanatic and that just isn't my style. I will always use holistic but less is more to me. This again is the reason I chose Regal for my dog Rory and his issues. My pup Tully is on Innova because he does not have the issues I am addressing with Rory. I am an educated consumer so my choice was not out of ignorance. One of the problems I had with the higher rated brands, is they have TOO many ingredients! If your eliminating foods for you dog, because they have health issues less is more! Now, luckily some of these manufacturers are creating new dog foods without the grains and less ingredients.
I agree that salmon oil is the way to go and don't think I ever said to use fish oil. I think one size does not fit all and one needs to work with their animal and their specific needs. I get from some of these responses people don't like Regal and that is fine. However, it worked wonders for us and I liked it. Tully

Prin
January 21st, 2007, 12:45 PM
I agree that salmon oil is the way to go and don't think I ever said to use fish oil.No you didn't but fish oil is in your food.

Yes, a lot of foods are complicated (like Nature's Variety), but Evo, EvoRM, and DVP Natural balance (among many others) are simpler foods and worth taking a look at if what you want is a simpler food.:)

tully
January 21st, 2007, 07:50 PM
I am trying Orijen out of Canada. Your kneck of the woods Prin. Hve you tried it? There are only a few dealers so far in America for this brand. They are located in Florida so I ordered it off line. My store here is going to start ordering it. It got really good reviews. My holistic vet is very excited about it. I was thinking of Evo but Rory is a Lab prone to the chunky side. Due to the high fat content, I am leaning toward this instead.

Prin
January 21st, 2007, 08:08 PM
I haven't tried it. One of my doggies can't eat poultry at all.:o

Gazoo
January 25th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Our 2 cats and 2 dogs have all been on Orijen for about 4 months or so now. They all seem to be doing quite well -- happy and healthy!!!!

kaidsmom
February 1st, 2007, 12:13 PM
Check out http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/
Orijen is rated as a 6-star food, but does come with some cautions. Read the review associated with food you are thinking of feeding.

Hello, everyone.
I am just new to this forum but I have been following the discussion about Orijen as I was considering it for my dogs. After reading the reviews I decided to find out whether this food is Ethoxyquin free so I wrote to the company. I reveived a response from them this morning. This is the email I received:

Hello Paula - and thanks for your inquiry - I confirm that ingredients in ORIJEN are free of Ethoxyquin. We have just created a FAQ section on our website and will add an Ethoxyquin-free statement early next week (lots of people ask about this! On our next packaging print, we'll add an "Ethoxyquin Free Statement to the bags too).

Kind Regards,
Peter
www.championpetfoods.com

This morning I gave my Malamute a choice of which new food she would like to go with and she chose Orijen. So now I can use up the little sample and go for the big bag.
I hope this information is helpful.

Prin
February 1st, 2007, 05:21 PM
Thanks for posting that. It's definitely good to know.:)

rainbow
February 1st, 2007, 06:46 PM
Kaidsmom, how many pounds are in the large bag and what does it cost?

kaidsmom
February 1st, 2007, 09:10 PM
I'm not sure just now what it costs but I'll find out tomorrow and post it.
I liked the advice given on that link to dog food reviews - feed a variety and change foods about every 3 months. I always feed raw at night but I use the highest quality kibble I can find in the mornings. I'm going to start looking into what is available in canned food as well.
I like the dehydrated food, but two out of three of my guys won't eat it. I've tried several different types of dehydrated. My Malamute loves it but the Sammies won't touch it.
I sure like the content of the Orijen senior so I'll have to let my two Sammie boys try it out and see if it's acceptable to them.

Scott_B
February 2nd, 2007, 07:10 AM
Have you thought about switching completly to raw since your already feeding it?

kaidsmom
February 2nd, 2007, 03:18 PM
The largest size of Orijen at my local store is approx 30lbs and it's $55.95.
Hi, Scott
We used to feed entirely raw and I really support the use of raw as the best possible diet. That being said, I'm not sure why exactly I moved to using a kibble for their morning snack. Convenience maybe. Fatigue on my part maybe. Part of the difficulty is that I will not give my dogs a hunk of raw anything with sharp little bones in it, for example a quarter of a chicken; and I won't give them turkey necks because I know of cases where they became lodged in the dog's throat. I will give them raw meaty beef marrow bones on occassion, but broken teeth are darned expensive to fix. So I feed the dogs already ground up raw food we can purchase frozen. Then I add stuff to it: lecithin, kelp, bee pollen, hemp heart, Omega 3-6-9 capsules, the Missing Link and for my old guy with the sore back legs I add some BIS; also I add a mixture of veggie chunks (mostly for teeth cleaning and the pleasure of chomping) like yam, turnip, carrot, brussel sprouts, cucumber, zucchini, romanine lettuce, etc. Some days I'll add green tripe or cooked liver or beef heart or chicken giblets. I don't mind preparing the evening menu, but I think I got sort of stymied with breakfasts.
That's basically why I've been using alternatives at breakfast.

rainbow
February 2nd, 2007, 07:26 PM
Kaidsmom, thanks for the info. I'm feeding Innova right now and paying $56.99 for a 33lb. bag. Although I am happy with it, I would much rather feed a Canadian product. I'm going to see if our local pet store can get it in. Thanks again. :thumbs up

kaidsmom
February 3rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
Dear Scott
Thank you so much for asking me that simple question - why don't I feed raw entirely. As I was composing my answer to you, which you might have already read, I had to ask myself that same questions and try to put aside the excuses. Then, last night, as I was preparing food for the kids, I asked my partner the same question "Why did I stop feeding raw at breakfast?"
I think it started when our newest puppy - the Malamute - was not too pleased with raw and wouldn't eat it. But now she's fine with it as long as it's not a hunk of something raw.
So, thanks to your question and getting the rusty wheels in my brain finally turning, we're back to raw entirely. No more kibble.
Just wanted to let you know that I appreciated your comment because it got me thinking and then acting.
Kaidsmom

Scott_B
February 3rd, 2007, 02:02 PM
gee, glad I could help :p :highfive:

klytamnestra
February 19th, 2007, 03:18 PM
I just started one of my dogs on Orijen, will rotate it in with Evo and TWO Wild & Natural. It does look like a lovely food, particularly once I learned that their fish supply is fresh, with no ethoxyquin used anywhere along the line. There is some debate on another forum about high iodine levels. Clark @ Champion Pet Foods is discussing this with their dietician. There is also some discussion about long-term use of botanical formulas. For these reasons, I don't think I would feed Orijen exclusively, but it will make another good grain-free formula to rotate for my Houston.

SuperWanda
February 19th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Hi tully - sorry I didn't catch your post and thanks for your advice.

I'm really not sure what my dog is allergic to but I actually stuck with the Orijen and have been feeding it for awhile now. My dogs love it. I wondered if it could be the grains that bothered her. I wanted to give it a good try into the winter so I could determine whether it was a seasonal allergy problem more than a food based one. She still licks at one of her feet but that is better than all 4 being red and sore. She could also have a dust allergy I guess but I've never had her tested.

Right now I am happy with this choice. They still seem to love this food and I am happy with the ingredients and the way their coats look.

The price went up since I first started buying it. I think I pay $62 now for a 29.7lb bag.

chase de bull
March 14th, 2007, 08:13 AM
The lady at the pet store told me that Champion Pet Foods was coming out with a new product. I had been communicating with Peter there about removing the menadione from their Acana dog food. The last I heard from him he said they would look into it.

I checked the website and it's still in the Acana but noticed the Orijen food doesn't contain it. Well, that's a step in the right direction and it looks like a really good food.


Good news. I email peter and he said Acana products are menadione free