Need help in regards to my new puppy

Hello all, I have recently purchased a miniature schnauzer salt and pepper... He is now 8 months old and I adopted him in January. I have never owned a puppy before but I am now madly in love with my little treasure "Malcolm" When I purchased him, I had no understanding really about registration etc. Yesterday I went back to where I adopted him, I guess it would be called a back yard breeder, and I met the mom and grandmom of my Malcolm. At the time of sale I decided I wouldnt buy his papers. He is now neutered, and very healthy. I asked the Breeder about his papers as I thought I might like to have them. He does have a breeder tatto on his belly, and even though I will not stud him and I dont think I would even show him, I still thought it would be wonderful to have his papers showing his linage and such. Speaking to the breeder she says it costs about 250 dollars to get his papers now that he is 8 months old. When I went to the ckc site I saw that it only costs 32 dollars to register him. Perhaps it is more if you register him late, but at the time she did tell me he was registered but it would be more for his papers and now wishes to charge me 250 dollars. I could use some advice to find out if that truly is a reasonable price to acquire his registration papers. Thank you for your help.

You can't stud or show him if he is fixed.

I say fishy fishy fishy to me.

Not a reputable breeder or they would have given you the registration papers when you purchased the dog.

Thank you I didnt realize that, but is it still possible to get his registration papers?

Yes I think its fishy also, but at the time I didnt have a clue... but he is a healthy happy lil guy and I love him to death... so all is good

Marilyn

Contact CKC as I don't think you would get the truth from the breeder, scam artist.

Be very wary of any papers that you may get / recieve from this so called breeder BYB as u put it...I've come across many mills and byb's that produce fraudulent documents and make them 'look' authentic if you know what I mean.

Would love to see a picture of your doggie and yes I'm sure you just love him to death :D

I would love to post a few pictures of my lil beauty I will have to get some up later today. I just emailed CKC and hopefully they can guide me. but when it comes down to it... I will just love my darling papers or not.. Grins, yes I have turned into a big suck with my puppy. I now see why dog owners would pay out so much to keep their puppys healthy. Before I thought all dog ownners where nuts.. but I have leapt onto the band wagon... Grins :pawprint:

Before I thought all dog ownners where nuts.

We are! Or maybe I should speak for myself only!http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/silly-mashuganah2.gif

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It is ILLEGAL for a breeder to "sell you papers" for your dog. All purebred CKC Registered dogs in Canada must be sold for the same price whether you get the papers or not.

Call the CKC and report the breeder! And call the breeder and DEMAND YOUR papers!

[COLOR=DarkGreen]It is ILLEGAL for a breeder to "sell you papers" for your dog.

Exactly.

Not only that,but under the CKC pedigree act,it is illegal to sell puppies without papers.All registration is done by the breeder.The pupies are registered at birth,then they are registered one by one.When you buy the pup,the breeder then fills out the papers and the pup is put in YOUR name along with the breeders name and addy.And the Sires name is on it.And there is no added fee on your part.

This so called breeder probably didn't fill out the papers.And the price is not $250.

My question to you is,are both parents registered?If not,then you cannot have yours registered.Both parents must be registered for you to register yours.

And yes....Pics PLEASE...... :D

Well I was told that both parents were registered and that the tatoo GT 911 was his breeder tatto. But given what I know now versus what I knew then, I certainly wouldnt lay money on it.

I have enclosed a few pics of my Malcolm. He has just been a perfect dog. I got him at 6 weeks old and we crated him from that first night... He has always slept through the whole night. He now sleeps with us.. Malcolm in the Middle you bet.. but he still likes going into his crate during the day at times. We started with puppy piddle pads and we have never had to clean up a mess of poop or pee. about three weeks after we got him, he decided to go outside for the first time, and since then has never gone inside or had an accident. He brings his leash to me when he needs to go out. How I managed to be this lucky with my first puppy ever is beyond me. We went to puppy kindergarten more for me then Malcolm .. I found it wonderful though. He has been lucky also that the neighbour has a lil ****zu bichon cross who is a few months older then Malcolm and they play every day together.. We take them every day to the park where they run and run and run, roll and tumble and wrestle. They play hard for at least an hour... maybe thats why he sleeps through the night. :D I heard that minature schnauzer's had a horrid horrid bark, so I had picked up a bark collar (which I prompltly returned unused after reading the board)... but I have been lucky he just doesnt bark no matter how many dogs kids people etc are around. The only time he barks is when we are playing. We took him for his first camping trip last weekend. I spent about 15 min walking the site with him... and he seemed to get the boundaries and he did not once the whole weekend wander off the site. I guess he figured the campsite was his home, so he would bring me the leash to take him to poop and pee, he wouldnt go on his own site. He loves wearing clothes and will go get something hop up on my lap and wait tell I put it on him. Then he is happy. He even has muscle shirts for the hot weather. I can not believe just how much joy this little guy is bringing to me, I would never have believed you could love a creature this much. I dont think he knows he is a dog though so dont tell him K! :angel:

I think I can only post one pic at a time so will do a few.... cant resist showing off my pup.. Thanks again all.

Marilyn and Malcolm

Another Pic

Would you believe another... grins

One more of my baby

I forgot how cute he was until I went looking at pics

He loves his daddy toooo!

:crazy: Ok I promise this is the last one for now.... you have created a monster should never had told me I could post pics... grins :evil:

Well thankya for all the pictures. He is such a cutie pie and all dressed up...to go to a pupcake party hahaha!!

Very nice pictures :D

You are very lucky to get such a good dog from such disreputable backyard breeders, who sell puppies at 6 weeks old (illegal in many places) and tried to sell you registration papers.

Malcolm (love the name!) is utterly adorable!! :D

OMG

What a cutie patootie. ;)

This is definately a BYB....No reputable breeder would sell their pups at 6 weeks.. :mad: :evil:

Oh I know that bark...LOL..

A neighbour up the street from my dads has one.And man can Joey bark..And it's a high pitch yappy bark..LOL

I was not aware of that.... I actually got him right on the day of 6 weeks. The more I am learning the more I realize you should find your pet through a reputable breeder. I do feel very lucky that I got Malcolm and he is healthy and happy. I am wondering if this byb is doing this all the time I would hate to see someone else get snowed and I worry now about those other puppies. The mom of Malcolms is pregant again. When we got him it wasnt that it was cheaper to get it him from her.... just that I fell in love with him. My husband (of one year) has had several dogs over the years so I kind of figured he knew what he was doing.
Thanks

Marilyn :pawprint:

That is too soon, she shouldn't have bred mom again that soon. Sounds like the breeder is just out for the buck.

I am wondering if this byb is doing this all the time.

Oh big time they are.You were not the only one.

BYB's do not care about their pups,they are in it for the money.And thats all.They do not do any health or genetis testing.

Reputable breeders usually sent their pups home between 8-12 weeks.
Reputable breeders also show and title their dogs.

My dogs came from a reputable breeder.

I was put on a waiting list before the Dam was bred.
Her dogs were Show Champions and Titled in SchH III(Shutzhund)
I got them at 12 weeks.
Both Sire and Dam where OFA,OVC certified.
She belonged to the German Shepherd Club of Canada
She took back any pups for one reason or another
I was put on a neuter contract.I had to have them neutured at 6 months and had to show proof from my vet.If I went against the contract,I would have been fined $5000.
I recieved my CKC papers when they were 6 months old.I picked them up from the breeder.There is absalutely no extra fee for this.

See the difference between the 2 breeders?

You can also find your pet at the shelter or a breed rescue..... :)

BUT,if you do decide on a breeder,you need to do a ton of research on them.

I just scanned this but you definitely went to a byb - reputable breeders have long waiting lists and will mentor you in showing your dog. A dog who is neutered cannot be shown except in the Pets category.

The best place to find good breeders is at dog shows (or cats at cat shows and by talking with reputable breeders.) Anyone can buy registration papers - they are for the most part meaningless. You need to have the riggt papers and the pedigree.

Sorry you had to learn this the hard way but at least your little one is healthy. Many who buy from byb's have unhealthy dogs or kittens with no knowledge of the background or genetics.

Also, (just read about the [puppy's mom being pregnant so soon, yikes!!!!), NO reputable breeder would do that. At most, a dog has puppies once a year and then is retired after maybe 3 yrs. There are so many diseases that unspayed females are suscepitble to that good breeders are very careful.

Also, you would pay more for a dog who is uneutered because that would mean you might be breeding in which case you need to pay for breeding rights. In my case, I bought a show quality Siamese cat not because I planned to show her tho she was the one I wanted. She was twice the cost of the pet quality kitten in her same litter because she was almost perferct for the breed standard , ie show quality. So, if you dog is show quality, that is again costlier.

unreal that these breeders do this, and I see the huge difference between the two. She didnt even ask anything about me our home what we would be giving him, nothing. The only quarentee she gave me (didnt realize any breeder would guarentee him) was I could bring him back for a full refund as long as it was in the next 48 hours. We took him that day to the Vet and Malcolm has been throughly checked, blood tests done, neutered, microchipped, tattoed and fortunately for us.. he is very healthy but I sure see now the risk in dealing with byb... If I ever again get a puppy again I will go through a reputable breeder... but that would be way way in future. I am very happy with just Malcolm

Thanks
Marilyn and Malcolm :mad:

I have never planned on showing him... so having him neutered is all good. I actually went just to hopefully get his papers out of interest... would like to see his linage. I pretty much love having a spoilt puppy but a well behaved one.. chuckles

What is involved in showing a dog... (pet category)

Thanks
Marilyn and Malcolm :pawprint:

I only know about showing cats (and even there, I am more spectator). But I am fostering two lovely Sphynx who have won many awards. I actually spayed my show quality Siamese - she is happier and healthier for it.

Showing is a world of its own and there are many web sites and prob some members here who can tell you more about dogs. With cats, you need to register for shows and the cat should enjoy it. You meet other neat cat people (dog people in your case, lol). There are many categories and cats acquire rosettes for Best of Breed, Best of Show, etc. I think it is more involved with dogs - With cats, judges assess their breed standard but dogs have to be walked by their trainer or owner in front of judges and go thru hoops - figuratively speaking and maybe literally - can't recall, lol

Most reputable breeders are extremely picky about who their adopt to and their contract stipulates that if anything happens to the cat (or dog), they want the animal back. With pet quality, you usually acquire the sgo already neutered or the contract states it must be done and a good breeder will check up on you.

Most good breeders will work with new dog owners to help them. And you never pay for registration papers- they come with the dog at the time od purchase. You should report this person to the BB and other reputable dog agencies. How did you find her?

Here is a web site about showing dogs:

http://www.showdogsupersite.com/

and it contains a fairly good article on the difference between good and bad breeders:

http://showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/k9journal/k9j001.html

By the way,that tattoo should have 3 letters and 3 numbers.Not 2 letters.

As for lineage of Malcom,good luck.I see you didn't even get pedigree papers.

Alot is involved with showing your dog.I have a friend of the family who has just pointed his Afghan to Champion.He never hired a handler,he did it on his own.

I also have a friend who has a Champion Dobe,but has since retired him.

A member on here,Shannon is showing her Alaskan Malamute Kenzie.I'm sure she will be happy to answer any of your questions.... :)

CK,unfortunately there is nothing you can do about BYB's.And there is no one you can contact.BYB is not illegal unfortunately.

I'm sure Marilyn is just happy to have her Malcom healthy and happy.... :)

Well we found him advertised in the paper and went out to see them... Her home was immaculte puppies looked happy and clean. Hmmm you know I never even met Malcolms Mom or Dad until Sat we went out for a drive and decided to stop in and ask about his papers. She has never once asked us about Jim, Me, my home, the puppy wether I would be showing neutering or anything at all.

We had him neutred ourselves once he was old enough knowing it was far healthier for him.

I would probably never show him, but when we went to puppy kindergarten she had a very small agility section up.. very low to the ground and such so as not to put stress on him while he is growing.. He loved that to bits, especially the tunnel he couldnt get enough so when he is old enough I think I will find some agility for him, just so he can have fun with it.

Boy I am sure learning alot in these last two days, I dont think the byb did anything as she should have.

Thanks
Marilyn and Malcolm :pawprint:

It might be GTO11 but it really does look more like a GT911. So is it possible then that even the tatto on his belly could be false.

Marilyn and Malcolm :pawprint:

Nope the number on his belly is GT911 so not even the right amount of letters and numbers. Bangs my head against my desk and just has to laugh at myself... and yes all I care about is a happy healthy Malcolm nothing else matters.

I didnt really care about papers on him.. just after having him now ... chuckles as I am scrapbooking a baby album for him, I thought it would have been interesting to know his history. But after going there the other day and telling me the papers would be $250 it just seemed not right. All I want is to have fun with lil guy which I am big time.
You have all been so helpfull and I am gratefull

Marilyn and Malcolm :pawprint:

Are you thinking of maybe getting him into agility?That would actually be a ton of fun for you both.... :D


So is it possible then that even the tatto on his belly could be false.

Yes,big time possible.

Like I said,it should be "3" letters and 3 numbers.

Well there you go,it was advertised in the paper.Absalutely no reputable breeder would ever advertise in the paper.

WOW,they didn't even show you Malcoms Mom?
That is sooooo wrong. :evil:

Geeez... nope didnt even see the mother.... So do I get forgiven please!!! chuckles.... I am 51 and never had a dog in my life....

I think Malcolm would love agility .. I am going to look around to find something for him when he is old enough.. hmmmmm perhaps I best check you all about who to do that with....cause my judgement sucks.. sheez

Thanks everyone for putting up with me

Smiles

Marilyn :pawprint:

Ummm I dont have a genetic screening or pedigree nor was I even told about any of that. I ha some tests done at the vets when we first got him.. and blood work to see if he was healthy

Marilyn :pawprint:

Yes you are forgiven. :D

You didn't know.And I see neither did the new hubby....LOL

This is why this site is here,so we can all learn...I have learned alot since being on here.

I think agility would be fun.Ask the trainer about agility for Malcom.I'm sure they can tell you everything you need to know. :)

What's done is done.No need to worry now.You have a cutie patootie of a puppy.Just love and enjoy him... ;)

Yeah but hubby has an excuse HE IS MALE chuckles

I am very glad I found this board the other day as I certainly have learned alot and will continue to learn all the time

Thanks
Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

Yeah but hubby has an excuse HE IS MALE chuckles

Ohhhh you are soooooo right..... :p

But then my excuse is that I'm blonde.... :D

Yes,you will definately lean alot on here.

Oh,and just to warn you,this site is addictive....LOL

It depends on the jurisdiction Mona. Puppy mills are illegal in some areas and of course some municipalities have bylaws outlawing the number of pets one can have in a home or whether one can operate a business - that sort of thing is what I was getting at. I know all too well about puppy and kitten mills and byb's. (as do we all I think, sigh!!!)

Don't beat yourself up justalittle - you were a first time buyer who thought you had done enough research and look at it as a learning experience. There was a time I thought giving cats milk was great!! So we all learn as we go on.

I found an old cat book I had as a child and it is soooo out of date - it recommended milk for kittens!!! Among other things that we'd consider unhealthy or just wrong now. Amazing how times change - and this was a book in the 70's!

It depends on the jurisdiction Mona.

True...But we are talking about BYB's here.

There is no law stating you can't breed your dog(unfortunately).

A BYB is just your Joe Blow breeding his/her female with a male and producing puppies.Unfortunately again,no law against that.

There are tons of BYB's out there and not a thing that can be done about.UNLESS they are living in filth,no food,no water,bad health.THEN and only then can something be done.

Now a puppy mill is something totally different.

Trust me,I also know all to well about puppy mills also.

This site is addictive ... like I needed another addiction.. oh wait its ok its only an extension of my addiction to Malcolm.. See I can justify anything :crazy: Chuckles

The byb even told me to give Malcolm milk and canned dog food... but I didnt I had read enough to know that dry kibble is the best.

Here is the actual ad that was in the paper... (only cause I am going to scrapbook it)

CUTE CUTE CUTE
C.K.C. reg. MINI SCHNAUZER
PUPPIES $700.00 Then the phone number

I am thinking perhaps I can follow this up with C.K.C. given she quoted they were registered with them

Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

Hi there, I'm coming in late, but welcome to you and little Malcolm :party: I'm by no means an expert at showing, I started showing Kenzie in April! The other posters are right about a neutered male, but you should look into agility. Lots of fun for you and Malcolm and yet another additction, lol!

Yes, I'd contact the CKC, and maybe Small Claims Court. This from CKC:
www.ckc.ca

Q. How do I register a dog born in Canada?
A. To register a dog born in Canada, the litter must be registered by the breeder first. It is then the responsibility of the breeder to provide registration papers at no additional cost to the buyer within six months from date of sale. Once the litter has been registered, the breeder will automatically receive applications from the CKC to individually register the puppies. The application must be completed and submitted to the CKC by the breeder, along with the required fees. Please note that under normal circumstances it takes the CKC approximately 7 to 10 days to complete the registration of a dog and return the Certificate of Registration to the breeder.

This site is addictive ... like I needed another addiction.. oh wait its ok its only an extension of my addiction to Malcolm.. See I can justify anything :crazy: Chuckles

Too funny...LOL

So you were told to give him milk?Great.. :rolleyes:

I've always fed my dogs both canned and dry.... :)

I am thinking perhaps I can follow this up with C.K.C. given she quoted they were registered with them

As in this person was registered with CKC?K,now that's funny.

This person did not provise you with Macloms CKC papers.Which he should have gotten when he was 6 months old.Then wanted to charge you $250 to get them now.There is no way this person is registered with the CKC.

Here is an Idea.

You and your husband go back to this so called breeder.Tell them you got in contact with the CKC.Tell them that you were advised that under the CKC pedigree act it is illegal to sell puppies without their CKC papers.Providing the parents are registered.And that it is illegal to charge an extra fee for thses papers.Also,find out for sure if the parents are registered.If they are not,then forget about getting any papers from them.As I stated before,bit parents must be registered.

Good for you, keep a copy of it. You don't have to pay for any reg papers. Since she advertised them as ckc reg. You just need to contact ckc and tell them that you have not received the papers, it has been over 6 months and she wants you to pay 250. in order to get them. They should take care of it for you. Seeing as you don't have the papers, she may have put herself down as owner. She would have reg the litter and then each pup is reg individually w/ name, address, owner, etc. w/ permanent owner.

Go to www.ckc.ca Look under ckc services, drop down, Registration. Read all of it. It will answer all your questions in detail.

I don't know if you want to confront them in person. They could be in big trouble with CKC. You said you drove by to pick up the papers so I take it they don't live that far from you?

You may want to advise them of exactly what mona posted above in writting sent by registered mail. Give them a deadline to provide you with the papers. Make sure at the top you write "WITHOUT PREDJUDICE", so it can be used legally if ever the need should arise. (Worked as a legal sec for years, lol) This is not to be construed as legal advice, but friendly advice from another poster!

I don't know if you want to confront them in person.

This is why I said to bring hubby..... :D

I know I would be all in their face..... :p ...OK OK,don't be a follower....LOL

I do agree with what Shannon said though about the registered mail though. :)

Does this mean she still holds ownership on my Malcolm?

I will follow it up with CKC as she stated they were registered. I will also send a registered letter to her.. I do have her name address and phone number.. and the ad :D See I did something right chuckles

Ohhh and I am way more direct then Hubby he takes me with him when he wants to get something done.. chuckles :evil:

You gals are all great I cant thank you enough for all this help and insight

Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

Did you get a receipt for the purchase from the breeder? If you did then you are the owner/ legally. Through ckc she would be the owner.

While by golly anyways, the person who never keeps anything... waves the very pretty receipt.. I DO HAVE IT! :party:

It gives the date Our name the price.. for a Schnauzer puppy.... and then can return after vet check, if done right away. Then signed by her

Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

This is turning out to be a little more than just getting the papers to have them. I would have to say it is quite important to get this resolved. Did you read the registration information on the ckc site.

This is turning out to be a little more than just getting the papers to have them. I would have to say it is quite important to get this resolved. Did you read the registration information on the ckc site.

Actually to be honest when it comes down to it... papers or not I am happy... I suppose I am emotionally caught up in it a bit just because I can believe how stupid I was.

I did just read the site... some very good information on there

So all is good.. Thanks

Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

I know your happy with your little Malcom,but sisnce this so called breeder advertised them as CKC registered,then you MUST be given his CKC papers.Which,all it looks like is a diploma.

Mine are framed and hanging on the wall...... :D

No,you were not stupid,so don't even say that.You just didn't know that's all... :)

Thank you Mona..... and hey I would like his lil certifcate up on my wall.... :crazy: Or in my scrapbook! .I will follow through with this, it will be interesting to see where it takes me.

Marilyn :pawprint: Malcolm

Your very welcome... :)

I'm glad to hear you will follow through with it.Please let us know what happens.I would also print out a copy of the registration from the CKC site.There you will have proof to show them..... :D

Well it's not really little...LOL..Lets just say they are in an 8x10 frame.... :D

Thank you Mona and yes I will let you know how everything goes.. :thumbs up

Mona, I was referring in a broad way - I was at work and really had no time to write a long treatise, thinking or is that typing out loud.- to both. A byb for example in a residential area might be breaking a bylaw that permits residences to have only up to 3 cats or that kind of thing. There are all these minor inconveniences one faces- Reputable breeders (of cats - I am more familiar with the cat world as you know) I know are concerned now about mumblings from Ottawa that would require registered catteries to charge GST and PST etc,\ - the blended tax (or its other name as we all know) - and they already pay megabucks to essentially do what is a hobby for them.

Meanwhile, unregistered breeders advertise in the newspaper and take in people like justalittle but pay NO fees and break all sorts of minor code violations, residential - biz zons things. If it were up to me - and maybe I will run for office one of these days, lol - I'd go after byb's and puppy and kitten millers by going after these minor things to start with (and changing legislation at the same time). After all, it was income tax evasion that got Al Capone, not any prominant big time killing. Maybe we can drive these cruel breeders out of biz by driving them crazy.

It will take as much time as changing laws will - since they work in an underground economy as it is. Have you ever read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinksy? He has some great ideas that animal activists would be wise to pay attention to - you know the Alinksy seminars in Chicago? (I attended a few in my capacity as a Board member for Docs without Borders - I am not on that Board any longer - too many other nonprofits and now I just practice medicine for them). But I think we need to be creative and be as crafty as there are - not as unethical but certainly as dogged if you pardon the pun. As an editorial Board member of a newspaper, I have outed several bybreeders in the Maritimes who are now out of biz - not looking fr kudos here(I had mega help from other journalist and animal advocate friends) - but neither am I naieve enuf to think they will simply pack up and move elsewhere or operate elsewhere. Ppl with no morals will do anything!!!

I am not advoacting being like PETA who I think give us all a bad name with some of their antics. They do some good stuff but they seem to hurt their own cause (and ours) by their whacky and goofy stuff, sigh!!

But as someine who continues to be active in politics, I do not accept there is nothing an individual consumer can do. Write a letter to the editor. Better still, talk to a reporter and have an independent article written about it -(summer is a slow time in the new biz, use it!). One could create a web site that speciefically discusses one's esperience with byb's and millers. Alert vets, groups and individuals. (And this can all be done without worries of a law suit - I checked, :) ).

But that's what I meant. In part! I did not want to debate this topic for fear of hijacking the thread. Sooo, go get 'em justalittle - but get your registration papers 1st. I also wondered if when they said CKC, did the breeder in question mean Canadian or Continetal Club. You know how so many do that, sigh!

The laws usually accomodate byb's-- here in Montreal, it's max 2 dogs, unless there are puppies, in which case you can have as many as you want for up to three months-- So they aren't breaking any laws...

Justalittle, you can learn a LOT from Mona... :) Don't feel badly... you're not the only one who was clueless about breeders... :o

CK,I am talking about the BYB's of Dogs.

There are no laws when it comes to BYB's of dogs.Here you can have 3 Med to Large dogs,or 4 small dogs.If anyone has more then this amount of dogs and doesn't have a kennel licence,then yes,something can be done.And trust me,when it comes to the law,I know....... :D

Awwww thank you Prin.....(blushes)

Oh OK Mona, I see what you mean - if there are no laws re puppies (or kittens). I know reputable breeders pay all kinds of fees and they are hobbyists really and then there are byb's, sigh!! Do you think more laws would help - it just seems to me (and what I know about the law comes from having a plethora o lawyers and the occasional Judge in the family) the police - as you now - :) - have so much to do, do they really have time to raid a byb that is not collecting GST. Then again... I return to Al Capone. Maybe we need to get Revenue Canada after them all,lol

Unfortunately there are not enough people to "police" these BYB's.I wish there was... :( .....And unfortunately,most of these dogs/pups live a better life than a puppy mill.They are kept clean,have shelter,food,water.If they have all this then the Police or the SPCA can't do anything.

As for calling Revenue Canada,you would have to call evey BYB ad in the paper,get their names,addresses,and then report them.But the only way you can possibly get all this info is if you bought a pup from every BYB that posts in the ads.I have already talked to my SIL about this.She works for Revenue Canada. :D

If I bought a dog from the pet shop, they should registered the dog already right? How do I find out whether my dog registered or not?

Not a pet store..... :( :sad:

Be prepared to have many health issues.

Pet stores pups come from BYB's(Or as they call them "hybreds") and or puppy mills.Not a good thing.

Not all pet stores sell registered puppies.I know 2 in my area that doesn't.

I doubt that yours came registered.

The store also sells other animals, like cats, birds, rats, etc.
It's from a shop in scarborough town if you know where is it.

So.... is it possible that they registered my dog?
They gave me the sheet about the dog's health and a sticker on that sheet said that he is a husky, and insurance, etc. But I dont see a single sheet really talk about his linage. Although the sticker said it, I want some thing like birth certificate, or register sheet.

Pet stores are no longer allowed to sell registered dogs

When you buy a petstore dog, you don't even know if it's purebred!

Someone on this board bought was was supposed to be a Chihauhau, but it turned out to be some sort of rat terrier mix.

Let the buyer beware.

Pet stores are no longer allowed to sell registered dogs

Unfortunately there are a few who do.

But I dont see a single sheet really talk about his linage.

And you won't.Like I have mentioned,pet stores get their pups from BYB's and or puppy mills.

Also,here is some reading for you...

http://members.aol.com/KARENKATO/petstore.html

Neded to add this one.

http://www.puppymillrescue.com/petshop.htm