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IAMS concerns......

justncase
July 20th, 2005, 05:57 PM
From the site:

http://www.coreymondello.com/AW.html-


Iams and P&G and How They Cause Animals to Suffer Needlessly
Animal Shelters Give Iams the Boot

Iams Puts Hunter on Its 'Animal Care' Advisory Board
Source: www.IamsCruelty.com
"In response to pressure from hunters, Iams has placed hunter Kelley Donham on its animal care advisory board. Donham is a breeder of hunting dogs and a judge of field trials (events at which people disable birds, bind their feet together, and throw them into marshes so that they can sic their dogs on the frightened animals). Donham is an expert in human occupational safety hazards associated with the factory farming of cows, pigs, and chickens."


The IAMS Company: Killing dogs and cats to make a better pet food...
Source: http://www.iamskills.com
"Unbelievable as it sounds, the Iams Co., manufacturer of the Iams/Eukanuba line of quality dog and cat foods, has been harming and even killing dogs and cats, claiming to make a better brand of pet food. In dozens of painful and invasive experiments, hundreds of dog and cats just like your animal companion, were made to suffer and sometimes die in the name of "nutrition research." These experiments were not designed to help the animals involved. These innocent victims were all healthy animals who were used simply as disposable objects."

Undercover investigation reveals horrors behind IAMS' lies; http://www.uncaged.co.uk/news/2003/iams.htm

Proctor & Gamble owns Iams
Source: http://www.pandgkills.com

"The extensive line of Aussie hair care products, long touted to be free of animal tests, is now under the ownership of Procter & Gamble."
http://www.pandgkills.com/alerts/AA_aussie.html

In all fairness to the A.S.P.C.A. and IAMS, replies to my inquiry
have been placed on the following webpage;
A.S.P.C.A. & IAMS responses

I also decided to ask the Massachusetts Society for Prevention to Cruely to Animals (MSPCA), if they were involved, and what their opinion was on this issue.
Here is my conversation with them through email.

Prin
July 20th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Well, since Iams sponsors the ASPCA, I don't know if you can believe them either.

Schwinn
July 20th, 2005, 06:17 PM
And since PETA is the only one to supply most of the info, I think it's mostly bunk.

For example, they don't disable birds and tie them up to use them to train dogs. That's PETA propoganda, the same group that has been investigated in several cities for stealing family pets, and has representatives that were just found dumping bodies of dogs in dumpsters.

The lab that was doing the experiments was not an Iams lab, but one that they hired. When they found out what was going on, they stopped using that lab.

Proctor and Gamble has not changed anything about the products in the Aussie hair line. They stopped labling it as animal tested because the ingrediants in the product were tested on animals by other companies, then Aussie put them in thier product. This is one of the big slams against the Body Shop. A lot of the Body Shop were found to be safe by testing them on animals by other companies several years before. Once they were deemed safe, and stopped testing them, the Body Shop starting using the products.

If you show up at Iams, they will, on the spot, give you a tour of ALL of thier facilities, including the animal research facilities. Personally, until someone more credible comes up with evidence (search long enough, and any info you find on the net against Iams goes back to PETA), I'll remain skeptical.

http://community-2.webtv.net/PRECIOUSFORD/PETALIES/
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

mona_b
July 21st, 2005, 01:18 AM
And since PETA is the only one to supply most of the info, I think it's mostly bunk.

I am starting to think the same Schwinn.Why is it only PETA?I actually have quite a few friends who work at P&G here in Hamilton.And I tell you,they hook me up pretty good when they have their product sales..... :thumbs up

coppperbelle
July 21st, 2005, 06:36 AM
I read an article this year from the Whole Dog Journal on this very same topic. It seems that Iams was targeted by PETA. They are not the only company that does or did this kind of testing and treatment of animals but were the only company to be investigated. It was kind of luck of the draw. The investigation if thats what you want to call it was done several years ago and since Iams has done many things to change the way their animals are tested and treated.

Jasmine
July 21st, 2005, 07:43 AM
but if a member of the public sends an E-mail to Iams and asks outright whether their pet food is tested on animals or not by vivisection, the firm comes back with about a page of writing on how humane their tests are etc etc without actually answering the question. A lot of us on another board E-mailed, all got the same standard response and spent days debating whether the response meant yes or no.

Try it!

Cookie's Mom
July 21st, 2005, 08:03 AM
but if a member of the public sends an E-mail to Iams and asks outright whether their pet food is tested on animals or not by vivisection, the firm comes back with about a page of writing on how humane their tests are etc etc without actually answering the question. A lot of us on another board E-mailed, all got the same standard response and spent days debating whether the response meant yes or no.

Try it!


The only power that we have as consumers is the power of our money, and where we choose to spend it. I would rather err on the side of caution. If there is even a CHANCE that Iams uses vivisection to test their products, that's enough for me to avoid it. We use Purina products and we've never had a problem. I saw a bag of Iams on sale at our local Target and decided to slowly introduce it, and our cats could not tolerate it. Maybe they had a sixth sense. :>) Only kidding about that, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We feed our cats half Purina hairball formula and half Purina UT diet........so far, no problems, and our cats are 13, 10 and 5. Good luck. And read "Plague Dogs" if you haven't..........great book recommended to me by a dear friend who loves animals as much as I do.

MIA
July 21st, 2005, 11:15 AM
Either way there are many other companies that do not test on animals that one can support, the dog food I buy does test on animals BUT they are only palatability tests, so really I have no problem with dogs eating dog food!!! P & G is a HUGE company and still test basic every day products which I personally have a problem with. I choose to support companies that do not use animals to test.

Schwinn
July 21st, 2005, 12:43 PM
The only thing I would say is if you are supporting a company because THEY don't test on animals, then that's great. I, too, make choices based on how I feel about the way a company treats animals (there are certain products I won't buy). Just realize, however, that a lot of companies that say thier products are animal cruelty free are that way because they let someone else do the dirty work. Again, for example, the Aussie line. A lot of the ingrediants in thier products were, in fact, being tested on animals by thier competitors, and these tests, once complete, are public domain. Once the ingrediants were determined to be safe, they started to use them, and labled thier products as being free from animal testing. When Proctor and Gamble bought out the line, the didn't change any ingrediants, nor did they start testing the ingrediants. The did feel, however, that because the ingrediants were tested on animals by other companies, it was misleading to lable the product as animal tested free, so they removed that lable.

I did research on animal testing once. It was actually quite fascinating, to me, the way that marketing deparments spin things some times. I'm not passing judgement on anyone for thier choices, just saying, know exactly what is behind those lables.

MIA
July 21st, 2005, 01:02 PM
Yes I do know that, for me the companies I tend to support do not do the animal testing, and many of the products I buy have NEVER been tested on animals I have done a ton of research that being said I am sure I have bought something that has been tested on an animal but I do my best to support animal loving companies! In this day and age there is no real need for animal testing for basic type products, as you say it's already been done in many cases. Pharmaceuticals are another story, all new drugs are first tested on animals and will continue to be as are laws around that, there are no laws saying you must test mascara on bunnies (I actually don't wear make-up).

Schwinn
July 21st, 2005, 02:06 PM
there are no laws saying you must test mascara on bunnies (I actually don't wear make-up).

Personally, I always thought animals looked stupid in make-up. Makes them look cheap...

coppperbelle
July 21st, 2005, 04:21 PM
The only power that we have as consumers is the power of our money, and where we choose to spend it. I would rather err on the side of caution. If there is even a CHANCE that Iams uses vivisection to test their products, that's enough for me to avoid it. We use Purina products and we've never had a problem. I saw a bag of Iams on sale at our local Target and decided to slowly introduce it, and our cats could not tolerate it. Maybe they had a sixth sense. :>) Only kidding about that, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We feed our cats half Purina hairball formula and half Purina UT diet........so far, no problems, and our cats are 13, 10 and 5. Good luck. And read "Plague Dogs" if you haven't..........great book recommended to me by a dear friend who loves animals as much as I do.

As I said Iams was targeted by PETA. The same could have happened with PUrina or Pedigree or any of the other popular dog foods. All those other companies that claim they don't test are not telling it like it is. In fact they are buying test studies and conclusions from the food companies that are. Kind of like burying your head in the sand.

Iams while not the perfect food is one of the better grocery store brands in my opinion.

MIA
July 21st, 2005, 04:23 PM
Personally, I always thought animals looked stupid in make-up. Makes them look cheap...

ROFL! I have to find the photo of my MinPin after he found an old tube of lipstick!!!!!! You will pee your pants!!!!

Prin
July 21st, 2005, 04:45 PM
Iams while not the perfect food is one of the better grocery store brands in my opinion. Maybe so, but if you research food a ton, you stop buying dog food in grocery stores, right? :D

Sneaky
July 21st, 2005, 09:09 PM
Bottom Line, Iams is not a very good quality food.
There are many many other better quality brands out there.
I wouldnt feed it to my pets because of all the "animal byproducts" that are in it.
Who knows even what animals those come from?
I also have a sneaking suspicion that some of the cheaper dog/cat food companies that do test on animals may actually put the animals in the food once they are killed because of testing.
Scary thought, but hey until recently they were feeding cow back to cows, so it is very possible.
:yuck:
A great quality food is First Mate Holistic Pet food.
No byproducts, no dyes, no grains.

coppperbelle
July 21st, 2005, 10:03 PM
ngredients
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Flax Meal, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, Rosemary Extract

I just copy/pasted this from the Iams web site. While the ingredients are not great they do beat those of Purina and Pedigree. The by-product is chicken and while not ideal does not include dog or any other animal. :D

coppperbelle
July 21st, 2005, 10:05 PM
Maybe so, but if you research food a ton, you stop buying dog food in grocery stores, right? :D


I did do my research and stopped buying the grocer store brands. I am as you are now a spokesperson for the Solid Gold company and they don't even pay us. :D
At least I don't get paid, do you? :eek:

Prin
July 21st, 2005, 10:12 PM
No, I don't get paid either. :D We should. I still love it. I don't know what would happen to me if my doggies stopped doing so well on it... I'd go into shock!