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drug resistant bacteria??

raingirl
May 31st, 2006, 09:22 PM
Hello everyone. I know I have been a little MIA lately, but I have been super busy and so tired that I haven't really turned my computer on, except to apply for jobs.

We also have been having a problem with Odin. Since about January/February, we have been battling eye and anal gland infections without any luck. We are at a loss. The vet has no idea. A swab indicated that the bacteria is staph, so it may be drug resistant, however, the last round of antibiotics which were strong and done for two weeks, they didn't work, since now it's been three weeks, and all the infections are back.

And despite using yogurt all the time, he now seems to have really bad ear problems. He had excema in one ear, which is worse, and it's all flakey and dry and swollen. It's not red though. But the other ear just started getting red and weepy in the last week or so. It is just red and very waxy, but not smelly or with anything that looks like an infection. I was thinking maybe it was a yeast infection? And this heat doesn't help either!! The A/C in our building doesn't go on until tomorrow, so we are overheated here too!

Our vet is stumped, and I don't like the idea of more antibiotics. We also consulted with a specialist, and he has no idea either. The biggest problem is Odin is on immune suppresants for his eyes to improve tear production, but that makes him more succeptable to infection. If he goes off them, his eyes get so dry that he can't even close his eyes, so we can't take him off them.

I am so sad seeing him like this and I have no idea what to do. I hate to see his eyes and ears all gunky/flakey/red, and he scoots all the time. I feel like we have tried everything.

On top of all this, we are broke. I don't even have enough money right now to pay my bills and the rent tomorrow. I can use any suggestions you have!

doggy lover
May 31st, 2006, 09:45 PM
Sorry to hear that Oden is feeling bad, I hope he feels better soon.:grouphug:

technodoll
May 31st, 2006, 10:08 PM
hmmm.... what are you feeding odin? not saying that his diet is related to his condition but it sounds suspect... do check this out if you wish... you never know, might be worth a try. :) http://www.boneapetit.ca/pets.html

We got our Standard Poodle (Belle) at age 2 from a top breeder in Canada who fed her dogs the raw diet. Belle was the picture of health.

After 1 year I noticed her teeth had yellowed and I made that comment to the breeder. She said this was a result of feeding kibble (too much starch). She gave me the diet she feeds all her dogs and because I was ignorant on the topic and thought it would be too cumbersome, I brushed it off. It was about this time we got our second poodle," Lyla," a Canadian Champion.

In our second year, Belle started having mucousy stools. After a visit to the vet and many tests later, she was diagnosed with IBD (irritable bowel disease). They put her on pills and this cleared up the problem, however after the pills were finished it came back. More pills later and a "special diet" (available only from vets, for apparently the rest of Belle's life) was recommended. Even with the new food without the pills, the condition returned.

Meanwhile, Lyla was starting to develop ear problems (infections with yeast and black tar buildup) which required several visits to the vet for "flushings" and medication.

After several months, and numerous vet bills, it was suggested we see a specialist and make an appointment at the University of Guelph (a vet school and animal research centre). After a month of special pills to fight the yeast infection, the buildup seemed to subside, but was still there. One possible solution suggested was a $700 ear/canal widening operation to "alleviate" the problem.

I called our breeder out of frustration. She told me it was their diet. For Lyla, our breeder said her poodles do not have a history of narrow ear canals and all the widening would do is allow more air into the canal, not solve the yeast or tar build up.

I then got on the web and investigated everything I could find about BARF and/or a Natural Raw Feeding Diet for pets. I eventually prepared my own "veggie glop" with all the leafy greens and gave them a dinner of raw chicken necks/backs. Within 3 days Belle's mucus coated stools (colitis) had disappeared. Both dogs went through some diarrhea and detox which is a normal reaction to switching to a raw diet. Meanwhile, Lyla's ear infection improved. A follow-up visit to the University suggested improvements had occurred in her ear and we were surprised that the vet (an allergy specialist/professor) reacted favourably to our switch to a Natural Diet as a possible cure for Lyla's problem.

It has now been two months since making the switch. I have never looked back. Their coats are soft and shiny as when we first got them, and teeth are white again, the beautiful white in their eyes has returned . My vet initally called to see how they are doing and I believe he was surprised that this diet was working. We have since switched to a new vet. Our new vet believes in feeding natural foods and takes a holistic approach.

Prin
June 1st, 2006, 03:49 AM
At this point, I think the anals really have to come out and you have to change foods. I know you've tried a few, so maybe home cooked or raw would be worth a try. At least you'd know exactly what he was getting and have a better chance of eliminating allergens completely (if he does have dietary ones).

The ear infections are probably from the antibiotics too. Skin has a ton of naturally occurring bacteria and with all those rounds of pills, it's likely that the balance has been disturbed. I'd drop the yogurt and head for probiotics in pill form (you have to get the ones that are kept in the fridge and are alive). In cases like this, yogurt just won't have enough active bacterial culture to be effective (especially when you're using super hard antibiotics).

Poor Odin. I hope this all gets sorted soon (along with your finances).:fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

raingirl
June 1st, 2006, 07:23 AM
I was actually wondering if it was allergy related as well. I think in the spring/summer, the enviro allergies cause his eyes more problems, which results in infection, and I suspect that will always happen and there is not much I can do about that.

He is currently on the Dick van patton allergy food, duck and potato. It's the only two ingredients he has. otherwise, we have tried every meat and carb out there with no success. This is the only one that he doesn't lick/chew his paws and his skin isn't all red.

Maybe it's a dairy issue, since he gets yogurt? I will try some of the pill format pro-biotics, as I have some in the fridge already that I bought in the winter. Should still be good.

I would love to feed raw and/or home made cooked meals, but we don't have the $$ or the freezer space to buy in bulk to make it cheaper.

I am at a loss as to what to use to clean his ears though. I have a over the counter ear cleaner that works, but it makes his ears really red the next day. Aloe is great because it softens all the wax, but it doesn't get it all out. We have a "burrows solution" that the vet recommened, but it also makes his ears red. I also tried a little hydrogen peroxide on a cloth, vinegar, and a mild boric acid solution. Any ideas?

Prin
June 1st, 2006, 04:17 PM
Does just diluted vinegar irritate him too? (I couldn't tell if the list you posted are all things you tried alone or in one mixture- there's a recipe for an ear cleaning thing on here somewhere like that). I'd stick to the cloth method (with some sort of juice on the cloth) and let the vet flush out the deep stuff. It seems to me that if any gets left in there, it'll just irritate the heck out of him.

Odin is such a hard guy to figure out.:o

Jackie467
June 1st, 2006, 04:24 PM
I don't really know anything that can help but I thought I would just give you some words of encourgment. Your doing a great job with Odin. He is a very lucky dog to have people who love him so much. I hope you figure out something soon. Good luck :fingerscr

glasslass
June 1st, 2006, 05:48 PM
I am at a loss as to what to use to clean his ears though. I have a over the counter ear cleaner that works, but it makes his ears really red the next day. Aloe is great because it softens all the wax, but it doesn't get it all out. We have a "burrows solution" that the vet recommened, but it also makes his ears red. I also tried a little hydrogen peroxide on a cloth, vinegar, and a mild boric acid solution. Any ideas?

Possibly Luba's ear treatment?
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=6311&highlight=ear+solution

raingirl
June 3rd, 2006, 08:15 PM
Well...we are going back to the vet tonight. It appears that Odin has a UTI...He peed twice in the house today, and he keeps asking to go out and pees a lot there. Grr...that means more antibiotics.

satchelp
June 3rd, 2006, 11:16 PM
Sorry to hear of all Odin's troubles. I would recommend a product called Zymox for his ears. This is not an ear cleaner. It treats infections in a gentle, but effective manner. It's non-irritating and is an enzymatic treatment, not an antibiotic. Some of the vets carry it, but you can order online from the U.S. without prescription. One of the places you can order is www.vetamerica.com . You will get hit with shipping charges and customs broker charges, but this stuff really worked well for my dog who had recurrent ear infections. I ordered a few bottles at a time to make it worth paying the shipping/customs charges. It will treat many different types of ear infections. If you can't wait to get it ordered from the U.S., you could perhaps call around the vet offices.

shredy
June 4th, 2006, 11:40 PM
I don't know if this will help but I am a nursing student and when we suspect resistant bacterial infections a culture and senstivity is done to determine whether the antibiotics we are using will be effective in fighting the infection. I know they can do these in dogs too. If your vet hasn't already done one, this is a possibilty. Good luck:fingerscr

chico2
June 5th, 2006, 07:45 AM
Raingirl,I am so sorry you and sweet,funny Odin are having so many problems,I hope you'll find a solution very soon:love: :fingerscr