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Anybody see Oprah and her stupid pit bull comments?

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 10:12 AM
So Im watching Oprah. She anounces to everyone in her audience that she has been keeping a deep dark family secret. Anyways it was that they have a daughter. And she is a cocker spaniel named Sophie. Oprah admits that HER dog is dog aggressive and has low self esteem. So she admits this and calls in the dog whisperer. The DW told Oprah that he has 5 dogs that he wants Sophie to meet. Oprah was very hesitant because her dog actually attacks and asked what kind of dogs. I believe 2 grey hounds, 2 other dogs I forgot and a pit bull.
Right away she said oh no and the DW said don't think of it as a pit bull just think of it as a good balanced dog that can help your dog feel comfotable. His main point was her dog wasn't balanced and these dogs he was bringing were and that would help rub off on sophie. Steadman was like I don't even want to meet a pit bull. I was so mad.
She was the one with the dog aggresive dog and she was complaining about the scary pit bull that was an angel ofcourse. Even when they started introducing the dogs Oprah was worried about the pit bull and DW said he is just a different energy with a different out fit on. To say hes just like the rest of them.
The show kept flashing the pit bull and Sophie as if about to square off. Needless to say the dogs were fine and for once Sophie interacted without snapping at any of the dogs. That DW is amazing. Then Oprah had this chef on that made a fortune out of selling cook books with 30 minute meals and she was showing how to cook some payaya burgers at her home and she had the cutest little pit bull puppy. Looked like capone when he was young. I was hoping that this lady was gonna say something to Oprah cause this was after the DW segment. Any how Im gonna write Oprah and I incourage you all to do so too. She needs to be put in her place. The same reasons shes scared of pit bulls is the same behaviour her dog has. Any how here the link to email her people.

Maybe Im being too sensitive but when your an owner of a good dog that has no aggressive tendancies and you see some rich dog snob lady with her dog aggressive dog complaining about pit bulls for the same darn reason she despises them. Anyways thats my beef.

http://www.oprah.com/email/tows/email_tows_main.jhtml

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 10:28 AM
I think it was a great show, Oprah showed how truly ignorant alot of people are about pit bulls, and the DW showed that the pit was the same as any other dog that he just had a different outfit on!!
I believe this showed Oprah and her her viewing audience how truly wonderful a pit really is !!
I think this was good PR for pits (he was an absolute doll) as it showed him with 5 other dogs (I think they were 2 grey hounds the pit, a laso apso, and a Chi, as well as Oprah's dog) and it showed the pit totally calm non-aggressive, and wonderful with all dogs and people around him! even though Oprah's dog was growling at him) :)
It proved a good dog was all about the owner and not the breed!

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 10:49 AM
I agree BUT people who don't care less are not going to observe the dog there gonna listen to oprahs comments. I know I was looking for the pit the whole time but after the comments non pit lovers are not going to pay attention or learn from it. They will hear her comments. The DW didn't say too much to defend.

BUt I do agree that he certainly was a good ambassador to the breed. I think Oprahs comments will still stick out most in peoples minds no matter what the dog was doing. My dog walks down the street wagging his tail, a smile and I still get get that dog off the street comments.

Eleni
May 10th, 2005, 10:49 AM
ignorance is bliss i suppose,

I hope her opinion changed of the pit bull when she realised she had nothing to fear



Eleni

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 10:53 AM
See they pre recorded the part about the DW visiting her house. So she still made the comments after wards while doing the show on her set. It didn't seem like she learned much. But hey Im not in her mind. So I couldn't tell you if she took something from it. I hope she did.

babyrocky1
May 10th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Well, I didn't see it, and Im sorry Oprah is a dog bigot, but it seems to me, that if the dogs interacted positively on the set, it would have been her comment that looked stupid, It would have been nice for her to have admitted that, infact it would have been the only responsible thing to do, but all in all it sounds like a good thing for the dog. Maybe she would now be open to do a show on Pit bulls exploiting the mythh since she has seen it for herself! Maybe thats the kind of email campaign we should go for!

Joey.E.CockersMommy
May 10th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Actually I noticed the pitbull more than Oprahs comment, I don' t think I would own a pitbull but really do believe they get a bad rap. There are lots of them in the shelters in BC and the majority of them have been temperement tested and are suitable for dogs with human.

It actually seemed that the dogs that do not have an aggressive reputation like the retrievers and labs seem to have the rates for the temperment testing as the pitbulls interesting.

By the way the reason I would not own one is because from what I read on the net them they are for experienced dog owners. (correct me if I am wrong)I did actually find a stray pitbull that was very friendly and well trained. Mind you very powerful we kept him on a leash until the dog control came (no id on dog) I played fetch with him and everytime I threw the ball my arm practically came off.

twinmommy
May 10th, 2005, 11:51 AM
I agree BUT people who don't care less are not going to observe the dog there gonna listen to oprahs comments. I know I was looking for the pit the whole time but after the comments non pit lovers are not going to pay attention or learn from it. They will hear her comments.

I agree. I think that people who have a lot of "clout" with public opinion should take care to keep their opinions well educated. I also find it ironic that Oprah of all people has a bigoted opinion, when her own story of her corporate climb consists of much racism. Too bad. :(

It is not beneath her to admit her ignorance, though. If enough people get together and ask her to publicly refine her opinion, I'll bet she'd do it.

Joey.E.CockersMommy
May 10th, 2005, 12:42 PM
This thread is in two different places?

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 01:03 PM
It actually started out different (people who are pet hoarding)
and ended with yesterday's episode ;) Ceasar Milan dog whisperer!

Prin
May 10th, 2005, 03:03 PM
I taped it today, so I'll see. I know what you mean researchbulls, but this one is pitty based Oprah and the other thread is just Oprah.

CyberKitten
May 10th, 2005, 03:17 PM
I never watch Oprah (or any of those trash talk type shows) but I have to say - and maybe this will be unpopular - but you have to think about where the rest of the population is coming from. They are inundated day in and day out about pit bulls and how bad they are - and there are negative stories. I often wonder why pit bull "owners" do not as a group lobby the media in the same way other groups do. That is really the only way this whole issue will change and it is a bit out of control now unfortunately. I do not blame Oprah for saying that - I do think she clearly lacks knowledge but I would see it an opportuntity to educate people. Have someone you know or you yourself write a column on the subject for a newspaper or popular web blog (less are less are younger ppl reading actual newspapers), write Oprah a cleaer concise letter and ask for equal time. Ask for positive uplifting atorues about pitbulls.

The vast majority of the public is not where you are at and you have to somehow get them there. Complaining about the views of one TV host will not do it. Educating that host and others in the process WILL!

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Cyberkitten I totally agree. That does not mean that Im going to go ok well then its just ignorance. And lobbying the media is a past time of pit bull owners. We do it contantly. Also that is exactly what I asked everyone to do hence why I left the link to email her.

Do I blame her, not entirely BUT BUT BUT being who she is with alot of influence its important you educate yourself. She is in a way a media outlet. She has a whole dang team to research for her and she has had a few dog attack victims on her stage and I am sure all she learned from there is that they are bad. Its not like she never had the oppurtunity.

Cyber Kitten you said we are not going to get any where COMPLAINING about it but that is how you do get people involved in writing and campaigning. I have to put it out there for people to know about it so they can email and write.

Cactus Flower
May 10th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Ack, can't believe I'm going to defend Oprah, as I can't stand the woman!

I think she should have been careful of what she said, because her reactions DO affect her listening/viewing audience.

BUT, I have to say that I don't blame her for having the reaction.
Before you start throwing rocks, please, let me explain.

I would have been nervous about the pit bull, simply because they are known to be dog aggressive. I love pit bulls, but I will admit that if a lab ran up to Raj or Chloe, it would not cause me near the amount of concern as if a pit bull did.

There are many threads on here where pit bull owners have jumped on posters for having more than one pit left alone with each other, pointed out that they do become animal aggressive (but love people to no end), and advised the posters that sooner or later, their pit bull WILL become aggressive to other dogs.

(My pitX was no exception, by the way.)

So, at the risk of being drawn and quartered here, I have to say that I completely understand Oprah's reaction.

If anyone else agrees, please don't leave me here to be flailed all by myself :o .

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 05:00 PM
If anyone else agrees, please don't leave me here to be flailed all by myself :o .
I agree, and I already basically said so in my post! I Know if I see a pit coming at me down the street I would cross the street!!

I love all animals, but any large dog I don't know, scares the crap out of me !! :eek:

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Cyber kitten said just that cactus flower so you do have a supporter, I agree to a certain extent. But we certainly don't make excuses for the journalist and all others that make dumb comments about pit bulls. Why so easy on Opie? This was in care of the Dog Whisperer and I am sure he wouldn't have put Oprah in danger or her dog.

No one is saying thats she knows better and is blatantly misguiding the public. Your right she doesn't know better. And yes its easy to understand why.

Maybe I used the wrong word when I said stupid. Actually i did. Still doesn't mean what she said is ok especially being the figure that she is, and that is the feeling I am getting here.

Also yes Pits are dog aggressive BUT not all pits WILL attack another dog. That is not true. Many are perfectly fine BUT I would not allow them ever to play unsupervised. Alot of other breeds are dog aggressive also and they never get a reaction like that. And if we are using the argument that she doesn't know better then the fact that pits are dog aggressive would be lost on her. As most can't distinguish between dog aggression and human aggression.
The funny thing is which I find really ironic is the fact that her dog was the aggressive one. Which really gets me going! Its like calling the kettle black. I guess Im the only one whos sees this irony. Yes I may be sensitive about this but every little comment influences people whether its misguided are not.


Everyone has there own opinion so not to worry about someone flailing you.

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I Know if I see a pit coming at me down the street I would cross the street!!



To each your own
But Im walking away from this one as its a little to senstive a subject and I don't take it lightly......

Cactus Flower
May 10th, 2005, 05:12 PM
I'm sorry, HappyCats, I still can't find where you said so (?). But I'm glad you agree. Thanks for your support :) .

Cyberkitten's post basically said that people react this way because of all the bad media reports, and that Oprah lacks knowledge.

I'm saying that I'd be nervous because of their dog-aggression (my own included, God rest her), which is also admitted to by pit bull owners. Nothing to do with media, and certainly nothing to do with lacking knowledge, but working with the knowledge I have.

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 05:15 PM
I Know if I see a pit coming at me down the street I would cross the street!!



To each your own
But Im walking away from this one as its a little to senstive a subject and I don't take it lightly......
I didn't mean to offend anyone, but if you continued reading, I said I was afraid of "ANY" large dog I didn't know!!

And also, the few pits in my area, are owned by irresponsible owners!!

Basically if it's walking down the street ALONE the owner can't be that responsible can they?

Luvmypit
May 10th, 2005, 05:23 PM
well I guess if you see people actually move to the other side of the street everyday when you walk your dog your gonna be a little sensitive.

And I did read the rest.

when you said that I assumed that you were talking about a leashed dog.... You never mentioned alone or not with an owner!!

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 05:29 PM
well I guess if you see people actually move to the other side of the street everyday when you walk your dog your gonna be a little sensitive.

And I did read the rest.

I assumed when you said that that you were talking about a leashed dog.... You never mentioned alone.

:sorry: I didn't make it clear in the post, I meant walking alone!! :o
If it's with the owner, I have no problem at all, I actually ask if it's OK to pet them :o .

Cactus Flower
May 10th, 2005, 05:34 PM
The funny thing is which I find really ironic is the fact that her dog was the aggressive one.
So true!!!!!!!!!!!


And just for the record, I imagined a leashed pit bull when I read happycats comment, too. Just goes to show you how much can be lost in text, eh?
Sorry, HappyCats.

Thanks, Luvmypit, for your mature responses to my post. I know that this is a sensitive subject to you- your name says it all :D . I've seen threads like this turn ugly so fast, emotions running high- and people on BOTH SIDES attacking wildly. It is really nice to see an educated, composed response on a thread of this nature.

happycats
May 10th, 2005, 05:42 PM
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I'm sorry, sometimes I'm not clear :o and I understand how you read it that way,but I sincerely didn't mean it that way

Prin
May 10th, 2005, 05:51 PM
I'm sorry if I start a fight, but before I came here I very much disliked pitties. It wasn't because of the media either. It was from going to the dog park, seeing them on the street, and working with them at the vet. In my neighborhood, there is a definite genre of person who seeks a pittie. Sure there are probably responsible owners, but they aren't the ones out there flaunting their machismo for the world to see. My brother is one of them. It a mentality like "I have two pitties in the same apartment and I have total control of them. I'm a MAN!!" The thing is, these people don't have control. My bro has to keep his dogs separated. One of his dogs nearly killed a dachs because he went into a store and the dog broke off his leash. I'm sure the responsible owners have better control, but like I said, I don't meet responsible pitty owners here. I haven't met ONE. I meet people who love it when their dog dominates every dog in the park. I meet people who take off the minute their dog damages another without asking if the dog is ok. I meet people who think that you should let fights finish. I meet people who come to the dog park with their pitties and sit and read while their dog humps everybody. I meet pitties at the vet who are brought in by the kids who have no control whatsoever. Sure other dogs hump. And other dogs are annoying. But a pitty in a fight vs a lab in a fight? Who would you want attacking your dog if you had to pick?

And on a leash is scarier to me. Dogs are 3 times more likely to bite on a leash than free. And on top of that, a dog who is wandering is just a dog. A dog beside his owner will be doing what the owner wishes him to. And I don't trust people enough to trust that the owner will be responsible.

Loki
May 10th, 2005, 08:14 PM
IMHO shows like Oprah et al care far more about attracting an audience with sensational stories than informing the public. It is unfortunate, because there are people that take what she says as gospel. Before I adopted my pitbull, I believed all the myths about them, and I got that information from the media.


Two weeks ago, a woman came running up to me as I was walking my pitbull. She had a smile from ear to ear. Stood inches away from my dog and said "You and that monster have no right to live."

She stood there, not even paying attention to my dog - looking proud of herself. I talked to her for awhile - at one point she said "I'm very informed about these beasts - I watch Oprah."
I assume Oprah had done a "when dogs attack" type show at some point.

Coincidentally:

The woman said that pitbulls aren't the only problem - she said she hopes Ontario bans all mid to large breeds. She said she owns a toy breed. There was a lab running loose in the park. She pointed to the lab and said "see, now what chance would my little dog stand in a fight with that monster?"

This is what I find really frustrating about the whole "would you rather be attacked by breed A or breed B" argument. There are certainly stronger breeds than pitbulls. If you own anything other than a toy breed - the woman I ran into would ask you the same question. Since this foolishness started in Ontario, I've had run-ins with a few anti-dog types that use that very argument to justify banning all mid/large breeds.

babyrocky1
May 10th, 2005, 08:26 PM
. "They are inundated day in and day out about pit bulls and how bad they are - and there are negative stories. I often wonder why pit bull "owners" do not as a group lobby the media in the same way other groups do."

This is what we are trying to do through threads like this, Banned Aid, Advocates for the underdog, etc. The problem I find with this kind of lobby is getting people together who are not logistically close to one another. The experience I have with lobbying the government and the media is mostly through co-cop housing so all your neighbours get thier neighbours and you have letter writing parties etc. But with this we are more isolated. We have just started our "Pit Bull Co-op" for our dogs to socialise, but also I think to connect to other owners. Its easier to get things done that way, and much more empowering. That is why Luvmypit posted what she did, to get the word out. We have been posting media for months now and many of us Email, call or write letters to the editor. It would be nice to have a proffesional lobbiest but we are individuals coming together to respond to what we see as a huge injustice. We are not an organisation-not yet anyways. I hope we will get there!!!!

babyrocky1
May 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Wow Loki, I thought I had run into some nut cases, "You and the Dog (monster) have no right to LIVE" gee thats a little harsh :crazy: Im sorry that you had to go through that! I thought thatI had run into lunatics but that one is really out there.
It does illustrate a good point though, many people who are for this ban see it as just a start. One guy I work with thought the pitbull ban was good because some Rottweillers chased him and his girlfriend. People who don't like dogs or only like the "toys" support the ban just as they would support a much broader ban. Theres no changing the minds of people like that, we have to concentrate on fair-minded people who just don't have good information.

Prin
May 10th, 2005, 11:23 PM
This is what I find really frustrating about the whole "would you rather be attacked by breed A or breed B" argument. There are certainly stronger breeds than pitbulls. Yes there are, but they certainly are not as popular as pitties are around here. The odds of my dogs picking a fight with a dog stronger than a pitty and who has the instincts to fight with other dogs and who has the pitty jaw and is NOT a pitty are quite slim. Pitties are very common dogs around here, and the owners around here are not responsible enough to set a good example for those of us with bad experiences.

Luvmypit
May 11th, 2005, 10:18 AM
Cactus flower I often wonder if Im too sensitive so I try to relax and think clearly its not always that easy and I know you guys understand that this is something I deal with everyday. And I am a responsible owner and do my best and I guess sometimes even though understandable it still hits home you know. We all know we love our animals as if they were our own.

Loki sorry you had to experience that as it usually the lady that thinks she knows everything and gets high off telling someone who doesn't agree with them and obviously she picked her target knowing your walking one of those "monsters"

Happy cats, I understand where your coming from I misread and trust me I read it over and over again asking myself should I be offended but I'd be wary of any off leash dog of any size or stature too. And I believe I read that before you would always ask to pet and thats great cause every person thats asks me to pet my pittie makes both me and capone feel good. Its a silent and subtle form of support and we all appreciate it.

As for the argument about the who would you rather have attack your dog or you. You have to think of it this way. Dogs have died at the hands of pit bulls..... and rotties.... and labs.......and almost all large breed dogs.... Some have lived some have died some just have a scratch..... its all what if's to me that I don't think possibly can be fair. And anyone who has been attacked by any breed would say its horrific enough no matter what the breed. But still if I see a lab coming I may relax more then an off leash pit bull just knowing hes dog aggressive so I certainly can relate to a certain extent.

And when I originally wrote this post I was mad and riled up. But the main point was to get everyones attention and get everyone emailing.

babyrocky1
May 11th, 2005, 02:50 PM
Luvmypit, I don't think you over-reacted to any of this. As Ive said before, I didn't see the show. I think that this thread has gone way past what Oprah thinks, unless people here are really that emotionally vested in what Oprah does or says. As has been stated before, people in her position have a greater responsibility to make sure that they do not perpetuate negative stereo types. It does seem that this thread has become a discussion about Pitbulls being aggressive and how we react to that, I dont really understand why this is coming up amongst members that have been having ongoing disccussions about this for at least many months. I have read these posts over and over again and while I can relate to alot of what people are saying, I still find some of the posts upsetting. I do not agree that Pitbulls are necessarilly dog aggressive. I believe that they have a potential to be that way if they are not properly trained and socialized. The danger as I see it, with pitbulls, is that they have been bred for fighting, so if they do engage in this behaviour, they are likely to win the fight and cause alot of damage. That being said, the methods of training a pitbull type dog most certainly include socializing with other dogs, Of course one must be more cautious when the dogs are meeting and greeting new dogs, and supervising them when they are playing. My dog certainly has his "triggers" he is possesive of toys, which is a situation that was probably trainable and nothing to do with his breed, (more to do with my inexperience awith training) and has not been reacting well lately to meeting new large breed, male, and most especially unaltered males.
Because of this, I too take the cautious route, and avoid large breed dogs that I don't know. I believe that this somewhat new situation with other males has more to do with the fact that he does not socialize with alot of new dogs anymore. That is one of the reasons we are doing our "pitbull co-op"
Prin, you say you have never met a responsible pitbull owner in your area, but, you most certainly have "met" responsible pitbull owners here, so I hope that we have been able to let you see the other side of the issue.
I did not post this to enter into a debate, but, rather to express that this site, for me, and I believe many other owners, has been like a safe place to discuss our feelings and share our knowledge about the political, social, and certainly emotional issues surrounding this bill and ban.

Luvmypit
May 11th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Thanks babyrocky! .....


Well said.
I hope that people take something from us. My dog stops and licks other dogs just like the rest of the dogs. Mainly because I never mad him feel like he had to defend or that i was nervous and just like the Dog Whisperer said is you send your dog messages in away with your energy... If you have some macho guy who has an ego problem then the dog is gonna be walking right beside him with the same attitude.

bluntman
May 11th, 2005, 03:46 PM
I do not agree that Pitbulls are necessarilly dog aggressive.

Well put babyrock1, as was the rest of your post, allmost all dogs not properly socailized can be agressive to other dogs or humans, regardless of there breed.
Cesar Millan understands this, He has many pits, rotties, dobbies, sheperds and small breeds all living together in one pack. Any dog can be made to be dog agressive, and any dog can learn to co-exist with other dogs, it's up to us humans to show them the way. Sable does not like toy breeds, Zena does not like large breeds(except Sable) This is something I must help them both overcome, This is not something I can blame on there breeds, this is something I can only blame on myself. To many people blame there dogs for the problems they fail to solve. If Opra knew anything about the Dog whisper, she would have known he has a special affinity for pit bulls, and often has "Daddy" a large male pit bull to help him with problem dogs like hers.

Prin
May 11th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Prin, you say you have never met a responsible pitbull owner in your area, but, you most certainly have "met" responsible pitbull owners here, so I hope that we have been able to let you see the other side of the issue. Yes I do see the other side of this, now that I've met all of you. And although I don't see pitties very differently (I did after all learn here that pitties shouldn't be in dog parks at all), but I do see owners differently. It is nice to know that there are responsible people out there, but frankly too many pitties fall into the wrong hands. (Dogs in general for that matter.)

Loki
May 11th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Sorry, I guess I worded my previous post awkwardly.

The point I was trying to make didn't really have anything to do with pitbulls.
I understand people have certain experiences that paint a particular opinion of breeds - we've all read those threads. :)

The frustrating thing to me is, I think sometimes people that own unaffected breeds don't always realize that the arguments made against any particular breed are also being used against them( by those that dislike dogs in general).

I guess I feel like, as people that love animals, we are kinda shooting ourselves in the foot.

When I first read Italy's list of breeds, I asked the same question most probably did. How the heck did ---insert breed here--- get on it?
As this Ontario thing is progressing, I'm starting to understand.

Maybe, it's just a local thing - or a Toronto thing - but I've run into a few people that consider the Ontario ban as "a start."



About the Psycho: Thanks for the kind words, guys. I've run into her a few times since, and believe it or not, I think I'm winning her over a little.

OK she still hates all big dogs, but she is starting to hate the McGuinty government almost as much!

babyrocky1
May 11th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Hey Loki, Im glad to hear your getting somewhere with your "psycho" sometimes people like that just want someone to listen to them. Pointing her in the direcion of the Mcguinty government, now thats the best news Ive heard all day! :thumbs up maybe you should give her Bryants address while your at it! :evil:

Akeeter
May 12th, 2005, 12:10 AM
(this lady wants far TOO much personal info! Why should I give her my unlisted phone number?!) :eek:

I just asked if she though her guest the Dog Whisperer was such a boob to have their whole reputation ruined on international t.v., by having Oprah's Cocker ripped apart by a Pit Bull, on the D.W.'s recommendation-??!! :confused:
So she has reckless idiots as guests on her show? I guess we all better stop watching, or at least pay no attention to what guests say on her show? (Since even Oprah doesn't think they know what they are doing.) :crazy:

Prin
May 12th, 2005, 01:20 AM
OK I FINALLY watched this dog whisperer show and MAN O MAN I'm not happy with any of it...

I admit, pitties got a raw deal. At first I thought you were all overreacting but then she mentioned it over and over and over. The first comment wasn't terrible (I mean she was afraid of Italian Greyhounds too) but it kept coming up.

Second problem: When you bring a dog outside with 5 other dogs, it is SO rare that fear aggressive dogs will be aggressive. They are outnumbered. At our dog park, when there are tons of dogs, ANY dog who comes in is met with a gang of dogs. Never have I seen a fight when a dog comes in and is surrounded. Never. Dogs are simply not so stupid as to stand up to a pack of dogs. Really dumb. And there was no follow up. Put that doggy back on a leash and walk down the street with the "usual" dogs. I betcha nothing will have changed. On top of that, fearful dogs will gradually become more confident and curious after time lapses, and be more social. They never said anything about the amount of time the dogs were together.

Third problem: With separation anxiety, if you go back when a dog cries, EVEN to scold it, you are still giving the dog what it wants: YOU. And you can never catch howling in the act in that situation, the way it was on the show. As soon as you walk in the door, the howling stops and then you yell at the dog? That means "Don't stop howling!!" I believe in the method where you go out for a few seconds and then longer and longer periods such that your dog learns that you will always come back.

I just hate that people think this Dog Whisperer is so great when really, he's full a crap. Nothing in that sociability segment could not have been accomplished by going to a good dog park for a few hours (no aggressive doggies in it of course). And I doubt anything will result from the cruddy advice about the separation anxiety.

What this guy does, is he takes say an excited dog and he just waits for it to calm down and then says it's because of "the energy transmitted through the leash". Whatever. Any dog will eventually calm down if you stand there completely still with the dog on a leash. Dogs get bored too you know.

"Dogs need to be balanced, aligned, in tune and grounded." What the heck is that? Dogs don't need any of that in my opinion. They're not friggen cars. :rolleyes: Dogs need leadership, need to have routine and consistency and need to be a part of a pack.

And he goes on to say that dogs will either choose fight, flight, avoid, or submission when they come into contact with another dog. What about play? What about ignore? Ignoring is not avoiding.

This guy is fulla crap. I hope Oprah sees that eventually. What a load. :rolleyes: Sorry this turned out to be so long. I just watched it so it's fresh fresh... ;)

Cactus Flower
May 12th, 2005, 01:43 AM
pshssashhhwwhaashhhhoushhhalmshhhhhh...........

(That was me, whispering).

Did it work? Do you feel better, Prin?

:D :p :D :p :D :p :D

Prin
May 12th, 2005, 01:44 AM
LOL I'm all calm now. I sent an email to Ops too. She should come to pets.ca for advice. We should all email her saying "Come to pets.ca!!"

Cactus Flower
May 12th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Woo hooooo! I am the Prin Whisperer!!!!!

When do I get my own show?

Prin
May 12th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Can you replace that @#$@^@%#&&*(@^? Yes? You start tomorrow. :)

By the way, if you really are the Prin whisperer, she has this problem of posting way too much. Can you help her?

bluntman
May 12th, 2005, 11:25 AM
I just hate that people think this Dog Whisperer is so great when really, he's full a crap.

I think thats a little harsh, after only seeing him on Opra. I watch his show a few times every week, he is not perfect, but he is trying to help people and there dogs. To many people get a dog, can't handle it and send it to the pound, get another dog, and do the same thing. He shows people the dog is not the problem, they are, and explains in a way they can underatand how to fix the problem. He is well aware that two minutes with his dog's will not cure Opras dog, He often take's a dog agressiff dog, to his insitute, were the dog will spend weeks or month's learning how to socalize with other dogs. You must take his show with a grain of salt, no dog is cured in 15 minutes, but he does demonstrate that the problem is not permenant, and can be addressed if done properly. This is something not all dog owners are aware of, they think a dogs behavour is perminant, and cannot be changed, he shows that it can be changed, and I won't critisize anyone for trying to help people better understand there dog's behavior, after all thats what this site is about.
Maybe after you see his show, you will understand he really love's dogs, and really tries to help people the best he can.

Prin
May 12th, 2005, 12:57 PM
I've seen him a few times and my opinion of him doesn't change. IMO, he's just trying to make money.

Like Jada Pinkett, saying "We've brought 9 dogs to him". If it was a good trainer with help anybody can USE, by the third (maximum) the client should know how to do it themselves. Like Tenderfoot's methods. She doesn't HAVE to be there EVERY time you have a problem. She teaches you to do it yourself.

happycats
May 12th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Like Jada Pinkett, saying "We've brought 9 dogs to him". If it was a good trainer with help anybody can USE, by the third (maximum) the client should know how to do it themselves. Like Tenderfoot's methods. She doesn't HAVE to be there EVERY time you have a problem. She teaches you to do it yourself.

But when some people are that rich, they "always" have someone else do EVERYTHING for them!! Alot of them have Nannies raising thier children!!! :rolleyes:
(they have no desire to do it themselves) :(

Copper'sMom
May 18th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I would have been nervous about the pit bull, simply because they are known to be dog aggressive. I love pit bulls, but I will admit that if a lab ran up to Raj or Chloe, it would not cause me near the amount of concern as if a pit bull did.

(My pitX was no exception, by the way.)

So, at the risk of being drawn and quartered here, I have to say that I completely understand Oprah's reaction.

Now that I've had time to read this thread, it's my turn to post! BTW, I'm not throwing rocks here! :D

I completely agree with you CF about being nervous with a Pit. People may not agree with this, but sometimes you have to look at the end of the leash to see who's walking the dog or vice versa(dog walking human!). I realize you can't judge the looks of the owner all of the time! I'm sure I get some looks just because I look like a twelve year old with a Pit Bull! And there are some people who have earrings pierced all over and tattoed from head to toe and you can't always judge them either because they can be nicer than the average looking lady or fellow. BUT, look how the dog is walking. Does it look out of control?? Is the dog walking the owner?? Does the owner look like he/she is concentrating on controlling the dog?? Maybe I should say, read the body language of the dog and human--not judge the person at the other end of the leash!

Just because I own two Pits now, doesn't mean I trust every Pit I see! If I see someone else with a Pit, I look at them and their dog to see how both of them are acting. If I see their dog walking them, I'd run across the street too! This goes for any large breed dog that looks out of hand! There is a scrap yard in our area where we work and they have the meanest Chihauaha(sp??). I will not walk into their shop, if that dog is around. It always attacks!!

There are many threads on here where pit bull owners have jumped on posters for having more than one pit left alone with each other, pointed out that they do become animal aggressive (but love people to no end), and advised the posters that sooner or later, their pit bull WILL become aggressive to other dogs.

Who the heck posted this??
When it comes to having more than one pit, they should NEVER be left unattended with each other. Yes, Pits CAN become animal aggressive-more like DOG aggressive, but this doesn't mean that they will!! There's always the small chance. It can be in their genes and there's not much you can do about it except take precaution!

Pits were never bred to be HUMAN AGGRESSIVE -- this is a learned behaviour. They CAN be dog aggressive but it's not always the case! And as always, when around a strange dog you should know how to act and how not to act because the dog is reading your body language as well!

Cactus Flower
May 18th, 2005, 10:00 PM
In the example I gave about a lab running up to my dog versus a pit bull running up to my dog, I meant if they were off leash. I should have specified that, sorry. Good advice, though, about looking to the owner of a leashed dog (any breed, really), too, for body language, control, etc.


Copper's Mom....I am confused. It seems that you and I agree regarding the second quote of mine you posted. Yet you wrote "who the heck posted this?", as though you took issue with it. I was saying that pit bull owners here have warned not to leave two pit bulls together, unattended, because they can become aggressive....and you went on to concur exactly that. And I never said they were human-aggressive. Could it be that you misread what I'd written?

A current thread where pit bull owners themselves are warning someone never to leave two pit bulls alone together because they will likely become aggressive towards one another is:

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=14646&goto=newpost

Copper'sMom
May 19th, 2005, 10:20 AM
CF i couldn't agree with you more if a Pit was off leash!! This goes for any dog for that matter!! I was once walking Copper and a huge black dog came running out towards us. Scared the crap out of me, but I roared out "GET" and the dog ran back to it's house. I also stood in front of Copper to protect him. I'd rather a dog go after me than my baby! Also the owner was standing out there and didn't do a thing!!!! I found out later, it was a Newf!

For the second quote I'll type them both out - in what you posted and what I would have posted and I'll put the different words in bold type so you can see the difference in the wording. Example: the words "can" and "will" and "do" --these words have different meanings!!

You posted this:
There are many threads on here where pit bull owners have jumped on posters for having more than one pit left alone with each other, pointed out that they do become animal aggressive (but love people to no end), and advised the posters that sooner or later, their pit bull WILL become aggressive to other dogs.

I would have posted this:
There are many threads on here where pit bull owners have jumped on posters for having more than one pit left alone with each other, pointed out that they can become animal aggressive (but love people to no end), and advised the posters that their pit bull CAN become aggressive to other dogs.

I left out sooner or later because it doesn't necessarily apply. CAN, DO and WILL are different. CAN means - ability to do something, DO means - to perform an action, WILL means - the power or ability to deliberately decide or choose to act; also future tense

What you had typed(or other posters who posted the above quotes) means that the pit bull will indeed, for sure, absolutely positively become dog aggressive - which is not the case. There is a chance pit bulls can become dog aggressive, but there is also a chance I will never win the biggest jackpot lottery playing Lotto 649!!!

Copper'sMom
May 19th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Copper's Mom....I am confused. It seems that you and I agree regarding the second quote of mine you posted. Yet you wrote "who the heck posted this?", as though you took issue with it. I was saying that pit bull owners here have warned not to leave two pit bulls together, unattended, because they can become aggressive....and you went on to concur exactly that. And I never said they were human-aggressive. Could it be that you misread what I'd written?

Sorry CF, I did take offence just because of how it was worded!! But the above quote that you wrote, the right word is in there - CAN!!! :thumbs up

nymph
May 19th, 2005, 11:05 AM
I think thats a little harsh, after only seeing him on Opra. I watch his show a few times every week, he is not perfect, but he is trying to help people and there dogs.

My friend and I were talking about this particular episode of Oprah (both of us were ashamed to admit that we even watched Oprah to begin with), he thought the show was amazing! So did I. How quickly the DW turned Sophie around, even just for a short period of time, it was just amazing! I think that's definitely a positive aspect: that proper training and soclialization CAN and WILL change a dog's behaviors for the better.

Copper'sMom
May 19th, 2005, 11:11 AM
How quickly the DW turned Sophie around, even just for a short period of time, it was just amazing! I think that's definitely a positive aspect: that proper training and soclialization CAN and WILL change a dog's behaviors for the better.

It's all in how you hold the leash!!! If your leash is tight(tension) this is what your dog feels and becomes! If your are tense, your dog will be too! If you are calm, your dog will be too. Unfortunately, it's easier said than done!!(especially around large, mean looking breeds!)

Cactus Flower
May 19th, 2005, 12:59 PM
I see the difference now, CoppersMom. Thanks for pointing that out.

Still, I stand by my original wording, as I was pointing out what has been said, and what has been said in other threads is that they "will" eventually become animal aggressive. Not that other people haven't said "it is a possibility but not a definite". Sure, people have said that, as well.

But I am sorry I offended you. That was not my intention. And anything I post about this topic does not taint or lessen my opinion of you as a Mom, or your furbaby, either. This just boils down to differing opinions, I think.

Copper'sMom
May 19th, 2005, 01:24 PM
I see the difference now, CoppersMom. Thanks for pointing that out.

Still, I stand by my original wording, as I was pointing out what has been said, and what has been said in other threads is that they "will" eventually become animal aggressive. Not that other people haven't said "it is a possibility but not a definite". Sure, people have said that, as well.

But I am sorry I offended you. That was not my intention. And anything I post about this topic does not taint or lessen my opinion of you as a Mom, or your furbaby, either. This just boils down to differing opinions, I think.


CF, it wasn't you who offended me but whoever wrote that Pits WILL be aggressive!! It's up to us as responsible owners to PREVENT and AVOID these possible situations! :D Sure, I worry myself about this happening, but it's up to ME to be there IF the occasion was to arise.

Cactus Flower
May 19th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Very true, CoppersMom. It is all about responsible pet ownership.

nymph
May 20th, 2005, 05:03 PM
It's all in how you hold the leash!!! If your leash is tight(tension) this is what your dog feels and becomes! If your are tense, your dog will be too! If you are calm, your dog will be too. Unfortunately, it's easier said than done!!(especially around large, mean looking breeds!)

It's definitely easier said than done, I know that one for sure. :D

Akeeter
May 27th, 2005, 02:59 AM
After supplying all that personal info., the least they could to is email back that they rec'd it! :mad:

Schwinn
May 27th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Oprah tends to ignore anyone who is negative towards her. I saw this happen with another show where she controlled it and twisted everything in her favour, then when people actually called her on it, she ignored it.