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Caveat emptor

Cookie's Mom
July 21st, 2005, 06:54 AM
Administrator, I hope you'll allow this, as it's meant to help other pet owners and their beloved furry family members.
If you take your pet to a specialist, and YOU think that your dog needs a certain test, you must be forceful. You live with your pet. You know his or her habits better than anyone else. You can notice the little nuances that are indicative of illness before anyone else can.
I am not going to mention the name of any facility, but I will say this. Our dog is dead. We did all that we were supposed to do as responsible pet owners. We took her to our regular vet, who did not have the equipment to perform the tests that we asked, so we kept her NPO (without food and water after ten at night) and as soon as we were given an appointment, we took her to specialists, whose decision it was to treat her conservatively, in spite of our pleas to take a more aggressive stance and scope her to find the CAUSE instead of treating the SYMPTOMS.
If your dog has intemittent chronic vomiting (chronic is defined as any condition lasting longer than two weeks), coupled with acute bloody diarrhea and lethargy, don't take no for an answer. If you want to have your dog scoped, and the specialist refuses, go on your gut instinct, and take that dog to another specialist. Our dog had a bleeding ulcer. We followed what the specialists told us to do, (which I am not at liberty to say now), and the next morning, she was much worse. We took her back, they hospitalized her, telling us that there was a vet there at all times, even during the night, and she would be closely watched. She was not. She laid there for eight hours bleeding internally until her stomach perforated. They noticed this in the morning, during the shift change. Also, if you have a feeling that someone is not telling you the truth, if they ask you to put your dog down after some sort of surgery and you want a biopsy, stick to your guns. Vets are not God, nor are they pathologists. Go with your gut instinct regarding your pet, it's usually right.
Please learn from our experience. Just because someone calls themselves a specialist doesn't mean that they have the common sense that God gave them. And thanks to everyone here for listening, trying to help, and hopefully, for learning from our experience. CM

BMDLuver
July 21st, 2005, 07:25 AM
I'm very sorry for what you and your family have been through. It is devastating and I hope that you will be able to gain some closure. May your little one walk in fields of wildflowers and drink in clear running streams.

chico2
July 21st, 2005, 08:35 AM
Coookies Mom,I am so sorry and can understand your anger and frustration on top of grieving for your Cookie :sad:
I am not saying we should distrust our vets,but just like with our family doctor,we should ask questions and push for what our instincts tells us is right.
I would think a bleeding ulcer could have been easily detected,just like in a human...but that's hindsight.
So sorry for your loss..

Schwinn
July 21st, 2005, 08:48 AM
I am so sorry that you went through that, and for your loss. You are right, a "specialist" does not mean that they are the end and and be all, whether it be dogs, people or cars. I am also sorry that you went above and beyond, and this still happened. My deepest condolences.

Beaglemom
July 21st, 2005, 08:58 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss. It is very important to always trust your gut instinct and to ask a lot of questions. One should never be afraid to question a doctor, whether it be a veterinarian, specialist, MD or surgeon. I'm so very sorry for your family's loss. :grouphug:

Cookie's Mom
July 21st, 2005, 09:35 AM
Thanks to each one of you for your messages of comfort. We are lost without our girl and will miss her forever. Please don't think that I am trying to ram religion down your throats, but a friend sent me a wonderful book entitled., "There is everlasting life for animals". It is scripture based and it has been of great comfort to me.
The sad part is that we asked many questions, we did the homework, we used common sense, we provided them with detailed information, we requested the proper test, and our beloved girl still was not properly diagnosed, still did not get the tests she needed, and suffered greatly because of the neglect and negligence of those that purport to be specialists. You are right, I have much anger towards them, and I pray that this never happens to any of your beloved babies. But if it should, make sure that you request copies of all medical records before anything can be altered. The hardest part is knowing how much she suffered and knowing that she would most probably still be with us, had they only listened. She was never away from us for one night since she found us, she was never in a cage, and the entire experience, as horrible as it was for us, must have been pure hell for her. Rest in peace my beloved..........till we meet again.........and we will.

Luba
July 21st, 2005, 10:03 AM
Oh how very sad and I am so very sorry to hear that. You and I and every other person has the right to request additional treatment. We know our babies best and we know when something is truly wrong.

So very sorry

I wish there were stronger words to express how sad it is to hear this. But you are right, you have to be forceful.

I went through a similar situation and I feel your pain.

:grouphug:

Daizy
July 21st, 2005, 10:10 AM
Sorry! :sad:

Dog Dancer
July 21st, 2005, 12:00 PM
:sorry: So sorry for your loss. It's tragic to say the least and on top of the grief you're dealing with guilt over her being alone and suffering. I know that feeling from leaving one of my beloved cats at the vet to be euthanised later in the day. Will regret that always - but a long story not for here. Know you did all you could for her and tried your best, sometimes these specialists make us feel inferior and it's hard to stand up to them when we know we should. I had a dear friend (human) who died in hospital of a bleeding ulcer that went unnoticed after he had surgery on his hip that we all encouraged him to have. It was terrible, but the unforseen happens and we can't beat ourselves up too much. Take care of you - we all learn and get stronger from these things. :grouphug:

Karin
July 21st, 2005, 12:07 PM
I am so very sorry for your loss.

kandy
July 21st, 2005, 12:32 PM
I am so sorry for your loss. :sorry:

chico2
July 21st, 2005, 01:44 PM
I was wondering what"caveat emptor"means,since I know no Latin looked it up and it means..Purchaser Beware and it certainly is true,especially regarding the ones we love,human or animals.

White Wolf
July 21st, 2005, 02:27 PM
So sorry for your loss. :sorry: :grouphug:
And there is no way we would have closed this thread. You didn't mention any names, and this is a sad story that should be a learning experience for all of us. Thank you for posting it.

Shamrock
July 21st, 2005, 02:54 PM
I am so sorry for your loss. :sorry: My deepest condolences to you on this tragic outcome. Thank you for sharing this devastating experience so that others may learn from it.

You're right about the medical records. My sister recently requested the medical records for her cat ( died following spay) which took several days to receive. Several handwritten notations had been crossed out entirely, others changed. Disconcerting. :confused:
Your advice to get the records asap is absolutely correct.

Again, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to you. :grouphug:

Luvmypit
July 21st, 2005, 03:01 PM
:sorry: My deepest deepest sympaties go out to you and your family. Its hard enough as it is to lose a pet but this way is heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing your story with us. I hope you stay with us for some support.

Cookie's Mom
July 21st, 2005, 07:30 PM
Once again, I thank each and every one of you who has expressed condolences to us on the loss of our baby. Here is another detail......when her stomach perforated and they FINALLY noticed it, they called us and told us they needed to do emergency surgery, which they began TWO hours later.....according to them, they had to transfuse her in order to stabliize her for surgery. Then, during the surgery, they took us in a room and urged us to put her to sleep, stating that they were almost positive that she had stomach cancer, and that would be the kindest thing to do. (i.e. no biopsy). As I said before the thing that kills me the most is that they refused to let us stay with her and she had to die alone, without us there, not knowing if we had abandoned her or not........we got to visit with her once for an hour an and forty-five min. and when I think of the look on her face, and her trying to raise her head to reassure herself that we were still there....it just kills me. She was a large dog.........78 pounds, but as gentle as could be. I put my face on her snout and kissed her and told her how much I loved her and that Mommy would be back in the morning.......morning never came for her........we got the call nearly midnight that she was gone. I will miss her forever. But I will be forever grateful that she chose us as her Mom and Dad. Thanks for listening, and glad to hear that my instincts regarding getting her medical records asap were correct. CM

Prin
July 21st, 2005, 09:16 PM
That is so incredibly sad. I'm so sorry. I hope you manage to get some sort of closure about this. So sad.

I have to ask, how does a dog get an ulcer? Do you know what the causes could have been?

Cookie's Mom
July 22nd, 2005, 07:52 AM
That is so incredibly sad. I'm so sorry. I hope you manage to get some sort of closure about this. So sad.

I have to ask, how does a dog get an ulcer? Do you know what the causes could have been?

Prin, from what I have read, dogs can get ulcers from H pylori bacteria just like people can. And ulcers seem to be more peculiar to certain breeds..Dobie and Shepherd being two of those breeds, so that should also have been a red flag for her "specialists."
Bottom line.......they did not take her illness seriously enough, they did not listen to us and they did not perform the necessary tests. We have retained an attorney and fortunately, we found one who loves dogs, as most attorneys will not touch a case like this because there is not enough money in it. My only hope is that the next person who comes in with a dog or cat and asks that they be scoped..........they listen.

doggirl
July 22nd, 2005, 09:03 AM
I'm very sorry Cookie's Mom. I am not a sue-happy person but right from the start it sounded like this vet was way too relaxed about the whole thing. Everything you said here sounded very concerning. I hope the attorney you've retained will help you.

Remember to take care of yourself. Grief is a horrible thing. Don't let it eat you alive.

You gave her a home where she was truly loved and cared for, and this is more than so many dogs get. She was lucky to find you. She must have been a special girl.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Jazz&Cricket
July 22nd, 2005, 02:25 PM
I am so sorry for your loss...it doesn't seem right at all. I found this poem on another board... I hope it helps a bit

Look not where I was
For I am not there
My spirit is free
I am everywhere

In the air that you breathe
In the sounds that you hear
Don't cry for me
My spirit is near

I'll watch for you
From the other side
I'll be the one running
New friends by my side

Smile at my memory
Remember in your heart
This isn't the end
It's a brand new start
..

Cookie's Mom
July 22nd, 2005, 03:34 PM
I am so sorry for your loss...it doesn't seem right at all. I found this poem on another board... I hope it helps a bit

Look not where I was
For I am not there
My spirit is free
I am everywhere

In the air that you breathe
In the sounds that you hear
Don't cry for me
My spirit is near

I'll watch for you
From the other side
I'll be the one running
New friends by my side

Smile at my memory
Remember in your heart
This isn't the end
It's a brand new start
..

Jazz&Cricket........thanks for the beautiful poem. It made me cry, sitting here, thinking of how much we miss her. Yes, "doggirl", she was a beautiful girl.......the best. If you would like to see her, you can go the APLB site that I posted under the rainbow bridge link. Look on the left sidebar, click on "in memoriam"., then click on the letter "P" and look for "Peach" Dobie/Shepherd mix)...........she's there..........but she's also in my heart.........Thanks.......I imagine I'll cry for her for a long, long time. CM

Cookie's Mom
July 22nd, 2005, 03:38 PM
So sorry for your loss. :sorry: :grouphug:
And there is no way we would have closed this thread. You didn't mention any names, and this is a sad story that should be a learning experience for all of us. Thank you for posting it.

White Wolf, that is my wish....that is why I posted our story. I wish we had just taken her somewhere else or INSISTED that they scope her instead of asking them to. That is the hardest part......knowing the she still might be here had they listened to us, and the worst part, knowing how long she lay there, eight hours.....an eternity.........suffering alone.........with no one checking on her in spite of the fact that there was a vet on premises. It just kills me........I can't think about it without crying.