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JenToronto
September 9th, 2006, 05:04 PM
Hey.
I'm new and I've spend a few hours looking around on here at the food related info there is a lot to read so please excuse me if I'm being repetitive.
I've got a 9 month od male Vizsla. I was feeding him a Royal Canin for a bit but he has trouble tolerating grain.
I began using Wendy Volhard's Natura Diet after a lot of research and information. He is doing great on it however, it is expensive and time consuming. I have no problem continuing with this diet if it is the best thing for him.
I'm wondering if anyone has tried the Wendy Volhard's Natural Diet Foundation (dehydrated base mix). If so, what their experience with it was. Or any other info on it.
Otherwise, what types of raw, BARF or natural diets do you guys use?
I have to be very careful that any food he gets is either low or no-grain .

Any other advice anyone can give me would be great.
:sorry: Sorry again, if the answers to my question are on here already.

Jen

rainbow
September 9th, 2006, 05:30 PM
I have heard of Wendy Volhard's food but I am not familiar with it and I don't know how available it is in Canada....I haven't seen it in B.C.

Innova EVO is grain free. They make a chicken/turkey formula and a beef formula. Solid Gold Barking at the Moon is also grain free. Both of them are good brands but I am not sure of the prices. Innova's regular food is cheaper than Solid Gold's so I presume their grain free formula would be as well.

Technodoll is our raw food guru but she is away camping this weekend.

rainbow
September 9th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I just checked out the Natural Diet Foundation food and noticed that it listed Vitamin K supplement as an ingredient. I'm willing to bet this is menadione sodium bisulfite complex which is a very controversial ingredient. It is banned for human consumption so shouldn't be in our pet food either IMO.

More and more of the holistic brands are removing it from their dog foods and replacing it with natural sources of Vitamin K.

meb999
September 9th, 2006, 06:11 PM
if you want to go with a food that's a little lower in protein % then Evo or Barking at the moon (there's still some controversy about high protein levels....but I feed half Evo half wolfKing and it seems to be working well....) there's also Timberwolf Organics Wild & Natural Dry
(Chicken Meal, Fresh Chicken, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract), Low Ash Salmon Meal, Potatoes, Sardine/Mackerel/Anchovy/Tuna Oils (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract) Eggs, Dried Chicken Liver, Dried Whole Milk, Dried Whey Extract, Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Casein, DL – Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Lecithin, Taurine, Lysine, Carnitine, Choline Chloride, Creatine, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum Fermentation, Bifidobacterium Longum Fermentation Product, Enterbacter Faecium Fermentaion Product, Bacillus Subtillus Fermentation Product, Blueberries, Cranberries, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Thiamine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera )

I heard it was going to be available soon in toronto so I thought I'd mention it...I know if it was available here, that's what I'd be feeding!

meb999
September 9th, 2006, 06:12 PM
BTW --- I love Viszlas!! I almost got a viszla puppy, but decided to rescue a boxer instead....I'd LOVE to see pics!

OntarioGreys
September 9th, 2006, 07:04 PM
if you want to go with a food that's a little lower in protein % then Evo or Barking at the moon (there's still some controversy about high protein levels...

Simply a myth that goes back to protein studies on rats not dogs, and most current dogfood available were created around those rat studies

http://www.purina.ca/dogs/puppies.asp?article=471

I am feeding EVO which is 42% protein because I have a dog that does have problems with grains, at first I was worried about the amount of protein but after much reading and bloodwork on my own dogs that worry has been laid to rest and now I feel that most dog food do not contain enough meat protein and may actually be the cause of so many of the escalating health problems in dogs. I have 2 8 1/2 year olds, a four year old and a 5 month old puppy that I feel very comfortable feeding EVO to them all.

rainbow
September 9th, 2006, 08:24 PM
BTW --- I love Viszlas!! I almost got a viszla puppy, but decided to rescue a boxer instead....I'd LOVE to see pics!


There's pics posted in the photo forum and he's gorgeous. ;)

JenToronto
September 9th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Thanks for all the replys!
I've been doing some reading and talked to a few vets, and I'm not concerned with high protein levels. I don't believe that they cause health problems.
However, I am hesitant to go back to a kibble formula because he seemed to have too many problems with them.
Has anyone tried any premade raw, natural or BARF diets with success?
My parent's dog has severe health problems 7 years ago and they were told he wouldn't make it a year. 7 years later on a BARF diet he is still kicking at 15 and has had no major health issues. So my experience with these diets has been quite positive and I will have to do more research before considering a kibble type diet.
I am not trying to speak poorly of anyone who uses kibble. I know many people don't advise a raw or BARF diet. And that is ok. I am just doing what we are all doing; feeding my pet what I think works best for him.

Thank you again for all your suggestions. I am looking into them all right now.

Here's a couple pic too:D :pawprint:

phoenix
September 9th, 2006, 10:35 PM
sorry, no advice, just wanted to say he is lovely! My dog is 'good friends' with a Viszla, they are beautiful and energetic!

meb999
September 9th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Oh! My! DOG!!! He's just too beautifull!

I used a pre-packaged raw meal once...it was a disaster. I'll have to look up the name, because I don't remember it. Buster (my doggy) was sick as a...well....as a dog! I've read up on the pre-made raw diets, and alot of raw feeders advise against it because some of the meats are rancid. If I ever switch Buster to raw, it'll be fresh meat that I've bought myself and prepared myself. I think that's the whole advantage of raw, is you know what your dog is eating....if you get the pre-packaged stuff --- well it has some of the same issues as kibble, you don't really know what the quality of meat they are putting in. Just my opinion....

Prin
September 9th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Technodoll here feeds a prey-model raw diet (or is it predator model?:o). She's on vacation for the weekend (again? :D) but she's the best one to ask about raw.

rainbow
September 9th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Awww, more great pics of Zane. He is just too gorgeous.

OntarioGreys
September 10th, 2006, 01:57 AM
I looked it up since I was not familiar with Wendy Volhard's Natural Diet Foundation

AM mix


A.M. Porridge: Buckwheat Groats, Safflower Oil, Molasses, Dried Whole Egg, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin E Supplement, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Montmorilonite Clay, Calcium Ascorbate, Diatomaceous Earth, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Zinc Proteinate, Choline Chloride, Manganese Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Vitamin K Supplement, Cobalt Proteinate, Vitamin A Acetate, Niacin, Riboflavin, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Thiamin Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Sodium Selenite, Biotin.



Pm Mix

P.M. Crumble: Wheat Bran, Toasted Wheat Germ, Dried Chicken Liver Digest, Calcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Brewer's Yeast, Dried Apple, Cod Liver Oil, Parsley, Dried Kelp, Dried Alfalfa Meal, Dried Dandelion Root, Apple Cider Vinegar, Dried Rosemary, Garlic, Ginger, Calcium Ascorbate

http://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm
I was expecting this pre mix to be grain free, which it isn't

other alternatives which are grain free which I have seen available in my local Ryans petstore is URBAN WOLF® ADULT Formula

INGREDIENTS: All Food Ingredients are Human Food Grade - Whole Ground, Freeze or Naturally Dried: Sweet Potato, Carrot, Apple, Barley Greens, Broccoli, Almond (stabilized), Watercress, Alfalfa, Cranberries, Spinach, Celery, (New) Lycopene (from tomato skins: Nature's powerful antioxidant), Saccharomyces cerevisiae, natural Calcium Carbonate, Flax Meal, Carob, Kelp, Parsley, Ginger Root, Marjoram, Basil. This diet meets & exceeds the AAFCO & NRC guidelines.

http://www.urbanwolf.cc/

or Sojourner Farms Europa pre mix http://www.sojos.com/europa.html



There are several suppliers that that offer fruit and veggies mixes and then you can buy tripe and alternate as your bases

Paws and Claws offers ground veggies http://www.freshpetfood.ca/products.htm

PoshNosh offers tripe chunks and ground veggies and fruits http://www.poshnosh.ca/products/dog_products.html

http://www.paws-itivelyrawfoods.com/html/products.html

http://www.tolldenfarms.com/

All these sources have complete dinners that are grain free as well

more sources can be found here http://lepusreg.tripod.com/NRS1a.html

OntarioGreys
September 10th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Laurie Soutar is a breeder and judge and competitor and is or was president/founder of Notra and CARA which are lurecoursing racing clubs and Caro which rally and obedience and the greyhound club of Canada, she was considered one of the best breeders in North America

She has 3 of the top 10 conformation greyhounds who are also field champions
as listed under the UKC from an August 13, 2006 event

http://mail.ukcdogs.com/ukcweb.nsf/WEBPAGES/ConformationTopTen?opendocument

she has her own raw feeding program which should work for a dog like your vislza who is probably quite active,


http://www.gvfrrc.org/pdf%20files/FEEDING%20SIGHTHOUNDS%20by%20Laurie%20Soutar.pdf