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Prin
August 20th, 2005, 02:57 PM
I'm opening a new thread to ask for a dog food forum- perhaps a sub-forum under the pet-health section, or just convert the recipe section into just a "Food" section... :)

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 20th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Okay here goes, hope I dont get blasted for this as I am not a dog food expert. Joeys former owner fed him Eukanuba lamb and rice and that is what I still feed him.

Is that good food or is there something better, I havent considered switching him as he is already six and is accustomed to this food. He also loves vegtables he ate a piece of asparagus tonight. He will also eat carrots, bananas, apples and grapes. He has not refused any food I have offered him yet. Which is all healthy no meatloaf, or sausages and only on occasion.

Prin
August 20th, 2005, 08:46 PM
LOL THIS is why we need a forum!!! :D

JEM, I would leave his diet be for a bit. He just had his life change completely- it's enough for now, especially if he is doing well on it. Maybe later on you can post another thread and get swamped with food ideas... :D

gdamadg
August 20th, 2005, 08:52 PM
I feed Sprint Pedigree Healthy Vitality Active Lifestyle Recipe. So far this is the only food that doesn't give him horrible gas, when my sister had him, she tried several different types.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 20th, 2005, 08:57 PM
Well thats good. I read on the other thread that Eukanuba is horrible and now I feel guilty as I do want the best for my little guy. We bought a huge bag of it so we will wait until it is gone before we make any changes or if we decide to make any changes. :)

Prin
August 20th, 2005, 09:02 PM
gdamadg- No offense, but nothing Pedigree makes is great food. If your dog doesn't do well on any of the good foods, then you have no choice, but if you ever want to move up, just ask and we'll refer you to some good foods.

JEM- My doggies were on Euk Lamb and rice before they went on Solid Gold. Jemma started getting ear infections so I switched. Even without the infections, after what I have learned about the horrible animal testing (torture is more fitting than testing) that Euk and Iams do, I could never support them. On top of that, Euk causes lameness and stiffness in some doggies, so watch out for that. :)


By the way, the change in coat shine and softness is INCREDIBLE with the solid gold. It's amazing. You think they're healthy, and then you realize they weren't.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 20th, 2005, 09:08 PM
Maybe I will see if I can try a small bag of Solid Gold to see what Joey thinks of it. I think his skin is dry because he does itch a bit, and the flea collars doesnt seem to be helping. :)

Prin
August 20th, 2005, 09:11 PM
They do give retailers tons of samples, so maybe you can pick up a few. :)

gdamadg
August 20th, 2005, 10:01 PM
Prin,

None taken, I only feed him that because that is what my sister fed him. I am checking out the local suppliers and seeing what is available in my area.

gdamadg
August 20th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Ok, instead of getting personal opinions from every one on what they think is the best food. We all have our own opinions, especially the "professionals". Maybe a lil scientific proof, instead of heresay.

First is a link with an extensive list of Dog Food Company's. You can research and compare.
http://www.sleddogcentral.com/dogfood.htm

Here is a good list of comparisons, not all the company's are there, but most.
http://www.flintriverranch.org/comparison.html

This is a good one too, from the US FDA.
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/petlabel.htm

Prin
August 21st, 2005, 02:04 AM
They are personal opinions to a point. I don't think anybody would want to feed animal by-products if they knew it meant decaying carcasses. I don't think anybody would feed brewer's rice if they ever took one smell of it.

But, science does show that carnivores do not digest corn well, and as a result need far more added supplements in order to obtain proper health. More supplements mean more synthetic vitamins and inorganic metals, which means more health trouble, especially in the form of kidney stones which can cause UT blockages (***especially in male cats), etc, not to mention that a LOT of dogs do become allergic to corn, wheat and rice and develop secondary infections as a result.

Science always says that the best way to get the nutrients we need is by natural means, not supplements, so why would we feed a food that is only empty calories and full of supplements? Doesn't make sense. That's like a human eating only white bread and taking a few multivitamins a day. I doubt any human would stay healthy long on a diet like that. That is basically what these corn foods are.

Feed a diet that contains more good meat, and you'll get a healthier dog. That's not an opinion.

gdamadg
August 21st, 2005, 11:25 AM
Feed a diet that contains more good meat, and you'll get a healthier dog. That's not an opinion.

The only way you can get a high quality dog food that you know what is in it, is for you to make it yourself. All dog food as preservatives and suppliments in it.

Another good diet for your dog is BARF(Raw). But when you feed a dog a raw meaty bone, it may bury it and then come back to it when it is "ripe". That would no longer be good meat for human consumption. As well most using this diet feed their dogs, chicken backs or carcasses after the meat has been removed for human consumption. And these animals still require suppliments.

If you look at the food you feed your pets, it contains "exotics" and therefore pay for it. Bison, Salmon or Lamb. These are expensive for you to eat and it shows in the expense of the kibble. Not everyone could afford this.

I am not disagreeing with what you said, just disagreeing with you pushing a single type of food, because that is what you use. That is the same as if you went to a breeder to get a puppy, and they recommend a food. Because they use it. If you read anything on some of those links I provided, you would see. The USFDA site teaches you how to read Pet Food Labels.

It is better to educate and let every one make their own opinions, then to push yours.

Puppyluv
August 21st, 2005, 01:02 PM
Since Prin already gave her endorsement for Solid Gold, it's my turn: Layla's on Wellness Fish and Sweet Potato, and we both LOVE it, or rather, she loves to eat it, and I love the benefits of it. Her coat is sooo much softer and shinier, she sheds less, her poops are under control (she used to be going 6 times a day) she has way more energy (not Always a good thing :evil: ) and she doesn't smell!!
The only complaint I could think of is that the stuff reaks. Especially in the morning when you haven't eaten.... oooo man.... :eek:

gdamadg
August 21st, 2005, 03:11 PM
The only complaint I could think of is that the stuff reaks. Especially in the morning when you haven't eaten.... oooo man....

LOL, that's just it, people have to remember that dog's are not human and what is appealing to them is different from us.

As well they are able to digest food that would not be fit for human consumption. And it is still good for them and won't harm an animal. Typically carnivores eat decaying meat as the bacteria has already started to break down the enzymes. Easier to digest and get the benefits of nutrients.

But, science does show that carnivores do not digest corn well, and as a result need far more added supplements in order to obtain proper health.
not to mention that a LOT of dogs do become allergic to corn, wheat and rice and develop secondary infections as a result.

Prin, can you digest corn? We can't digest it properly either. Corn is not the only thing in these foods and only in small amounts. If you browse the link I added to the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine, it states what can and cannot be put in Pet food.
Solid Gold contains wheat and rice, depending on which type. Wolf King, contains brown rice. We can develope allergies to a lot of things too. There is nothing you can do to prevent this, it just happens. Just as some animals can not digest meat. You just have to keep an eye on your pet and how it reacts to different foods.

Prin
August 21st, 2005, 03:52 PM
How can I endorse a food my dogs don't eat? (unless I'm paid to do so, of course) I recommend it because I know the dogs love it, I know it makes their fur shiny, I know it is a quality food, etc.

I can't wholeheartedly recommend Wellness because Jemma was on it before we got her and she suffered through one meal a day instead of two because she hated it so much.

Doesn't it make sense?

In most of the threads where I do talk about food, I do list the websites of all the other dog food companies that I agree with, not just solid gold. But I have to say, if a dog is having trouble getting through a meal, I do strongly recommend Wolf King, just because it is so tasty. Dogs ravage it.

Yes, some dogs are allergic to meat, but not nearly as many as are allergic to wheat or corn. In a way, there is a way to prevent it. If things are horribly hard to digest or things are just not naturally in the diet of the animal and you give them large quantities of it every day, chances are their bodies will react to it.

Yes, it is the same in humans. The difference is, we control what we eat, while we are responsible for what our pets eat. I know a lot of dogs who eat far better than their owners do (including mine).

You also forget that while better foods are more expensive, they end up costing the same if not less in the long run. I feed almost half of what I was feeding on Eukanuba and the food is certainly not double the price. Plus, I used to have to take a trip to the vet every MONTH, and now I go maybe twice a year with one or both of the doggies. They are simply healthier, have more energy, and more life in them.

So yes, I will recommend the food they are on. As will others, like Puppyluv. Every dog is different, every owner will recommend the food.

Puppyluv
August 21st, 2005, 04:15 PM
Oh I hope I wasn't misunderstood. I totally agree with your support of Solid Gold, I just can't get it ver easily. because I'm a slave to the metro, and the pet stores near me don't carry it.

I think it's great that you're so eager to share info on good dog foods, if it weren't for this board, Layla would be eating "crap" for dinner

gdamadg
August 21st, 2005, 04:16 PM
I did not ask you to endorse any other food. I gave some information for others to make their own educated decisions. Like you said every dog is different.

I am not entirely happy with Sprint eating Pedigree. It is not a "bad" food, but it is not the "best" food. He is healthy and active, and only needs to see the vet twice a year. But, I am thinking of switching him to Eagle Pack. I eat nothing but the best, so why not him.

You also forget that while better foods are more expensive, they end up costing the same if not less in the long run.

I make pretty good money and can afford to feed him "high quality" food, but it is not an instant thing. Research and transition are necessary. But it all goes into availability and price for most. But I am also a firm believer that if you can barely provide for yourself, then you can not provide for a pet.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 21st, 2005, 09:36 PM
I think I will check out the solid gold food next time I am at the petstore at the moment we have a huge bag of Eukanuba thats going to take a while to get through. There is also a place called Darford Industires here that make dogfood I am going to do some research and see what they have to offer for my Joey. http://www.darford.com/testimonials.htm
I dont know much about it but if it is better than what I am feeding. I may consider switching. I would also be supporting local bussiness as well. :)

Prin
August 21st, 2005, 11:27 PM
I think Darford is only cookies... ;) To be honest they were the first cookies I tried on Boo after his chicken problem and they gave both my doggies diarrhea... There are like nuts in them that they don't digest at all... :eek:

I think this one is from BC... Amore Dog food... (http://www.amorepetfoods.com/) They make some sort of doggy raw diet. :)

Shaykeija
August 22nd, 2005, 12:43 AM
I feed Sophie and Missie, Dick Van Pattens duck and potato. They love it. Missie is such a fussy eater before I started them on this, now she eats like a little piggy. Sophies allergies are now under control. After many food trials with her, we discovered she has a wheat allergy. Sophies breeder fed them Purina.. :eek: . I got her off that stuff fast.

StaceyB
August 22nd, 2005, 01:14 AM
JCM- Grapes can cause kidney failure in dogs and it is unknown how many injested will do this so just don't feed any.

It is the yellow part of corn that is not digestable. The white part(gluten) is.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 22nd, 2005, 08:39 AM
Thank you for that tidbit Stacey B, I will not give him grapes anymore. He only had one about a week ago, and seems okay. Isn't there a thread on here somewhere that says what dogs can and cannot have?

gdamadg
August 22nd, 2005, 09:04 AM
StaceyB,

Thank you for clarifying the corn digesting. I knew what it was, just couldn't put it into words.

Prin
August 22nd, 2005, 02:26 PM
Thank you for that tidbit Stacey B, I will not give him grapes anymore. He only had one about a week ago, and seems okay. Isn't there a thread on here somewhere that says what dogs can and cannot have?
Here's a couple:
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15646&highlight=grapes
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=9591&highlight=grapes
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=13613&highlight=grapes
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=12377&highlight=grapes (one about grapes with a couple of links)
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=10576&highlight=grapes
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=9908&highlight=grapes (foods that are not safe for Cats)

Basically just search for grapes. They seem to be mentioned in every thread about which foods are good and bad for doggies.

marko
August 22nd, 2005, 04:36 PM
This seems like a good idea. I will discuss with Dave (the other Admin) and either reply back or implement it straight up.

Thanks

Marko

coppperbelle
August 22nd, 2005, 08:49 PM
Not everyone has the time nor the patience to go through tons of information trying to disect dog food ingredients.
A few years ago I was feeding Iams. My dogs did fine on it and I even had one golden that lived to 13 years old. 11 of those years she ate Iams. She always had ear infections and her fur was never soft until I switched her at 11 to another food. She passed away in October at 13 years old from heart failure.
In December/January I began searching for a new food for my two other goldens. I came across some great dog foods but not all were available near where I live. I spoke to many people including breeders and decided on Solid Gold. My decision was based on ingredients, affordability, accessibility and recommendations from people who were feeding this particular food. Why not share this information with those that ask for it? I for one am happy to.
I fully understand that not everyone can afford to feed Solid Gold so when I am asked I do recommend other brands that are cheaper but still have good indredients.
Months ago while grocery shopping at Loblaws I noticed a huge bag of Pedigree. I have never fed this food but decided out of curiousity to read the ingredients. I can tell you that I will never recommend this food to anyone.

gdamadg
August 22nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
Copperbelle,

I wouldn't have chosen Pedigree but I just got Sprint and he is still transitioning into a new home. And that is what my sister fed him. He is healthy and deemed so by a vet. I am looking for a new food for him and in time will transition him to what ever I choose. I have spoken to many people, including vets and breeders that say Pedigree is a good food for its price range. Better than some of the choices on the market.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 22nd, 2005, 10:37 PM
Prin, I was just on the Solid Gold website. I can find the food for large dogs, dogs up to 20 pounds, and senior dog that dont excercise. I cant find one suitable for Joey he is about 27 pounds 6 years old and moderatley active. I am hoping to increase his activity level once I see whats it going on with his panting thing. Is there one for his size and activity level.

gdamadg
August 22nd, 2005, 10:59 PM
Joey.E.CockersMommy,

The food I am looking at to switch Sprint to is Eagle Pack Power. They have many different formulas. Probably the Original Adult or Maintenance formula would suit Joey.

Eagle Pack (http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/for_your_dog.html)

Prin
August 22nd, 2005, 11:35 PM
What about the beef one? It's harder to find though.
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=5&code=150
The hund'n'flocken isn't as tasty as the wolf king, but it's for "moderately active dogs"...
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=1&code=100
This one is from Merrick- it looks good and you still have the fish in it that will help the coat-- http://www.merrickpetcare.com/store/detail.php?c=14&s=20279
I think this one would be pretty easy to find and would be great too:
Wellness Fish and sweet potato (http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/dogs/wellness_detail.asp?pCode=dryDogSup5MixSwtPot)

The "Ocean Blue" food from Timberwolf Organics might be really hard to find, but it looks good too:
http://www.timberwolforganics.com/

This eagle pack one looks ok... I asked the representative a couple of years ago if they were going to have fish ones (Boo is very intolerant to all poultry) and he said no. Well, I guess his "no" meant "I'm not sure". :rolleyes:
http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/ep_fish_oatmeal.html
If my doggies stop doing well on Solid Gold, I'm going with that one. ;) I prefer the fishy ones (despite the smell) because of what they do for the fur. It's incredible.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 22nd, 2005, 11:59 PM
Thank you. I am going to go check out both these brands at Total Pet next time I am there. They both seem very good, much better than Eukanuba!

coppperbelle
August 23rd, 2005, 08:00 AM
Copperbelle,

I wouldn't have chosen Pedigree but I just got Sprint and he is still transitioning into a new home. And that is what my sister fed him. He is healthy and deemed so by a vet. I am looking for a new food for him and in time will transition him to what ever I choose. I have spoken to many people, including vets and breeders that say Pedigree is a good food for its price range. Better than some of the choices on the market.

Vets and breeders often receive compensation for recommending a particular brand of food. Here are the ingredients of Pedigree.
INGREDIENTS

GROUND YELLOW CORN, CHICKEN BY-PRODUCT MEAL, MEAT AND BONE MEAL, CORN GLUTEN MEAL, ANIMAL FAT (PRESERVED WITH BHA/BHT), RICE, NATURAL POULTRY FLAVOR, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, WHEAT FLOUR, VEGETABLE OIL, WHEAT GLUTEN, CARAMEL COLOR, CALCIUM CARBONATE, TAURINE*, VITAMINS (DL-ALPHA TOCOPHEROL ACETATE [SOURCE OF VITAMIN E], CHOLINE CHLORIDE, L-ASCORBYL-2-POLYPHOSPHATE [SOURCE OF VITAMIN C*], VITAMIN A ACETATE, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], D-CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT, RIBOFLAVIN SUPPLEMENT [VITAMIN B2], BIOTIN, VITAMIN B12 SUPPLEMENT), MARIGOLD MEAL (SOURCE OF LUTEIN*), TRACE MINERALS (ZINC SULFATE, COPPER SULFATE, POTASSIUM IODIDE).

It is a personal choice to feed this food but if I am asked what I think about it, I will be honest. I can understand your waiting until Sprint has become accustomed to his new home before you do a food switch.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 23rd, 2005, 09:33 AM
Shaykeija=
I feed Sophie and Missie, Dick Van Pattens duck and potato

Is this the actor Dick Van Patten from the former eight is enough show back in the 70's :) :D

What great info here! I only wish I didn't have a huge bag of Pukanuba sitting on our counter. Maybe I can mix it together with one of these other ones until it is all gone, then switch.

Does anyone no what the price difference is between the two foods or some of the better quality foods.

kandy
August 23rd, 2005, 02:16 PM
Our breeder had us feeding Pedigree (one of her family dogs is used in their advertising). After our first newf died of kidney failure and I found this site, I started researching dog foods based on some of the threads I saw here. When we were ready to get our current newf, while talking to the breeder, I discovered that she was actually supplementing her dog's food with lots of other things (meat mostly). I spoke to her about different dog foods and emailed her some links to the ones I was considering. She agreed to let me feed whatever I chose.

Hazel has been on Solid Gold - WolfCub Puppy formula and has been doing great. It took a while for her to adjust to it but she loves it. It isn't available in my area, so I order it online.

Dogs are carnivores and should be fed accordingly. If you google on Dog Food, or Canine nutrition, you'll come up with lots and lots of reading material to make an informed choice from.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 23rd, 2005, 05:57 PM
http://www.petcurean.com/products.html

took a trip to Total pet today. They dont sell Solid Gold but another petstore in town does. We were given a sample of Go natural. The first two ingredients are Chicken meal Chicken meat and whole brown rice, I might just put some in his kong to give him a little taste of it.

Prin
August 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
Just be careful because the kcal/cup is double that of Solid gold- you might end up with a fatty very quickly if you're not careful. ;)

mastifflover
August 23rd, 2005, 07:14 PM
Well I thought I would add my 2 cents to this topic. I have found a few simple rules to buying dog food or cat food for that matter. If you can buy it in a grocery store or your corner store, don't buy it, low quality is pretty much guaranteed. It will usually be a bag of filler (corn, soya, brewers rice, etc.) None of those ingredients will do anything beneficial for your dog. I know you might be saying I can't afford those expensive foods but when you feed these high quality foods you do not have to feed them nearly as much because it is all nutrition not garbage filler. But I will recommend a food that I have been using with good results Kirkland Series Chicken and Rice sold at Costco and mad by Diamond good ingredients and very cheap 22.00 a 40 pound bag. I was buying a food with almost the exact ingredients and paying 50.00 a bag. They have actually increased the line to include puppy and more active dogs. I own a very large couch potato so I can not tell you about the one for more active dogs. They also have it in Lamb and Rice and its something like 2.00 more a bag. I also buy all my supplements there MSM, fish oil etc. at half the price. Definitley worth the cost of membership. Solid Gold and Wellness are both excellent food but for me they are to costly I am feeding a 160 pound dog so it can be rather expensive but if I could I would use Wellness.
Maybe I will see if I can try a small bag of Solid Gold to see what Joey thinks of it. I think his skin is dry because he does itch a bit, and the flea collars doesnt seem to be helping. This is probably caused by the soya and corn huge allergens for dogs. You could also switch the flea collar to a eucalyptus based one much easier on the dogs and fleas hate the smell.

coppperbelle
August 23rd, 2005, 08:03 PM
I forget about this food. I read the ingredients of the lamb and rice formula many months ago and agree that it has good ingredients. This is a great option for those who do not or cannot feed a more expensive food like Wellness or Solid Gold.

What is so wonderful by posts such as this is that people are able to become informed. I for one would want to know that I will get better value and quality from a Kirkland food than I would with a Pedigree food. The price per bag is aslo similar.
Pedigree has some great commercials for their foods and they are all during prime time tv. I would rather they saved their advertising bucks and put better ingredients in their food.

coppperbelle
August 23rd, 2005, 08:05 PM
[QUOTE=Joey.E.CockersMommy]Shaykeija=


Is this the actor Dick Van Patten from the former eight is enough show back in the 70's :) :D

Yes it is the Dick Van Patten the actor. The food has excellent ingredients. If you do a search for Dick Van Patten Natural Balance you will get to their web site.

Prin
August 23rd, 2005, 08:14 PM
oh yeah, the huge companies with the worst foods have the best commercials.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 23rd, 2005, 08:37 PM
re: Go natural, the lady at the pet store said she fed her dog 1/2 the amount and he was full.

We still need to try some other samples though. :) He wasnt totally crazy about the Go natural.

Prin
August 23rd, 2005, 08:45 PM
Yeah... I'd keep going. It also has the same 42% protein as Innova and from what I have heard, some dogs get really sick on innova (Heeler's Rock swears by it though).

Joey.E.CockersMommy
August 23rd, 2005, 08:48 PM
I was just wondering who makes the Kirkland food, I am sure I have seen it in Stores. Just trying to get to there web site to check them out. :)

Prin
August 23rd, 2005, 08:50 PM
I think they said Diamond dog foods, but I'm not sure.

mastifflover
August 24th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Kirkland is made by Diamond. Nice to be able to not spend a fortune and still feed good quality food, not a bag of filler.

marko
August 24th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Ok members,

Dog food sub forum is open. It is located off the recipes for pets - recipes for humans forum.

This very thread is being moved there now.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Marko

marko
August 24th, 2005, 01:53 PM
This thread has several topics going at once -

Given that there is now this new dog food forum, should this thread be closed so that subsequent topics can get their own threads to make it easier to follow?

Thanks

Marko