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Rocky seized again

chico2
June 3rd, 2005, 04:46 PM
Today at around 1pm,while he was outside with me,Rocky had another what seems to be some kind of seizure.
It starts with him wanting to go inside,constantly licking his lips,then he throws up grass,howls and loses control of his limbs,he'll be like a rag-doll.
After a little while he'll be fine and just wants to cuddle..
It's happened other summers(never in winter)and I and the vet,thought it could be the Advantage,his shots or the calming meds he was on for a while.But he has had neither lately...
I took him up to the vet as soon as he let me pick him up,she does not seem too concerned(which astounds me!)and took a blood-test to check for toxins.
I don't use any poisons on my lawn,my bitchy neighbor does and the young family behind me :mad:
I was very shaken up,thought he was going to die,but now I have to wait for testresults and we have to go from there.
He does not shake,like an epileptic seizure,could he be allergic to grass??He is going to be 10yrs old this september and I love him an awful lot..
Next will probably be x-rays or whatever,but I want to get to the bottom of this,it's frightening to me and must be horrible for Rocky..
Anybody have any ideas,that I can suggest to the unconcerned vet???

Sneaky2006
June 3rd, 2005, 04:48 PM
Seems like you've got the bases covered, I can't think of anything else it could be!
I'm sorry I don't have any advice. I hope Rocky is feeling better and I hope you are too! :pawprint: :grouphug:

chico2
June 3rd, 2005, 04:53 PM
Sneaky,thank's!
He is fine now,snoozes in the window...the funny thing is,afterwards he will not leave my side,it's as if he wants me for protection...
I'll have the blood-test results monday/tuesday,then we'll try other tests,I am sure.

Sneaky2006
June 3rd, 2005, 04:56 PM
So do you think it could be a heat thing, considering it only happens in the summer?
You will be posting results right??

chico2
June 3rd, 2005, 05:02 PM
I used to think heat-stroke,but today it was cloudy and not very warm,so there goes that theory...
My middle-son was epileptic,so I have some experience,but Rocky just collapses,has no control of his limbs...for a couple of minutes.
He could be epileptic,but we'll have to see,sure I'll let you know!

Jackie467
June 3rd, 2005, 05:15 PM
I'm so sorry chico. I hope you can get to the bottom of this. I'v never known a cat with seizures but they are common in the Italian greyhound and two dogs in the IG group I belong to have seizures. It is very scary. One dog does shake and have the classic seizure, but the other just becomes limp and looks like he knows what is going on around him but he just can't move. (he collapses) The dog that has classic seizures acts strange for a bit after it's over, doesn't want to be touched, but the other dog gets back up and goes on to play like nothing happened. Different animals respond different I guess. Seizures can be caused by allergies to something, the dog with classic seizures has them triggered by eating any wheat at all (so now he only has them if someone messes up and gives him something with wheat in it) on the other hand they can't figure out what causes the other dogs seizures. Seizures can be very serious especially if they last a long time and become very frequent. But sometimes it's possible for the animal to live a long happy life even with experiencing them occasionally. I really hope the vet can figure it out and stop them. I'll be thinking about you and rocky. :grouphug:

babyrocky1
June 3rd, 2005, 06:08 PM
Im very sorry to hear about your Rocky, Chico , if its comforting at all, my friend had fostered a lab from the guide dog puppy program, after he went back into the programme he had one seizure, they dont to this day know what caused it, but because of it, he was eliminated from the programme, anyway my friend got to adopt him and its NEVER happened again. Maybe cats are different, but hopefully this is just an isolated event. Also today I woke up sick and shakey, my Rocky seemed to be acting stangely lethargic, and then I heard it was a high polution count in Toronto, I don't know but I guess it could contribute. I hope it al works out. :fingerscr

kandy
June 3rd, 2005, 06:40 PM
Haven't got a clue, just wanted to say I'll be thinking about you and your baby!

Karin
June 3rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
Here for ya Anita! Tell Rocky he better stop giving you the frights.

I'm crossing paws for the bloodwork to show something simple, and it probably is. He is still young at 10 years of age.

Keep me posted....

hockeymom
June 4th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Have you considered another vet for a second opinion? When I was ill for six months and no answers - I saw three different specialists. Maybe your sweetie could benefit from a new set of eyes and ears. Good luck.

chico2
June 4th, 2005, 08:23 AM
Thank's everyone :)
It is not a one-time thing,for the past three summers he's had this happening probably 5 times.
My"old"vet who gave him a"senior-test"bloodtests etc..at 7yrs old,said nothing wrong,probably the heat!! She seemed to be right,because Rocky stayed inside,did not want to come out when it was really hot.
Then it was supposed to be the Clomipramine he was on and quickly taken off and after that"maybe the shots!"
So,here we are....nobody really gave him a serious examination,since it seems to be seasonal and happens maybe twice in the summer.
I lean towards some sort of allergies,we'll see...but it's scary,just like when my son used to have seizures.
I've been thinking of changing vets for some time and already have one in mind,my vets now,are only 3 min away,do housecalls and is open Saturdays..
I know he's far from old,my other cats lived to be 17,18 and 19 yrs.
I am not hysterical about this,but it is scary,I have to know why and do something about it,if possible. :fingerscr

Babyrock,I hope both you and "your"Rocky feel better today!
and Karin how's Ciara??

Toonces
June 4th, 2005, 10:24 AM
Oh Chico I am so sorry that you are going through this with your baby, I hope you get an answer soon and give kisses to Rocky from me and my furry gang

justncase
June 4th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Pets have had seizures within a very short time after coming into contact with toxins. One pet seized in the vet's office and it was traced to the cleaning products the vet used on the floor. Because your dog had a seizure outside, because your neighbour uses pesticides, etc on his/her lawn- the wind can easily carry it over into your yard. That stuff can get on the footpads and get carried inside to be licked off as well as being inhaled and ingested if your dog chews the grass.

Karin
June 4th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Pets have had seizures within a very short time after coming into contact with toxins. One pet seized in the vet's office and it was traced to the cleaning products the vet used on the floor. Because your dog had a seizure outside, because your neighbour uses pesticides, etc on his/her lawn- the wind can easily carry it over into your yard. That stuff can get on the footpads and get carried inside to be licked off as well as being inhaled and ingested if your dog chews the grass.

(psst, Rocky is a cat)

badger
June 4th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Except the same thing could happen to a cat, couldn't it? Scary thought. The other possibility is a plant, given that it happens outside during the growing season.

Here's a list.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1418&articleid=1552

chico2
June 8th, 2005, 09:11 AM
Thank's Badger..!!
Talked to the vet yesterday,nothing was found in his blood-test...
I got a lot of "could bee's!" But she did not seem alarmed..more likely since it only happens in summer and only a couple of times in summer,it's some sort of allergy.
It always starts with him throwing up,really heaving and this time it was chives I have growing in the garden.After reading Badgers list it's now gone,I stupidly did not think of the chives as being toxic to cats and I've had the chives for years.
Hopefully pulling up the chives will do the trick..we'll see :fingerscr

happycats
June 8th, 2005, 09:23 AM
I'm sorry to hear about Rocky :sad:
It seems as though everyone here has the bases covered, I was also thinking plants.
I hope it was the chives, and Rocky lives out the rest of his live trouble free :)

chico2
June 8th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Thank's HappyCats,there are many tests that can be done,but rather than stressing him out,I'll wait and see...
It never happens while he is inside,so leaving him at the vets for observation would not be any good,just make him unhappy...and the vet agrees.

Cactus Flower
June 8th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Drat! Someone recently posted that a homeopathic remedy worked miracles for a dog they have (that had seizures). I think it was a basset hound? But now I can't find the link! I thought maybe you could talk to them about what they used. Anyone out there remember that post?

I'll keep looking. It's got to turn up in a search sooner or later.

I'm so sorry for you and Rocky :sad: .

Sneaky2006
June 8th, 2005, 02:13 PM
I'm glad they didn't find anything in his blood and that it's most likely an allergy. :love: Are you going to try to keep him inside for a while?

Luba
June 8th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Wow Anita, that's very stressful and concerning to you.
I would have banked on it being vaccines, but if not then maybe ya I suppose the chives or even maybe 'heat' some sort of heat stroke??
I'm grasping at straws but want to give you a lot of moral support!

:grouphug:

sammiec
June 8th, 2005, 02:22 PM
I don't have any advice Anita! I am so sorry! I hope you're able to find out what's causing this!!! (((HUGS))) to Rocky!!

chico2
June 8th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Thank's girls,for your support :love:
He has been outside the last three days with me,I watch so he does not eat grass or anything else and he's been fine....goes and lays in a shady spot where he can watch the birds :D
It's been happening for the past three summers and Luba,we did think it was his shots or the Advantage but he's had neither this summer,or the heat,but it was only +19C the day it happened this summer,it's a process of elimination :D I don't think it's anything seriously wrong since it's seasonal..I hope!!

Princesss04
June 8th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Anita I am so sorry you are going through this with your baby! Do they eat the plants and stuff in your yard? I would not think it would be the heat since you said that it was not hot out the other day when he did this. Is the vet going to run anymore test or do anything else. Keep us posted on what is going on. Take care and remember we are all here for you. :grouphug:

Luba
June 8th, 2005, 03:56 PM
But it is always after he's been outside huh!

I just thought of something else..do you have a wooden deck thats pressure treated?

PRessure treated woods contain arsenic, which is why they removed them from the playgrounds for kids.

Just drumming up some ideas here.

What does he usually go for in the garden, roll in...play in, and eat?

CyberKitten
June 8th, 2005, 04:21 PM
I am so sorry to hear about Rocky Chico! It sounds like a veternary mystery but it would be good to get to the bottom of it - it does sound like it is related to summer. As for the tests, if you don't test for a certain substance, it won't show up. I wonder how many chemicals et al they do test for? Certainly, your neighbour's chemicals could be blown to your lawn. Arsenic is also a possibility and some chemicals could even in combination with something be causing the seizures. Organophosphates (like most of the "thions" used in poisons and herbicides are known to cause siezures in children so I wonder about pets??? Have you talked to your neighbour to see what they are spraying? Perhaps you could work to have the community become a chemical free zone - like Lucky's Hudson. :)

chico2
June 8th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Dr Luba :D ,our deck is a stained cedar-deck,a pressure-treated deck in the front,but the cats never leave the back...
I actually asked my neighbor what kind of pesticide they have on the lawn and it's an"environmentally friendly"pesticide(if there is such a thing!!)
Oakville did try to pass a"no pesticide"by-law,but I don't think it went through,too much pressure from businesses,to heck with the health of children,pets and birds,butterflies etc...I have not used pesticide for years,ever since I found about a dozen sparrows with their eyes dried out and obviously blind.I pull weeds the oldfashioned way :D
Money is not really an object with Rocky,but even the vet believes it's an allergy to something in the backyard,he does not lose conciensness(sp?)he collapses like a rag-doll after vomiting grass,or chives as was the case this time.
They all chew on grass and sometimes other stuff,but I am certainly keeping an eye on my big boy Rocky,not letting him eat anything outside,so we'll see what happens.It happened twice last summer and the vet was not at all concerned,at that time I suspected the shots or the Advantage.
CK,I am not sure what she tested for...something about glucose,and toxins and something else.

Luba
June 8th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Anita I just thought of something....plant some cat grass for them in a special area that may encourage him to go play there :D instead of near the other undesireable things that could be causing this.

Whats odd is that it's only the one cat and not the other..my guess it's not 'toxic' as much as allergy related?

Cactus Flower
June 8th, 2005, 10:32 PM
I found the link!
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15799

chico2
June 9th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Thank you all for your concerns and suggestions..
Luba,they already have their own cat-nip garden and they love rolling in it,making them smell"wonderful"escaping to la-la-land :D
I too believe it is an allergy and I am keeping an eye on everything he does when we are outside.
Cactus-Flower,thank you...I noted the Oenanthe Crocata and will keep it in mind,but I do not believe Rocky is epileptic.
My son was diagnosed with Epilepsy at the age of 1,had every kind of seizure,petit to grand mal most of his life(he's now 39,still on meds,but seizure-free after surgery),I learned all I could about it..although I am sure,there are differences between a cat and a human,the seizures are basically the same.
After an episode,there are no changes in his behaviour,eating-habits or anything else,he does not fall asleep,just goes back to whatever Rocky does :D
It's a mystery,but one that I will eventually solve... :love: