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Obesity in America

July 12th, 2006, 11:06 PM
holy cow... that is just so WRONG. :eek:

i wonder how Canada fares?? :eek:

July 12th, 2006, 11:53 PM
My man was in Indiana for the Grand Prix last week and he found it so hard to find a restaurant that served things that weren't disgustingly fatty, even for breakfast. Granted, as tourists, obviously it's harder to find things, but I know in Montreal, if a tourist wanted a healthy breakfast, it wouldn't be hard to find. For supper, there are tons of healthy restaurants too. They're all over. I just wonder if because that's all you see down there (in the area he was, I'm not saying all of the states are like that), that's all you crave?

We're catching up though and more fast food franchises are creeping in to help us fatten up.:sad:

There was a debate about whether or not pediatricians should use the term "obese" to kids... I don't think so. IMO, telling an adult who has total control over their lives is one thing but telling a child whose parents haven't taught proper eating habits is another. Kids (without medical conditions) don't get obese on their own- they're not buying the groceries, so why saddle them with terminology with such negative connotations?:sad:

I know a family with a chubby daughter and they blame her (she's about 10). They say it's her fault because she eats too much when they go to fast food places. She eats like 2 bigmacs by herself. :eek: How does she get those big macs? And on top of that, to put her on a diet, they just exclude her- no, we're thin so we get to go to McD's- you stay home and eat an apple. :eek: Just sickening, IMO. The WHOLE family should cut out the fat if one member is gaining weight. One person is just one symptom of something gone wrong with the whole system.

July 13th, 2006, 12:30 AM
OH it's terrible. Being overwieght isn't just about looks, it's a symptom of poor health.

A friend of ours flew to NJ from Arizona recently. They used to be allowed 70 pounds of carry on but this trip they were only allowed 50. They asked why and the flight attendant told them that they had to adjust it because the passengers had all gotten heavier.

I knew woman whose children were getting heavy and she wanted them to slim down before they got to high school so she just changed the habits of the whole family. Pretzels instead of chips. Salad at every meal. No more fired foods or fast food.

And because they were kids they had an occasional splurge. But kept the overall eating in a healthier plane. Not a diet, just a switch to healthier foods. The kids didn't feel like they were on a diet because the focus was on being healthier. The whole family lost weight, and looked great, and kept it off because they changed their whole way of thinking about food.

I'm pretty health conscious so I've learned to navigate the menus and I'm not afraid to ask for what I want and get substitutions etc. But if you don't live in a pretty populated area or a large city it's not always easy to find a healthy meal when you go out to eat.

July 13th, 2006, 07:11 AM
We go to South Carolina every year and there are a huge number of obese people.
It's good for my ego,makes me feel great about myself,but obviously not great for the people.
The biggest problem seems to be All-you-can-eat Buffet Restaurants,hubby and I are no fans of Buffets,but it's getting really difficult to find a regular sit-down,place.
The amount of food people can eat is astounding!!

July 13th, 2006, 07:39 AM
Sadly we are catching up to the US. I find it disgusting that there are so many fat kids these are not just overweight they are fat. They live on junk and fast foods. Parents need to take responsibility this is where we develop our choices of good and bad.Plus if you let your kid sit on a couch and watch TV or play xbox all day no wonder they are getting fat get some exercise. When I was growing up my parents kicked us out everynight after dinner to play we used to have a neighbourhood hide and seek game or some other activity. Then we could come in for an hour of tv before bed. I am not saying no junk because I love it but I also eat healthy food and almost no fast food. Can't stand those things they call fries and burgers if I am going to eat fries they have to be worth all the calories and fat. I am sure if you saw the ingredients in those so called burgers, I am sure they are full of filler and I do not think they are made with grade a ground beef. Besides they taste like sandpaper. If you have to dine at one of these establishments there salads are pretty good that is my choice for these places. But all this supersizing and all you can eat is not a healthy thing. Hey I love a good pig out just as much as the next person but luckily I have never had a weight problem. I also watch what I eat now that I have passed the dreaded 40 mark and approaching the 50's. But I still fit into my old jeans they are my testing jeans to see if I have gained weight.

July 13th, 2006, 08:23 AM
have any of you watched "Honey we're killing the kids" on TLC? kinda reflects the whole point of this thread... pretty fascinating show, with most successful and some failures, all pointing to the PARENTS and not the kids... sad, really. I think the introduction of computers, the internet and video games has changed our culture dramatically in 15 short years, and most children's past-times reflect that. think about how WE spent our childhoods... i don't remember much time spent inside lazing in front of the TV munching donuts! no, we were outside all the time, 4 seasons and in every kind of weather: we had snowsuits, rubber boots, the works, and we *loved* playing with our friends in the dirt, the mud, the snow, the sand, the grass, you name it. i really thank my parents today for making me ride my bike to go places instead of driving me, for making me eat my veggies before i got any dessert (which was often FRUIT!), for making trips to McD a treat and not a routine, for all of that... :angel: i just feel so sad for today's youth, where is their chance?

July 13th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Our neighbor,Baileys owner,just put up a huge trampoline for his 3 kids(I'm ready to call 911:D ) and they are all involved in sports,slim trim kids...but even they eat junk,mom gets home late from work,so it's often pizza,McDon etc...but their time on the PC or game-boy is monitored.

July 13th, 2006, 09:39 AM
interesting how you get an "obese" problem but as well you get people(usually in acting) that are extremely painfully thin.

Rick C
July 13th, 2006, 11:19 AM
I'm 47 and its definitely more difficult as you get older to keep your weight under control.

I was in a 10 km road race on Sunday and did alright . . . . . I've got two half-marathons coming up.

Yet, according to the body fat index on the website above, I'm overweight.

In fact, I would have to lose another eight pounds to fit into the upper range of the scale . . . . . yet I've never had my weight down that low, even at my fittest.

You know, I'm just a pretty square body frame . . . . .

Sometimes I find these definitions fairly dubious . . . . . one famous running guru says the first thing you should do is throw out a weight scale.

Rick C

July 13th, 2006, 11:27 AM
Here's an interesting observation...I've noticed that most of the overweight kids I've seen are pasty-white (as in no tan, not caucasion). When I was a kid, I used to change colour every summer. As has been mentioned, video games and internet seems to be the thing that is in for past times now.

My street is covered in kids. I can separate them into two groups. The ones I see all the time, and the ones I only see walking to school (or to thier parents car when the bus drops them off). The ones I see all the time are the ones who play basketball at the end of my street, or ball hockey in front of my house, or riding thier bikes around. The ones I only see walking to school? Yup...pasty white and pudgy. I'd be willing to bet what thier past-time of choice is.

I think part of the problem is fast food and junk, but that is only part of it. I think the biggest problem is inactivity. I'm still losing weight, but I don't have a great diet. Sure, I get the chicken fajita at McDonald's instead of the Big Mac, but I still have ice cream a few times a week, a chocolate bar once in a while. But I also make sure I'm riding a few hours a week. And I'm not super-sizing the fries. And when I hurt myself and don't get on the bike for a while? I'm cutting back on the junk. But I don't focus on what I eat, I focus on my activity level, and adjust accordingly.

I also think the statistics are skewed. Any study I read that uses BMI I throw out the window. According to BMI, I'm obese. I'm right between 32 and 34. Yet, bodyfat-wise, I'm probaby "chubby". BMI doesn't take into account body compostion. And the fact that my Dr used BMI to determine how fit I am not only tells me that it is overused, but disturbing. I remember saying, "Do I look obese??" "But your BMI..."

Lastly, I think North America has become a society of victims. "It's not my fault I'm fat. McDonald's asked me if I wanted to upsize!" There's no personal responsibility. People will sit in thier couch which is permantly formed to the shape of thier butt, scarf down thier super-sized fast food combo, and say that they can't lose weight, or that it's genetics. I've heard so many people say it's genetics, then when you ask them the last time they walked, you get a blank stare. You can tell when something's genetics (not always, but usually). Look at the shape of thier shoulders, the way they carry thier weight. Ever see someone who "carry's thier weight well"? That's genetics. These days, when someone says that it's genetics that is making thier kids fat, it's enviroment. Mommy and Daddy always make McDinner, and never get up off the couch except to get to the drive-through, so of course Jr will be the same.

July 13th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Just finish eating my aldress pizza and fries.:o But it's only because I'm reallly stressed this week.I need one '"junk food lunch" per week.The stress burns all my fat,what can I say.But yes,when we were kids,friends or no friends,it was "go play outside and it's an order"!I see my nephew playing on his gameboy everytime he comes to my place,I have a pool,a big yard,fields all around and if my sister brings her 2 dogs that makes 5,but no,he has to play with his gameboy!

Rick C
July 13th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Just finish eating my aldress pizza and fries!

This is just a sidebar that has nothing to do with nothing . . . . . but I'd never heard the term "all-dressed" until I went out East a few years ago.

I had no idea what anyone was talking about and had to have it explained.

Regional dialogue.

Rick C

July 13th, 2006, 12:51 PM
Hey Rick I thought you were at the cottage what are you doing inside? I agree Shwinn I never use a scale I can tell by the way I feel and my clothes fit. But face it people we walk our dogs daily and I take Bud even if I have to just go to the corner store. My dog is the couch potato in my place. I will walk anywhere if it is nice out. Boo used to love long walks and we would go for 3 hours at a time. Bud not so much. I find it sort of ironic some kids are so concerned about their weight and then some you can tell by their posture and demeanor they don't care in the least. I think a lot has to do with parents helping their kids build self esteem getting them involved in group activities we did all these things when I was a kid. This is how you enlarged your group of friends more friends involved better games. We had some of the best snowball fights on our street, who wanted to be inside.

July 13th, 2006, 12:59 PM
When I was a girl,it was "DO your homework and then go outside and play!"
Of course in those days,no PC,no TV in the day-time:D
We just walked Bailey and she refused to walk for long and guess why?
The kids were eating pizza for lunch:D
I could just hear Bailey,Got to get pizza,got to get pizza,now I pooped,so now I got to get pizza:D

July 13th, 2006, 01:09 PM
This is just a sidebar that has nothing to do with nothing . . . . . but I'd never heard the term "all-dressed" until I went out East a few years ago.

I had no idea what anyone was talking about and had to have it explained.

Regional dialogue.

Rick C

(WARNING! -- Threadjacking in process!!) A few years ago, I went to Maine and me and my girlfriends ordered an all dressed large pizza and the bill was like 30-something dollars! I couldn't believe the price, but when we got home and opened the pizza box, we noticed they had put every single possible topping on the pizza!!!

July 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM
I also think the statistics are skewed. Any study I read that uses BMI I throw out the window. According to BMI, I'm obese. I'm right between 32 and 34. Yet, bodyfat-wise, I'm probaby "chubby". BMI doesn't take into account body compostion. And the fact that my Dr used BMI to determine how fit I am not only tells me that it is overused, but disturbing. I remember saying, "Do I look obese??" "But your BMI..."
I totally agree. I talked to sports medecine people who said my weight was abnormally high being that I was still a tiny person- most people generously put my weight at 140-150 (people I know are not just being nice) and I'm 190 these days. I'm chubby on account of stopping anorexia and having my thyroid mess up all at the same time, but still not chubby enough to deserve a number like that!:D Seriously though, BMI doesn't include big bones (yes they do exist) and much muscle. If you're slightly more muscular than the average, your BMI won't reflect reality.

That said, I think the problem is still there, regardless of how we test for it...

July 13th, 2006, 03:21 PM
I also think the statistics are skewed. Any study I read that uses BMI I throw out the window. According to BMI, I'm obese. I'm right between 32 and 34. Yet, bodyfat-wise, I'm probaby "chubby". BMI doesn't take into account body compostion. And the fact that my Dr used BMI to determine how fit I am not only tells me that it is overused, but disturbing. I remember saying, "Do I look obese??" "But your BMI..."

I 100% agree with you on this. BMI is not a good indicator of obesity or not. It does not take into account the fact that 1lb of muscle takes up the same amount of space as 3lbs of fat, and so if you're fit/muscular/active, you're going to be heavier than an unfit/less active person of the same height (who is not obese). We have a scale that you input your height and everytime you step on the scale, it them computes BMI (we don't use it for that purpose, but it does it). I think the only time I ever got on it and it said I was in the "normal" range was after I'd had the flu for a week and hadn't been able to keep hardly any food down. I lost nearly 10 lbs that week, and let me tell you, I'd rather be "overweight" by the BMI scale, than normal, if being normal means having no body fat at all because I'm more muscular than "average" people of my height. No body fat at all sucks.

I've pretty much learned to ignore the number on the scale I see. I've never had a weight problem, but I was always very active. However, 10 years ago, I injured my knee and had to give up almost all physical activity. Even swimming--which every doctor will tell you is the ideal form of exercise. I couldn't even walk without pain. I've been lucky and had it repaired now, but in those 10 years, my habits and my body have changed. It's not the end of the world, but I've gained 20 lbs since I got hurt. Part of that is muscle put on in other parts of my body (my legs are still not as muscular as they used to be), but I've also developed a taste for slurpees and beer, and combined with my inability to exercise, I've also developed a "beer belly". My bf's mom asked me once if I was pregnant--that's how I knew it was time to change it!

Regardless.... I think people get hung up on numbers and excuses. My ex-MIL once said that overweight people get treated poorly (she was overweight), but then when I asked if she'd come with me to walk her dog (I didn't have a dog then) she said that she'd rather watch a movie. I've never had to struggle with my weight, but it makes me very angry when people complain about being overweight and then refuse to do anything about it.
My doctor would tell me that based on BMI, I'm overweight. But when she looks at me, she usually says I'm too skinny. It doesn't matter what the number on the scale says, it matters whether you're healthy and physically able to do "normal" things. And for those of you who are older (over 60): I read an article by a University Researcher a few years ago that said it was better for an elderly person to be 10-15 lbs over their "ideal" weight than to do yo-yo weight loss (lose 10, gain it back, lose 10, gain it back). Losing weight and then gaining it back puts strain and stress on your body that could cause illness or even shorten your life. It's not worth it!!

That's my input on this.

July 13th, 2006, 03:35 PM
Dogmelissa,I am over 60(slightly:D ),I have never really had any weight-problems,I eat and drink what I like,but in moderation.
It's however very difficult to loose a little protruding belly at this age..
I am 5'7 and weigh anywhere between 145-150,I am not obcessed with weight,but I like to look and feel good and know,were I really fat,I would not be happy with myself.

July 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM
What i dont understand is when i see a kid that looks about 7 yeras old,severely overweight and they are eating at mcdonalds witht there parents,really find that disturbing and pretty bad parenting.

July 13th, 2006, 03:52 PM
I know Heidiho! But you can't say anything because maybe its a Thyroid and then you don't want to embarass the child as its not their fault.

I just want to ask them how they are helping their childrens lives. Most kids when they grow up they thank their parents for putting their foot down.... Some parents don't get that and rather give into anything so they can remain the good guys... Dont they know nice guys finish last especially with parenting. My stepdaughter is well conditioned in food habits, she knows she is to eat healthy and get a treat here and there. I heard her tell the soccer coach " oh don't worry my mom will bring only healthy food" all the other parents brought freezies and chocolate popsicles for half time. Hello Im only 26 and it was too long ago I was into soccer and we ate orange slices at every half time. Brought oranges and watermelon and not one kid asked where the freezies are and they loved the orange slices.

July 13th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I would never say anything but even if it was a thyroid problem that makes them that heavy i would be going somewhere else instead of mickie d's,you know..I cant imagine how hard it must be for a kid especially nowadays to be overweight when everywhere you look it is be super skinny or you wont fit it..When i do have kids i will do my best to keep them away from crap food and just start right off the bat eating healty and being active ,especially since i live in maui now.

July 13th, 2006, 04:01 PM
If you see healthy chubby kids,you must blame it on the parents for not teaching children to eat right and not encouraging or teaching them how to do things.

My brothers daughters are 4 and 2, on the weekends the whole family goes biking along the lachine canal. (The two year old is in the carriage on the back on the bike..I don't know what you call it.) At night, they are swimming, or taking the dog for long walk in the woods. The children are not at home watching TV, they are active. When they get older, they will automatically be active as well and have proper eating habits.

Everyone is busy in the world, we must find to take short cuts on doing things so we can have extra time to do things we really enjoy. Growing up, my parents would make meals on Sunday for the week and freeze them.(stews, soups, tomatoe sauce etc) It was extremly rare we eat take out. With the time they saved from having the meal basically prepared, we were able to do things together and we ate healthy.

July 13th, 2006, 04:01 PM
Im very posty today so dont mind my ramblings but I have another issue.

I hate when people chide in about the costs of a smokers health care when they are 500 lbs. It seems its ok to make me feel bad for having a bad habit and not ok for others to talk about anothers eating habits b/c its rude. Anyone ever hear of heart disease and childhood diabetes... ?

Anyways I agree these habits have an adverse affect on the health care system I just don't get why we can have a and not a ??

July 13th, 2006, 04:08 PM
PLease dont even get me started on the whole smoking thing(ha ha) i am addicted, hooked an ddont see how i will kick that one..

July 13th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Luvmypit,I agree with you and I have no facts to base anything on,however I believe being overweight causes probably as many medical problems and costs taxpayers as much as any smoking-related illness and then there are the boozers,but we won't go there:p
I remember a family in SC,mother must have been 300lb's as was the husband,the 3 kids were extreemly obese,eating like this was their last meal.
I would think if I grew up obese,having to live with the looks and sneers,you would not want your kids to go through the same:confused:

July 13th, 2006, 04:20 PM
as i said... = great show, i'm hooked and cheering the whole way! but only when the parents really want to adopt the program...

July 15th, 2006, 10:16 AM
But even if it's a thyroid issue, it shouldn't be huge excuse, because there are medications to regulate the thyroid. Granted, they don't always work, and people who do have thyroid problems, even if the problem is controlled, it is harder to lose weight.

Then there are other reasons like injuries and such. I am 5'7" and for about the last 5 years I have been between 170 and 175 lbs. For two years, I went to the gym 3-4 times a week, did weight training, cardio, swam a bunch, and I didn't lose a pound. I then tried yoga for 2 years, and still nothing (but I was a little more flexible). During that entire 4 years, I was in almost constant pain in my lower back and shoulder. I went to the doc, had xrays done, and it turns out I have minor scoliosis of my spine. Not a huge amount, but just enought of a curve (if you look at my back, the top part of my spine between my shoulders is a slight C shape) so that my left shoulder is higher and my left hip is lower, and my right side is a little squished. Because of this slight imbalance I have had since I was about 10 (I noticed the shoulder pain then, but when I went to the doc, he dismissed it, when if it had been caught then, it could have been corrected), I now walk funny, because one leg hits the ground faster (which i noticed, but didn't really think about) and my whole body is out of whack, and it gets worse each year.

I stopped working out at all, and I haven't gained any weight, which is nice. It seems like no matter what I do, I can't gain or lose weight. Doc thinks I am overweight (again, bmi), and is thinking of sending me to an endocrine specialist to see if maybe my enzymes, etc, are out of whack, since thyroid didn't show anything.

Yet, even if they are, I can't walk more than 2 blocks without getting pain in my left hip and shoulder now. And what REALLY sucks, is there is not a darn thing I can do about it. I went to a physiotherapist, and she said I could try and strengthen the muscles to compensate for the imbalance, but it probably wouldn't help, and working out will always give me pain. Sucks huh?

It still bothers me when I see people super overweight, but then I think, what if they have something medical, because you never know.

Then there are the people like my sister's neighbour. Both her kids are huge!! She is a stay at home mom and all she buys are packaged fried crap food, because her excuse is she doesn't know how to cook.

I would like to eat a little heathier myself though, but it's really hard because my BF refuses to change some of his eating habits (he will NOT switch to brown rice no matter how hard I try, he is philipino and has to have white rice with EVERY MEAL!) I would like to start eating more grains and beans as protein sources, but he won't even touch them. And good quality low fat meat (like chicken breast) is soooooo expensive these days.

July 15th, 2006, 12:27 PM
BMI is absolute cr@p. This photo was taken 3 years ago at a spring training camp in Florida. My friend Eric is 20 lbs "overweight" and I am 10 lbs "overweight". IMO we look a little on the skinny side....I weigh over 15 lbs less than that now (lost all my muscle, and a tonne of weight when I stopped training) and am nowhere near as fit..(thank you 4 lbs a month!!!!)

cr*p, it's HUGE!!! sorry:o

July 15th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Raingirl, have you looked into orthotics in your shoes, to bring your feet into balance and give you better alignment? I have scoliosis too but very mild, never had a problem with my back, touch wood.

July 15th, 2006, 07:12 PM
I suggested orthotics to a few health professionals (physio, chiro, and family doc) and all three didn't think it would help.

July 16th, 2006, 03:09 PM
Completly opposite;the actress that plays on the pirates movie #2 (I think she's the one that Prin doesn't like) don't remember her name but they were talking about her on tv;she is 5"7 and weights 100 pounds :eek: she says she is NOT anorexic :rolleyes: yea,right.

July 16th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Isn't it weird how normal people get fatter and movie stars get skinnier?

I was just reading an article the other day on how pediatricians (in America at least) tell parents their kids are "at risk for overweight" if they're overweight and that the kids are "overweight" if they're obese. That's stupid. If the kid is overweight, he's overweight. "At risk for overweight" is nonsensical and not even proper grammar! And do these doctors think the kids don't KNOW they're overweight? Hello, they're probably teased about it every day! It's not going to be an earth-shattering revelation! Just help them (and their parents) understand what needs to be done without acting like being overweight is something soooo horrible it can't even be mentioned in polite society.

Genetics play a big role in weight so it's very difficult for some people to lose weight even when they're trying, unfortunately. For example, during college my roommate was grossly obese. She would exercise every day and eat healthy foods like salads. I didn't exercise at all and ate things like hamburgers, pizza, cheesecake, etc., and didn't gain a pound. In fact, I lost five pounds my first year at college. It was just one of those things.

Also, lower income people often run into trouble because healthful foods like fresh veggies and fruit are comparatively expensive. For example a co-worker of mine had to pay $14 to get enough rhubarb to make two pies! INSANE!


July 16th, 2006, 04:28 PM
If you see healthy chubby kids,you must blame it on the parents for not teaching children to eat right and not encouraging or teaching them how to do things.

I totally agree. People like to blame it on genetics. "My mom was overweight and that's why I am".... well sure, cause your mom fed you the same foods that she was eating, and she was overweight so not eating proper foods.
Sure, fast food is cheap, but McDonalds costs just as much as Subway, and the only difference is that you get a toy at McDonalds. Why don't more people go to Subway, or places like Pita Pit (not sure if anyone else has these), or... I can't think of others, but I know they exist. Oh, I know. Because the McDonalds is right in the Walmart, so you can buy your store-brand dog food and your fast-food dinner at the same time. People are living too much for convienience these days and always blaming others for their problems.

That's my personal concern; no one is taking any responsibility for their own health or weight. Obese parents will often say they cook greasy foods, or go out for dinner, because they don't know how to cook. But they all seem to know how to watch TV, so why aren't they watching the food network????

I have the same issue with parents who's kids are out of control but who watch those Nanny 911 shows, though. They see it on TV, but they don't bother to *do* any of it in their own homes. It makes me sad.

But there are a few people who I really cheer for. I was going to a Deep Water Workout class about 2 years ago now (I've since moved and don't go to the same place). In the pool with us was 3 overweight women. 2 of them were extremely obese, one the mother, one the daughter. They would show up 10 minutes late, and leave 20 minutes early, and the class was an hour. During the 30 minutes they were in the pool, they were pretty much just floating around, talking to each other. After I got out of the pool, I'd go sit in the hot tub, and there they'd be, floating like beached whales (sorry if that's offensive but that's what they looked like!!). The other overweight woman was always in the pool even before I was (and I was almost always there 5 minutes early) and she kicked my ass at everything in there. She worked harder than I did!! She'd been going to that class for over a year, 4 nights a week + once on Saturday. Since she started, she'd lost more than 70 lbs. No word of a lie, she said this is almost the only thing that they changed in their family (they ate pretty normal cooked-at-home meals). Her husband was also overweight but her kids were pretty good. A little chubby, but not bad. She had the kids in swimming lessons and all 4 of them would ride their bikes to the pool; mom was in DWW while Dad supervised the swim lessons + playtime after (lessons were only 1/2 hr). She was amazed at her results and told everyone she could how awesome it had been for her. But as with any exercise program, you get out what you put into it. She put everything into it, so she got great results.

Anyhow... I'm going to get off my soapbox now and go back outside!


July 16th, 2006, 04:44 PM are sooo right.It is very expensive to eat healthy.I bought 2 nectarines at the grocery in early June (not like if it was in December right?) and when I got home I looked at my bill just to see how much they cost me.$3.64! Yes.$3.64 for 2 nectarines.Now I don't eat meat,good thing because I don't think I could afford it! I don't now how families with 2-3 kids do it,but boy,it must be more than a mortgage per month! And with the gaz $$ that just went up,everything will cost more.yipee!

July 16th, 2006, 05:43 PM
Also, lower income people often run into trouble because healthful foods like fresh veggies and fruit are comparatively expensive. For example a co-worker of mine had to pay $14 to get enough rhubarb to make two pies! INSANE!


Im glad that you added this point, it is more difficult for low-income families to feed their children more nutritional food. It's more expensive for the non saturated fats margarines, the low fat products are out of price range, fresh fruits and vegetables not always available, particularly when you are living off of food banks. When the government is telling people on welfare that they should be able to survive on peanut butter and bologne what real chance do they have of losing weight if they are already dealing with weight problems, then they don't have enough money to survive and no choice in the foods that they are offered.

I think it's important to partake in exercise and to get kids involved in daily activity, but as was said in other threads, you can't just kick your kids outside for the day like when we were young, not only is it dangerous, I find that the weather plays a very big role in how much my kids can be outside. Is it just me or are there a lot more kids with breathing related problems? Today the weather in Toronto feels like 41, I think it's actually just 35, but a lot of people take these things into account, and not everyone can afford programs to take their kids to gym programs or summer camps, etc.

I find it disturbing to see a grossly overweight person, but I also find it disturbing to see a grossly underweight person, and then she says, 'I'm so fat.' And then to wonder where she gets this terrible misinterpretation of herself, oh I know, the media, from seeing these gorgeous women on television and in magazines, they don't put disclaimers saying, these women are using added support on their stomachs, or haven't eaten in weeks, or this picture has been airbrushed or digitally skewed, please, don't try this at home. I watched a movie called, Requiem for a Dream, it broke my heart watching the mother go on and on hurting herself because she wanted to lose a few pounds.

I myself have been on both sides of this fence, I've been terribly underweight although not complaining about being fat, just that I didn't have any food that I wanted to eat, then after having my first daughter, I put on a lot of weight, then I lost it all really fast, then I gained it back again, then lost it again. For me, I feel lucky that I don't think of myself as I should be that person and not me, I think if that were the case, I would never have been able to take myself out of it, just because I would be so depressed.

Any hoo, enough with my rant.

Either way, overweight, underweight, disillusioned, it's all quite sad.

July 16th, 2006, 06:03 PM
I don't think it is expensive to eat healthy - in fact it is the other way around, but then I grew up in a rural area so may have a different perspective. I like this whole eat local "movement" which is sort of what we always did before. Buy from local farmers and "real" organic places, not just what is called such in supermarkets. I cringe at grocery stores when I see so many buying all those processed foods - and eating out is definitely more expensive. You can grow a small garden - as I do - and my family does in a very small patch and have veggies. I have friends who grow some beggies on their balcony in a high rise. Support local farmer co-ops and often you get excellent value for your money.

There are always some things I like I cannot get locally -esp in the winter when veggies like red peppers cost a small fortune but even with that, making a chicken dish with veggies and freezing sections is still cheaper than buying frozen foods.

I do like Kashi cereal which alas even tho is called "Health Food" is made by Kellogg's but Kelloggs gives megabucks to medical research so they are not all bad, lol I am not fond of cereal with a lot of sugar.

But you are correct in that the cost of food is going up - everywhere - but there are ways to save. We had a nutritionist come to give a seminar to some of the parents we see and she was superb!! I know families on social assistance who eat extremely well and I also treat well to do families who have overweight unhealthy habits.

I have never told a child s/he is obese. It seems like a tough word for a child to cope with especially if they are ill! And usually they loose weight if they are seeing an oncologist, the extra weight can be helpful if they are young. (as long as it is not morbid obesity). I would certainly explain the basics of nutrition to a teenager or refer them to a nutritionist for health reasons.

Parents are another matter again. A parent who blames a child for eating too much needs better parenting skills. (Bec in all liklihood, they also have made their child feel badly about something else).

I really do not think it is what anyone looks like that is important - tho I know some ppl obsess about such things, lol - it is how healthy one is! And being overweight is not healthy, at all, at all as the Irish say.

There is little difference in the stats between Canada and the US. We prob address more issues in Canada because every child actually sees a doctor. In the US, unless a family has insurance, the child is not likely to even see a pediatrician - in fact, vaccinations are likely to be given at a public health clinic. (Like we did pre Medicare). Our lifestyles in the US and Canada are very similar tho we do have a much lower rate of infant mortality. (Again bec of prenatal care et al). The families who do have good HMO's in the US tho do have access to excellent care!

July 16th, 2006, 09:17 PM
I have always had the opposite problem. I'm underweight and right now its because I'm not eating as much as I should. Before I moved out I was eating twice a day (skipped breakfast) and I was eating decently both meals and I still couldn't put a pound on!

Then again a high metabolism runs in my mom's side of the family. Mother at 9months pregnant with me (or my brother) hadn't made the lowest weight in the "ideal weight" for a 5'7 woman. When she got married she was 90 pounds (at age 27 ish). Did she look anorexic? Nope. At no time has she. She's just got a high metabolism and it seems I've inherited it.

Dad on the other hand was quite "fit" as a teen/20s/30s but he's actually overweight now. Why? He sits at home and watches TV or is on the computer. He's also got some health problems too (high blood pressure, recently had cancer, etc.) and even when he was active (he used to play linesman at the home soccer games for myself and my brother (which meant twice a week he was running up and down a soccer field for a good 90 minutes)) he still was overweight and still had health problems. He's got a bad ankle (he tore all of his ligaments in the ankle and walking any length of time hurts like hell for him now) too (btw the surgery to fix his ankle will last maybe 15 years and would cost a massive amount of money for us because its not a necessary surgery). He could lose some weight but he won't and I know that.

My two cents.


July 16th, 2006, 09:58 PM
I don't think it is expensive to eat healthy - in fact it is the other way around,

i agree, cyberkitten - it's all about making choices. tofu is cheaper than a pack of hotdogs, and you can make a bag of dried beans and rice last a loooong way - just skip the Kraft Dinner and frozen fries. we could learn alot from the asian culture, for example, who use meat as a flavoring and not as a main ingredient (rice noodles, or rice, and beans, with a bit of shredded meat, and lots of veggies). skip desserts, or make your own like jello, canned fruit if none is available fresh, etc. skip the fried foods, the processed foods, the convenience foods and by god, how difficult is it to borrow a cookbook from the library and learn a few recipes!

IMO, there is NO excuse for obesity barring medical issues. Laziness is NOT an excuse. walk and ride your bike instead of driving to the corner store. engage in physical activities wherever you can, enroll the kids in sports, make them do yardwork, get rid of the xbox! don't order pizza because "you're tired and the kids are hungry", have some foresight to cook a big batch of whatever on the weekend and freeze portions for "those days". Poverty is also NOT an excuse, most of the world is dirt-poor and they're not fat, are they? they also don't have burger kings at every other street corner, and grocery stores bursting with chocolate hohos and chips on sale, either. it's about making the right choices, and bothering to get the information and get educated instead of whining "but it's not my fault". i am sooo tired of lame-@ssed excuses for obesity and fatness. if you don't have a medical issue (including hormones, genetics, injury, illness, etc), you don't have an excuse! plus many medical conditions are *caused* by obesity. feh.

ok off my soapbox now... :rolleyes:

July 16th, 2006, 11:10 PM
I think in a way, poverty is an excuse. My brother is a vegan and he had to alter his entire lifestyle to suit it. It's more expensive to be a vegan than to eat like most people do- by which I mean, everything in moderation. I also think when you're working 2 or 3 jobs to pay for your 3 kids or whatever, time is short and spending a 1/2 hour to 45 mins cooking falls to the bottom of the list of priorities.

I also think that dieting is an issue. I can say that after therapy for anorexia, and starting to eat again, probably less than the two meals dtbmnec was talking about, I gained 40lbs in less than 4 months. My metabolism was already unbelievably screwed up (and SLOOOOW!!!) and then I got a fricken thyroid problem. In June and July, I barely ate- probably averaged out to 1.5 meals a day, plus I exercised a helluva lot more than I used to, and I still gained 1/2 a pound.

So while I'm not obese (I hope- unless I'm just not seeing things clearly), I can understand the lethargy and hopelessness. Once you reach a certain point, your goals tend to be so far away that you don't know why you should even bother. Life sucks when you're super pudgy, yes, but it also sucks if you never get to eat anything and become antisocial because you're always out running or in running or whatever.

end rant/
(stupid bridesmaid dress... :o)

July 17th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Im glad that you added this point, it is more difficult for low-income families to feed their children more nutritional food. It's more expensive for the non saturated fats margarines, the low fat products are out of price range, fresh fruits and vegetables not always available, particularly when you are living off of food banks. When the government is telling people on welfare that they should be able to survive on peanut butter and bologne what real chance do they have of losing weight if they are already dealing with weight problems, then they don't have enough money to survive and no choice in the foods that they are offered.

I don't want to take away completely from your point, because I think you have a good one, but I wanted to point out that people who are reliant on food banks are probably *less* likely to be obese, IMO. Why? Because they can't afford to take their families to McD's for meals, and they can't afford things that we take for granted, like butter, potatoe chips & soda pop. If they're *really* relying on food banks, they're probably also eating *less* food overall than the "average" person. They might not be getting completely balanced meals, and no, likely not getting fresh fruit and veggies... but I'd almost bet that people who really are dependent on food banks are going to be eating less and therefore not getting obese. They also probably can't afford TV, so they have to do things other than watching TV or playing video games for entertainment.

Of course... some people who "depend" on food banks aren't really dependent on them. And most fast food places probably cost more money than the same ingredients would at a grocery store. I *know* I could make a Big Mac at home for less than it costs at McDonalds. And it'd probably be a whole lot healthier.

Ok... while we're beating on McDonalds, I just checked their nurition calculator (McDonald's Nutrition Calculator ( and they're showing that the lettuce in a Big Mac contributes 3g of fat. LETTUCE?? Has FAT???? How?????


July 17th, 2006, 12:12 PM
Dog Melissa, on the big mac thingy, the columns are shifted over one, so adding lettuce adds three calories, not three grams of fat. :p

July 17th, 2006, 12:38 PM
I disagree about poverty being an excuse. If you're poor, you can't afford to eat at McDonalds, or go out for fat-rich coffee or to the movies to eat buttered popcorn by the bathtub full.

I didn't know you had anorexia Prin, good for you for beating it. There are, however, some medical conditions that *do* actually cause people to overeat. I watched a show about this, this poor kid had it... trying to find out what it's called... There it is: Prader-Willi Syndrome (more info here: PWS (

Veganism is a choice. It's an expensive choice. In order to make those choices, you have to have good income. Survey the local homeless population, and you won't find a single vegan, probably no vegetarians either. And you won't find people who refuse to drink anything but Perrier water. Money does funny things to people's minds.

On a bit of a tangent... I'm eating dry cheerios out of the bag (I always eat them dry unless I have yogurt and today I don't have any yogurt), and I compared them to a single Big Mac nutritionally. One single Big Mac totals 208g, has 530 calories and 29g fat (45% of your daily intake). Not even considering fries! My Cheerios (and yes, this is true Cheerios not the no-name stuff) suggests that one serving (1 cup) is 30g, has 120 calories and 2g of fat. In order for me to consume the same amount of calories as that one Big Mac, I'd have to eat 5 cups of Cheerios. I'd have to eat 14.5 cups total to get the same amount of fat. 14.5 cups of Cheerios, just to put in perspective, is 435g, or almost a full bag (I have the jumbo box with 2 bags in it, total weight 1000g). I also get more iron, more fibre and more vitamins in one cup of cheerios than in the Big Mac.
I was blown away by that... 14 cups of cheerios!!!

Anyhow... I'm outta here... I have lots of cheerios to get eating!

July 17th, 2006, 12:47 PM
I was just going to post that I'd made that mistake. Sorry!!!

July 17th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Why should anyone need "an excuse" for obesity? No, it's not healthy to be obese and people should try to stay fit for their health, but it's not a moral failing or a crime. If your fat, you're fat, just like if you smoke, you smoke, or if you get drunk off your butt every weekend, you get drunk off your butt every weekend. And out of those three being overweight is the one that isn't going to cause drunk driving accidents or secondhand lung cancer.

When humans were roving around in nomadic tribes, fat people probably WERE generally lazy, since all the "work" involved running hither and tither hunting and gathering (or watching kids, which would also involve a lot of running back and forth, I imagine. ;) ) Well, now we live in a society with desk jobs where you sit in one spot all day or McJobs (shudder) where you stand in one spot all day and get free, unhealthful McFood. After working eight hours a day, should people really be obligated to go running and sweating? If they choose to, great. It's a great decision and one I support. And if they don't choose to? Heck, if you've just worked eight miserable hours at the office, you can do whatever you want to with the few measly hours remaining until bed as far as I'm concerned. (Can you tell I work in an office? ;) )

It's silly to judge people just because they're an unhealthy weight, which happens all too frequently. Rude comments and stares are sadly the norm for overweight people. "Fat people are lazy, hur hur!" Well, laziness of the body doesn't concern me half so much as laziness of the brain, which is rampant in America. (Just look at our president. *weep*)

July 17th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Thank you LM!

While I'm not overwieght now, I know I will be soon, and I firmly believe it is not my fault, but people judge me for it.

I run 10 km/day, walk 4 km/day and bike 15 km/day. I eat very healthily, yet I gain about 4-5 lbs a month, not of muscle but of pure old jiggly fat.
I am EXTREMELY hypometabolic due to medications, and I know I am not the only one in the world who is.

Despite this, people still look at me and say "wow... you look uhh... different...."

I tell myself daily that I will not be on these meds for ever, and that eventually, things will change, but right now, it's pretty hard when people are so judgemental based on our appearances.

July 17th, 2006, 02:54 PM
it's not about judging people... my two best girlfriends are BIG girls and both suffer from medical conditions, they are some of the smartest and least-lazy people that i know :)

it's about those overweight people who complain about being overweight, yet do nothing to change the situation and blame everything on everybody but themselves. :cool:

July 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Oh yes, blaming other people is just not on. Like that lady who sued McDonalds because she "didn't know" their food was full of fat. *rolleyes* What bothers me, though, is people who act like being overweight is akin to burying bodies in the backyard. "Oh my God, that person is FAT! *holds up a little cruxifix to ward them off*" It's a HEALTH problem. People often get overweight by making poor decisions, but they also often get diabetic from making poor decisions and it's not like anyone says, "Oh my goodness, you're diabetic? Aren't you ASHAMED?" It just saddens me that someone's appearance can cause people to assume that they're lazy or stupid.

Anyhoo, I was pondering childhood obesity, which is the worst kind IMO as kids aren't fully aware of which choices make them obese, so they're kind of helpless without adult intervention. (Either that or they go too far the other direction and become bulimic/anorexic.)

And I'll bet one factor is that in really low-poverty areas, it may not even be possible to send kids outside to play. I mean the really awful places in the inner city where you can't walk down the street without worrying about getting mugged and where there are lots of drive-by shootings. If you lived in an apartment in an area like that, where COULD you safely send the kids to run around? :(

July 17th, 2006, 03:16 PM
i still have sooo much to say about all of this, i don't know where to start! :o there was an investigative report done a few years ago on supermarket food chains here in Montreal, and the fact that the SAME chain had different prices for the SAME foods, the SAME week, depending on where the store was located. the shocker? the more expensive foods were found in the poorest neighborhoods! i mean, that's just crazy :mad:

my brother (yes mr pecs, LOL) used to work for a drugstore chain a few years ago (starts with J...) and he could not believe it, every 1st of the month when the welfare checks were cashed in, some parents did their groceries (yes, groceries) there. KD, cases of soda, chips, canned soups, crackers, and cigarettes (back in the days when cigs were still sold in drugstores).

i think alot of it has a part to do with people not being educated on nutrition, and another part of not caring. as i said before, many countries have a high level of poverty yet the general population is not overweight, this seems to primarily affect certain nations. culture, maybe? i know that when i travel to the states, most of the time i have trouble finding restaurants that have healthy choices on the menu that are not boring to death, or portions i can manage. what is it with a whole fried chicken and 2 lbs of fries on one freaking plate? :eek:

July 17th, 2006, 03:51 PM
First, in response to Puppyluv; I've sent you a PM.

In response to LM; I'm no expert, but I believe that at least *some* of those extremely crime-ridden neighbourhoods have some sort of community centre where the kids can go to play, relatively safely. Or, if they can't get outdoors, who's really to stop them from running around inside their apartment? What did you do on rainy/snowy/cold days as a kid when you couldn't go outside? We didn't sit around and play video games because it was too crappy outside. If we were stuck in the house, we'd play stupid games, card games and a limited amount of tag or hide & seek. Even if our bodies weren't moving, our brains were working. Not that having an active brain burns fat, but an active imagination goes a long way towards thinking up active things to do. We'd also help our mom cook big dinners or make bread or something on those days when we couldn't go out. Or really.... if they have to be playing video games, they should be playing DDR! (Has anyone else played this?)
But I do understand the point you're trying to make. However... kids in those communities aren't really at as much risk of being overweight as they are of becoming part of a drug-dealing gang, or of getting hurt in a gang war. One would think running away from criminals must give them enough exercise?

I do place a lot of blame on the educational system as a whole. When I was a kid, we didn't have a choice about Phys Ed. You were *gonna* participate unless you had a note from your doctor saying you physically couldn't. In Junior High, they tortured us with what they called "The 12 minute Run", which was exactly as it sounds (how many laps around the gym can you run in 12 minutes). It was horrible, especially since I have sprinter's muscles, not endurance running muscles. Even if you couldn't run it all, you had to at least try, and you had to at least walk around and around. Most of the teachers didn't let you get away with walking it, either. But in elementary, we played physical games, we threw balls at each other (Bombardment!!), climbed ropes, played soccer, softball, floor hockey... just ran around like fools... we were always active. And then we'd be out on the playground at lunch & after school. Now you see kids sitting in supposed phys ed classes, and they're having deep conversations with each other, or with the teacher. They're sitting there being lectured on how the sport of baseball is played. They could probably name all the muscles in their body, but they couldn't throw a ball 10 feet if their life depended on it. That's where I think a lot of the fault is.

Rant over...


Rick C
July 17th, 2006, 03:53 PM
This might not have anything to do with anything . . . . . but Mrs. C and I found it pretty amazing that people were actually doing their daily grocery shopping at Harrods in Knightsbridge in London when we were visiting . . . . a truly magical place if you want to know the truth.

Now, THIS is an expensive place to eat healthy!!

Harrods Food Halls:

The stores:

Rick C

July 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM
Oh. My. Goodness.

If I had enough money to shop there, I can't imagine what my life would be like. I'd be driven around in the world's fanciest vehicle, live in a marble castle with stained glass windows, and probably pay someone a substantial salary to wipe my bum when I poo. But of course, if I was that rich, I could probably pay someone to take away the inconvienience of having to poo at all.

Some people have too much money. It's not fair!


July 17th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Did someone mention TOFU???I would not eat that if you paid me to do so:D
A lot of poor people,I mean working poor and those on social assistance can get an awful lot of full bellies from the cheapest food of all,Mac/Cheese,do they care if it's not a healthy food??
I doubt that,they are just hungry!
We have a huge Organic store here in Oakville,everything is"Organic"and about three times as expensive as anywhere else.
It's ok to be a vegetarian(although I am not)veggies are not too expensive in this country,but I bet,if a mother has to fill 3 empty little tummys,she'll go for Mac/Cheese,forget the broccoli!!
For most of us,who worry about our animals eating good expensive food,it's hard to understand how a mother can choose fatty,unhealthy food for her kids,but that's the way it is...whatever fills their tummys,is what matters to her.
Growing up really poor,I know how my mother struggled to put food on the table for me.
I really resent,when people say all wellfare-moms,spend their money on cigarettes and McDonalds.
Even if they take the kids to McDonalds for a treat once a month,it's not going to make them obese.
Personally I have NEVER had McDonalds,I just don't like it,but I know of several well-to-do families who practically live on junk-food,mom works all day,no time to cook.
Hubby and I actually ordered a Pizza today,which happens once in a blue moon,I just did not feel like cooking.:D

July 17th, 2006, 05:08 PM
I agree Tofu ewww. Not enough tea in China to make me eat it. The thing I don't get is why do vegetarians eat all these things like ground round and fake hot dogs and veggie burgers? But even when mom was too busy to cook a full dinner and we had Mac and Cheese she always put tuna in it. You can eat healthy on a budget you have to know how to shop. I cannot believe how expensive it is to eat at Mcpuke and chuck I took my friends kids this weekend for sundaes and the guy in front of me bought dinner for 4 and it was over 20.00 for that crud. I could feed a family of 4 a full chicken and all the fixings for 20.00 and it would be a lot healthier than that stuff and a lot less fattening

July 17th, 2006, 05:15 PM
we grew up poor... one young salary and 3 kids, my mom was stay-at-home, she cooked our bread, tended to a big garden, made preserves and jams and canned stuff for the winter, when my parents divorced it was worse than ever BUT we always ate well (sometimes KD and bologna because we loved it, and bologna back then was much better than the crap it has become today!), we had to eat our veggies or no desserts, we ate roasts and alot of potatoes and leftovers, plenty of pasta with home-made sauce, dessert was often a sliced banana with milk and brown sugar, what a treat! we played outside all the time, rode our bikes everywhere, we never had chocolate or chips in the house, cookies was a treat doled out after meals, we snacked on fruit and veggies and granola bars... takeout was unheard of and yes, McD once in a blue moon, what a treat that was! but it was not staple food.

how times have changed! :(

July 17th, 2006, 05:43 PM
My mom was a stay at home mom to we walked everywhere we only had one car so we walked. We played outside all the time even in the winter maybe not as long but we were outside everyday. We also walked to school which seems to be a thing of the past. Did anyone elses parents drive them to school everyday and pick them up. If we got p/u it was a treat or the weather was really horrific. I do not mean a little rain. We had to take gym only death could get you out of it every other day and we had a pool at our school so pool one of those days. And five minutes to dry your hair and get to class hated it. Plus I could swim better than my teacher I was a life guard in the summers. I got out of 2 months of pool by beating her in a race. She was stunned but a deal was a deal. But in my neighbourhood I see it all the time the kids that are pretty fit are the ones you see playing outside the others you barely see and they are pudgy or downright fat. This is a bad way to start your life, it is unhealthy but worse for kids is the stigmatizm they have to live with which deflates there self esteem which in turn makes them turn to food for comfort. A vicious cycle that has to be broken.

July 17th, 2006, 09:52 PM
If your fat, you're fat, just like if you smoke, you smoke, or if you get drunk off your butt every weekend, you get drunk off your butt every weekend. The only difference is for a lot of people, it's not a choice whether or not to get fat. You don't wake up in the morning and say, "Today's a good day to get stinkin' fat." You know?

And a lot of the time too, it's not about laziness. There are a ton of contributing factors. Who knows if it can even be the hormones in our milk or meat that screw up our natural balance and plump us out faster than we used to plump out? Or maybe they slow down our metabolism and make us lethargic? While we do put the food in our mouths, how much control do we have over what we actually eat? I mean, am I just drinking a glass of 1% milk or am I drinking milk with flavors, sugars, fats, vitamins, minerals, antibiotics, hormones, etc etc added in to make it tastier, the cows more productive, the milk whiter, and so on? How do you decide what to eat when everything is laced with something unhealthy?

Puppyluv I feel for you. Really. Even when you know intellectually what is going on, hopping on the scale, looking in the mirror and watching people react to you is so hard. It just sucks. :sad: :grouphug:

I have pics of me as a twig (not healthy either) and now I have probably double the hiney I used to. I can joke about it, which I think helps me, but at the same time, people feel sorry for me, which I hate. They try to reassure me, saying it will work itself out when my hormones are back to normal and my metabolism levels out, but "one day" doesn't help me "today".

What I wish is that one day, the media will stop peddling thin as fit and overweight as unfit. You can be so sick at any weight, and you can also be healthy at a higher weight. Under these flabs, I still do have abs... :D

I didn't know you had anorexia Prin, good for you for beating it. There are, however, some medical conditions that *do* actually cause people to overeat. Thanks. I don't think you ever beat it, because it's an empowering thing in a super twisted way (like a drug). But I watch out....

As for over eating- I can tell you that hyperthyroidism makes you eat... You feel so tired and hungry all the time, and you eat and still don't have the energy to do anything productive... It sucks..

July 18th, 2006, 02:38 AM
I just want to add that DDR is "the bomb!" (or whatever the new cool word for awesome is)

THAT is a game I will happily play! There are various modes (everything from just doing a song individually to doing song after song after song to a workout mode) and there are even some that will calculate how many calories (??) you burn by playing for each song! In other words you dance to the song (which is much more challenging than you would think!) and then based on your weight and a few other things you input it will actually calculate how many calories you've burned!

There are challenges and there are several different skill levels (usually...if you have the XBOX version it sucks) from beginner (which pretty much means you don't burn anything but you learn how to do the steps) to challenge (which has so many arrows going so fast I'm still not sure how the bf does it!).

*drool* definately an awesome game!


July 18th, 2006, 01:00 PM
My heart goes out to anyone trying to loose weight - it is very difficult and bravo to anyone doing it!!!

I disagree that poverty is an excuse for not eating well - as I said before. I know the stores do weird things with prices. I noticed at one yesterday!! (I wanted a product to make strawberry jam and they have a "new" roduct that is 2 X as the old one. I also disagree re time. I am busy and have been almost all my life- even as busy Resident and intern working 100 hrs a week( I still have awful hrs come to think of it, lol) I was able to eat well tho I missed a few meals. (I could live on cereal, lol) I do go out to eat on occasio of course but I don't make it a habit - I usually bring my lunch and one chidken can last a week - chicken stew, chicken caccitore, chicken sandwiches. And I know families who do that as well.

I guess growing up with a family who had a farm, I am loathe to buy processed products. As it is, I am not kean on what is in some of the stuff we buy!!

Sorry to hear about your anerexia prin but glad you defeated it!! I have always been underweight but it is not due to anerexia - I was just born that way I guess. My family used to find diets to make me gain weight but they never worked. I never worried about it. (I used to joke that I eat to live, not live to eat.) Then I had part of my stomach removed and was even less hungry. But one can increase metablism with exercise - even just walking or yard work or walking upstairs instead of taking the elevator. I wish you luck Puppyluv in your struggle too! I don't think there are any easy answers and we all have to make our individual choices based on the body we were given.

July 18th, 2006, 04:21 PM
I'd like to put a word in here as an overweight person.
No one tries to be overweight.
It totally creeps up on you, eating a little more of even "good for you" food can add a few pounds.

I once gave up Diet pop, hoping to save some money, I gained 20lbs in a year because what I replaced it with was cheaper but higher in cal.

I've lost 60lbs. so far this year and the one thing I've learned is how hard things were to do. Once you reach a certain weight you can't imagine walking up the stairs let alone walking for a mile or two.
I went shopping on sunday with my sister we were in a hurry so we moved very quickly. We didn't get to the store she wanted to go to because she was too tired. I'd wore her out yay! for me.

July 18th, 2006, 04:41 PM
I just have to say about tehse stars that get so skinny so fast and say oh i just dont eat as an ex user of meth,and cocaine they can say all they want i would guarantee for alot of them it si drugs they are using that is getting them that skinnny that fast and then gain weight back jsut as fast