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Same political question to Canadians

StaceyB
December 15th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Sorry Prin, here you go.
Who will you choose and why?

CyberKitten
December 15th, 2005, 12:58 AM
I always vote for the candidate selected by my party - the party I belong to (I have been its president and held other offices) because I believe in its policies and also give much time to working to create them. A time consuming procss but I am a political junkie. I have been EA to a Premier (a great job while in univ! - I love to write pol speeches) iand I have been elected to public office. I often work for a certain candidate to win my party's nomination, just as others have worked for me.

See above in the US section, lol

gdamadg
December 15th, 2005, 08:43 AM
I am not sure yet, I have to research my home riding a little bit more. Which is in Alberta. We do early voting (second or third week of Jan) as we may have elected ridings all over the country.

K9Friend
December 15th, 2005, 08:47 AM
I never vote for the candidate as I don't care for them really. Always go with the party platform. :evil: :ca:

Prin
December 15th, 2005, 04:57 PM
Normally I don't vote for the candidate either, but here, she has been so involved with us already. She sent us a letter before the election was called welcoming us into her riding (we just moved here) and then we got a Christmas card and a calendar... I've never gotten so much! :D

But like I said in the other thread (rudely interrupting...:o ) I'd love it if Jack Leighton won, but that's a longshot. Aside from him, anybody but Harper. He has very dishonest eyes, among other things. I can't believe in or put my faith in a politician who has no humanity or "soul" in his eyes. I don't like his platform either, but if Peter MacKay was the head, I would look at it a bit closer.

StaceyB
December 15th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I agree Prin. I see Jack Leyton actually getting things done. I think he would be a great choice.
I would much rather have Martin back in than see Harper. I believe that if he were to get in we are all in a lot of trouble.

Prin
December 15th, 2005, 05:16 PM
The polls say that 71% of people 18-35 believe that the sponsorship crap is representative of what goes on in all parties. So there you go. Why should the libs get the heat when they all do it and we know they all do it?

StaceyB
December 15th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Too bad the majority of that age group won't vote.

Lizzie
December 15th, 2005, 05:19 PM
The polls say that 71% of people 18-35 believe that the sponsorship crap is representative of what goes on in all parties. So there you go. Why should the libs get the heat when they all do it and we know they all do it?

I'd provide some proof before I go claiming that all parties participate in such grand schemes as the sponsorship scandal.

Roxy's_MA
December 15th, 2005, 05:52 PM
The polls say that 71% of people 18-35 believe that the sponsorship crap is representative of what goes on in all parties. So there you go. Why should the libs get the heat when they all do it and we know they all do it?

Because they got busted hardcore. (although Paul Martin got a white Cowboy hat)

What bother me most about the scandal, is if a normal citzen commited these crimes they would be in jail.

babyrocky1
December 15th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Well, I answered this question on the American thread, the handgun thread and now the thread it actually belongs, I vote NDP, for my cadidate Olivia Chow and for her hubby Jack! Who do live in my riding. If I can get her to sign the DLCC petition I will campaign again for her and if she doesn't I wont. I have agonized over this and this is the best solution I can come up with. I have always voted NDP and campaigned in every election. the provincial NDP is on record as not supporting bill 132. I feel I need a committment from every politician that I work for though. Last year I campaigned in two ridings, they have asked me to volunteer in Toronto Central but I told them I would need the candidates stand on BSL first, I havent heard back yet.

babyrocky1
December 15th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Too bad the majority of that age group won't vote. I believe that Jack is going to alot of universities and high schools. I guess thats part of the strategey, he was able to increase membership in the NDP by huge numbers when he ran for leader, alot of those newbies were young! At 12% in the polls he had better think of something!:eek:

K9Friend
December 15th, 2005, 07:17 PM
I'd provide some proof before I go claiming that all parties participate in such grand schemes as the sponsorship scandal.

ahem....they do! :yuck: Remember Mulroney?! :cool:

Lizzie
December 15th, 2005, 07:27 PM
ahem....they do! :yuck: Remember Mulroney?! :cool:

Excuse me, but I didn't say that other parties were angels. I simply said to provide proof. It's a good way to back up an opinion, and appears more informed.

As far as remembering Mulroney, yes I do. It was a period of change. If you think that "remember Mulroney" is considered proof, in my opinion it's really not. For those of you who don't know much about Mulroney, here's a link that might be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Mulroney

K9Friend
December 15th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Top 10 scandals in Canadian Political History. :rolleyes:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/scandals.html

K9Friend
December 15th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Anyone that thinks all politicans are the same and that there is no choice is nuts.

Sorry but I do.:clown:


As for Mulroney - awww..yes...a very wise lawyer who knew big people in high places. I know enough about him on what he did behind the scenes. His slate isn't clean. ;)

Lizzie
December 15th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Exactly db7. The Liberal Party of Canada has been proven at fault, as indicated in the Gomery Report--which is available online if anyone should like to read it to find out exactly how their "Libs" acted. Here's a link to Gomery's site: http://www.gomery.ca/en/rulings/

Lizzie
December 15th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Sorry but I do.:clown:


As for Mulroney - awww..yes...a very wise lawyer who knew big people in high places. I know enough about him on what he did behind the scenes. His slate isn't clean. ;)

Sounds like the PM and his crew. Don't you think they had "a very wise lawyer who knew big people in high places?" Of course they did, only they were in fact at fault so all the money in the world couldn't help them out.

K9Friend
December 15th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Sounds like the PM and his crew. Don't you think they had "a very wise lawyer who knew big people in high places?" Of course they did, only they were in fact at fault so all the money in the world couldn't help them out.

Exactly! which brings me back to the point - that they're all the same. Sorry if I'm cynical - I've just lost faith in our political leaders and the system. I will vote on Jan 23rd and I'll vote for the party that I believe will keep this country strong & free! :ca:

StaceyB
December 15th, 2005, 09:01 PM
It would be nice to see from everyone what you take each parties platform to be.
Is anyone going to be watching the debate?

babyrocky1
December 15th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Oh I love wtching the debates and election night if Im not voluteering or at the "victory party" I hate counting the votes, cause your still in there counting and the whole thing is over by the time you get out...Ill never figure out how they do that but it really ticks me off....I know ,I know they project...it still ticks me off!

StaceyB
December 15th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Though I think Martin was involved in this scandal somehow I would say the reason why he has not done very much since he came in is because he has spent the whole time dealing with it.

Prin
December 16th, 2005, 02:43 AM
I'm taping the debate. I love the debates. Not necessarily for what they say but how they say it. I don't like it when Canadian politicians fight dirty and bash without actually promoting themselves on their own. I don't want to know why so-and-so is an a**, I want to know why you aren't. The last debate was spent attacking and every attacker who relied solely on attacks did not get my vote.

I'll be watching Harper to see what ELSE he has to say, if there is anything at all besides Liberal bashing. Yeah, the libs spent tax payer money, and? There are so many issues here, MOVE ON!

And it'll be a chance to see if Jack has acquired some cahones. He really needs to step up and shine. No stuttering, no mumbling, no hesitation. C'mon Jack!

And Paul? Well, he's been showing a lot more backbone since Gomery cleared him. I think that's a good thing (even though I don't believe he should have been cleared...).

What I don't get is that our governments today are so focused on money, and on having a balanced budget, meanwhile we're riding on all the amenities from the spendy times. Here in Montreal, all of our stuff- our hospitals, our public transit system, our roads and highways, everything, was built in the 50's and 60's. In history, we learn what a sorry state the debt was at that time because of the "careless spending". Well, you know what? Having no deficit but having crap hospitals, crap roads and dangerous metros is worse, IMO.

Everybody is on strike. Textbooks in schools are old and in short supply. More and more people are jobless. Fewer and fewer people in Qc are attending post-secondary schools and the number of university educated people in Montreal is the lowest of all the Canadian cities... Why? Because there's no money! You can only cut back so much before things deteriorate. So we might have a balanced budget but we're not having any fun either.

CyberKitten
December 16th, 2005, 05:24 AM
The platforms are all online. Just check out the party web sites, go to the source, never mind the interpretation by the media. We are all biased in one way and so are they. Are any of you active in a political party? Why does everyone like the beat up on Mulroney? I rather think 100 yrs from now, he will be regarded as one of our best Prime Ministers. I know he comes across as this slick Irishman and yeah, to a large extent, he is a bit of a rogue but kind of a lovable rogue - I know him personally but maybe that is not such a wise thing to admit. Even so, I have to admit I voted for Joe Clark for party leader. I would put Mulroney up against Paul Martin any day of the week. At least Mulroney is not a hypocrite - and he WAS exonerated by the RCMP even after the Liberals tried to bring him down. He sued and won, good for him I say!! That they would even bother shows how mean spirited they are. I did not agree with everything Brian M did - in fact, I hate the GST and I am not all that crazy about free trade either but the Liberals first promoted it and then campaigned against it. As an old line socialist one said to me, at least you know where the Conservatives stand. The same can never be said for the Liberals - they go with whatever they think will get them elected , a party of opportunists!!! Look at all the scandals in our past - the National Pacific Scandal with old John A, MacKenzie King talking to his dead mother and Lauier for advice and helping "streetwalkers" by bringing them home. Would he survive media scrutiny today?

You have to admit though - contrary to what some think, our political history is anything but boring, lol

Anyway - I doubt I will vote for Stephen Harper tho, even if he is smart. The jury is out but I am leaning to the NDP even if Jack is too much of an urbanite for my rural lifestyle but he did go with those Sask MP's over the labour elite which is why Buzz (who comes from small town NB, sigh!!) opted to hurt him by backing Paul. Of course he also stabbed Alexa in the back too. Union politics is VERY nasty - I wish the NDP was not so tied to it.

Rick C
December 16th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I'd provide some proof before I go claiming that all parties participate in such grand schemes as the sponsorship scandal.

I would agree. . . . . handing out envelopes filled with taxpayers cash is stepping up to a new low and is pure corruption.

In the USA, all second term presidencies dating back to the 1960's have descended into scandal . . . . Lyndon Johston, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and now GW Bush.

In Canada, all second and third term governments dating back to Trudeau in the 1970's have descended into scandal. The Conservatives blew out the Liberals in 1984 on the back of things like Marcel Masse's private use of government jets. The Liberals blew out the Conservatives in 1993 on similar als.

Those are ankle-biting problems, however, compared to the sheer blatancy of envelopes filled with cash.

Honestly, I'm not sure who I will be voting for. I'm a classic small "c" Conservative and like a lot of people of my ilk, I would rather see a Liberal minority so Stephen Harper will go away and we can have a truly moderate Conservative leader for an election a year from now.

Rick C
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