May 31st, 2005, 09:35 PM
Our 1 yr old black lab/golden retriever mix puppy, Rosie, has all of a sudden (in the last month) started peeing in her sleep/when she’s napping. She doesn't seem to know that she's done it and is laying in it. We think this is a medical problem.
She was completely housebroken in the first few months of her life and this has never happened before, but in the last month or so this peeing while sleeping has started, and it is getting more frequent. However, SHE DOES NOT PEE when she goes to sleep for the night in her bed at the foot our our bed. She also DOES NOT PEE when we leave her in the house while out at work, etc.
She has an older sister-dog, Jackie and they both tend to drink a lot of water on a daily basis. I am guessing they drink a lot because they are very active and Rosie has learned to drink large quantities of water from her older sister.
My husband took her to the vet, they couldn’t get her to give a urine sample and gave her a 10 day dose of antibiotics – 500 mg of Cephalexin 2 capsules twice daily. She is on her 6th day and for the past 2 days she was fine, but today it happened again. Also, two nights ago there was a small silver dollar sized poop in her bed and last night she threw up twice. A few times a day we have seen her drag her butt across the carpet, maybe she is itching? There are sometimes some red dime sized welts in her groin area, but seem to come and go.
Other info - She was spayed at exactly 6 months, we are expecting our first baby in 6 weeks.
Should we switch vets or go back to this one? (I was not really happy on giving her the drugs before a urine sample was obtained).
Are there any ideas that you have that may be the problem?
Thanks so much and I am really sorry to bother you with this but I am just trying to get this resolved asap, as I am having a hard time bending over to clean up her pee!
May 31st, 2005, 10:06 PM
Did your vet run any other kind of tests? Ask you to come back in a few days to try for another sample? Ask you to try to take your own sample? I think I'd definintely be taking her to another vet. I don't know if spay incontinence would start so late after the spay, but it's something to think about. Otherwise, I'd think you're dealing with some sort of infection. You said she drinks a lot during the day. Have you watched her pee during the day? Is it normal in proportion to the amount of water she's taking in? Is it a normal stream, or does it seem to trickle, like she doesn't quite finish? I don't know what's up with the welts - might not even be related. How long have they been showing up?
By the way, good luck with your upcoming baby! :D
May 31st, 2005, 10:13 PM
If she is scooting, and there are red bumps at I think it's "10" and "2" on her bum (like on a clock) then that is her anal glands. They probably need to be emptied by the vet, or they could be infected.
I would suggest trying a new vet asap.
May 31st, 2005, 10:40 PM
SWITCH VETS. Peeing while sleeping is a sign ONLY of low estrogen. My vet pinpointed it IMMEDIATELY-- no urine samples or anything. With other diseases that cause incontinence (like diabetes, or kidney failure, etc) the dog squats. Bedwetting is only from lack of hormones. Sorry if I seem so certain, but my vet was even more certain.
There are two types of estrogen on the market for dogs right now. Usually, the vet gives you hot pink pills-- my vet said that recent studies show the other type is much more harmful to the doggy.
First you give a pill every day then every two days and so on until you get the pills as far apart as you can without having "trouble".
If your dog is squatting in her bed, that's a whole other bag of worms. Squatting and peeing on purpose are different symptoms. If she is really "leaking" while she is sleeping, then it's the estrogen.
Here, we talked about it once before:
The throwing up is probably from the drugs, but I would talk to a different vet to see.
June 1st, 2005, 08:46 AM
Our vet did not run any other tests. After I gave Rosie the first does of the antibiotics and thought about it I was upset that I didn't wait until the next morning and catch her pee myself and drive it to the vet to have them check it.
The welts/red spots have appeared on and off - she doesn't clean herself very good in her genital area, although recently it seems she has gotten better at it.
I will post another thread to see if anyone can help us with finding another vet in the area, the vet we go to took over another vet's practice (who died) and we have not been very happy with them so far, so it's time to look for a new one.
As far as the estrogen problem, we have done some research on that and the vet actually mentioned it to my husband as a possiblity, but thought our girl (who just turned one) was a little too young for it to be happening. She didn't want to give her those pills unless it was a last resort. I also don't understand why she can hold it while we are out (sometimes up to 6-7 hours) and at night, but not while we are with her in the day and she naps. Does this make sense that it's pointing to estrogen???
Thanks so much for all your reponses!
June 1st, 2005, 10:39 AM
I agree with Prin - change vets! Without a urinalysis, your vet shouldn't be dosing your dog with antibiotics! Antibiotics are powerful drugs and should only be used when a problem has been identified and not as a "Oh, well we don't know what's wrong, so take antibiotics!"
My dog had a bladder infection not long ago. This made her urinate all over the house (squatting and deliberately peeing) and even on a sofa, but not while sleeping.
It could very well be spay incontinence - this sometimes happens after spaying.
June 2nd, 2005, 01:08 AM
Estrogen is easier on a female doggy than antibiotics, trust me on that. My doggy LOVES her estrogen pills. We got her at 1.5 years and she had already started having trouble in the few months before we got her, so it IS possible. I don't think she is too young.
I have seen what the pills dog for my dog-- bedwetting is humiliating for a doggy. She is much more confident now than before. As I said though, wetting while she's asleep and unaware indicates a bladder sphincter issue and though UTI's cause more frequent urinating, normally, the doggies don't urinate in their sleep, and if they do, it's not once in a while.
Please try the hot pink estrogen pills. They do cause osteoporosis in some dogs later on in life, but there are other ways of boosting the bone density anyway. If this is the problem, you'll see results within a week-- more confidence, less moodiness, and no more bed wetting.
Jemma's bedwetting was once in a long while such that it wasn't too noticeable, then once every week then 3 times a week... Now, she gets her pill about every 8 days (she gets very submissive and PMS'd when she needs one), and like I said, it costs about $30 a year for the pills. Please discuss this further. Ask for a blood test to see what the estrogen levels are.
June 2nd, 2005, 06:15 AM
Thank you so much for your reply, I am calling a new vet today. I am thinking that you are absolutely right, that it is the estrogen problem. She was fine all day yesterday and then last night early evening pretty much went all over our bedroom. She is not squatting at all, just leaking.
The only thing I don't understand is how she can hold it all night and how she can hold it when we are out, but maybe that is just the nature of the beast.
Do you happen to have the name of the hot pink pills?
June 2nd, 2005, 01:16 PM
I would definitely switch vets. Giving antibiotics without knowing what you're giving the antibiotics for is terrible! And depending on the kind of antibiotics, they can cause kidney problems when given excessively.
June 2nd, 2005, 10:03 PM
The bottle just says D.E.S on it... But there are only one type of hot pink estrogen pills.. The leaking is really not all the time. With Jemma it was mostly in the evening and got more and more frequent. When she'd leak she'd freak out and hide in our bed on our duvet leaking still...
The vet should say-- one pill a day for a week, then once every two days for a week and then every three days and so on until you get to once a week. Then you try once every two weeks and see if your doggy gets submissive and crabby. If so, once a week is probably needed. You have to get the estrogen levels back up to normal before the leaking will stop.
Keep in mind though that there is a percentage of doggies that are not helped by estrogen for this problem. (I don't know any who are unaffected by the estrogen pills). We'll cross that bridge when we get to it... :fingerscr