May 24th, 2006, 03:25 AM
I have sleep issues... Doctor's won't hook me up with pills.. So I get odder hours at times.. But I live..
When I need to get up, I often wake up hourly to check the clock to make sure I haven't slept through my alarm.. So my sleep then sucks..
Need to get up at 7:15 so I can chaperone my sis to the lord of the rings the musical class trip.. And here I am.. up at 3:20am, (but I'm not alone, cause Prin is up too!!)
Have you gone insane when you lay in bed cuddling the dog and keep touching dog parts and telling her what thet are? 'This is your nose, these are your toes, oh oh I got your bummmmm'
I almost want to go walk the dog, cause it calms me.. but I am afraid I'll br drained for like 8 hours with high schoolers...
May 24th, 2006, 03:42 AM
lol no, I've been chatting with my man (because finally we're home together), and he hopped in the shower, so I dashed to the ol' computer to have a peek. I'm on my way to sleep though.
I do the exact same thing with the alarm though. I wake up every hour just to be sure. I find it helps if you set 2 or 3 (or 4) because then you don't have to worry about hearing one when you have backups. ;)
I've done the dog body part thing too. I go for the head- "Nose, ears eyes. Ears, nose, eyes. Eyes, ears, nose." etc etc. (you have to switch up the order to be sure they're not just memorizing that and not the actual names.:D )
(oh and crosswords help.. If you're anything like me, just trying to understand the clues is enough to kill my energy.)
May 24th, 2006, 03:50 AM
True on the multiple alarms.. I did that a few times in uni after staying up all night and sleeping almost through something huge..
Nowadays I'm just too neurotic to leave it be. I need to calculate how many more hours of sleep I have left before getting up too..
I have also learned when you start making the same typos regularly, they start to look 'normal'. That is so so sad.. Like inverting ing endings, I'm not always cathing them anymore.. That's horrible.. The things you learn at 3am..
Oh I hit up the doggie parts in random order, I just feel like a weirdo for having fun playing with my dog at 3am, rather than having an inkling to sleep...
LMAO on the crossword. Finding one might kill my energy.. I can feel it dwindling now that I've gone post-happy.. but it freaks me out that I have 3 hours before I have to be up. Sleep well though Prin, lol.
May 24th, 2006, 07:08 AM
they say that if you can see your clock, you don't sleep as well and you should turn your clock so that you can't see the time. I did that because I would wake up and look all the time too. Then I read that and turned it so I can't see it, and I slept so much better. If I wake up, if it's dark, I figure I don't have to be up, and I go back to sleep, instead of worrying that it's 3 am and I only have 3 more hours to sleep.
Also, my bf has his own alarm clock, so if mine doesn't go off, his does, and vice versa. But my bf never sleeps in anyway, and often gets up before the alarm, so I don't have to worry to much.
May 24th, 2006, 07:48 AM
When I can't sleep I drink one beer - but only one. It puts me right to sleep..but then I've been told I'm a cheap drunk....
I hope you enjoyed the play, and survived the non-furry rugrats.
May 24th, 2006, 08:03 AM
My alarm clock doesn't light up... So it's when it is getting to be around dawn that I start to freak out.. and if I don't look at the time, I can't seem to get back to sleep.. I have to know. It's crappy. Going on two hours of sleep with bratty kids whoo.
With the ex there was no worry, we each had an alarm, so we always made it to work. Though I would fly out of bed, and he'd hit snooze till the sound of the alarm was making me grate my teeth..
I hope the play is good too. TY Winnie. I hate beer.. Think it really does taste the way I imagine horse pee too. lol.
May 24th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Sleep issues seem to be so common these days (I have probs getting there too but I am a night person!). Have you tried melatonin? I take it when I have to fly somewhere and the time zones and jet lag just whack me out. It works well for me. (Gawd, I hate to give anecdotal advice and here I am doing it). It is now available OTC in Canada.
You could ask your doctor for a short acting sleep aid - but only take it when you need it and for a short period of time. Most can be addicting which is why doctors are hesitant to prescribe them or should be! Zipiclone is a good one - I am not sold on Ambien, it is too trendy - and does not work any better than immovane or even older meds.
Some ppl take gravol or benadryl to help them sleep but they make one very drowsy in the am which is NOT a good side effect.
Good luck - maybe your doc could refer you to a sleep specialist or clinic?
May 24th, 2006, 01:20 PM
Usually I can sleep pretty good but every once in a while I get pretty bad insomnia - and keep looking at at the clock - then I stress out about everything
like what if I dont get a job, what if we lose our house, what if I have a horrible disease, what if someone steals my identity, then I just pray for it to be morning so I can actually get up. :eek:
I dont funtion well at all with little sleep - I need at least 8 hours a night.
May 24th, 2006, 02:05 PM
I have sleep problems to and my doctor said to try drinking sleepy tea before bed, or warm milk and those sorts things before she perscribes medication.
Works OK for me so far, my sleeping issues are on and off though.
May 24th, 2006, 04:05 PM
I also wanted to add alcohol actual makes for a bad sleep - it is not recommended.
May 24th, 2006, 07:13 PM
I've learned alcohol makes me sleep far far worse. I wouldn't try it to sleep..
I did buy a bottle of melatonin, some one at the ski centre suggested it, I got off taking it cause I was keeping weirder and weirder hours. I should try again.
I had lorazapam prescribed for short term sleep help, but it was 'cracking me out'. Drove to work like a zombie, still exhausted the next day, ay after the sleep would be excellent and I'd feel awesome when I got up. I gave up on going back to whine about it.. I have tried chamomille tea before bed with little effect too.
I'm with you Joey.. I overthink everything day or night.. so it really doesn't help me get to sleep either..
May 24th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Alcohol tends to put you to sleep, but then once you're sleeping, it makes your sleep crappy and prevents you from entering rem, and it also disrupts slow-wave sleep, so you can't restore yourself.
You were prescribed ativan just because you have pretty minor sleep problems? :eek: I wouldn't go back on it if I were you. I was put on it a few years ago when I was hospitalized for a couple of weeks, and I got hooked. It's reeaaaaaallly easy to get hooked on it, and quitting it is reeaaaaallllly hard to do.
I wouldn't take it again unless I had severe insomnia (and even then I would try to get something else), anxiety associated with severe depression or panic attacks.
May 24th, 2006, 07:36 PM
When I have a restless night, I'll get up and move to the guest room or to the couch. Just changing to a different bed seems to break the sleeplessness and I go right to sleep. Hubby has learned not to take it personally. And, really, sometimes he's restless and keeping me awake, but not always. If I look at the clock and it's less than an hour to go, I just get up early and say heck with it. I play the body part game when I'm brushing my dogs. Only it sounds like, "Den-Den has such a beeeoootifulll tail-tail! Yes he does! He's sooooooo beeeeoootifull! Let me clean your eye-eyes! Oh! What pretty-pretty eye-eyes!" And hubby is in the background saying "Oh yeahh! What pretty eye-eyes! Oh yeah!" Den-Den just eats it up. I swear! Sometimes his tail won't be real up and we'll say his tail-tail is so pretty and you can just see him lift it up proudly.
May 24th, 2006, 07:46 PM
I agree with Puppyluv - ativan is a benzodiazepine - not a good choice as a sleep aid, can't imagine why you were prescribed it for that!! (Tho it can make you sleepy but that is not what it is indicated for, it is usually prescibed for anxiety). I once tried diazepam for sleeping - it just made me depressed. These meds tend to be mood modifiers. That was it for me with that!
Mealatonin might be a good try but really, the best thing is to find out WHY you are not sleeping and then work on that. (Because meds in the end should only be taken for a short period of time).
May 24th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Honestly, I worry too much. My mind never shuts down enough to sleep. I do have anxiety, but have never brought it up with my current doctor that handed out the lorazapam. It doesn't control my life,.. It was some of the guys in my life that were really freakign me out. I find too many things I just have to do right this minute at like 3am. And I think my matress is a **** and could use a new one.
But I had been hoping the melatonin could help me switch back my sleep to something more normal.
Best sleep I've had in months was the 2 weeks I had to take nyquil for a horrible cough I had...
How sad is that?
May 24th, 2006, 08:29 PM
I take an aspirin before bed many nights of the week, to keep my nostrils clear here on the dry as dust prairie . . . . I get stuffed up and can't sleep. It conks you out nicely after a while. Also, I haven't had a cold for a year and a half.
A benedryl is more powerful but quite the knock-out . . . .
Think happy thoughts. Get a Napolean complex or something. Shoo the demons away.
May 24th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Nyquil!! That always helps me!! As far as alcohol, well It helps me sleep just fine!! Dont know about REM but I dont drink much, however when i do:eek: I make it worth the hangover :D Thats just me!!
I feel for you with the insomnia, myself too havent slept in MONTHS not a sleep worth telling anyone about :mad: Oh well! Too much on the brain!
Wish you the best of luck with getting some shut eye, I have resorted to other things lately ( not willing to discuss) helps to fall asleep but not for long, end up hungry and get up to eat:o OH WELL! worth a shot!LOL
May 24th, 2006, 11:14 PM
I gets bouts of insomnia (especially during exam time :eek: ).
The only thing that has helped me was yogic breathing (pranayana). I know it sounds artsy-fartsy, but it really does help. You can get a pranayana book, some of the breathing exercises are made for helping to fall asleep. I find concentrating on my breathing keeps my mind from going a zillion miles an hour, and I can relax and fall asleep...usually.....
May 25th, 2006, 05:53 AM
What about relaxation exercises if it is anxiety? (Since meds might help in the short term but would not help to solve what is causing the anxiety). Or exercise during the day, a glass of milk (all that triptophan), and if all that does not work, I would ask your GP to send you to a specialist.
And yep, benedryl, which contains the same ingredients as the OTC sleep aids, does pack a powerful punch. It is very sedating but the trouble is it continues into the next day - same is true for gravol. And with some ppl, it has the opposite effect, especially if one does not immediately go to bed after taking it.
May 25th, 2006, 01:47 PM
I know something that works wonders, lets you get a good sleep, no hangover or drowsy morning but its technically illegal........ also makes you really hungry...... but it works... :rolleyes:
May 25th, 2006, 09:01 PM
I wouldn't take anything to sleep. Anything you take, whether it's Ativan or beer becomes addictive because you forget how to fall asleep without it.
If you do take ativan, only take a half. It's rare that people need a full one.;) I was prescribed it too for sleeping when my thyroid was so bad I was sleeping 1 hour a night.:o
I also find that shutting off the tv a few hours before bed helps- the tv is really stimulating, IMO.
May 25th, 2006, 09:21 PM
I think a lot of this depends on your age also. I am "over 50" and for the past 3-5 years haven't slept one good night. Some nights it's 2:00 and I am still staring at the ceiling, have to get up at 5:30. Other nights I can fall asleep at 10:00 but wake up at 2:00 am....stay awake until 5:30. Of course, Harley stays sleeping beside me and moans if I turn over!!!!!
I do take HRT and also oxazapem occasionally....damn hot flashes get you every time :rolleyes:
May 25th, 2006, 09:25 PM
Think I need a 'routine' (just like the dog, lol) and a new freaking matress..
Not entirely sure without doing somethign about the matress if anyone's helpful suggestions might do much for me, but I do appreciate all of them
I never though of breathing for relaxation. I read before bed often to try to sleep.. Last night I was so tired I slept 12 hours though, so at least I'm not a mess today.. since it was all of 2 hours the night before.
Sheesh, 23 and broken, lol.
May 25th, 2006, 09:30 PM
Don't worry, I was 20 and very broken, and I'm almost better now! ;) There's hope yet.
May 27th, 2006, 11:14 AM
I am an insomniac. Have been to sleep disorder clinic. I expect I am missing some chemical to the brain. Alcohols is certainly not a fix. My husband's brother tried that and of course once effects wore off he work up in middle of night. Prescription sleep aids do not work for me. In desperation tried Star Noc (may have name wrong) - I was up for 5 days - turned in all pills save the one I had taken to my doctor. I am extremely sensitive to anything OTC that causes drowsiness - anti-histamine, gravol etc. - too bad as I have severe allergies - but they all just make my heart race. A local before a medical procedure that should be good for an hour lasts 5 minutes - and I woke up in the operating room just as a procedure was finished - way too soon. Products from health food stores - melatonin, valerian etc. don't work -nor do chamomille etc. - of course the ragweed problem. I absolutely NEVER look at the clock - that is a big no-no. I wear ear plugs, I do absolutely everything I am supposed to - including avoiding all potentially keeping one up foods - did same at age 25 and am still doing so at 56 with absolutely no improvement. We just got back from NY last night - I probably slept maybe 3 hours a night so puts a damper on sleep. Husband can fall asleep standing up - drives me nuts. Hope you find something that works for you - you are not alone - small comfort I know.
May 27th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Slow Dancer, sorry to hear about your situation! What did they say at the sleep clinic - I am assuming they did the long term test.
I never sleep well either - even with sleep aids which I rarely take given the side effects (drowsy AM's and all that). I have decided I am just a night person - biorhythms and all that and I try to adjust, lol (Alas, the rest of the world does not). I have a psychologist friend who starts his appts only at 2 PM so he sleeps in during the morning. My schedule does not allow that but it is sorely tempting, lol (He does not teach young eager Residents nor does he do morning rounds). Maybe I should have been a psychologist, heheh
I sometimes just read or try to get something useful done when I can't sleep but I have been like that my entire life so I really do not anticipate change. I do wish you luck though - I tried valerian too, that stuff is unregulated so you never know what you are getting unless you call the company and ask. So I tend to on occasion try something like imovane which works to some extent - and melatonin works for jet lag for me but if I take it to sleep, it assures I wake up early, even if went to bed late. It does seem to work for many others I know however.
May 27th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Snow Dancer, that sounds so tough! I hope you find something one day that helps you out.:fingerscr
May 28th, 2006, 12:06 PM
Newsweek Magazine had a pretty extensive cover story last week on "Why Women Can't Sleep."
If you go to your local library, they might have the copy.
May 28th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Thank you Rick. Cool.