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what collar or harness would you recommend

jackieb
September 22nd, 2005, 11:21 AM
for simba who is 16 weeks and 50lbs he doesnt like walking much but he can pull if he sees something and boy is he strong! If he hears a sound he doesnt like he wont bugde!

I want a collar that would help without it hurting him!

I am taking him to puppy socialising and basic obidence they recommended the gentle leader collar goes round the mouth and back of the ears i wasnt sure about it!

thanks

jessi76
September 22nd, 2005, 11:29 AM
When we attended puppy playschool w/ our pup, they suggested the EASY WALK harness. We got one, and still use it. It's made by the same company who makes the Gentle Leader.

here's a link: http://www.premier.com/pages.cfm?ID=75

jackieb
September 22nd, 2005, 11:48 AM
ours recommend the gentle leader

Our dog will be a xlarge adult dog do you think this would work?

StaceyB
September 22nd, 2005, 11:55 AM
Because your puppy has so much growing left to do, I would go with the gentle leader. You will be able to get the large or possibly the x-large and adjust it to fit now and resize as your puppy grows. Two fingers flat on the neck, same as flat collar and 1 inch space left from bottom of chin to the black locking mechanism and lock. This is just a tool to help you to gain control, you still have to teach your puppy not to pull.

SnowDancer
September 23rd, 2005, 12:05 PM
We have 2 of the Canine Equipment harnesses for our littler puller. But I have been threatening to get him the new NewTrix easyway collar - because of the part that goes over the nose - my guy is too much of a landscaper and yesterday he was in top form. There is an article in Toronto's magazine "City Dog", summer 2005 magazine written by a professional dog walker. I happened to come across this particular item and it also happens to be carried by my Eskie's groomer so I asked about it yesterday after the trip down "garbage row" - lots of green bins had been turned over. Turns out I know the writer of the article very well. Am going to ask her if maybe we should try it - actually I would prefer that she use it on the little monster - after all Mommy is Mommy! You can look at it at www.newtrix.ca.

mastifflover
September 23rd, 2005, 06:36 PM
I personally don't like haltis or gentle leaders I have trained all my dogs on a choke but after saying that from now on I am going to go with a harness. I have used the Lupi on a very large Bloodhound that broke 3 leather leashes trying to teach him to walk on a leash. Put the Lupi on and I was walking a new dog. Also collars are bad for the throat and damage the trachea, especially with a dog who will soon weigh more than you. Hope things are going good and I can't wait to bring Buddy up to meet your Simba

LoNScamp
September 24th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Over the years I have used the Halti head collar, Gentle Leader head collar, Lupi, normal walking harness,Pro Stop and Haliti Harness for pulling dogs. The head collars work, but a lot of dogs don't take to them and will constantly paw or rub their face aganist things in an attempt to get them off. I have also seen many dogs with indents across their muzzle from the strap that goes over the muzzle.

The Pro Stop harness is an effective walking tool, but a royal pain to put on.

Until recently the Lupi harness has been the walking tool I've liked the best. It is designed to quide the dog from the chest. It does have a couple of draw backs. If you are pulling forward on the dog it can slip over its head. It is not something I would use with a long leash. In a small percentage of dogs, it can rub and irratate them between the chest area and their front legs.

I have just recently started using the Halti Harness with my GSD, and it is really effective. You can use it with a two leash method or a single leash method. You can find info about all of the products on the internet by googling the product name.

Are you walking him on a flat 6 ft. leash? If you are using a retractable lead you are adding to the pulling problem and should stop using it until he walks properly.

StaceyB
September 24th, 2005, 01:51 PM
A common mistake that people make when using the head harness is that they place it on and hold the leash tight like they did with their other collars. You must keep the leash loose. Let the dog figure out that when they put tention on the leash the nose piece slightly tightens. As soon as they relieve the tention the nose piece releases. If the nose piece is too tight it will do nothing but put a constant correction on them, the same when you hold the leash tight. Also, don't pull or jerk the leash when walking.

Prin
September 24th, 2005, 04:08 PM
We have 2 of the Canine Equipment harnesses for our littler puller. But I have been threatening to get him the new NewTrix easyway collar - because of the part that goes over the nose - my guy is too much of a landscaper and yesterday he was in top form. There is an article in Toronto's magazine "City Dog", summer 2005 magazine written by a professional dog walker. I happened to come across this particular item and it also happens to be carried by my Eskie's groomer so I asked about it yesterday after the trip down "garbage row" - lots of green bins had been turned over. Turns out I know the writer of the article very well. Am going to ask her if maybe we should try it - actually I would prefer that she use it on the little monster - after all Mommy is Mommy! You can look at it at www.newtrix.ca.
I love the newtrix one. They don't even think about pulling, which is good when you want to relax a bit while you're walking. Boo doesn't like his nose being confined, but once he is distracted by the sights and smells he forgets all about it (but he doesn't pull!!) My dogs are choker trained but sometimes, I just don't feel like paying attention, and this way they don't take advantage when I'm not in the mood to care...

LoNScamp
September 24th, 2005, 04:47 PM
I love the newtrix one. They don't even think about pulling, which is good when you want to relax a bit while you're walking. Boo doesn't like his nose being confined, but once he is distracted by the sights and smells he forgets all about it (but he doesn't pull!!) My dogs are choker trained but sometimes, I just don't feel like paying attention, and this way they don't take advantage when I'm not in the mood to care...

I'm new to the forum and don't want to offend anyone or ruffle feathers but you are saying that your dogs are "choker trained" and that you use the newtrix when you don't want to pay attention.

Both the newtrix and the choke are meant to be training tools. If you have to "pay attention" when using the choke that would indicate that they are not "choker trained". Given that the choke doesn't appear to be effective for you and may cause damage to the dogs throat, why not use the newtrix until they learn not to pull period then switch over to a flat collar or harness? Neither head collars or chokes are meant to be permanent "collars".

Just in case you have guessed it already, I am not a fan of chokes. You may not fall into to the category of people who don't know how to use them properly, but most don't.

db7
September 24th, 2005, 07:04 PM
A flat collar and training. Everything else is a shortcut.

SnowDancer
September 24th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Prin, Eskie is going to be given a test drive with the NewTrix on Thurs. when he goes for his walk at socialization. He won't like it but will be more accommodating with professional dog walker than with Mommy - and with someone who has considerable experience putting the NewTrix on - the Canine Equipment harness is very easy to put on as long as the little devil doesn't want to play at the same time. If it helps I will get one, even just for his longer walks in the ravine. Today I bought some "S" hooks so that I could add his new Dog Licence tag and his Rabies Tags to his harness. Problem is he is a 2 harness - and maybe 3 - type of guy - guess the City doesn't recognize this. He has a name and phone number tag on each harness. Will report back on how he does - but I am expecting he will not go for it. He is just turning 18 months, but if he lives to be 17 which is possible, he will still be a puppy.

Prin
September 25th, 2005, 01:14 AM
I'm new to the forum and don't want to offend anyone or ruffle feathers but you are saying that your dogs are "choker trained" and that you use the newtrix when you don't want to pay attention.

Both the newtrix and the choke are meant to be training tools. If you have to "pay attention" when using the choke that would indicate that they are not "choker trained". Given that the choke doesn't appear to be effective for you and may cause damage to the dogs throat, why not use the newtrix until they learn not to pull period then switch over to a flat collar or harness? Neither head collars or chokes are meant to be permanent "collars".

Just in case you have guessed it already, I am not a fan of chokes. You may not fall into to the category of people who don't know how to use them properly, but most don't.
My dogs walk perfectly on a choker, or with a flat collar, or anything else. Don't assume a method is not working for somebody simply because you don't agree with it. A choker can be used completely safely and non-abusively.

I also trained my doggies to pull with sled dog harnesses. That doesn't mean I don't know how to use a choker either. Different tools give different results.

The difference between the newtrix and a choker or flat collar is that a dog can't lower its head to sniff things with the newtrix on. Walks go much smoother if a dog can't smell anything, but they aren't any fun for the dog that way either. They just walk beside you with their neck straight up with no distractions. I can get them to walk like that with a choker, but I have to be more involved (ie, maintain the dog's attention). But some days, I zone out. I completely zone out and I'm not up for a lot of interaction and my doggy would rather walk with me than stay home. That's where the newtrix comes in. ;)

If I have trouble training my dogs, I'll ask.

LoNScamp
September 25th, 2005, 10:27 AM
My dogs walk perfectly on a choker, or with a flat collar, or anything else. Don't assume a method is not working for somebody simply because you don't agree with it. A choker can be used completely safely and non-abusively.

I also trained my doggies to pull with sled dog harnesses. That doesn't mean I don't know how to use a choker either. Different tools give different results.

The difference between the newtrix and a choker or flat collar is that a dog can't lower its head to sniff things with the newtrix on. Walks go much smoother if a dog can't smell anything, but they aren't any fun for the dog that way either. They just walk beside you with their neck straight up with no distractions. I can get them to walk like that with a choker, but I have to be more involved (ie, maintain the dog's attention). But some days, I zone out. I completely zone out and I'm not up for a lot of interaction and my doggy would rather walk with me than stay home. That's where the newtrix comes in. ;)

If I have trouble training my dogs, I'll ask.


Ooooops, I offended you, sorry.

LavenderRott
September 25th, 2005, 10:38 AM
I have a martingale collar on my boxer and a flat collar on my pom. There are no chokers in my house, but my boxer does have his own force collar.

BullLover
September 25th, 2005, 08:44 PM
I use a gentle leader on my dogs. Once they are fine walking on a loose leash, they get switched over to a flat collar. However, your dog may hate it at first.