Breeding and whose house should they go to

I am interested in breeding my male yorkie and I was wondering, should I take him to the females house or mine.

Judie:highfive:

What are your reasons for wanting to breed with him.

Can't believe this. :mad:

Judie, didn't you read all those posts about your Yorkies and why you shouldn't be breeding ? You never even answered our questions about your dogs' pedigrees, health testing, etc.

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22948

http://www.pets.ca/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=12

Welcome Judy not sure what your reasons for breeding are but I hope you seriously think about it. There is a lot more to responsible breeding the deciding whose house to do it at.

Neither. Presuming your male has been tested for any and all genetic defects, and presuming that he has been shown to at least one championship, you should be finding a very reputable breeder with a similarly tested and titled female, then that very reputable breeder will tell you whether or not they'll accept your male, and then they'll tell you how they want to proceed.

Anything other than that is just adding to the pet overpopulation problem with more potentially unhealthy puppies which, the good people on this board who dedicate their lives to rescues can tell you, really isn't needed at this point. ;)

I just noticed that other thread :mad:

Yep. It's all been said to her already.

I just don't get it. Why breed a dog with problems, health or social.

Judie, you ask all these questions but don't reply to ours, why? What are your reasons for breeding.

Hello Everyone,

I am having problems figuring out how to use this. Please forgive me. My Baillie is a male and he has been tested for everything from liver shunts, to hypoglocymic. The outcome was from onions. Sorry I have not answered your emails but I just figured out how to do this. I have a friend that has a yorkie female and we wanted to have some puppies for ourselves not to breed and let go. I would never think of that. I would like to have a baby by my little male. Is there anything wrong with this? Please let me know. I take excellent care of my dog and would never hurt him or his decendents in anyway. I was just wondering if I should take my male to her house to breed or to my house.

Judie:angel:

What are your reasons for wanting to breed with him.
I would like a puppy of my own. Just figured out how to answer you. Sorry for all the delays.

Judie:sorry: :sorry:

Can't believe this. :mad:

Judie, didn't you read all those posts about your Yorkies and why you shouldn't be breeding ? You never even answered our questions about your dogs' pedigrees, health testing, etc.

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22948
My Baillie is registered and is a Durrer and he has been checked for liver shunts at the University of Tenn including MRI and EKG. Has had hypoglocymic tested, leg parthes, collapsing trachea, and what ever else. I have spent almost 5,000 on this dog for testing. Nothing but I did find out that both instances was from Onions. Please let me know if this answers your questions.

Judie:angel:

http://www.pets.ca/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=12

Welcome Judy not sure what your reasons for breeding are but I hope you seriously think about it. There is a lot more to responsible breeding the deciding whose house to do it at.

I am very new at this but would never hurt any animal. I have helped sea gulls, I even got a oxygen tent 2 times for a squirrel. I am not one of these people who just wants to make money. I actually want a puppy from my male.

Judie

I would like to have a baby by my little male. Is there anything wrong with this?
There is plenty wrong with this, Judie. There are lots and lots of Yorkies out there who need homes, a lot of whom are puppies. Just check out www.Petfinder.com, for starters - this is only a few of them available, a lot of shelters don't advertise on Petfinder, and even more just kill the dogs outright. You could adopt one of them, if you really want another dog. Your friend's dog could end up having a dozen puppies. Would you keep them all then? "Health testing" doesn't mean that he was sick and you took him to the vet and they ran tests. It's about genetic screening, making sure he doesn't carry the genes for one of the many, many issues that Yorkies are genetically prone to developing. Please, please don't breed your dog. Take him and your friend's female to the vet and have them both spayed/neutered. Not only will this help with the pet overpopulation problem, but this will stop your dog from contracting one of the many potentially deadly diseases related to having an un-spayed/neutered dog.

Neither. Presuming your male has been tested for any and all genetic defects, and presuming that he has been shown to at least one championship, you should be finding a very reputable breeder with a similarly tested and titled female, then that very reputable breeder will tell you whether or not they'll accept your male, and then they'll tell you how they want to proceed.

Anything other than that is just adding to the pet overpopulation problem with more potentially unhealthy puppies which, the good people on this board who dedicate their lives to rescues can tell you, really isn't needed at this point. ;)

I really do respect all of you and you dedication to this. I would never let my animals run loose and my Baillie is a Durrer from Canada. I bought this dog from a very reputable breeder and she is also a judge for shows. She actually shows persians but liked the yorkshire terrier so much that she has a litter 1 time a year.

Judie

There is plenty wrong with this, Judie. There are lots and lots of Yorkies out there who need homes, a lot of whom are puppies. Just check out www.Petfinder.com, for starters - this is only a few of them available, a lot of shelters don't advertise on Petfinder, and even more just kill the dogs outright. You could adopt one of them, if you really want another dog. Your friend's dog could end up having a dozen puppies. Would you keep them all then? "Health testing" doesn't mean that he was sick and you took him to the vet and they ran tests. It's about genetic screening, making sure he doesn't carry the genes for one of the many, many issues that Yorkies are genetically prone to developing. Please, please don't breed your dog. Take him and your friend's female to the vet and have them both spayed/neutered. Not only will this help with the pet overpopulation problem, but this will stop your dog from contracting one of the many potentially deadly diseases related to having an un-spayed/neutered dog.

I would be very interested in adopting a yorkie from a shelter. Can you help me? You have answered all my questions. If I did decide to breed him then I would make sure that both animals had all the genetic testing. My female goes in this Thursday to be spayed and her dentals. She is only 2.2 lbs.

Judie

I just don't get it. Why breed a dog with problems, health or social.

Judie, you ask all these questions but don't reply to ours, why? What are your reasons for breeding.

Stacy, you have been very helpful but why attack me so much. I am just asking questions and learning how to do this. I would never ever hurt any animal and I do donate for all causes to animals.

Judie

If she was a rep breeder I would re-check your purchase contract because you would have a non-breeding clause in it. The only way to get around it would be to show the dog to champion if she had given this as an option. If the dog was sold as a pet quality then there would be a spay/neuter clause.

Even if you did do the testing for your male, what about the female.

These tests that were done were only to find out what was wrong with your dog right.

Which was the one that you thought was abused.


Judie, I was not attacking you but it does get frustrating when someone posts such a question and then doesn't reply. How are we to know that you don't know how to post.
You have to understand how often people come here to ask questions about breeding their dog just for the purpose of producing puppies. The only reason why someone should breed is to better the lines of the breed and not for any other reason. Before you decide to do this please do all the research. I would also suggest reading up on back yard breeding.
In my business I end up seeing the results of bad breeding far too often and then have to watch the families crushed because their beautiful puppy is either sick, disabled or has social issues that are just as bad. I bet they never planned for this when they got their pup. Some of the pups were so bad off that even surgery would not remove the pain and they end up being put to sleep.
This doesn't even go into how many puppies get put into rescue because they were sold to someone who didn't really want them or their breeder couldn't find homes for them. Take a look as others have mentioned at all the dog out there looking for homes. Your city also may have by-laws against owning to many dogs. Most places allow 3 per household.

Stacy, if you are referring to the one that was having puppies. No, I was in the yorkie group and one of the ladies dogs was having puppies and when I found out from you guys how bad she was, I let them know and I got kicked off the club. I only want to help animals not ever hurt one. This is why I am asking you guys for help. Not to be attacked like this. I am sincerely asking questions that I would like to have answers too.

Judie

No, the breeder you purchased the dog from. Most breeders will have a purchase contract with a bunch of rules on it.

Hi Judy not only do you need to consider health and genetic testing but birthing these pups can be very expensive with very small breeds and you might want to consider this also. You could loose the female or the pups can be stillborn. Even the very experienced breeders run into these problems but are much better equipped to deal with these emergencies. Plus the dog population is too overpopulated. I suggest rescue also for another dog you will be saving a life and giving a dog a good loving home. I am not sure where you are located but there are pages of yorkies on petfinders for Ontario babies to seniors. Good luck and keep us posted.

I have a friend that has a yorkie female and we wanted to have some puppies for ourselves not to breed and let go

Just wondering - if there is only one puppy (not uncommon in young toy breeds) who gets it?

What if the female needs a C-section or special and expensive care. Who will pay for it? If you pay half and there is only one puppy, what then?

Has the female also been tested and cleared of all genetic problems or disease that your dog may catch?

If you are determined to do this, you need to have a very specific contract drawn up and signed by both of you.

I would be very interested in adopting a yorkie from a shelter. Can you help me?
Hi again. You can check www.petfinder.com for starters. You can specify your location to find available puppies within your area. You can also do an on-line search for "Yorkie Rescue" in your area, this should also yield some results. If the breeder you got your male from is reputable, they should be able to help you find a good rescue group in your area (even if they are located in Canada), as well as answer your questions about breeding. Ideally, if you are going to breed, you should be mentoring with a responsible breeder anyway, so I suggest you give them a call right away. ;)

ETA: Here is their website, just in case you want to get in touch with them. http://www.durreryorkies.com/

Stacey makes a very valid point, though. You really should check your contract, because this breeder could very well have had a non-breeding contract drawn up.

From the Pm you sent and the posts you have posted it sounds like you are now going to be able to make informed decisions. A rescue would be a great option. You would be able to help one that is already looking for a home.
Good luck

I have a phsycian friend who has bred her Yorkie and she had to be a Grand Champion first and it is not just your dog's health but the genetic testing as far back as several generations. A reputable breeder will only accept a dog with that background in a breeding program but if you have shown your dog and have his pedigree and the health and genetic records for at least 4 generations, then someone you meet at a show should be able to help you. Do you have a mentor? That is the first step for first time breeders once their dog - providing the dog was a show dog and won championships - usually take and your mentor can guide you as you go thru the long process of shows and breeding. It is very expensive and with all due respect, if it is simply for one of her puppies, that is not a good enough reason and is not acceotable. I do not mean to be elitist when I write this, thoseare just the way the pedigreed dog world works. There is no real reason other than breeding a dog whose line has absolutely no deviations from the standards - which is what is studied for at shows - or to enhance the breed standards. Can your sog's line enhance the standard in some way - do her grandparents and parents have xceptional qualities that would account for proper and quality breeding?

Please do not knock me as the messenger - those are the ground rules,. If you want a puppy, there are many breeders willing to sell them. If you want your dog's puppy and he is not a Champion, no credible breeder will allow him near their female until they see all the records. You will have to allow them first choice of a puppy or make other arrangements. Also, you can only do this if when you purchased your dog from a breeder, you purchased breeding rights. If not, you are not allowed to breed him.

Please attend dog shows and find a mentor - and I do hope your dog is show quality.

I myself have a show quality Siamese and thus had to pay the significabtly higher price for that but I still opted to spay her - she and I seemed to develop a special bond when we set eyes on one another. I was not seeking a show quality (I was actualy seeking a special needs meezer the truth be told - as many will recall) Siamese but that is how it turned out. She came with medical records that date back a century and even my mother - who loves cats - was appalled at what I paid for her, lol (But when you find that special cat...) I could have purcahsed a pet quality ,eezer for much less of course but that cat would have come with more restrictions.

Read the Yorkie Association rules before you get into this.

You might also read this before you breed your dog. It is quite enlightening:

http://personal.cfw.com/~dtratnac/neuter.htm

There are 293 homeless Yorkies listed on Petfinder as of today.

Breeding your dog for the sole reason of having a puppy from him is not a reason good enough for me.

You truly seem to want to be educated about breeding, and for that I commend you!
Please gather as much info from here as you can,and try not to get angry at some of the replies, just understand that many here are involved in rescue, and see daily what to much breeding can do!
This is a very serious endeavor, not to be entered into lightly, so please think long and hard before you breed your dog.

My personal opinion on this matter is, as long as there are dogs in shelters all over (I believe petfinders show over 100, 000, and that doesn't list all shelters and pounds ) and other perfectly healthy ones put to sleep, because no one will adopt them, and there is no room to keep them, NO ONE should be breeding.

There are 293 homeless Yorkies listed on Petfinder as of today.
And here (http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi)'s the link to them, just to make it a little easier for you. ;) Remember, this isn't even all of them - there are still many, many rescues and shelters who do not advertise on Petfinder, and even more who euthanize their dogs right away so they wouldn't even appear in any database to begin with.

Before this thread becomes volatile, it will be closed.