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Photos of my Dogo Argentino's

ToroDogo
May 15th, 2006, 08:27 PM
First, my 4 months old boy Rocky
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may14-06-027.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may14-06-079.jpg

ToroDogo
May 15th, 2006, 08:28 PM
My baby girl Ding Dang, she is 7 months old

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-27-06004.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-21-06044.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-21-06066.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-21-06059.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-21-06030.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-21-06043.jpg

ToroDogo
May 15th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Ding Dang and Rocky

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may14-06-103.jpg

my big girl Supersition,she is pregant.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may14-06-020.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may14-06-035.jpg

ToroDogo
May 15th, 2006, 08:32 PM
We would like to meet with other Dogos and owners, we are in Toronto.

Dog Dancer
May 16th, 2006, 01:39 PM
What great looking dogs. I just love all these powerful beautiful beasties. Sorry I don't know anyone with a Dogo, but good luck finding someone. Yours are beauties - post as many pics as you can everyone loves to see them.:)

Mrs Bungle
May 16th, 2006, 01:54 PM
hiya!

We have Uruguayan Cimarrons (well my parents, but i can pretend cant i??) !! hehe

Those dogs are nice and super powerful!!

Are they always white??

Rottielover
May 16th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Do you compete your dogs and have health certificates. OFA or OVC have you tested for heart and eyes??? or are these oops breedings ?

chico2
May 16th, 2006, 03:45 PM
They are beautiful powerful looking dogs for sure,I hope you are very careful selling your pups,these kind of dogs could easily end up in the wrong hands,especially with the pit-bull ban here in Ontario,bad guys would look for an alternative breed,like your Dogo's.
But I am sure you know all that if you are a breeder..

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 09:32 PM
What great looking dogs. I just love all these powerful beautiful beasties. Sorry I don't know anyone with a Dogo, but good luck finding someone. Yours are beauties - post as many pics as you can everyone loves to see them.:)

Thank you, I will.

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 09:34 PM
hiya!

We have Uruguayan Cimarrons (well my parents, but i can pretend cant i??) !! hehe

Those dogs are nice and super powerful!!

Are they always white??

Uruguayan Cimarrons are very rare, would love to see one.

Yes, Dogo Argentinos are always white.

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Do you compete your dogs and have health certificates. OFA or OVC have you tested for heart and eyes??? or are these oops breedings ?


Dogo Argentino is the only breed I have at this moment (I used to have Neos and Tibetan Mastiffs)
Show titles are not what I am interested in. All my dogos have tested (wild boar test / health test). The most important thing to me is their working ability.
and
These are NOT oops breedings. they were carefully planned.

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 09:52 PM
They are beautiful powerful looking dogs for sure,I hope you are very careful selling your pups,these kind of dogs could easily end up in the wrong hands,especially with the pit-bull ban here in Ontario,bad guys would look for an alternative breed,like your Dogo's.
But I am sure you know all that if you are a breeder..

Thank you for your comment and advice.
I am not a breeder, I adopted that pregant female from a friend of mine, he is a breeder in Argentina, but he is closing his kennel for a very personal reason.

Yes, I will be very careful finding these pups new homes, or I rather keep all of them.:pawprint:

Prin
May 16th, 2006, 10:36 PM
They're very pretty doggies. So muscular! They don't fall under the BSL in Ontario? (Sorry, I'm from Qc, so I'm not sure how broad the ban is).

erykah1310
May 16th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Toro, i was just wondering how much one of these dogs weigh by breed standard? They are beautiful!!! Absolutley beautiful. And also what is and how do they do a "boar test"?
What exactly are they bred for? I dont know of many people who hunt boar.

Sorry for all the questions, I just love learning about new breeds! Gonna go research them now :D

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 11:02 PM
They're very pretty doggies. So muscular! They don't fall under the BSL in Ontario? (Sorry, I'm from Qc, so I'm not sure how broad the ban is).

The stupid BSL in Ontario is just bullsh**t! I donot give a damn
:sorry:

Prin
May 16th, 2006, 11:04 PM
But are they included??

erykah1310
May 16th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Not yet Prin, they could perhaps fall under "pitbull type" but only once there are too many of them around! You know how its gonna be, anything larger than 30lbs will prolly be considered a pitbull type!:mad:

Prin
May 16th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Ok.. I was wondering. Ignorant people on the street could mistake them (seems like that's all they do). Too bad.

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Toro, i was just wondering how much one of these dogs weigh by breed standard? They are beautiful!!! Absolutley beautiful. And also what is and how do they do a "boar test"?
What exactly are they bred for? I dont know of many people who hunt boar.

Sorry for all the questions, I just love learning about new breeds! Gonna go research them now :D

To answer your first question:
There is an original breed standard and a FCI standard (official standard), in USA, they have a DACA (Dogo Argentino Club of America) Breed Standard, so it's easily get confused. In general, a Dogo weight from 80 to 100lbs, and height from 23.5 27.5 inches. Personally, I like the original standard. I like big Dogos, I used to have one weight 120 pounds, it was amazing! but more than 120 pounds is just too big for a Dogo.

Boar test, or we call it "temperament test". The tests are not only held as a breeding selection but also as a preparation for the dangerous hunt.They want to find out quite soon what his courage and hardness are to prevent that they are going to hunt with a Dogo that is not suitable for this event and can bring the owner in a dangerous position.One cannot see the test as a bloody event; when the Dogo attacked and has ahold on the prey then they are seperated at once,to prevent damage.A wild boar however is not easily wounded because of his thick skin and though coat.

In common the people who are participating in these tests are concerned about there Dogos,because it is also for the Dogo a very dangerous test. Nowadays the tests are seldom held because of the Animal Care Organisations on one side and the Showlobbies on the other side, because it would be a big failure as the Champion did not succeed such a test!

What exactly are they bred for?

The Dogo Argentino is bred in his native Argentina to hunt big game, primarily, boar and mountain lion. He hunts great distances over rugged terrain and engages the game until the hunter kills it. He is one breed developed from ten. The many attributes from the parent breeds are a masterful blend resulting in a large, powerful dog with great endurance.

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 11:37 PM
they could perhaps fall under "pitbull type" but only once there are too many of them around!

I have to agree with you. Since we cannot change people's mind, we just have to control the number of our dogs. Dogo Argentino is a rare breed, keep it rare :sad:

You know how its gonna be, anything larger than 30lbs will prolly be considered a pitbull type!:mad:

my friend has a shepherd/boxer mix, when he was walking his dog one day, an old man approached him and asked:" is it a *** **** Pit Bull?!!, you should put it down!" come on people, read some books, have some common sense before open your mouth.:mad:

ToroDogo
May 16th, 2006, 11:48 PM
Ok.. I was wondering. Ignorant people on the street could mistake them (seems like that's all they do). Too bad.

Every time someone asks me if my dog is a Pit bull, I feel really :mad: (what's wrong with being a pitbull???)
we he/she asked in a good manner, like, just curious, I told them:"No, it's not, this is a Dogo Argentino". but when someone asked me in a rude manner,like:" is this a pitbull?! you should xxxx it!" I simply tell them:" shut up and mind your own ****** business!! "

Puppyluv
May 17th, 2006, 12:09 AM
What beautiful dogs! Is it possible to get a Dogo without cropped ears? (I get why it's done for show and hunt purposes, but is it done to all dogos no matter what?) I've seen picd of pups with their ears intact, but never adults, just wanted to know if there are any.

erykah1310
May 17th, 2006, 03:28 AM
Thanks Toro, great responses. Once again they are gorgeous dogs!!!!:thumbs up

chico2
May 17th, 2006, 06:55 AM
Yes thank's for all the info,I am sure everyone here would love to have a follow-up and tons of pics of the pups:thumbs up

ToroDogo
May 17th, 2006, 07:26 AM
What beautiful dogs! Is it possible to get a Dogo without cropped ears? (I get why it's done for show and hunt purposes, but is it done to all dogos no matter what?) I've seen picd of pups with their ears intact, but never adults, just wanted to know if there are any.

Thank you!
Yes, it's possible to get a Dogo without cropped ears:) it's the owner's choice.

here are some pictures of Dogo without cropped ears, if you go to Google, and simply type in Dogo, then click image, you will see lots of pics.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/dogo_argentino.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/dually_215a.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/marina_liza_and_vasya_shadow.jpg

even these:crazy:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/img13826-1dogo.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/img13840-1dogo.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/img14024dogo.jpg

jawert1
May 17th, 2006, 08:40 AM
They are absolutely beautiful dogs Toro, thank you so much for being an educator for the breed as well. I've never seen one before and like erykah, I'm hitting google for more info :)

ToroDogo
May 17th, 2006, 09:30 AM
They are absolutely beautiful dogs Toro, thank you so much for being an educator for the breed as well. I've never seen one before and like erykah, I'm hitting google for more info :)

You are welcome:)
It's good to let more people know about this breed, and know as much as they can, so that they can have a CORRECT/FAIR view of this breed. Lots of people confuse them with Pit Bull, and some of them think they are ferocious just because they (Dogo) have that kind of look. I was told by a man in a dog park once:" get your scary looking dog out of here!". I was like, man, this is the sweetest dog you ever meet, please donot judge something you donot know.:pawprint:

Prin
May 17th, 2006, 12:46 PM
They really are great looking doggies though.:)

Misty'sMom
May 19th, 2006, 09:21 PM
The dogs are gorgous. Like most others here, I never heard of the breed before and now I'm much more informed. Thanks so much. Great looking dogs, lets see the pups....!:king:

mummummum
May 19th, 2006, 10:51 PM
Wow - what do Dogo's do for exercise? They certainly don't look like couch potatoes!

phoenix
May 20th, 2006, 08:06 AM
What do they do for exercise?

They are used to kill other animals (boar, etc). :mad: What exactly did you guys think wild boar testing was?????

jesse's mommy
May 20th, 2006, 08:51 AM
Boar test, or we call it "temperament test"......



...Nowadays the tests are seldom held because of the Animal Care Organisations on one side and the Showlobbies on the other side, because it would be a big failure as the Champion did not succeed such a test!


If you read this more carefully you would see that the wild boar test isn't really used these days so killing animals isn't a fair or true explanation to their exercise methods.

Though I am sure that in some other countries that use hunting as their main source of food, it wouldn't be uncommon to still use these dogs as hunting dogs -- as other breeds are also used. As for exercise in our countries, I'm sure they would need a lot, just like other large breeds and muscular breeds would need. Probably lots of running, jumping, walking, fetch and whatever else we could think of, but I HIGHLY doubt they source of exercise is killing other animals.

phoenix
May 20th, 2006, 11:52 AM
Jesse's mommy, i rarely read things 'not carefully'. In fact, I googled this type of dog and the boar test the first time i read this post. here is what i found, from http://vangils.dogoargentino.dk/ENGLISCH/CHARACTE.HTM, incidentally, the same website from which the OP cut and paste his description of the dog in one of their posts. Also, the OP has stated that they are most concerned with the dog WORKING.

"In the test for experienced Dogos they let them fight as long as the wild boar is defending himself with all his strenght. To seperate the two animals they lift them up by the hindlegs. When the boar is too big the use a rope (lasso) around his neck and then do the same.More often and more a reflection of his main interest is the test with the wild boar which is still actual in several places in the world , but most of all in his land of origin. (But less as it used to be).
The testarena is oval, round or square(with no edges) and with fences of 1.2 mtrs high.In this arena there are only two persons; the judge and the owner of the dog. Originally the let a young Dogo in first, at the age of 9-10 month to look for his natural reaction against his old enemy the wild boar. Is the young Dogo not attacking the boar they pull him out and let him look when experienced Dogos attack the boar immediately. Is the Youg Dogo still showing no agression they put him in the arena with an experienced Dogo.
On the hunting itself, they normally use two or four Dogos at the same time, and often suffer severe lossescaused by 200kg. heavy wild boars. When they don't smell people they are tremendous fighters. Also the Pecari is feared because of his sharp teeth ."

So, if YOU read more carefully, you will see that this person has tested/agrees with testing using these methods, but is disappointed that the test is becoming harder to do with organizations that are against animal cruelty on their backs. I don't condone the use of animals for killing other animals. You should google this dog type and what it's work is considered to be. To me, it is not acceptable either for the wild animals or the dogs themselves.

jesse's mommy
May 20th, 2006, 01:11 PM
I highly doubt the boar test was done here. The OP also said they live in Toronto and adopted the dogs from a breeder/friend in Argentina. Don't you think the breeder in Argentina did the tests there before the OP adopted them? By the way, the website you refer to above is based in Denmark.

So as I said before, the exercise for these dogs would probably be a lot of running and playing like most big muscular dogs do, not killing animals, but in areas where hunting is still the primary source of food or a big part of the the culture, then yes they probably kill animals on a regular basis. In these countries it would not matter if they were this breed of dog or another large muscular breed of dog. But that is part of their culture and society. But in the culture and society we live in, it's not something that is supported and would probably be eliminated immediately by activists. Other temperament tests would be implemented instead -- the kind of tests that rescues and humane societies do to assess dogs before they are adopted out. So back to the original question how do you think they are exercised? We should probably keep to the question at hand for future readers of the forum.

phoenix
May 20th, 2006, 02:09 PM
ya, i think they were probably tested elsewhere.

ok, here's texas: http://www.huntingdogos.com/- these hunts are occuring in the US too...

http://www.dogo.org/history_of_the_dogo.asp this site says that Canadian members take down moose, instead...I don't think we have wild pigs here.

Anyway, my point is that, although many dogs were originally bred for this purpose, I don't agree with them being used for 'pleasure sport' hunting today. The purpose of the boar test is to test for 'courage'... ie. aggressiveness towards another animal. And they are being used for that, that is what is meant by a "working" dog of this breed. Just as a "working" retriever is used in hunting by bringing ducks back to its owner. But in these cases, the dogs are pitted against the boar and actually do the killing. IMO, cruel.

But just to be sure, if the OP comes back: Torodogo, do you use your dogs to kill other animals? Did they test on real animals?

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 05:20 PM
ya, i think they were probably tested elsewhere.

ok, here's texas: http://www.huntingdogos.com/- these hunts are occuring in the US too...

http://www.dogo.org/history_of_the_dogo.asp this site says that Canadian members take down moose, instead...I don't think we have wild pigs here.

Anyway, my point is that, although many dogs were originally bred for this purpose, I don't agree with them being used for 'pleasure sport' hunting today. The purpose of the boar test is to test for 'courage'... ie. aggressiveness towards another animal. And they are being used for that, that is what is meant by a "working" dog of this breed. Just as a "working" retriever is used in hunting by bringing ducks back to its owner. But in these cases, the dogs are pitted against the boar and actually do the killing. IMO, cruel.

But just to be sure, if the OP comes back: Torodogo, do you use your dogs to kill other animals? Did they test on real animals?

I'm back
To answer your questions.
Do you use your dogs to kill other animals?
I am live in the city of Toronto, what kind of animals do you think I can use my dogs to kill??? if I want to have meat, supermarkets have meat. If I really want to kill animals, all I need is to have a hunting license and buy a gun (which I am not interested), I do not need my dogs to kill animals. So, the answer is: NO! go out to have a drink or something, cool yourself down, and relax! I am not a animal killer, my dogs are NOT,neither. I am a rescuer, I rescue dogs and cats... and I do not judge people/dog if I know nothing about him/her/it.

Did they test on real animals?
All the tests were done in Argentina. I think you should ask them or write a letter to the government of Argentina and complain about it.

jawert1
May 20th, 2006, 05:20 PM
But in these cases, the dogs are pitted against the boar and actually do the killing. IMO, cruel.

But just to be sure, if the OP comes back: Torodogo, do you use your dogs to kill other animals? Did they test on real animals?

Actually Phoenix, Torodogo already said the following:

when the Dogo attacked and has ahold on the prey then they are seperated at once,to prevent damage.

never once has Toro claimed these dogs do the killing in these tests OR that his/her (sorry not sure of gender) dogs do this, given they're here on this board educating about the breed, I suspect not. Perhaps in years past they have and frankly, any dog can be trained to bring a prey animal down, read up on the history of Bull Mastiffs, not pretty either.

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Wow - what do Dogo's do for exercise? They certainly don't look like couch potatoes!

Since we do not hunt here in Canada, we need give them something else to do, to keep them athletic.

I take my dogs for a one-hour jogging every morning, in the afternoon, I take them to the park, let them play with each other and run, it usually take two hours.

I want to train the little one to be a therapy dog, because its temperament is unbelievablly stable, but I need a good trainer.

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 05:48 PM
This is the cat I adopted from a oversea student, he went back to his country and did not want to take the cat with him...
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/mao1-003.gif

This is the cat I adopted from Toronto Animal Service Centre
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/dec04069.jpg

This is what is like when my cat and dog together, look how DANGEROUS the dog is;)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/nov22028.jpg

badger
May 20th, 2006, 05:57 PM
What lovely animals. You must have your hands full!! And the food bills, yikes.

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 06:05 PM
What lovely animals. You must have your hands full!! And the food bills, yikes.

Thank you,
I spent most of my free time with my cats and dogs, and the food bills, vet bills... yes, YIKES!:crazy: :pawprint: :pawprint:

phoenix
May 20th, 2006, 08:42 PM
I do not need my dogs to kill animals. So, the answer is: NO! go out to have a drink or something, cool yourself down, and relax! I am not a animal killer, my dogs are NOT,neither. I am a rescuer, I rescue dogs and cats... and I do not judge people/dog if I know nothing about him/her/it.

Thanks for answering my questions. Drink in hand, I'm happy you don't condone the killing of animals. But if you presume I know nothing about this, you are judging me. I am not attacking you (it is hard to tell through type, I know). But could you clarify for me, what exactly does a 'working' Dogo Argentino do if not participate in hunts? Some posters seem to think that this hunting for fun (not for food) doesn't exist in today's world, even here in N. Am. I was upset that in your posts, you appeared to be in favour of wild boar tests and hunts which, no matter where they happen, are no sport for the boar, if you know what I mean. You were saying that you don't show, so to prove your dogs you 'work'. What kind of work do they do?

But hey, if you're against boar testing and using dogs for the hunt, we're on the same side. Cheers.

Sneaky
May 20th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Wow,
they are really really gorgeous.
I have never seen one here, but have seen them
on the television.
Gorgeous.
Being a fan of all the larger mastiff type and bull breeds,
I myself am a big fan of the Dogos.
You have provided excellent information as well!
I could easily understand why you would get angry with
all the BSL legislation and people thinking your dogos are
pitbulls .
People can really be ignorant.
Congratulations on maintaining and working to maintain and
keep this rare breed rare. Way to go.

chico2
May 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM
ToroDogo,beautiful cat-pics!
I too was a little taken aback when you said Dogo's aggression is tested on wild boars,thank's for explaining your position and that of your dogs.
I've heard of Pit-Bulls being used to hunt wild boars and often wounded or killed in the US and here,just the thought of anything that horrid makes me sick,but there are a lot of sick people out there.:mad:
Your dogs are truly beautiful and thank's for taking in homeless kitties.

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 10:49 PM
I came here to show pictures of dogs, didnot realize that "wild boar" would be a big issue here.
I was introduced to Dogo Argentino by my Argentine friend about 5 years ago, he was a breeder, also a hunter, very knowledgable.
When we talked about Dogos, he used to tell me stories of hunting with Dogos, to him, a good Dogo should not only pass all the health tests, but also the temperament test, because they're hunting dogs, they have to be tested in hunting, it's what a true Dogo about.
Well, it's just him. it's his life style, his philosophy, his experience, I am not him, just learn from him.
When he closed his kennel, I adopted some of his dogs. Since they are my dogs now, they do not hunt anymore, they are experiencing a new/different life style. I socialize them hard, and make them family pets, companion dogs, and home guardian. I am not trying to change anything of this breed, I just try to be realistic. This is Canada, city of Toronto, where can I take them to hunt? so hunting is not realistic here, they are working breed, I just have to find something other than hunting for them to do, keep them busy. And, they have to be "social", aggressive dogs are not too welcome here, I donot want them end that way.

I grew up with Tibetan Mastiffs, trained German Shepherds when I was in the military, dogs are part of my life, they are my family members, my friends, my children.:pawprint:

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 10:55 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/dec04074.jpg

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 10:58 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/dec13024.jpg

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 11:00 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april-15-06051.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Ding%20Dang/april0206011.jpg

ToroDogo
May 20th, 2006, 11:02 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/Super/may17-06-140xx.jpg

Prin
May 21st, 2006, 12:11 AM
Very adorable pics.:)

chico2
May 21st, 2006, 07:46 AM
I came here to show pictures of dogs, did not realize that "wild boar" would be a big issue here(ToroDogo)

Please do not take my comments the wrong way,the critic was not aimed at you,or your dogs.
I am totally ignorant of the breed but your pictures speak for themselves and you very obviously love them and know what you are talking about.
I can imagine the stares you would get walking with all of these beautiful dogs:Dor do you take them out of the city??
I am sure we all love to see pup-pics,so please stick around.
Do you have specific people who are in line to buy the puppies?

poodletalk
May 21st, 2006, 08:07 AM
Last summer, a guy a dogpark had a toro dogo, the new people at the park always got nervous when they saw him coming. He was so big compare to the little ****zu and poodles at the park. But very quickly the people realized he was very gentle but clumsy. My husky and him got along great, every once in awhile my dog would let out a "yelp" when the toro dogo big clumsy paw would hit her abit too hard or he played too rough.

Besides that, they were great buddies at the park and they loved to chase each other! The poodle owners always had a sigh of relief that it wasn't their little dog being chased by my husky or the toro dogo.

cpietra16
May 21st, 2006, 08:27 AM
Just out of curiosity....and this is for anyone with white dogs....do you have to put sun screen allover them in the summer?

Torodogo....your dogs are amazing and beautiful creatures....do you put on sunscreen..they look like they can burn easily.

ToroDogo
May 21st, 2006, 09:38 AM
I came here to show pictures of dogs, did not realize that "wild boar" would be a big issue here(ToroDogo)

Please do not take my comments the wrong way,the critic was not aimed at you,or your dogs.
I understand, thank you for telling me this.


I can imagine the stares you would get walking with all of these beautiful dogs:Dor do you take them out of the city??
I am sure we all love to see pup-pics,so please stick around.
Do you have specific people who are in line to buy the puppies?
Not just stares, also questions, friendly and unfriendly. So I them out of the city mostly. My car is too small for my dogs, so I have to buy a van.

haven't slept for two nights, have to watch the female, it's her first litter, just wish everything will be OK. think about "specific people" later.

ToroDogo
May 21st, 2006, 09:50 AM
Just out of curiosity....and this is for anyone with white dogs....do you have to put sun screen allover them in the summer?

Torodogo....your dogs are amazing and beautiful creatures....do you put on sunscreen..they look like they can burn easily.

Thank you, cpietra16, you are very creative:thumbs up but no, I donot put sunscreen on them, they wouldnot like it.:D
To avoid sun burn, try not let them stay in the sun for too long.

Not just sun burn problem, Dogos donot take cold weather too well, you have to take them inside of the house in the Winter (mine sleep in the house all the seasons), if you donot want your dog sleep in the house (some people do), you need buy a heater for them. Try not let them play too long in the snow, they love snow, but if they stay in the snow for too long, will have frostbite on their:pawprint: :pawprint: :pawprint: :pawprint:

chico2
May 21st, 2006, 10:52 AM
:D :D Here we go again:D with "specific"people I mean people who know the breed and appreciate it,not just your average Joe looking for a pup...(better add,there's nothing wrong with average Joe:D )
The problem with the Internet is that words so easily can be taken the wrong way.

ToroDogo
May 21st, 2006, 11:20 AM
:D :D Here we go again:D with "specific"people I mean people who know the breed and appreciate it,not just your average Joe looking for a pup...(better add,there's nothing wrong with average Joe:D )
The problem with the Internet is that words so easily can be taken the wrong way.

There are several people have showed their interest, but I haven't yet met with all of them, after all the puppies were born safely, I will contact them, meet with them, then have a "specific people:D "list, (pecific people = people who know the breed and appreciate it:thumbs up , I did not take the wrong way:D )

Dogos are not for avaerage Joe, they are just too much a dog.:D

glasslass
May 21st, 2006, 11:31 AM
Your dogs and your photos are gorgeous! I'm one of those poodle owners, but just can't resist the pix with the kitties. They look so gentle!

Joey.E.CockersMommy
May 22nd, 2006, 07:25 PM
Very beautiful Dogu Doggies - thank you so much for sharing. :D

ToroDogo
May 27th, 2006, 08:26 PM
I took some photos of my two babies today, just want to share with you.:pawprint:


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-242.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-249.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-271.jpg

ToroDogo
May 27th, 2006, 08:26 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-287.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-306.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-325.jpg

ToroDogo
May 27th, 2006, 08:27 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-333.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-339.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-363.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-382.jpg

ToroDogo
May 27th, 2006, 08:28 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-401.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-413.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-431.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/gaophotos/may24-06-572.jpg

jesse's mommy
May 27th, 2006, 08:33 PM
They are absolutely gorgeous. I love looking at them.

ToroDogo
May 27th, 2006, 08:47 PM
They are absolutely gorgeous. I love looking at them.


Thank you!:angel:

Prin
May 28th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Me too. They're very pretty doggies.:) (And great pics too)

chico2
May 28th, 2006, 06:32 AM
Thank's for the Sunday morning treat:thumbs up

Frenchy
May 28th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Wow,they are beautiful dogs.I love the picture where he's lying on his side and you can see his tongue sticking out,looks like a puppy.A BIG puppy!!

ToroDogo
May 28th, 2006, 10:48 AM
Thank you!Prin, chico2 and Frenchy

Frenchy: it's a 4 months old pup:)

ToroDogo
May 28th, 2006, 02:07 PM
photos deleted, too SENSTIVE.

Frenchy
May 28th, 2006, 02:44 PM
12 puppies :eek: Mommy is going to be busy......wait until they can all walk,woohooo,would give anything to go to your house and see that!

chico2
May 28th, 2006, 03:45 PM
Wow,12 puppies!! Poor mom..they look adorable though.
Finding good homes for 12 pups,is not going to be easy..Sensitive question,I know,but are you a breeder??

ToroDogo
May 28th, 2006, 04:01 PM
Wow,12 puppies!! Poor mom..they look adorable though.
Finding good homes for 12 pups,is not going to be easy..Sensitive question,I know,but are you a breeder??

It's not that SENSITIVE to me:)
I'm NOT a breeder, I'm a hobbyist, just love to have lots of dogs in the house.
I'm a TV/Film producer, and my wife is a TV/Film editor, no time for dog breeding.

oh, donot you worry, the mom is in very good care.

PS: just in case this will be another issue here, please let's not talk about breeding, sorry for mentioning these 12 babies.

chico2
May 28th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Thank you,that answered my question:D
It is a sensitive subject here,since sooo many people breed(BYB)for all the wrong reasons,with pups ending up in pet-shops or worse.
Your beautiful dogs,I am sure would not end up in any pet-shop.
We(I)would really appreciate if you would continue showing us pics,love to see them:love:

doggy lover
May 28th, 2006, 05:54 PM
You have two beautiful dogs, I don't know much about them but they are lovely.

jesse's mommy
May 28th, 2006, 06:37 PM
PS: just in case this will be another issue here, please let's not talk about breeding, sorry for mentioning these 12 babies.

Everyone FYI, this was discussed earlier in the thread, they were adopted from a friend who is a breeder in Argentina and they are closing their kennels. :D

Alex_Galea
May 28th, 2006, 07:07 PM
Those are nice photos, very nice looking dogs as well. The only thng i do not like the the watermark in the corners. Personally i think it detracts from the photo. In my oppinion it should be smaller and less noticable. Unless you are trying to stop people from taking the images. But those are very nice photos :),

Alex

meb999
May 28th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Man! Your pooches look EXACTLY like the neighborhood dog that's at the root of my fear of white dogs. :eek: When I was a kid a neighbor had a white dog who looked just like that (although I doubt he was a DogoArgentinio, since they are rare -- I'm thinking he must of been some type of pittie-mastiff mix) who terrified all the neighborhood children. In his defense, he was tied outside all day long...probably hit more than once...and probably not well fed...
I must admit, seeing your dogs, so cute and playfull may help me get over my fears ;) They sure are handsome. What's their temperament like?

jawert1
May 29th, 2006, 07:03 AM
Yesterday I was up in Annapolis MD at the marine supply store and a lady walked in with one of these lovelies, I asked if her girl was indeed a Dogo Argentino and she almost fell over that I even knew the breed :) Thanks for the education, it was so cool to actually be able to recognize such a rare pup :)

:pawprint:

meb999
May 29th, 2006, 10:32 AM
PS: just in case this will be another issue here, please let's not talk about breeding, sorry for mentioning these 12 babies.

oh! No! I missed the puppy pics. Please post some of the puppies....since alot of people on this board (myself included) have adopted our pets, we didn't get to see them as pups. We need puppy pics to get our fix ;)

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 03:39 PM
You have two beautiful dogs, I don't know much about them but they are lovely.

Thank you, we're also in Scarborough, maybe we can let our dogs play together one day:party:

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Everyone FYI, this was discussed earlier in the thread, they were adopted from a friend who is a breeder in Argentina and they are closing their kennels. :D

Thank you jesse's mommy, really appreciate.:pawprint:

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Those are nice photos, very nice looking dogs as well. The only thng i do not like the the watermark in the corners. Personally i think it detracts from the photo. In my oppinion it should be smaller and less noticable. Unless you are trying to stop people from taking the images. But those are very nice photos :),

Alex

I'll make the watermark smalller and less noticable:) thank you!

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Man! Your pooches look EXACTLY like the neighborhood dog that's at the root of my fear of white dogs. :eek: When I was a kid a neighbor had a white dog who looked just like that (although I doubt he was a DogoArgentinio, since they are rare -- I'm thinking he must of been some type of pittie-mastiff mix) who terrified all the neighborhood children. In his defense, he was tied outside all day long...probably hit more than once...and probably not well fed...
I must admit, seeing your dogs, so cute and playfull may help me get over my fears ;) They sure are handsome. What's their temperament like?


You should meet with my dogs, they will lick you to death:evil:

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Yesterday I was up in Annapolis MD at the marine supply store and a lady walked in with one of these lovelies, I asked if her girl was indeed a Dogo Argentino and she almost fell over that I even knew the breed :) Thanks for the education, it was so cool to actually be able to recognize such a rare pup :)

:pawprint:

:) that's cool.

dtbmnec
May 29th, 2006, 03:49 PM
I hate to say this but I'm glad I'm not the one walking them!

Dogs + walking + Megan = Megan flapping in the wind behind the dog

It's true it happened! Thankfully it was Winter and it was only a snowbank! And that was with a Black Lab and a young one at that! :p (To be truly honest the owners never walked her they had an electric fence and she had the run of a medium sized backyard and therefore didn't know how to be properly walked)

Dear God you'd never see your dogs again if you let me walk them....or rather if you let them kidnap me! lol :D

They are such nice dogs though! They look gentle-ish and fun! Never seen dogs like that before!

Megan

P.S. I'm much more of a Husky/Alaskan Malamute kinda person....but right now I'm settling for my kittens!

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 08:10 PM
kittens are lovely:)
you donot have to worry if you walk my dogs, because they are well trained not pulling the leash. So it's easy to walk my dogs, all you need is put your hands in your pocket, and the dogs will follow you. :pawprint:



I hate to say this but I'm glad I'm not the one walking them!

Dogs + walking + Megan = Megan flapping in the wind behind the dog

It's true it happened! Thankfully it was Winter and it was only a snowbank! And that was with a Black Lab and a young one at that! :p (To be truly honest the owners never walked her they had an electric fence and she had the run of a medium sized backyard and therefore didn't know how to be properly walked)

Dear God you'd never see your dogs again if you let me walk them....or rather if you let them kidnap me! lol :D

They are such nice dogs though! They look gentle-ish and fun! Never seen dogs like that before!

Megan

P.S. I'm much more of a Husky/Alaskan Malamute kinda person....but right now I'm settling for my kittens!

jawert1
May 29th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Funny you should mention how gentle they are on the leash, the lady in the marine supply store had her 4 year old daughter with her, and the little girl was the one holding the dog's leash (and the dog stood just a bit taller) with mom standing by. Truly a testament to the breed's temperment and training capabilities :D

dtbmnec
May 29th, 2006, 08:29 PM
There was a dog across the street and he was a big dog. He was a crossbreed, a mutt and he was the most adorable wonderful dog ever. He was well trained (for the most part) but he was trained to pull. The owners would go out on their rollerblades and have Buddy (this dog) pull him along. He tended to be chained up in the front yard and once before they could figure out how strong he was he got loose. Mom was home and the only one who noticed (small community and most people weren't home) and she got to take him home. She too was a flag in the wind....

lol I'm sure that you've got your pups trained well! Just even with the best training accidents happen! And what might not seem like pulling to you would probably be pulling to me!

Megan's staying away from dogs of any size until she gets a weeeee bit more muscly.

:D

Megan

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 09:22 PM
oh! No! I missed the puppy pics. Please post some of the puppies....since alot of people on this board (myself included) have adopted our pets, we didn't get to see them as pups. We need puppy pics to get our fix ;)

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may27-06-001.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may27-06-008.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may28-06-007.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may28-06-031.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may27-06-017.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/may27-06-052.jpg

enjoy!

ToroDogo
May 29th, 2006, 09:25 PM
http://usera.imagecave.com/gaophotos/dingdang-and-rocky/may24-06-401a-copy.jpg

I photoshoped this one, and I think the photo looks pretty cool;)

jesse's mommy
May 29th, 2006, 09:31 PM
As usual, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! Mom looks wonderful too! Was it a good labor for her?

glasslass
May 29th, 2006, 09:32 PM
Those little pink paw pads are sooo sweet! They need some tickling and kissing!

Prin
May 29th, 2006, 10:42 PM
oooo more puppy pics!!! Meb999 is right- most of us adopted older dogs and can't get enough of puppy pics. They're adorable with the little pink feetsies.:love:

meb999
May 30th, 2006, 06:14 AM
wooohooo!! Thanks for the puppy pics. OH! They're so cute, I just want to kiss 'em and tickle 'em! So cute, so cute, so cute!! How old are they now?
How's the momma feeling?

chico2
May 30th, 2006, 06:44 AM
ToroDogo,sorry for being pet-political:pawprint: your beautiful dogs are obviously very well cared for and loved,as I am sure those little angels will be:love:
Thank's for showing us more puppy-pics:thumbs up

ToroDogo
May 30th, 2006, 11:01 AM
As usual, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! Mom looks wonderful too! Was it a good labor for her?

Because it's her first litter, and with so many puppies, it took her almost 11 hours to bring all her babies to this world. and we didnot sleep for 4 nights:pawprint:
It's was a good labor, she's recovering very fast:)

ToroDogo
May 30th, 2006, 11:04 AM
wooohooo!! Thanks for the puppy pics. OH! They're so cute, I just want to kiss 'em and tickle 'em! So cute, so cute, so cute!! How old are they now?
How's the momma feeling?

LOL, thank you!

They were born on May 24, so they are almost one week old.
The momma feels just great, she eat well, sleep well, and loves to go out and play.

erykah1310
May 30th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Toro, once again its wonderful that you are educating people like this, some have fears of dogs with that general appearances! Good job in all your explanations and for so calmly accepting critisism about possibly breeding ( which I am aware that you are not)
I just would like to give you a "hats off" ( although i am not wearing a hat lol) You take the time to answer everyones questions!
Good job!!!
And I must also add!! EVER CUTE LITTLE PUPS!!!:D
These dogs sound like they have a wonderful family, and I have no doubt in my mind that they are absolutely well taken care of!!!
:thumbs up
Keep up the great work in educating people about the breed!!!!:highfive:

ToroDogo
May 30th, 2006, 11:08 AM
ToroDogo,sorry for being pet-political:pawprint: your beautiful dogs are obviously very well cared for and loved,as I am sure those little angels will be:love:
Thank's for showing us more puppy-pics:thumbs up

No problem, I donot take it as "pet-political", I believe in "free speech", people have different opinion and thinking, and they are free to speak them out, that's what make our lives so interesting:)

ToroDogo
May 30th, 2006, 11:10 AM
Toro, once again its wonderful that you are educating people like this, some have fears of dogs with that general appearances! Good job in all your explanations and for so calmly accepting critisism about possibly breeding ( which I am aware that you are not)
I just would like to give you a "hats off" ( although i am not wearing a hat lol) You take the time to answer everyones questions!
Good job!!!
And I must also add!! EVER CUTE LITTLE PUPS!!!:D
These dogs sound like they have a wonderful family, and I have no doubt in my mind that they are absolutely well taken care of!!!
:thumbs up
Keep up the great work in educating people about the breed!!!!:highfive:

Thank you:highfive:

meb999
May 30th, 2006, 12:02 PM
Please don't be shy to post more pics of the pups as they grow up :love: . They're just so cute, I keep coming back to this thread to see them. Look at their tiny little nails!! awwwwwwwwwww...(yes, I'm insane...just in case you're wondering...)

Lucky Rescue
June 1st, 2006, 08:58 PM
Just magnificent! Thank god they ended up with someone ethical and caring, who will be very careful over where they go, since it's often the wrong people producing these dogs, and the VERY wrong people getting them.

Those puppies are too precious.:)

cpietra16
June 1st, 2006, 09:14 PM
The pups are just ....I don't know how to say it, I am speechless. What wonderful creatures. Please keep posting pictures. Is there a little runt in the litter..I have a soft spot for runts:p do you see some personality emerging or is it too early to tell. The one thing I miss about having puppies around is the puppy breath....I loved it.

.unknown.
June 5th, 2006, 06:33 PM
i absolutley love these dogs.
My friend has a dogo and he's the sweetest goofy guy ever. He almost can't help but give you tonnes of kisses.

Alex_Galea
June 5th, 2006, 08:08 PM
those puppies are just soooo cute!!

Inverness
June 5th, 2006, 08:32 PM
I came here to show pictures of dogs, didnot realize that "wild boar" would be a big issue here.

Not sure why nobody noticed this or commented on it, but may I just say that this is a discussion board here ToroDogo and that now that you got yourself 4 pages of ooooohs and aaaaahs for your dogs, maybe some people might feel like, well, discussing a few things ? I mean, we all agree that your dogs are superb, but if some people have questions/comments to make, will they have to hold their piece because you refuse anything other than "beautiful" as a comment ? :confused:

jawert1
June 5th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Actually Inverness, that subject was discussed at length, as well as what that test entails and the constraints/restraints now in place. Also discussed was the upcoming (now past) birth of the litter of puppies, and why that happened as well. A lot of us have posted questions to Toro, and he's answered quite fully and helpfully, even though sometimes those questions were harsh. I for one appreciate understanding that there are still parts of the world where dogs are just one more tool for hunting and find myself thoroughly grateful that those of us here on this board don't have that mentality, which includes Toro and his family of pooches.

Inverness
June 5th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Sorry then, I guess it's just me who felt some of Toro's replies were very rude. I must have missed something. Forget I even mentionned this.

phoenix
June 5th, 2006, 10:18 PM
inverness you are not alone. after being told to medicate myself with alcohol and relax about the boars, i backed out of the conversation.

Prin
June 5th, 2006, 11:55 PM
I think we all eased up after Toro explained that these dogs were acquired from a breeder who does the tests and the female was already preggers when Toro got her, so there wasn't much else to worry about except the health and well-being of these pups. So we all relaxed, lightened up and started to enjoy the pics. At least that is what I understood about what happened here.

Aren't the pups adorable though?;)

Inverness
June 6th, 2006, 10:51 AM
Aren't the pups adorable though?;)

Absolutely, yes. Were it not for my 6 pitbulls, I think I'd beg for one ! :crazy:

greaterdane
June 6th, 2006, 11:43 PM
Your pups are adorable. Friends of mine from a big dog site were looking into Dogos and saw your ad on hoobly.com They were interested, but cannot pay the $2000 that you are asking, that and they are in OH. They did however find one in rescue in the US. Dogos are just gorgeous.

mafiaprincess
June 6th, 2006, 11:52 PM
I'll bite..
You have puppies, of a breed that aren't really for a first time owner, could be dog aggressive as an adult, and need a firm hand..
Yet you post on hoobly an add for them. Of all places to sell dogs, that's pretty shady, wow.
For all the oohs ahhs and wow how ethical comments, think people here are a little out of the loop.
And 2000USD for dogs you didn't even have to breed. Nice chunk of change. Wish the breeders I knew could turn profits like that of their champion dogs.
And the ad says the pups are show quality. From dogs you say you have no interst in doing anything show wise with back in post 11 because they are 'working dogs'. Wacky advertising you got going..

erykah1310
June 7th, 2006, 12:40 AM
WOW they are on that awful site!! I cant believe it! Toro, Im disapointed to see this. We talked through emails, about breeders of Dogos. I didnt realize that this was such a profitable endeavour for you.
The pups are still gorgeous, and the adults are marvelous. Once again you did do a wonderful job in educating people on here about the breed, but i feel it was for an alterior motive.

Prin
June 7th, 2006, 12:45 AM
Aw that's sad. I didn't realize either that each puppy was such a gold mine and that they would be sold to whomever answers some anonymous ad on the net. :( Hopefully they won't be used for fighting.:( How disappointing.:sad:

Inverness
June 7th, 2006, 09:20 AM
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd-W0QQAdIdZ4526212

greaterdane
June 7th, 2006, 11:39 AM
His price is $500 more on kijiji.ca

Here is the hoobly ad

http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/276878.html

$30000 for a litter....wow

Frenchy
June 7th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Not only they could be use for fighting but what about breeding???And in a couple of years we will need a Dogo's rescue....I already saw another add for selling those kind of puppies on kijiji quebec...

Frenchy
June 7th, 2006, 12:00 PM
sorry torodogo,I don't mean to sound harsh,it's just that I can see this coming....even if the people that buys your puppies say they will spay/neuter them,doesn't mean a thing.

chico2
June 7th, 2006, 01:16 PM
How do you know they are TD's puppies?
The ones on hoobly are older,I think,or could they already be 6 weeks??

technodoll
June 7th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Torodogo... what are the folks on the DACA forum saying re: your online sale of these pups at such high prices? i haven't seen anything there since your announcement of the pregnant female joining your family last month... maybe i'm missing something. I'll go check again. since these are "THE" dogo people, i guess their reaction (good or bad) would say it all. they'll find out one way or another, as everyone keeps an eye out for their breed. :cool:

greaterdane
June 7th, 2006, 02:06 PM
How do you know they are TD's puppies?
The ones on hoobly are older,I think,or could they already be 6 weeks??


The users name on hoobly is ToroDogo..and the kijiji website pictures have his watermark on them. The hoobly ad says they were born May 24th..that would make them just under 2 weeks old.

meb999
June 7th, 2006, 02:42 PM
awwww, that sucks! 30 000$ for a litter?! -- wow, no wonder we have trouble closing down puppymills and BYB, that's quite the chunk of change!
I'm not sure ToroDogo will be back on this board though...he hasn't posted in a while....

chico2
June 7th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Oh yes,I see now what you mean:sad:

I am really disappointed,he said the puppies were going to friends and family:sad:

jawert1
June 7th, 2006, 04:08 PM
Ugh, it was so nice to see someone making an attempt to educate, how sad and chico's right about the pups, which makes it worse :(

ToroDogo
June 8th, 2006, 08:12 PM
I just asked myself: Why do I explain to people. I just do what I do, people say what they say.

So, now I delete this post.

Prin
June 8th, 2006, 08:17 PM
I don't know if it was the price or the method of finding your babies their new homes that disappointed.

But if you say you've screened to death, there's not much else we can ask for and without knowing you personally, I think we'd have to give you the benefit of the doubt.:)

phoenix
June 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM
i agree with one thing, if torodogo had asked less $, i think it would have been more chance for the pups to end up in fighting clubs and other bad places. He would have to charge/advertise the going rate...

what an opportunity though, to help out a rescue organization with some much needed funds;) -- even at 1500 ea., that is still a large sum.

it is very hard in this case to determine the difference between a byb and a legitimate situation...

kaytris
June 8th, 2006, 09:14 PM
I'm sure the dogo argentino club of ontario would have been more than happy to help find responsible homes for these puppies.

The horses are long gone though, but maybe we can help someone else secure their barn door. (To beat a metaphor to death)

Inverness
June 8th, 2006, 11:15 PM
i agree with one thing, if torodogo had asked less $, i think it would have been more chance for the pups to end up in fighting clubs and other bad places. He would have to charge/advertise the going rate...

what an opportunity though, to help out a rescue organization with some much needed funds;) -- even at 1500 ea., that is still a large sum.

it is very hard in this case to determine the difference between a byb and a legitimate situation...

I think BIN would be delighted to get some help ! :)

chico2
June 9th, 2006, 06:49 AM
I am sorry how it all ended up:sad: I truly believe TD loves his dogs and would do his best to secure good homes for them.
I am ignorant how to best advertise puppies available,or how selling them for $100 would be better than $2.500:confused:
I am just hoping these beautiful pups all find good responsible homes,also that TD will keep track of them in the future.
They could so easily fall in to the hands of some jerk,who needs a macho dog for his macho image.Good Luck to them all:fingerscr