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doggie overdose! urgent!

Ghullums_mom
December 13th, 2005, 08:34 PM
my mom just told me that her dog ate 20 75 mg pills of rymadil ( i know i spelled it wrong) and she wants to know if she should be worried. any thoughts.

Bushfire2000
December 13th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Take the dog to the vet now!
At the very least phone your vet, people medicine can be deadly to pets.
I don't know what kind of medicine that is.

( others on this site would ) but take no chances contact your vet immediately!!!!!

the gang
December 13th, 2005, 08:50 PM
run to a vet asap, and what was that doing out for doggie to get ahold of good luck.

Ghullums_mom
December 13th, 2005, 09:01 PM
it was doggie medicine, i just cant spell it. i got it for her cause shes got hip-displasia *which i probably spelled wrong too* the dog is acting and responding well, shes happy and energetic. can my mum give her charcoal to help?

Bushfire2000
December 13th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Contact your VET !!

Ghullums_mom
December 13th, 2005, 09:12 PM
she did. they said all they can really do is moniter, its was an hour ago or so.

Bushfire2000
December 13th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Good to hear that and good luck, let us know how it turns out.

db7
December 13th, 2005, 09:27 PM
If it was very recent you can give hydrogen peroxide to make the dog throw up. You could also give charcoal to help stop absorption. Call another vet to get a second opinion. It'salways scary when the first opinion is wait and see.

badger
December 13th, 2005, 09:50 PM
Whoa!! Hydrogen peroxide? I'd ask the vet about that, my bottle says 'external use only'.

Bushfire2000
December 13th, 2005, 09:54 PM
It's not so easy to get a dog to swallow charcoal and I would definatly check with a vet about hydrogen peroxide. Sounds like saying swallow some bleach to go with those pills. They do still use peroxide to bleach hair right?

StaceyB
December 13th, 2005, 10:04 PM
After an hour the meds have already been absorbed. I would call poison control to see what they say. Speak to someone there. How much over her regular dose did she take.

Natasha Hartman
December 13th, 2005, 10:39 PM
:sick: Do the Peroxide thing!!!! A friend of the family is a vet (and a good one) and one time our famiy dog ate lots of rat poison, he took a bottle of peroxide anmd tipped it down the dog's throat. IT WORKED!! Cozac (the dog) vomited EVERYTHING!! Were we ever glad HE was there!!!!:sick:

Prin
December 14th, 2005, 12:57 AM
I find it curious that the vet didn't want to monitor the dog himself. If something happens, how are you supposed to get there in time?? I'd be at the vet already.

Ghullums_mom
December 14th, 2005, 01:59 AM
i dont know about the peroxide use, but she still seems to be doing well. she usually only gets some if shes in pain. and the regular dose is the 75 mg. everyone is asleep now and my mom hasnt called to tell me other wise but i will keep you posted, thank you for the concern and the advice. one more reason i love this site



:ca: cananadins rock :ca:
(yes i spelled it like that for a reason)

shannonRN
December 14th, 2005, 02:32 AM
Wow, I just saw this thread for the first time. Fingers crossed for your doggie

Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) IS a recommended way to make dogs vomit, but it would need to be right after the dog eating the pills. You dilute it with some water first. I've read that if the dog has an otherwise empty stomach, a piece of bread can help the dog to vomit too because it's hard to bring up nothing but liquid. I think the foaming causes the vomiting. At any rate, after the foaming you're left with oxygen (O) + water (H2O).

Please keep us posted.

CyberKitten
December 14th, 2005, 02:58 AM
I jsut saw this now (was having a stupid debate about nothing important with my bf, the usual, lol) - and while this is a vet med, it is an NSAID and I just got my CPS directory out (a kind of drug bible for docs and pharmacists - I have a few left over that the co. sent me if anyone wants to pay opostage ,, they are invaluable!!). I had to get out a 1999 ver tho since the closest human med to this medication is feldene, a strong NSAID that had too many adverse side effects so it is no longer prescribed very often to humans. (I personally suspect that is why they oped to market it to vets but I do not know that for a fact!!)

NSAIDS can ruin a stomach - speaking from experience, having lost half my stomach to NSAID's- not that I did ot know better but over time I developed an ulcer and bec I was in so much pain all the time, I never noticed the extra pain so the ulcer caused an obstrcution that led to a 3 week ICU stay, cardiac arrest , an obstruction and a partial gastrectomy (the excision of most of my stomach - it grows back, sigh - so you regain the weight - so much for THAT silver lining). I was careful too, always took them with milk and did all the ruight things. They are just too dangerous for long term use and I do pain research, one of my key areas of research I am not at all afraid of saying.

Anyway -- I hate NDAIDS needless to say!! The dog should be seen by a vet asap anbd be given activated charcoal asap tho many ER's now use other agents (not hydrogen per tho!@!) I opted to look it up online but when I got to my medical account, of course I forgot my pwd so had to reneter AALL my data, unique phsyician number, year of grad at what school, etc, etc ---
but this also means I cannot just pos the link so here is the info:

This is what your mom's dog's vet shopuld be doing NOW!!!!!!!! Not in a day but NOW!!!!

Emergency Department Care: Management of acute NSAID poisoning is essentially supportive and symptomatic.

Initial stabilization: Follow the ABC protocol.
GI decontamination
Avoid ipecac syrup.
If the patient has no clinical evidence of a perforated viscous, decontaminate with activated charcoal and a cathartic.
No specific antidotes for NSAID poisoning exist.
Elimination enhancement
Because NSAIDs are highly protein bound, hemodialysis and charcoal hemoperfusion are not beneficial for overdose treatments. The drug is mostly metabolized by the liver with less than 10% excreted unchanged by the kidney.
Hemodialysis may not help clear the drug from the blood, but it may be indicated in patients who develop acute renal failure as a complication of their ingestion.
Renal function is usually corrected after a few days.

Urine alkalinization and forced diuresis are unlikely to affect the clinical outcome in poisoning with NSAIDs because the kidney excretes only a small portion of the absorbed dose unchanged.
Seizures induced by NSAIDs tend to be short lived. H2-antagonists may prevent GI irritation, but their usefulness in this situation is unproven.
Consultations: Consult a regional poison control center or local medical toxicologist (certified through the American Board of Medical Toxicology or the American Board of Emergency Medicine) for additional information and patient care recommendations.

Our hospital has a toll free number (not sure if it avail outside the Maritimes
1 800 565 8161 - tell them your small child swallowed the pills, they will freak (tho not to you but wonder why a child - or dog if they knew) was still home and not being medically supported!

Make sure the dog's airway is clear, make him vomit somehow -even if all you haver is hyd per tho I do not recommend that but if it works, it just also is a posion. Gastric lavafge might be needed, ie , the insertion of a tube to get extract the medicine and also an IV fior support of nec electrolytes.

This is the following inpatient care he needs:

Monitor for: Bowel perforation; monitor for presence of bowel sounds before readministration to minimize risk of charcoal ileus; not very effective in poisonings of ethanol, methanol, and iron salts; induce emesis before administration; after emesis with ipecac syrup, patient may not tolerate activated charcoal for 1-2 h; can administer in early stages of gastric lavage; without sorbitol, gastric lavage returns are black
FOLLOW-UP Section 8 of 10
Author Information Introduction Clinical Differentials Workup Treatment Medication Follow-up Miscellaneous Bibliography





Further Inpatient Care:


Consider admission for all significant ingestions of phenylbutazone, mefenamic acid, and meclofenamate, whether symptomatic or not.
Symptomatic patients with ingestion of the less toxic NSAIDs (eg, ibuprofen) should be observed.
Patients with GI bleeding, hematemesis, or guaiac-positive stools may require endoscopic evaluation.
Significant alteration in level of consciousness may require endotracheal intubation and admission to a critical care unit. Significant metabolic acidosis and episodes of acute renal failure have been reported.
Further Outpatient Care:


Asymptomatic patients who have ingested a less toxic NSAID may be discharged and followed as outpatient if they are reliable.
Psychiatric evaluation is necessary for intentional ingestions. - I doubt the dog needs a psych eval, but anyway.....

Even if his vet us not the cautious type, if he were my dog, he would be at a vet somewhere.

StaceyB
December 14th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Please let us know how this dog is, 20 times his regular dose is extreme. I hope he is alright.

StaceyB
December 14th, 2005, 09:29 AM
I would also suggest to your mother that she find a new vet.

Lucky Rescue
December 14th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Rimadyl in a regular dose is dangerous enough.

I simply cannot believe a vet is not concerned about a dog ingesting that amount of medication.

CyberKitten
December 14th, 2005, 10:42 AM
I asked my own vet about this - knowing the human NSAID's is one thing but I am no vet and wanted to be certain that I was not overly alarmist in my post last night. She assured me I was not -there are many scare stories of dogs not even responding well to regular doses. It is just like the very strong NSAID's taken with the risks explained in full to the patient (in this case, the mommy of the dog). I do not comprehend the action of this vet either.

Bushfire2000
December 14th, 2005, 11:00 AM
I had no idea what kind of medicine that was.
I find it hard to believe the dog swallowed it all!!

I had to give antibiotics to my Buster after his surgery and hid it in bits of food, that was about four months ago and he still sniffs every treat I give him for traces of pill.

I would wonder about your moms Vet. if this med. is as dangerous as said then he should be more concerned.

What kind of dog is she?

And our prayers and thought are with you, your mom and the doggie.

maddoxies
December 14th, 2005, 01:10 PM
I keep a bottle of charcol capsules on hand at all times for just these such emergencies. You can get them down a dog disguised in something.

I would be calling another vet for advice. I know vets say Rymadil is safe, but there is too much evidence to the contrary.

Let us know what happens :fingerscr

SnowDancer
December 14th, 2005, 01:43 PM
In your post re vet, you said that vet stated "all they could do is monitor" - just to be fair to your vet - who is "they" - you mom at home or vet and staff at the clinic. I would have your dog monitored at the clinic.

Puppyluv
December 14th, 2005, 03:00 PM
I know this doesn't help now, but HOW in the world did a dog eat 20 pills? I have never met a dog who thinks pills are tasty, in fact most eat around them as much as possible. I do hope the dog is feeling better, but really... how did this happen????

jawert1
December 14th, 2005, 03:06 PM
I know my parent's dog Max is on Rimadyl for his arthritis and eats them like they were candy. His have some kind of beef flavoring to them, so if they're the same, then easily enough explained.

Ghullums_mom
December 15th, 2005, 02:44 AM
rayven is doing just fine. shes had no side effects at all and is just as happy today as she was yesterday. she likes the pills by the way. thats why she ate all of them, my mom said she ended up talking to a tech, not a vet. shes complained to the vet since. thank you all for the info. it was much needed. i will let you know tomorrow as well how shes doin

CyberKitten
December 15th, 2005, 02:55 AM
Thanks so much for the update - I am very happy to know the pooch is doing so well. Must be an easy patient. <g>

ampleann
June 12th, 2006, 10:06 PM
How is the dog now?? Does she have repurcussions from it at all? I just had my 8 month puppy overdose on Ivermectin. The vet prescribed 10cc per day and i gave it to her once. The recommended amount is actually .5CC so she got 20 times what should have gotten. Thank god she puked it back up but she still had the overdose symptoms. SHe seems to be better now. However i don't know if there would be repurcussions down the road? DO you know?
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