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(NEED) (HELP)**(NOW)*please - dog abandoned in apartment alone

rayyes
July 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Thank you for reading... please bear with me, this is f###ed up...
I registered here when i got my dog a while ago and came here every now and then when I needed tips and advice. Thankfully my puppy grew into a big happy dog and he's doing great. Thank you to everyone who gave me advice.

I need advice **ASAP** not for my sake, not for my dog's sake, but for my friend's (or i should say ex-friend) dog's sake. the dog is a pitbull, unneutered.:sorry:

this 'friend' has been wanting to give up his dog for a while. the poor dog has had a TRULY miserable life.. he's had several owners, didn't really know who his "daddy" (or leader) was, he was mistreated often because he is *VERY* aggressive and dominant. I would taken him in, but there's no way i would. he left him with me last year during summer and the dog was a major pain in the ass. pissing in the house, fighting with my dog, pulling constantly... its like he does everything in his power to make you detest him and his personality :( ... as i said he's been doomed to a miserable life.

Onto the present...
Today this a****** of a friend (excuse my french) comes on MSN and asks me for a 'favor'...
He left the country for holiday 3 weeks ago, and his bro also left about 3-4 days ago. His brother was supposed to take the dog to a shelter to give him up, right before leaving... which was on a sunday. but apparently they were closed on sunday.
:sorry:
so what does the brother do? he LEAVES him in the apt all alone, with the doors all open (so he can walk around) and 'enough food for over a week' WTF?!

All this is being said on MSN, btw -

so he asks me for a 'favor' to go to his apt and take the dog from there (who's been alone for 3-4 days now!!) to a shelter.

and he tries to take me on a guilt trip that if i dont do this, the dog will die from hunger or thurst eventally (im not even sure of his current state right now :mad: )

Needless to say i lost complete respect for this jerk and told him that. i would have torn him a new ******* if he was in front of me but he is 1000s of KM away..

now I am working guy and already have my own dog and happy with him, i cannot handle this miserable monster...

i don't know what to do? do i just take him to the shelter??.. help me please :confused: :sad:

pooglemom
July 19th, 2006, 07:49 PM
Well I dont know about there, but here we have a place that is like a shelter, but it doesnt kill any animals, it just houses them untill they find a new home however long that may take. Could you call an authority figure, he could probably get in a lot of trouble for this and he should, that is soo wrong! :pawprint:

poodletalk
July 19th, 2006, 07:58 PM
I would go to the apartment to make sure the dog is fine. Give him, food and water.

Unfotunaly in Ontario this pitbull won't have a chance, then again, he doesn't have much of a life with your friends either.

I doubt their will be any rescue will take a dominant aggressive dog, maybe it's best for you take the dog to the shelter.

badger
July 19th, 2006, 08:26 PM
He's a miserable 'monster' because people you know have made him that way. Despite this guy's despicable behaviour, if you have any compassion, you'll go over there and check that the dog is OK and has enough food and water. If you call animal control, they will pick him up. I guess they'll see right away that he's aggressive and won't keep him for long. You'll need to be there to open the door. Poor baby, what a bloody awful life, everyone's let him down.
And I agree, you should report this guy to the authorities and if you have his current address, give it to them. I hope they charge him with animal cruelty. You should provide them with printouts of the MSN messages to back up your story.
Step up for the dog. Dump the 'friend'.

Feral_cats
July 19th, 2006, 08:49 PM
rayyes i PMed you . check your inbox

LibbyP
July 19th, 2006, 09:00 PM
Okay first thing you must do, go to the house and check that the dog is there,animal control will not touch this as the animal is not a stray. If it has food and water, do not give it any more, phone the HS for your area that does animal cruelty investigations, you can do this anonymously - lodge a complaint at that address, investigators have a far quicker chance at removing this dog (search warrant) if the animal is deemed in distress(which is why you shouldn't feed it -as they see it, not in immediate distress if it has access to food and water)if they find it in immediate distress they 'should' be able to remove the dog the same day, if not they will post a 24hr notice on the door for the owner to contact them. After the dog is removed then a registered letter will be sent to the house and is a 10(?) day period for the owner to make contact after this time if no contact is made the dog becomes the property of the HS. Which I'm sorry to say but from what you have said about it being aggressive and being a pitbull it will not be adopted out, (which is the most humane thing for this animal IMO) the most important thing is not to feed it It's really S**** for your friend to put this on you, hope this helps keep us posted

kaytris
July 19th, 2006, 09:25 PM
In my opinion, you've got two options - the one Libby mentioned, reporting him to the authorities. This will mean, however, that the dog will spend an amount of time in AC's kennel (possibly until the court case is settled), and then, in Ontario, probably euthanized.

Your other option is to take the dog (assuming you can handle him) to the vet for euthanization. His life will end, but he will not have to go through the trauma of being taken by AC and kenneled for who knows how long.

Only you can decide which route you feel able to follow

LibbyP
July 19th, 2006, 10:05 PM
In this situation they WOULD not keep the dog till the court case, after the registered letter is sent out the owner has 10 business days to respond, if not the dog becomes the property of the HS.
If you choose option #2 make darn sure you keep ALL documentation (MSN) that the owner told you to take the dog to the shelter, no where did you say the owner told you to take it to the vet and have it pts, the owner can come back from holidays and report you to the police and charges YOU with stealing and having his dog pts
Please trust me on this I know what I'm talking about, yes the choice is yours to make but pls go via the law, everything will be better this way for the dog and you

rayyes
July 19th, 2006, 10:11 PM
ok... thank you to everyone who replied.
Feral cats i replied to you..

Man this is rediculous. This idiot left his keys with another friend who is supposedly scared of the dog so he can't even take care of him.. im supposed to tget the keys from him so i can enter the apt.

And the guy won't pick up the phone! I will keep calling tonight until about 1am hopefully i can go check on the dog..

Man.. i seriously don't need this right now, i've got work on friday, and I'm just about to get a new job i've got an interview tomorrow, I doubt this moron left the dog adequate food and water so i need to check on the dog... everytthing all at once this is too much.

badger trust me the friend is dumped and he knows it, if im going to do anything its for the dog's sake.

The easiest way out seems to be LibbyP's suggestion - less headache for me but we all know what will happen to the dog...

I know someone in oakville who might (and that's a big MIGHT) be able to take him, but i will need to get to the apratment first. hopefully tonight or tomorrow.
i will post when someting happens..
about the dog:

I have kept him in my apt for an overall period of about 3 months so i am speaking of personal experience.
The dog himself is very smart and sort of predatory towards other dogs. he will pick fights. however he will never attack humans as he is scared of us. It looks like he needs a nice home to re-socialize him and make him feel ummm 'human' again...
he WILL NOT live with other dogs as it will cause trouble for all... he needs to be the master of his domain and its better if he has litttle contact with other dogs.
he needs some serious obedience training to stop pulling, to listen, etc... its like he has a serious case of ADD.

here's a pic (hes the brown one, black one is my boy):

rayyes
July 19th, 2006, 10:30 PM
ok some good out of all of this..

i finally got a hold of the guy with the key and he is leaving tonight to london (ontario). I had to shout at him to get him to check on the dog before leaving so he will check on him before 3 am. he will also leave the key with his concierge so i will be able to pick it up tomorrow and get the dog.
i'll try to contact my friend in oakville and see if the dog can be given a new life... :fingerscr
oh man tomorrow will be fun

goodnight yall

LibbyP
July 19th, 2006, 10:33 PM
I pm'd you hope you got it

jesse's mommy
July 19th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Good Luck. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. :fingerscr This world needs more people like you who are willing to go above and beyond to help fix the moronic actions of these uncaring irresponsible people. Thanks for doing this you are an angel. :angel:

badger
July 20th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Action Man! We need more guys on this board, can I say that?

rayyes
July 20th, 2006, 12:58 AM
ok im posting this half-asleep, the guy with the key just called me..

i don't know what to say...he just called from the apartment where the dog is supposed to be............and the dog is............ not there ?!:eek: :eek: :confused:
If he was there, he would have run towards whoever would open the door and walk in....right?
yet there was no sound from anywhere in the apt.
he even looked from the balcony in the event where :sad: the dog might have jumped, but there was nothing.

I honestly don't know what to make of this. im completely lost. i think at this point calling AC to report a stray dog is the only option left...

right?

mastifflover
July 20th, 2006, 03:31 AM
I would go tomorrow and check yourself. Please. If the dog is not there phone AC and tell them the story and file a complaint and list the dog as missing, But if the dog is not there I would check again it may go back there god knows why the guy is an a$$hole. But the poor dog does not need to keep paying for the idiots who have done nothing for him

Puppyluv
July 20th, 2006, 05:49 AM
Rayyes, thank you so much for doing what you are. I agree, go check yourself just to make sure. Then file a report. Unfortunately, a stray un-neutered pitbull in Ontario is doomed, and if he has been found before you notify the authorities, his chances are slim :sad:

LibbyP
July 20th, 2006, 06:52 AM
Pls go and check on the dog yourself, you said in your earlier post that the friend(that has the keys) couldn't even care for the dog as he was afraid of it, who's to say he even checked on the dog before he left for London? If the dog is not there then phone AC to report it, if he is *VERY* aggressive as you say and AC picked him up then they will hold him till the stray period is over, without an owner here to claim him and no known address (as he would be running at large) then yes he will be pts.

chico2
July 20th, 2006, 08:40 AM
Rayyes,I did not get how long this poor animals has been on his own,but isn't it possible he might be hiding in the apt,exhausted from the heat and lack of food and water.
The other person is afraid of him,right??Maybe he just did not search everywhere?
Or maybe he just took him out and let him go...nothing surprises me with such morons:evil: maybe he did not want to pay the fee for drop-offs at HS?
Unfortunately,this dog does not stand a chance:sad:
Thank's for caring..

technodoll
July 20th, 2006, 09:35 AM
if there is no pee or poop in the appartment, chances are the dog was not left alone there in the first place. if the appartment looks and smells like a toilet, then he is MIA from not long ago. maybe the dog howled so much from loneliness that the neighbors complained, the super came and took the dog away?? :confused:

Golden Girls
July 20th, 2006, 09:53 AM
I don't really trust that guy even went last night ... didn't he say he was afraid of the dog? In any event you have to go yourself - the dog knows and trust you.

There is so many things that could of happened and you won't know until you yourself check. Even if you have to climb through a window ... whatever get yourself in there somehow if he didn't leave the key with the concierge that is :fingerscr

This is a horrible situation. Thank you for caring and trying to get help with this. Please let us know ASAP good luck!

mastifflover
July 20th, 2006, 10:06 AM
If he did not leave the key they will not let you in but if you explain about the dog being left in the apt. they will escort you or you can call AC and explain and they maybe able to get you in if not call the cops you cannot believe the other guy even went. If by chance the dog was there and you did not go and he died from the neglect I know that would haunt you because you obviously care. Please keep us posted and if you need help ask

LibbyP
July 20th, 2006, 10:13 AM
If you really aren't wanting to get involved any more than you already are, go to the apt, if you don't have a key knock, any barking? Go and see the concierge, bring documentation with you, explain the situation and have them phone the HS - explain that the owner has been gone for weeks and his brother was caring for the dog, now the brother has also left and nobody has been into the apt for several days, tell them that you can hear the dog and the smell is bad if that is the case, then a animal cruelty agent will come out, I believe the concierge (if has the key) is able to grant access to the apt for the agent to enter, at that time it will be deemed in distress or not, You do not have the authority to enter via window, just have a look through it and see what you see if on ground floor, have a look through the peep hole as well, you'd be surprised at what you can see through those little holes if the lighting is right, good luck

Golden Girls
July 20th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Well for proof all he has to do is bring these conversations as well as the msn ones to the apartment with him so at least to show he was asked to take control of the dog.

If he calls SPCA or their city pound .. you can be sure this dog will no doubt get dragged out horrified then caged until this is settled then eventually will be PTS so ... 1st things 1st. You have to find the dog yourself if you can I mean. :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

rayyes
July 20th, 2006, 12:50 PM
first of all sorry it took me this long to post, i had a lot of things to do this morning.
sorry if i can't reply to all the suggestions as there is no time, but thank you to all.

Ok... here is the situation for anyone interested.
Climbing from the window is out of the question since the apt is on the 30th floor..
Also the guy with the key took it with him since he deemed there is no need for me to go there, since there was no dog :confused:
anyways, i still went there..

I spoke with the management office and told her the situation, and that i need to get inside ASAP and she can escort me if she wants. she immediately knew what i was talking about (somehow i wasn't surprised).
She asked me to go with her to the head office whcih was in the next building, because the manager did something with the dog and she wasn't sure what.

So i spoke with the manger. He said that the dog has been alone since last thursday (i dont know...) and because of complaints, they callled the police. 2 officers came, and the next day someone from SPCA came to seal the door for 24 hours.
The next day, the person from SPCA came back and took the dog (finally we know where it is!!!)
This was on july 18th so 2 days ago...

Now i know about the policy for registered dogs is if they;re not claimed in 10 days, they will become the property of the society but i dont know about unregistered...uneuterd...pitbulls :eek:

Anyway i took a printout of the notice from SPCA with the contact phone numbers etc.
It says ABANDONED ANIMALS CALL WITHIN 24 HOURS , which has already passed.

I called the investigator on the notice, and left her a message.
who can i file a complaint with agains this dumbass friend?
and what are the options at this time?

do i just let it be? or try to get the dog to the THS? or...?

mastifflover
July 20th, 2006, 12:55 PM
I am sure the agent will call you back just explain the whole situation. I am sure you can file a complaint but I am sure they will be filing a complaint against him and you might want to mention the brother he is an idiot too. They will charge him for sure when you tell them what has gone on. They will have someone who can verify the story. The agent will probably be able to lie out the options but I don't think they are going to be good. Good luck and thanks for helping this dog. Let us know what happens

catsnatcher-CDN
July 20th, 2006, 12:57 PM
If you let it be, you'll feel ALOT worst the day he adopts another dog.

rayyes
July 20th, 2006, 01:07 PM
I guess I will wait to hear back from the investigator then.
Somehow I doubt he will own another dog again... if anything he will not want to put up with the 'hassles' of dog ownership.

I'll post back when I get an update. thanks to you all

LibbyP
July 20th, 2006, 01:34 PM
Wait until the agent/inspector calls you back, at that time lodge a complaint with her and bring in the MSN that the owner sent you yesterday, at that time she will explain everything that will be happening from then on, do you have a contact # for the owner that is away? Give all info to the agent/inspector. Keep us posted, one other (Q) your friend with the key that was to care for the dog, when was the last time he was at the apt? Might want to add that to your conversation with the agent/inspector.

chico2
July 20th, 2006, 01:43 PM
All I can say is poor,unfortunate dog,his fate is more than likely sealed:sad:
I just hope the"owner"will have to feel some pain,even if only to his wallet.
OMG,I just hate some people:evil:
Rayyes,this is one friend you can live without:mad:

Golden Girls
July 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
OMG :sad: Can you and have you got in touch with that friend in Oakville that could possibly give this dog a second chance at life?

glasslass
July 20th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I just hope the"owner"will have to feel some pain,even if only to his wallet.
OMG,I just hate some people:evil:
Rayyes,this is one friend you can live without:mad:

My thought exactly, except I also hope the apartment is full of excrement from the days he was left alone there and that the apt mgr will evict him over the whole situation.

jiorji
July 20th, 2006, 10:23 PM
i hope so too glasslass. I hope it smells and I hope everything got chewed :evil: b****d

I think we're all awaiting news on the dog .... good luck rayyes.

rayyes
July 21st, 2006, 05:58 PM
ok guys.
the investigator finally called me back today and here's the situation.

She asked me to tell her what i knew, so i did. I told her everything i said in this thread basically.

However, when i asked her about the dog, she REFUSED to give me out any information regarding the status of the dog, or wether the owner would be charged with anything... due to some privacy legislation apparently.

I simply asked her is he alive or did you pts? she wouldn't even answer that. She said the only way she can give me info is if the owner agrees to that.

Anways, i gave her the owners email address and told her that if she will press any charges, she has my :thumbs up ... for what its worth.

A few hours ago i saw the owner on MSN and told him what happened (he basically has no idea what was going on..) and asked him to update me with any news when she emails him - somehow i doubt that he will :eek:

I'm just glad that the dog is in good hands now and i asked the investigator to phone me first if they were going to pts the dog maybe i can help. im not sure she will but - who knows?

Smiley14
July 21st, 2006, 06:34 PM
Thanks so much for the update! So it sounds like the dog has at least been found and rescued? If that's the case, well done on your part for doing the right thing for this poor dog! Whatever happens to him, pts is much more kind than a future of starvation and/or neglect. Such a sad story though. I'm so glad you were there for him!

Steph

chico2
July 22nd, 2006, 07:35 AM
Rayyes,thank's for the news..
I called HS once about an abused,neglected bunny and they could give me no info on what happened after,only that the bunny had been taken away from a bad situation..
In cases like this the owner of the neglected animal still has all the rights:mad:
The thought he could casually talk about his abandonned dog on MSN,just shows what kind of person he is:evil:
Whatever happens to this poor dog,will be better than a life with a moron.(except being sent to a lab:sad: )

mastifflover
July 22nd, 2006, 07:49 AM
Rayyes thanks for doing as much as you could and I hope you can get the dog to a safe enviroment. I am sorry I still believe with the right care and love this dog could become a loving pet. He has obviously not had any before this. I am an optomist, what can I say. But if you can get him I bet if you treated him the way your dog is he would change. He has had no reason to be any other way he has never been cared for or given boundaries. You have done a lot for this dog and thank you for that.:pawprint: :pawprint:

rainbow
July 22nd, 2006, 04:44 PM
I agree with Mastifflover. Also, what happened with your friend in Oakville that was possibly willing to take the dog?

chico2
July 22nd, 2006, 05:08 PM
I got a magazine today from my Pet-Food supplier,they have animals listed for adoption from everywhere in Canada.
At the Toronto HS,there is a pit-bull for adoption,I thought with BSL,any pit-bull brought in would be euthanized,but I am happy if that's not the case...then this poor neglected pup would still have a chance:fingerscr

Golden Girls
July 22nd, 2006, 05:08 PM
I don't see why they couldn't at least tell him what he can or can't do should he want to continue and try and help. I mean they wanted him to say all he knew which he did. He's the only one that did care enough to do something about it and yet the owner abadonned the dog and left him there to die still has legal rights to "privacy legislation"?

If they wouldn't even tell him whether the dog is alive or not I somehow doubt they would even consider allowing him to take possession. What a sad life this dog had :sad: I really hope he gets fined for animal cruelty and never be allowed to own another pet ... or would that be like against his constitutional rights :rolleyes:

jiorji
July 22nd, 2006, 05:22 PM
if someone gets fined for animal abuse, does that ruin their chance to own another pet? It's not like the HS society does a background check when you adopt a pet, how would they know?

OntarioGreys
July 23rd, 2006, 04:21 PM
if someone gets fined for animal abuse, does that ruin their chance to own another pet? It's not like the HS society does a background check when you adopt a pet, how would they know?


Ontario's animal cruelty charges are a lot stricter than Quebec, the owner can be fined , thrown in jail and a judge can order that he not be allowed to have any pets for "X" number of years.
Many humane societies do background checks, and check with your vet, before you can adopt. My one cat was from the London Humane Society, I had to wait a couple days after I submitted my application to adopt before I could bring the cat home, so they could check me out, I know a few years ago someone who tried to adopt a pitbull from the Toronto Humane Society and was denied, during their check. This was already 2 or 3 years So from certain sources he would have trouble getting another dog if he tried. Sadly, if he did try to get another dog he would not likely be going through a shelter instead from a backyard breeder, and if he looked hard enough he could likely obtain another pitbull puppy, I noticed their are some idiots in Ontario, looking and offering stud services for pitbull and pitmixes here on sites like Kijiji

My guess is he won't be charged because he left the dog in another persons care by giving them the key :(

rainbow
July 24th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I agree with Mastifflover. Also, what happened with your friend in Oakville that was possibly willing to take the dog?


Rayyes....we need an update. :pawprint:

Feral_cats
July 24th, 2006, 06:39 PM
im the one that is/was willing to take it . i have a friend with pit experiance who is looking for a dog (he doesnt have one right now) . and when i mentioned this one he was all over it . the problem is rayyes doesnt even know if this dog is alive right now . i have given him many sudgestions on what to do through PM about how to get over the barricades of this problem . and hopefully he will keep me updated on this situation . i told him to keep calling the agent because if he doesnt she'll never call him back . also i know alot of routes to fix this problem but it all depends on the agent because this is a illeagle dog , i wasnt going to be the one to take it but i was going to place it in a home with a single guy with no other animals( i would take it if i didnt have 2 dog aggressive dogs , 5 cats + fosters and a young child ) hopefully we get this dog back! its not the dogs fault the owner was stupid and didnt neuter him . why should he have to die because of a irresponisible owner when theres a responsible person wanting to give him his forever home . also Rayyes keep me posted

mastifflover
July 24th, 2006, 06:45 PM
You are so right Feralcats it is all about the owners you are talking to a group that throughly understand that. I wish you luck and hope this poor dog gets a chance to become a great dog.

rainbow
July 24th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Feral cats and Rayyes - Good Luck....I hope this poor dog gets a second chance. :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr Keep us posted.

LibbyP
July 24th, 2006, 06:57 PM
(IMO) I don't think even when the animal becomes the property of the HS he will be put up for adoption, and this has nothing to do with him being unneutered, it has to do with a temperament test that they(the society) will do to see if this dog will be an alright member of society, if it is as dog aggressive as Rayyes first claimed then the chances of him passing are very slim. Do I think the dog is at fault - absolutely not but (IMHO) I think the society will look at the dog as a liability and not be adoptable

Feral_cats
July 24th, 2006, 08:26 PM
the dog is only dog aggressive NOT human aggressive . also the THS has a pit avalible for adoption under special needs pets that is fear agressive and animal agressive . they also have a ton of pits that are dog agressive . i dont know if yot read the artical in the Toronto star a while back but they "send there dogs off to the states to get trained if they are agressive" they also have a pit who gave some kid a few hundred stiches a few years ago and was sentanced to euthanazia yet they still have it because its a "nice dog" so if it is at THS then its got a good chance

LibbyP
July 24th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I am not going to get into an argument over this,I said (IMO) I never said that the dog was aggressive to humans, did you read the article where it was saying that vets and staff were leaving because of the inhumane and deplorable conditions the THS was housing the animals in it care? Good for the dog if it can be shipped out of state, let them worry about the loose cannon waiting to go off. Then we don't have to worry about reading about in the paper acouple weeks/months down the road where it got out of the backyard and attacked a dog being walked by a family(the dog didn't attack the people - until they picked it up or tried to stop the fight, I have a moral obligation and I can sleep at night knowing that I did not contribute to another animal or human possibly being in danger. This has nothing to do with what breed the dog is either, I would be saying the same thing if it was a .....

LibbyP
July 24th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Please understand I am not trying to pick a fight, I have nothing to gain from saying any of this, I am not blaming the dog, it's not his fault but can you imagine living in a cage for the rest of your days, look at how long some of these 'special needs' dogs have been there, is that more humane? I personally don't think so, I would feel less guilty if I knew he was pts rather then spending who knows how long in a cage. What about fostering? How is that possible when foster homes cannot even be found for tiny kittens or puppies? With all the hype about the breed ban and the crap that comes with it, how many are being adopted out? Like I said this is just (MHO)

Golden Girls
July 25th, 2006, 09:06 AM
I totally agree regarding the special needs program and I wonder how anyone could call this humane :sad:

Is there anyone at all that could find out about this dog?

kaytris
July 25th, 2006, 09:30 AM
THS doesn't have the contract for Animal Control anymore, so it is very unlikely that the dog is there.

TAS does have some pitbulls up for adoption, BUT I believe they have a strict temperament evaluation before it goes on the adoption floor. TAS has a website for lost and adoptable pets: http://www.toronto.ca/animal_services/lost_pets.htm

There are worse things than euthanization, and forcing a dog that dislikes other dogs to live in close proximity to its 'enemies' for months and months is the complete opposite of a humane ethic.


For your friend in Oakville, although this dog may not be available, there are literally THOUSANDS of pitbulls in Ontario needing homes. I see two listed on the TAS site, and 24 more on petfinder...

rayyes
July 26th, 2006, 12:21 PM
hi all and sorry for the late feedback, I've been busy with this new job interview thing and on a lighter note, it looks like its gonna work...:fingerscr

anyways, I've been leaving this agent voicemails on a daily basis, about 3-4 now and she hasn't called me back.
She did say that she can only give me the status if the owner agrees to it.
Now i went by feral cats suggestion to get him to transfer ownership to me,
and I was just chatting with him on MSN..
He did agree to have the ownership transferred and he called the SPCA right away and left the agent a vm, and he agreed to pay the costs incurred by the shelter (if they were not too much), so in his defense, he did say that he'd rather do that than have the dog be pts.

He also said that when he left, he left the dog with a brand new bag of the Nutro food and lots of water, and asked me honestly wether this is more cruel than leaving him locked up in a shelter...

Anyways, the agent is aware that I will take the dog back, and once I do, hopefully we can get it to feral cats' friend ASAP .

I'll post back when (if :confused: ) the agent calls back.

Golden Girls
July 26th, 2006, 12:51 PM
OOOOOO Excellent news! Please keep us posted. Thank you so much ... and Feral Cats :thumbs up

Feral_cats
July 26th, 2006, 08:55 PM
well good news i spoke with my friend hes still willing to take this dog , so now all we need is to find the status of the dog , have the owner to pay the fines , sign it over to rayyes and get this dog neuterd , then sign it over to my friend and hes got a brand new start at life :D

rainbow
July 28th, 2006, 02:51 PM
That is Good News :highfive:

Now, let's hope all goes as planned. :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

Many thanks to Rayyes, Feral Cats AND your friend. :thumbs up

Keep us posted. :pawprint:

mastifflover
July 28th, 2006, 03:48 PM
That is great news I hope it all goes well

rayyes
August 3rd, 2006, 01:12 PM
hi all

after a lot of back and forth it looks like.... its a lost cause.

the lady from SPCA wouldn't return my calls (i left well over 15), and she would'nt even agreee to transfer ownership to me because the owner could not provide proof that he owned the dog before this retarded pitbull law - (its kind of hard to show proof when he's in the other end of the world). Therefore SPCA decided that they will be the new owners despite 2 people telling them NO!

He forwarded me the email from her saying that because of this, the dog will be pts and although he replied saying DO NOT PUT HIM TO SLEEP, she wouldn't listen !?

So there you go, the dog is finally resting now..:sad:

thank you to all for your support here... unfortunatley, in real life its not always a happy ending.

R.I.P. Gotti

Mahealani770
August 3rd, 2006, 01:31 PM
Now that's a damn shame. Poor Gotti :sad:

badger
August 3rd, 2006, 02:00 PM
After all your efforts. I'm really sorry for the both of you. Probably the new law somehow restricted them or they erred way way on the side of caution, despite your willingness to take him. Quite apart from the demonization of pit bulls going on, I think legitimate, non-abusive pit bull owners are treated quite badly, as in this case. Poor Gotti.

Maya
August 3rd, 2006, 02:41 PM
Just wanted to say I'm really sorry to hear the news about Gotti :sad: It's a real drag. It's unfortunatley another example of people in a helping profession following thier prejeduce and rules without looking at the individual situations. With all your intrest in helping the dog it doesn't make any sense, I guess they just had to abuse thier power. At least he's not going to be neglected anymore and you can feel good about yourself that you tried to save him.

mastifflover
August 3rd, 2006, 02:45 PM
That sucks and you tried so hard. But you lucked out and got an investigator who could probably really could careless if she could not return one of your fifteen calls. I am sorry about Gotti

chico2
August 3rd, 2006, 04:38 PM
I am not surprised,but very saddened,Gotti did not stand a chance:sad:
What a province we live in,pedophiles are free to roam the streets,but a poor neglected dog,gets the ultimate sentence.:rip: Gotti:love:

rainbow
August 3rd, 2006, 06:19 PM
Very well said Chico....my feelings exactly.

:rip: Gotti :candle: :love: