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Sick dog, multiple symptoms, been to vet 2 times already. Please help.

Kevincal
May 14th, 2006, 11:24 PM
This might be kinda long but please bare with me. I have an 8 year old American Pit Bull Terrier that we saved from the pound when he was a puppy. He was going to be euthenized the next day. He has turned out to be the sweetest dog I've ever owned, after owning 5 dogs previous to him. He seemed perfectly healthy until about a week ago. That morning he seemed very lethargic and unwilling to eat his breakfast.

I also noticed what I thought was a small lump on the back of his head. He even yelped when I touched his head firmly. But, I tried to get him to repeat it and 90% of the time I could touch his head and he wouldn't yelp. We took him to the vet that afternoon and they poked and prodded and took a urine sample as well as a blood sample. They noticed his urine was dillute and claimed a possible kidney infection. They didn't say anything about his head. They prescribed ant-biotics, two 500 mg capsules 3 times a day. So we started him on that.

The next day he seemed about the same. He had an obvious look of being ill including a sad face and his tail between his legs. I also noticed that it seems to pain him to open his mouth. We managed to get him to eat a little and start his anti-biotics. The next day his face started to swell up. We took him to the vet again and his vitals seemed to be ok and they said his blood was ok...They gave him shots of anti-biotics, antihistamine and a pain killer. The next morning his face was really swollen now, but he did manage to eat a bit. Overall he seems a bit confused and walking aimlessly at times. Also unhappy. Finally, on thursday, day 3, the swelling has gone down in his face and he seems to be improving. He still seems to have trouble opening his mouth fully, however. When he yawns, he does so cautiously instead of taking a nice big open mouth yawn that he usally does.

Friday and Saturday he seems to be still on his improving track. Eating pretty well and going to the bathroom normally. He does still seem a bit disoriented and lathargic, although it is getting pretty warm (in the 80's) and also the seasonal allergies are bad right now. Now today, Sunday, he seemed ok in the morning, but in the afternoon it got over 90 degrees and he seems to have gotten worse all of a sudden. Walking around aimlessly and also he is foaming at the mouth a bit. When we went to feed him at 6 pm. he looked at his food and cried and then held his head very low and walked around in circles. Now he is curled up in the corner of his dog house looking very sad and even not making eye contact with us.

In ending, I would like to summarize his symptoms. A week ago he became lathargic and unwilling to eat with a small bump on his head. Took him to vette, generally he seems ok and blood ok and urine dillute. Possible kidney infection. The next day and the day after that his face swells considerably and he continues to be sad and seems to have pain or discomfort opening his mouth. Fast forward a few days to this past Saturday (yesterday) and he has shown improvement including most noticeable the swelling in his face going down pretty much all the way. By now he has been on 2000-3000 mg of anti-biotics a day for the past 4 days. Now this evening he is foaming at the mouth a bit and looking quite unhappy including holding his head low and walking around aimlessly. He also wimpers when trying to be fed.

Some serious things I think he might have include a brain tumor, brain swelling, twisted stomach disease, tooth infection, or rabies. Some minor things I think he could have are seasonal allergies or a bite from an insect, possibly a poisonous spieder. Any opinions would be great.

doriankellly
May 14th, 2006, 11:37 PM
Im am so sorry about your pups health. But if you are able, take him to see another vet asap.
Do you have a humane society in your area? In 1997, my spitz became ill, we suffered the greed of a private vet.
Our next child was adopted from the humane society and cared for by thier non-profit vets.
Although he most recently passed, he recd. great care from the humane society.

kaytris
May 14th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Time for a second opinion. Are you close to a teaching college at all?

Kevincal
May 15th, 2006, 12:04 AM
Well we actually did take him to 2 different vets. The 2nd one contacted the first one about the blood sample etc. Now it is 9 pm and it has cooled considerably to the 70's and we just got done feeding him about 10 minutes ago. He ate like he would if he wasn't sick at all...I'll have to look into that non profit humane society because we've already spent $500 at the vet already...It really sucks though because we were so stressed out last week about him and I was even sick myself last week as well. Now I'm feeling a bit better and he has this episode after being ok the past few days....ugh. :(

What do you mean by teaching college? We have a community college nearby.

mummummum
May 15th, 2006, 01:27 AM
What do you mean by teaching college? We have a community college nearby.

A Veterinary College or University which has an animal hospital associated with it such as Guelph University in Ontario.

kaytris
May 15th, 2006, 08:52 AM
Yep, Guelph or another vet college.. they often have specialists and access to equipment/tests that a small vet clinic wouldn't have.

SnowDancer
May 15th, 2006, 12:40 PM
Yes, Guelph is wonderful - and has on-call specialists that will meet you there for life-saving surgery at midnight - and does not require a 24 hour work-up which is of course life saving in inself when dog does not have 24 hours. You should check to see if you have a similar university near you - Guelph is nearly 3 hours from us so not pleasant in emergency circumstances, but could be worse. I know there is a wonderful Vet college at the University of PA so maybe ask your vet - most likely he/she would have trained there if from your State/Province. Re symptoms, I absolutely do not think your pup's stomach is twisted - you would for sure know this by now and your dog would have had surgery. Could be a combination of things, a virus and an allergic reaction to the meds. It is good that he is eating. When our pup isn't feeling well - he did have a virus in October - he wouldn't eat - but when he had a touch of something in Dec. he would eat Hill's canned I/D - forget the kibble though - and of all things, shortbread. My husband gave him a piece because he looked so sad. My vet thinks he was attracted to the butter. Told my husband to cool it with the shortbread. I continue to watch him in case he has another non-virus related relapse - he is a Spitz (Eskimo) and I want to watch out for stones and pancreatitis (the butter made me worry about this). I hope your pup does better and definitely try to find the vet college - but generally speaking if they run a Small Animal Clinic cost wise, won't be cheaper - at least not from my way too considerable experience - but doctors are great.

Kevincal
May 17th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Well my dog has had a few decent days in the past week but the last 2 have been very bad. He lays down almost all of time now and when he gets up he appears in pain and cant seem to straighten out and he even cries sometimes. Yesterday he was spinning in circles for minutes and today he's been laying in the same spot almost all day. He is also trembling off and on with inconsistent breathing as well. Now, I noticed a lump on one side of the back of his head the first day he was feeling unwell more than week ago. After $500 and 2 vets neither of them thought anything of it and blew me off about my idea of it possibly being a tumor. Well the lump is still there and his symptoms are obvious to me that it is most likely a brain tumor of some sort. He is doing so bad today I'm thinking we may have to put him down.

However, I have been doing a lot of reading online and about brain tumors in dogs specifically...One of the treatments for shrinking the tumors is giving the dog prednisone, a type of steroid. Now we can't really afford to take him to the expensive vets anymore just to have them blow us off and send us out with some more anti-biotics. And they want $500-900 to keep him over night which is way out of our league. My mom has some left-ever prednisone and I was wondering if I should try it on my dog in the correct dosage of course (mg)...What do you all think...:sad:

badger
May 17th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Very bad idea.
If it was my dog, I would find another vet, maybe one that takes payments, and get my dog over there. Or go back to one of the previous vets and ask lots of questions.
However convinced you are that it's a tumour, there is no way you can be certain, is there? So you end up euthanizing for an infection or something not yet identified? Something that can be cured?
This is your buddy. Don't give up on him yet.

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 02:20 AM
But here's the thing. The first day he showed symptoms I noticed the lump on one side of his head...I mean, put 2 and 2 together and to me it's pretty obvious. These vets I went to are like your typical over-worked doctor nowadays. They do their routine look over and unless you dog is really about to die right there they load em up with anti-biotics and pain killers and send em' home. Well that's been my experience anyway. I know plenty of dogs take prednisone so I know it's perfectly safe at the correct dosage.

shredy
May 18th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Prednisone is a highly dangerous drug if you do not know what is causing your dog's illness. A lump could be an abcess or hematoma, in which case giving prednisone, and weaking his immune system could make him much worse. Try to find a better vet, or be insistent that they pay attention to you. It sounds to me like he is very sick, and any vet would do what they can to help him get well. Please do not just start giving him prednisone from your mom. VERY BAD IDEA!!!!!!:eek:

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 02:55 AM
Prednisone is a highly dangerous drug if you do not know what is causing your dog's illness. A lump could be an abcess or hematoma, in which case giving prednisone, and weaking his immune system could make him much worse. Try to find a better vet, or be insistent that they pay attention to you. It sounds to me like he is very sick, and any vet would do what they can to help him get well. Please do not just start giving him prednisone from your mom. VERY BAD IDEA!!!!!!:eek:

He's on death's door anyway...Can't keep paying these vets outrageous amounts of money and getting no answers. We also aren't willing to shell out much more $ as we've already spent some $500 and I've lost a lot of time from work to care for him. So now I'm struggling with paying regular bills too...I do admit I am tentative to give him prednisone but he was really bad today and he's been on 1000-2000 mg of anti-biotics a day for a week...I just feel that whatever the lump is on his head could be brought down in size by the prednisone...my hope anyway, and relieve some of his symptoms. But don't worry, I'll do a lot more research and call a couple vets tommorow before I give him the pred...

OntarioGreys
May 18th, 2006, 10:11 AM
Prednisone can be dangerous if give with certain other drugs,
open up the phone book and call some vets to see if they will take payments
phone some rescues

Try this rescue to see if you can get financial help, even if not, see if they can somehow take possession of him it better than just letting him suffer and die.

http://www.pbrc.net/fund/financial.html

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 01:44 PM
lol. It's not that we don't have the money. We aren't willing to shell out hundreds and probably thousands of dollars for a big dog who is already 8 years old. It would be a different story if he was 5 or younger.

rainbow
May 18th, 2006, 02:14 PM
I agree 100% with badger and shredy. Stop putting your dog through all this and get him to a vet asap. You are not helping him any by trying to diagnose yourself what is wrong with him. He is not on death's doorstep when he is only eight years old.

I had a large dog who, at ten years old, had a four inch tumour removed from his intestines. The vet said at the time his prognosis would be 8-10 months and my husband and I decided that was worth it. He surprised us all my living for almost two years past the operation.

shredy
May 18th, 2006, 05:24 PM
Your dog would give his life just to make you happy. The least you can do is help him get well. 8 years old is not death's door If money is not the issue then get him to a vet and take care of him. If it was your mother or father, and they had fallen ill, would you say, I won't spend all this money on them beacuse they are old, and they are going to die someday anyway!!! I have a 9 year old dog dying of untreatable, inoperable cancer, and I would give my life to save hers. I am horrified at how you speak of your sweet dog, he deserves better.

chico2
May 18th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Wow,what a sad way to look at a sick dog,a sweet loving dog,who would without a doubt lay down his life for you:sad:
Selfmedication,without knowing what is wrong with you pup,borders on abuse..
Get back to the vet,point out your concerns about the bump on his head and don't give up.
$500 is actually not that much for an animal you are supposed to love and protect,we've all been there,vets are expensive,something you have to take in to account when you get a dog/cat.

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 08:59 PM
I agree 100% with badger and shredy. Stop putting your dog through all this and get him to a vet asap. You are not helping him any by trying to diagnose yourself what is wrong with him. He is not on death's doorstep when he is only eight years old.

I had a large dog who, at ten years old, had a four inch tumour removed from his intestines. The vet said at the time his prognosis would be 8-10 months and my husband and I decided that was worth it. He surprised us all my living for almost two years past the operation.

Excuse me, but I've been caring to my dog for the past 11 days straight while I'm sick myself, missing work, stressed out, and a significant lack of sleep. I've taken him to TWO DIFFERENT VETS already. I'm only 24 years old and $500 IS LOT OF MONEY. I could come up with more but how much money am I going to spend on a big 8 year old dog with multiple symtoms that the friggen scam artist vets can't even figure out what's wrong with him. I'm not ignorant on medicating dogs either. I have done A LOT of research since he's been sick. I wouldn't be stupid enough to give my dog medications that could hurt him even more or interact with his current meds. I wish some of you people would give more constructive answers than, "take him to the vet." Aren't there any vets on these boards?!?!

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM
Your dog would give his life just to make you happy. The least you can do is help him get well. 8 years old is not death's door If money is not the issue then get him to a vet and take care of him. If it was your mother or father, and they had fallen ill, would you say, I won't spend all this money on them beacuse they are old, and they are going to die someday anyway!!! I have a 9 year old dog dying of untreatable, inoperable cancer, and I would give my life to save hers. I am horrified at how you speak of your sweet dog, he deserves better.

I'm sorry, but a pet is NOT in the same ballpark as a human family member in my opinion. You should keep your "he deserves better" comments to yourself by the way...Way to kick me while I'm already down.:mad:

Kevincal
May 18th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Wow,what a sad way to look at a sick dog,a sweet loving dog,who would without a doubt lay down his life for you:sad:
Selfmedication,without knowing what is wrong with you pup,borders on abuse..
Get back to the vet,point out your concerns about the bump on his head and don't give up.
$500 is actually not that much for an animal you are supposed to love and protect,we've all been there,vets are expensive,something you have to take in to account when you get a dog/cat.

Well how many more $500 trips to the vet without a proper diagnosis can one take? We'll probably try one more vet tommorow though if he's not improving at all. :mad:

Joey.E.CockersMommy
May 18th, 2006, 11:10 PM
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PLEASE PLEASE.

Do not post questions that require immediate veterinary care.

If your pet is seriously ill, bleeding, can't move, hasn't pooped or peed in a couple of days, has green mucus coming out of the nose or eyes, hasn't eaten or drank in a few days, is pooping blood, is coughing blood, has a bloated tummy, cries when touched or picked up.....Then please take the poor animal to the VETS ASAP.......Do not waste time posting here, your pet needs to be seen by a real live veterinarian immediately.

If you cannot afford vet care, check to see if your vet or another vet can take payments, or check to see if any veterinary school or college facility can help.


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Hi Kevincal you were asking about vets on the board.

You will see a vet on this board every so often - but it seems like your guy will need care sooner then the a vet will see your thread and answer your question. I know this is really stressful for you - but wouldnt you want to do everything you can to save your dog - what if that one last vet you take him to can save his life - its sucks sometimes having to dish out big dough to get your dog better - but its just part of having a pet - the unexpected happens and its never at a good time. Good luck and I hope your guy gets well.

rainbow
May 18th, 2006, 11:20 PM
Excuse me, but I've been caring to my dog for the past 11 days straight while I'm sick myself, missing work, stressed out, and a significant lack of sleep. I've taken him to TWO DIFFERENT VETS already. I'm only 24 years old and $500 IS LOT OF MONEY. I could come up with more but how much money am I going to spend on a big 8 year old dog with multiple symtoms that the friggen scam artist vets can't even figure out what's wrong with him. I'm not ignorant on medicating dogs either. I have done A LOT of research since he's been sick. I wouldn't be stupid enough to give my dog medications that could hurt him even more or interact with his current meds. I wish some of you people would give more constructive answers than, "take him to the vet." Aren't there any vets on these boards?!?!

I've been in the same position myself, many times, but I have always put my pets first.

Your dog is only 8 years old and not on death's doorstep.

If you think your vet is a scam artist then get a different one.

You may not be ignorant but do you honestly think you are qualified to diagnose? Would you do the same with your human kids?

There are vets on this board that "volunteer" their time therefore are not on here every day and you should not be waiting for their opinions.

rainbow
May 18th, 2006, 11:33 PM
I'm sorry, but a pet is NOT in the same ballpark as a human family member in my opinion. You should keep your "he deserves better" comments to yourself by the way...Way to kick me while I'm already down.

Sorrry you're down but so is your dog. If you do not consider a dog (or any pet) to be "in the same ballpark as a family member" then I hope you never own a pet again.

Well how many more $500 trips to the vet without a proper diagnosis can one take? We'll probably try one more vet tommorow though if he's not improving at all.

IMO it takes until you get a proper diagnosis. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and think all vets are out to screw you. That is not the case and perhaps you need to have better communication with your vet. Please let us know how you make out with the vet tomorrow.:pawprint:

mummummum
May 18th, 2006, 11:52 PM
Folks you can't reason with young children and that is what this 24 year old is behaving like. I wouldn't waste your time or breath on this one any longer. Let's just hope they are a :troll: and do not in fact have any animals for which they are "responsible".

Kevincal
May 19th, 2006, 12:05 AM
Hi Kevincal you were asking about vets on the board.

You will see a vet on this board every so often - but it seems like your guy will need care sooner then the a vet will see your thread and answer your question. I know this is really stressful for you - but wouldnt you want to do everything you can to save your dog - what if that one last vet you take him to can save his life - its sucks sometimes having to dish out big dough to get your dog better - but its just part of having a pet - the unexpected happens and its never at a good time. Good luck and I hope your guy gets well.

Ya well he's prolly gonna see a THIRD vet tommorow....hopefully they care more about him than their $ this time. ty for the well wishes.

Kevincal
May 19th, 2006, 12:07 AM
I've been in the same position myself, many times, but I have always put my pets first.

Your dog is only 8 years old and not on death's doorstep.

If you think your vet is a scam artist then get a different one.

You may not be ignorant but do you honestly think you are qualified to diagnose? Would you do the same with your human kids?

There are vets on this board that "volunteer" their time therefore are not on here every day and you should not be waiting for their opinions.

If you could see him, he appears to be on death's doorstep every other day. Like I said I've been to 2 difference vets already so I'm losing faith in them. I know I'm not "qualified" but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to do a little research on the internet as I've done. Plus I'm the one that knows his symptoms and exactly what he's doing and when I try to convey that to the vets they just take my advice with a grain of salt, like the lump on his head.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
May 19th, 2006, 12:08 AM
I am routing for the both of you :fingerscr :D

Kevincal
May 19th, 2006, 12:30 AM
Sorrry you're down but so is your dog. If you do not consider a dog (or any pet) to be "in the same ballpark as a family member" then I hope you never own a pet again.



IMO it takes until you get a proper diagnosis. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and think all vets are out to screw you. That is not the case and perhaps you need to have better communication with your vet. Please let us know how you make out with the vet tomorrow.:pawprint:

You left one vital word out of your slanderous bolding of my quote. I said pets are not in the same league as HUMAN family members. If you have the same amount of love for a pet as your parents or siblings, then I take it you aren't very close to your family... I love animals with a passion, but in the end, they are not my blood and they are not human.

You would have a chip on your shoulder if this happened to you too. Basically what happened is I pointed out the lump on his head and expressed concern and they blew me off and claimed it's nothing. They didn't even request an X-ray or CT scan. Nothing. I asked them questions left and right too and conveyed all of his symptoms to them. Hopefully tommorow we'll get some more answers. And sorry if I seem like a jerk but I've had a terrible week.

Kevincal
May 19th, 2006, 12:32 AM
I am routing for the both of you :fingerscr :D

I appreciate it.

Dragonfly
May 19th, 2006, 12:41 AM
We are happy to see that your dog will be seeing another vet and hope that the problem can be properly diagnosed.

Please let us know how it goes.

Since this thread has become, shall we say, a bit hostile, we will be closing it now.