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chewing back, losng hair

August 14th, 2005, 07:03 PM
I have s hih tzu who keeps scratching and chewing her back to the point of her losing hair. She was groomed 2 weeks ago and I cannot find a flea on her. (also, just finishing heat)It is getting worse and I will take her to the vet a.s.a.p but I thought that I would ask on here.

Thank you

August 14th, 2005, 07:30 PM
If this began after her grooming it is quite possible that she is having an allergic reaction to the products that were used. They also may not have washed them off completely. I would bath her and rinse very well(make sure all product is gone), towel dry, and then blow dry and brush on cool setting. You don't want to leave her wet. It also may be a good idea to have the vet prescribe something to clear up the irritation that is there. I highly doubt it is fleas. If you wanted to check turn her over and look between her back legs where there is little hair, if she were to have fleas you would notice them there. There are anti-itch sprays out there but they should not be put on open wounds. Call your groomer to find out what products were used on her and have them mark on her file not to use them again. What you have described sounds like an allergy so if this began before the grooming it will be a matter of finding the source of the allergy. They can be allergic to the same things as us including food.

August 14th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Could she be allergic to the products used by your groomer?

Interesting name you got there...

August 15th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Ty guys! Well, My DH took her to the vet today and the vet looked at her and said fleas. Wayne told them that I gave her a bath last night so the vet said that thats why they didn't see any but they were sure thats what it is. Oh well. So they gave her some pills for her back to help woth the hair loss/itching and then prescribed advantage for her as well.

August 15th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Well it is good that you have something to clear it up. Did you see any fleas when you gave him a bath last night.

August 15th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Did you say, Advantage?

(from another site)
Advantage/Advantix considered unsafe for pets Advantage Flea product: how safe or how toxic is it?

Used Advantage on my cat and shes sick

Hi, last week I used the usual Advantage for cats on my Harley, and it was even one third the dose, because I use one vial on 3 cats. She was sick by that evening, wouldn't eat, acted like she was barfing even if she drank water. She soon quit eating at all, and for 3 days it was touch and go. Luckily she is chubby, so she had some fat on her to live off of. I spent 180$ in tests at the vet, and they hydrated her, and sent her home with no answers.

She hadnt pottied or eaten for 3 days. She looked horrible. I managed to find some soft treats by a natural cat food company that she finally ate one a few days ago. On the 5th day she ate a few more. I really think they saved her life. She finally drank a little water on the 6th day and eats a few bites of food here and there. She still is in the same spot, sleeps all day and rarely moves. I can tell she still doesnt feel well. But at least she is eating. Very little pottying at all.

Vet says its very rare if it was the drops. I know it was. She might have licked them to much somehow... I have no idea. Just telling you to be careful She is 9 years old. I have used the drops for years, and always noticed they act so tired for a day or so after I use them. We never know, for sure how safe these things are, but if it kills fleas, it might become harmful if they are too young or too old.
Mary Ann lost her beloved bearded collie 'Kaimen' as a result of using Advantage Flea Drops. "Advantage flea drops were recomended by my veteranarian to control Kaimens flea problems. The drops were placed on the back of his head in the nape of the neck. After using Advantage for 13 months a growth the size of a golf ball emerged in that very same spot where the Advantage flea drop were placed. The growth was made of a grey colored flesh with a putrid odor. A purulent putrid liquid oozed out of it. Kaimen was taking to the vet, where I learned more about the growth and just how deadly Advantage is to our pets. The pesticide that is used in Advantage is called lmidacloprid and should NOT be absorbed through the skin. I learned that dogs and rats who were used to test this pesticide developped thyroid cancer and it affected their appetite. My dog Kaimen died at the age of two as a resuslt of using Advantage which caused a tumerous cancer to develop in his neck and which metastasized in his brain. I sent Bayer, the maker of Advantage, a letter with a return receipt but they never bothered to reply to my letter."
A friend used Advantage on his dog who got sick from it. He stopped using it and the dog recovered.

I am posting this message on any/all message boards as I can find. I am trying to spread the word about using K9 Advantix on your dog. My husband and I were given this product from our vet a few months ago. We have a ten month Golden Retriever that weighs 55lbs. The first two doses were fine. On the third dose we noticed that she began breaking out in sores on her face and along her neck. We were switching dog foods at the time and thought this might be the cause (since she had no prior reactions the first two administrations). We brought her to our vet who diagnosed her with a secondary skin infection. She said it could be an allergy to anything- most likely something in her new food. She gave us a round of antibiotics and never even suggested it could be due to the Advantix. One month later we put the Advantix on again. This time it was far worse- as though her body just could not tolerate this again. Within 36 hours we had to bring her to the vet. Our's was on vacation so we called around to others in the area. After describing her symptoms (severe scratching at the ears, leaking of puss behind the ears and swelling along the throat and neck) they asked if we had given her Advantix recently. We said yes and we were old to bring her in immediately. She was having a severe reaction to this and she almost died. They had to sedate her and they shaved around her ears and neck to expose the affected area. We were shocked at what we saw. In addition to her neck being about five times its normal size, her skin was literally burned from the Advantix. You could see where we had administered the Advantix at the base of the skull because there was a burn hole. Then you could see the path that the liquid took down both sides of her face down to her neck and throat. It had literally burned her skin right off. She had a major infection in these areas that had also crept into her ears and her right eye.
The next 24 hours were awful. We stayed up with her all night and were not sure she was going to make it. It has been about a week now and she is almost fully recovered. The company that manufactures this drug will only acknowledge that in rare occasions, some dogs to have a "sensitivity" to this. Although, they gave us little resistance to reimbursing for our vet bills. (We also learned, via a middle of the night phone call to our emergency vet clinic, that there was another dog going through this very experience- they thought we were the same people).
Since then, I have been reading other people's experiences with Advantix on various message boards. It does not appear that these reactions are as "rare" as the company claims them to be. (I also think they have a very distorted version of what a "sensitivity" or "minor reaction" really is).
I am writing this because had we known that this was even a possibility- we never would have put one drop of this on our dog. Our hope, since the company takes no formal responsibility in better communicating the risks associated with Advantix that someone may read this and spare themselves and their dog, the agony of this experience.
If you are reading this and you have experienced similar effects from using Advantix on your dog, PLEASE contact the Environmental Protection Agency. They are required to investigate every complaint against this product. Who knows, if enough cases are documented, they may take this awful poison of the market in the future and spare the health and lives of other dogs."