January 6th, 2006, 04:15 PM
I wondered if any of you have seen this film... and your thoughts on it?
Though it was compelling - cant say I cared for it.
The wildlife footage is just astrounding, but I found the film unsettling on several levels, .. even kind of creepy.
Like watching a trainwreck about to happen. Its fascinates.. but repels.
Timothy Treadwells odd behaviour seemed beyond eccentric -a mental illness more likely. To me, it relayed a man clearly out of touch with reality, paranoid, and with illusions of grandeur - that he had uniquely bonded with these dangerous animals and would be protected by them.
Though I found the premise put forth by some that he "got what he deserved" rather harsh... the inevitably of his luck eventually running out a foregone conclusion.
He died doing what he loved, but very sad that a young woman companion was killed with him.. along with the bear that did what comes naturally to grizzlies.
Which of course raises the question... is it ok to venture into the domain of animals on your own personal mission to "save" them ..and commune with them in a way that nature never intended?
January 6th, 2006, 04:33 PM
I did not see the film,but watched a documentary about Timothy Treadwells and his grizzlys.
I believe he started this loveaffair with the Grizzly,without knowing much about them,because if he did,he should have know not to completely trust a wild animal,he was also probably not all there mentally
His ending and that of his girlfriend was horrific,but one that at least he felt was right.
They also played the last part of their struggle with the grizzly,the Camcorder had been left on,but all you heard was their screams,part of it was not aired in the documentary.
January 6th, 2006, 04:50 PM
Chico, yes.. the audio portion of the gruesome end this couple met was wisely not played in the film, though there is mention of what it contains.
The detailing by the coroner and others conjures up enough horrific images without addding to it:sick: .
I didnt see the documentary on Timothy Treadwell, but he was certainly an colourful and interesting character - who to me.. needed help or intervention.
Actually.. I knew nothing about this film. I just grabbed it off the shelf, a picture of a man and bear.. and thought it was a nature documentary. (I was looking for March of the Penguins, but they were out)
It certainly was not what I expected, and though partially an astounding nature documentary.. much more than that..:sad:
Disturbing sums it up for me.
January 6th, 2006, 11:48 PM
That does not sound like fun at all... You probably should have waited for March Of the Penguins- it's much lighter (even though it's not too accurate... but I already had my say on that in another thread... If you have loved and researched pengies all your life, this isn't the movie for you, unless you watch it with mute on...:o But if you haven't, it's Great! )
January 7th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Same here--saw the doc, not the film. It's been a long time, but I was strangely horrified and awed by this guy...stuck between the thoughts "what a lunatic" and "I'm so jealous he was able to get so close to such a dangerous wild animal."
I do think he had a really uncanny knack for sensing the nuances of bear "moods" and wasn't just mentally ill. He absolutely knew the risks of what he was doing and I think his end was fitting, but I don't mean that in a spiteful way. It is not the way I wish to go, hence I avoid tip-toeing with brown bears or any other animal that can trample, maul, eat or otherwise maim me. But heck, I've treated people in the hospital who've been attacked and maimed by their own dog, so I guess I can't really say that. There are other risks that I AM willing to take though, and those may be the end of me some day...
But to your actual question Shamrock--I don't know. You can't learn about something without getting close to it. But if every borderline nutcase does so, we're going to create a big problem. I live in an area where "Ursus americanus" is rampant--it's an animal I love but above all, respect--so I steer clear of them. But many people around me don't respect them--leave garbage, bird feeders, etc where the bears can access them, then seek out nuisance permits from the DEC...and it's the animal that suffers for the human's stupid actions and lack of respect.
Here's a link to a UK site re: the film http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article336990.ece
January 7th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Shannon, that was a very interesting article.. thanks for posting this. I agree with a lot of this overview - how complex a person Timothy Treadwell was.
He was not the hero or saviour that he imagined himself.. but his love and passion for these bears was certainly very real, and the fact that he was able to get so close, interact with them as he did, and ward off death at their hands for 13 summers is mysterious and awe-inspiring.
Those who court danger with death-defying endeavours know full well the risks, as he did. He certainly made many references to this.
I just got the feeling that he really didnt think it "would" happen. Not to him.
For every one who perishes in such a manner, taking risks that go beyond the norm.. one cant help but think..."Why didnt you quit while you were ahead?":sad: