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Possibly Bryant's biggest blunder yet

January 17th, 2006, 06:15 PM
I just head today on CFRB that back in the fall ,Monte Quinter and our beloved Attorney General proposed a change to some criminal act{s} that would allow the courts to streamline the bail process and get more offenders back on the street faster.The same proposal was to allow certain criminals to "go home" under supervision in order to save the province some cash . There were many other details that I missed but it sounded like a real winner of a bill . It was proposed by the 2 Ministers that are in charge of the Ontario justice system designed to protect the citizens of Ontario .
Someone called in and said it was so they could close some jails , saving more cash in the process.
Amazingly the Bill was quashed by Mcguinty . Right about the time when Toronto was dealing with its 60th or so murder of 2005 . Kind of a "no brainer" to pass on that I suppose. Hopefully he didn't need to confir with anyone to kill it.

Rehab might be in order for these two and hopefully they weren't driving anywhere when they came up with these ideas.

Has anyone got more on this I would like to get more info for my upcoming website that will be lovingly dedicated to the present provincial government.

January 17th, 2006, 06:32 PM
No info, but that sure is good news, lots of amunition for 2007...

January 18th, 2006, 12:46 PM


Ministers called for reduced sentences
McGuinty rejected 'offender-focused' cost-cutting plan

Adrian Humphreys, National Post
Published: Tuesday, January 17, 2006

After an unprecedented summer of gun deaths in Toronto, two senior provincial ministers, the Attorney-General and the Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services, endorsed a sweeping plan to create an "offender-focused" justice system.

The plan called for fewer offenders to be charged, more accused people to be released on bail, inmates to be let out of jail more quickly and the closing of several jails.

Ministers Michael Bryant and Monte Kwinter hailed the plans in a Sept. 27 memo to their deputy ministers as "ambitious and comprehensive" and instructed them to fully co-operate in their implementation.

Despite the endorsement, the plan was largely rejected by Premier Dalton McGuinty, a government spokesman said.

"The Premier asked for recommendations about how to make the justice system better and when those proposals came forward, some of the ideas were totally unacceptable," said Chris Morley, a spokesman for Mr. McGuinty.

"The Premier rejected proposals that jeopardize community safety and has announced new initiatives and spending to speed up the court process and modernize the court justice system."

Instead, the provincial government accepted a small portion of the plans, such as promptly dealing with bail issues facing offenders.

The plan would see dangerous offenders being dealt with more carefully and those considered not to pose a danger but who lack the financial resources to post bail released more easily, according to government officials.

The proposed move, called the Justice Modernization initiative, was designed to cut $339-million from the cost of running the courts and correctional facilities.

A series of detailed briefing notes, including some marked "confidential Cabinet document," that outline proposed changes were obtained by the National Post. They say the goal is to create an "offender-focused" justice system and seek "cost-effective alternatives to custody and court processes."

The plan was to "increase the range of offences/offenders who can be diverted by using community-based alternatives to the criminal justice system."

It would keep "more offenders supervised in the community at $25 a day instead of incarcerated in a correctional facility at $162 a day," the documents say.

A key measure of success would be additional "diversion from custody" with an apparent target or quota of an extra 5% to 10% of offenders never reaching jail, the documents say.

These proposals of adult diversion from jail and courts were among the rejected ideas, government officials said.

A government official who did not wish to be named said discussions with police found that officers would not divert charges unless planned and funded alternative programs for offenders were created. The government was not prepared to fund such measures.

The plan also called for the closing of several jails in Toronto, Chatham, Monteith and Thunder Bay, as well as largely shutting down one of the large jails, either Penetanguishene or Lindsay. A plan to build a new jail in Toronto was also to be scrapped.

That would have resulted in the loss of 315 full-time jobs.

These were also rejected, officials say, with the government now saying it will build a new Toronto facility to accommodate the inmate population when the Don Jail closes. Discussions on the type of facility, how large and where it will be built will now begin, a government official said.

The plans also were to allow "greater discretion for correction officials" to allow "early release" of inmates from jail without going through a parole board.

The proposals were brought to Cabinet in November, officials said, and were discussed before being ultimately rejected.

The plans were in an advanced state of progress through both the bureaucratic and government channels when rejected.

At least three people were hired to oversee the changes, including a criminologist, a lawyer and a former federal bureaucrat. "Base funding" for the plan of $5.9-million had already been approved with another $4.5-million "on holdback" pending Cabinet and Treasury Board approvals.

On Sept. 27, 2005, Mr. Bryant, the Attorney-General, and Mr. Kwinter, the Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services, signed the internal memo announcing the plans and sent a copy to the Premier's office.

"The plan is ambitious and comprehensive. It has come to be known as our 'Justice Modernization' initiative and it is our top priority, as evidenced in the Premier's mandate letters to each of us," the memo says.

Yesterday, the Premier's office declined to provide the Post copies of those mandate letters. Mr. Morley said the Premier sought only improvements in the justice system, not cuts.

The documents suggest the government knew the changes would likely bring public disapproval or fear.

One of those hired to advise the government on its implementation of the now-rejected plan was a communications consultant to assist in "stakeholder relations and messaging."

The documents say the key message needs to be that the sweeping changes will "improve the efficiency of the criminal justice system without compromising public safety."

The plans -- even though eventually rejected -- are cause for concern, said Scott Newark, former vice-chair of the Office for Victims of Crime, an agency reporting to the Attorney-General.

"Thank God for whatever happened, whatever intervened to stop this train wreck," he said.

"[The documents are] indicative of significant planning and intent to implement. This was a well-researched, thought-out, planned, intended process. In my experience in government, that is fairly far down the road."
National Post 2006

January 18th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Thanks Loki

January 18th, 2006, 07:04 PM
No prob.
Thanks for bringing this topic up.

It's mind-blowing how downright incompetent the guy is.

Look forward to seeing your site.

January 18th, 2006, 08:39 PM
"Thank God for whatever happened, whatever intervened to stop this train wreck," he said.

Actually, that won't truly happen until 2007...

January 19th, 2006, 08:50 PM
No prob.
Thanks for bringing this topic up.

It's mind-blowing how downright incompetent the guy is.

Look forward to seeing your site.

It will be a while , I plan to base it on the many reasons not to vote Liberal in 2007 . So there is lots of time to gather info and the way these guys are performing there should be lots of material to work with.