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URGENT- Need Nursing Momma Cat

canine14
April 28th, 2005, 11:28 AM
As many of you know, I took in the little kitten originally posted by SOS Miow. He is now 11 days old and doing really well on the bottle, except for one major thing: he is having trouble pooping. After a lengthy discussion with my vet, a nursing Momma would be best for Norton ASAP. The Momma would stimulate him properly and there is obviously the right protein/water ratio in her milk that would prevent constipation.

PLEASE HELP. I will take in any friendly nursing mother with only a few kittens (in order to have room for Norton). I will then find good, responsible homes for the kittens (if I didn't decide to keep them myself!) in a few months after they are old enough to be spayed/neutered.

We are beyond attached to Norton and want to do the right thing. Any Momma would be brought to the vet and tested for FIV/FeLv before letting Norton nurse.

THANK YOU,
Lisa.

kayla
April 28th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Lisa I've just pm'd you..

badger
April 28th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Does this mean your offer to take the mom and kittens from that guy (other thread) has fallen through? I wonder if the SPCA could help you. Poor Norton.

Lucky Rescue
April 28th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Does this mean your offer to take the mom and kittens from that guy (other thread) has fallen through?

Lisa has no means of getting in touch with him.:(

LIsa how are you stimulating the kitten? You have to stroke pretty firmly with a moist cottonball.

BMDLuver
April 28th, 2005, 02:19 PM
I pm'd Lisa about mineral oil. Two drops in the formula makes a big difference as it works to help them poop. I know it definitely helped the little 5 day old pups I was feeding. The vet recommended it. Of course, Lisa may already have that in the formula. Poor little Norton... at least he's in the best hands possible right now!

canine14
April 28th, 2005, 02:53 PM
My vet is very pragmatic and suggested I try a Mama cat first. The problem is that there is a risk of diarrhea if you add stuff to the formula and diarrhea can be fatal. Of course, so can not pooping. My tailless cats with Manx Syndrome have taught me how fragile the bowel system really is.

I have a contact checking the SPCA for me right now to see if they have a Mama cat and kittens that I woul djust "take" and then find homes for later (without their help).

Lisa.

Lucky Rescue
April 28th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Lisa I just found this on a cat site. I hope it will help.

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Constipated or straining kittens? In this case, you would want to increase the strength of the formula, and feed slightly smaller amounts, but feed more frequently. If the kitten has a swollen abdomen and hasn't passed a bowel movement in over a day, you may want to try mineral oil given by mouth (3 drops per ounce of body weight). You may want to discuss with your vet whether or not a warm, soap-water enema can or should be given

CyberKitten
April 28th, 2005, 07:55 PM
I ran into this problem with one kitten I was hand rearing many yrs ago - and the closest vet and cats were not his specialty - farm animals and any animal that worked in some way took priority! (His attitude was very old school and it was good luck and if you lose one or two, you did your best!) Fortunately, I had my grandmother and her experience. But no nursing mother. (Most of the barn cats had been spayed by this time by gram, thankfully - these kittens were the offspring of a stray mamma killed by a four legged metal object that is weighed by the tons)

Her advice was similar to Lucky's. Increase the strength of the formula (and our formula was less complicated than KMR and the ones we use today - 15 yrs or so later. We had primarily evaporated milk, glucose and hot water - all simmered together, cooled and then bottle fed), and feed slightly smaller amounts, but feed more frequently.

Marmalade (my kitten with the problem) had a swollen tummy and had not passed a bowel movement in over a day and so in desperation more than anything else (nothing all that scientific), we tried giving her mineral oil by mouth.I have read since the recommended does is 3 drops per ounce of body weight but we actually played it by ear but erred in the side of caution. My vet says 1 ml water with a small drop of olive oil also works.

IF then none of that works, the vet may need to give her an enema. I agree with the vet that a mama who has newborns and is good with them (Some are not!) would be great but I wonder about adding a mom cat when this kitten is 11 days old?

Are you rubbing/stroking the little one vigourously enough? I know that took me awhile to figure out what was right - on the one hand, I wanted to make sure they eliminated and that I could be a good "pretend" mama but on the other, I was afraid of hurting them - they were soooo tiny! You probably have it down pat - just thought I'd ask since sometimes the obvious does not always come to us when we are very worried about something.

Good luck!! I wish I had more help to offer. It sounds like he is in great hands!! (Literally!!)

I am adding a pict of Marmalade - one of the four I raised - just to show you. Maybe she will be inspiring! :) (It is a scanned photo from an old one so I hope it is OK)

canine14
April 28th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I found a Mama at the SPCA Laval whose 8 week-old kittens were taken away from her today. She has one good nipple and lo and behold, as soon as Norton drank, and I stimulated him, a tiny bit of poo came out. It is not nearly enough poo though and this Mama has probably had it with kittens after 8 weeks of nursing already. In other words, I need a Mama with younger kittens whose nipples are full of milk. Noa is a great surrogate in the mean time. I will have her spayed and find her a good home. She seems like a nice enough cat.

STILL KEEP LOOKING PLEASE AND LET ME KNOW ASAP. I LOVE NORTON!!!!

Lisa.

Lucky Rescue
April 28th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Lisa you are too awesome. Thanks for saving that mamma cat who would surely die if not for you! :thumbs up

canine14
April 29th, 2005, 06:01 AM
I really need a Momma cat with young kittens. Noa is very readily giving what little milk she has when we put Norton on her but she just leaves him the rest of the time. He still hasn't pooed properly and his belly is distended. We will be at the vet as soon as it opens.

PLEASE HELP.

There has to be a Momma cat out there somewhere in Rescue-land!

Lisa.

chico2
April 29th, 2005, 08:20 AM
Canine14,you are amazing,I :love: you for your great big caring heart :love:
There just has to be a nursing mom out there....wish you and little Norton best of luck in your struggles :grouphug:

Lucky Rescue
April 29th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Lisa, we can get a nursing mother with 4 kittens, but they are coming off a farm and have earmites.

I am PMing you the tel#

canine14
April 29th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I am arranging the pick up now!

Poor Noa will be happy to be "retired" from nursing. She will have to be spayed ASAP! Lucky, I will send you info on her so we can find her a home. She freaks out in small spaces but seems to get along with dogs and cats.

I wil keep everyone posted. Poor Norton still hasn't pooed much even though Noa has half-heartedly been licking him. I have to say though that there is no substitute for a Momma cat and Norton has been happily plugging away at her nipple.

Lisa.

canine14
April 29th, 2005, 12:08 PM
Norton pooed. He had a hard time but I guess there really is no substitute for mother's milk.

Lisa.

Lucky Rescue
April 29th, 2005, 12:27 PM
You're getting the cat and kittens from J? Wonderful - their future was very grim with this farmer.

Of course we will help you place them all.:)

CyberKitten
April 29th, 2005, 03:24 PM
I am so happy to hear yet another cat and her babies will get a chance at life. You are a true kitty angel canine14!! :thumbs up And I am thrilled to hear the little guy is doing well!! Well done to you and to mama cat!

canine14
April 29th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Still waiting for Momma cat. Noa gave up and I can't say I blame her. Norton's back on the bottle.

Keep your fingers crossed!

Lisa.

canine14
April 30th, 2005, 08:10 AM
I got a Momma cat from a wonderful woman Lucky knows. A poor man had come to her door and asked for help for his cats. It was heart-breaking, she said, when he took out his last $20 and tried to give it to her. Anyway, now a beautiful all-grey mostly short-haired girl has joined my family along with 4 of the most scrumptious kittens around. The only problem is that the farmer thought that the kittens were 3 weeks old, and that would have put them only 1 week above Norton, but they are more like 5-6 weeks old and much bigger than my litle guy. The kittens are already in full play mode and try to wrestle with him. I must say though that they are pretty gentle with him, especially when he tries to nurse off of their noses.

I will post a picture later today.

THANKS LUCKY for keeping an eye out for me!

Lisa.

chico2
April 30th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Awww Lisa,that's wonderful news,I cannot wait for pics....little Norton probably has to fight for his spot,but I am sure he now will be ok :thumbs up
Kudos to the poor man who looked for someone to take care of momma and kittens,rater than dumping them :love:

CyberKitten
April 30th, 2005, 01:58 PM
What a heartwarming story canine!! And yes, isn't that wonderful of that man! A thoughtful caring soul!

SOS MIOW
April 30th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Hi Lisa,

What about the other mother and kittens from Mr. Dufresne. I gave you his number this morning and hope you called him. If not, please let me know.

He was really hoping to hear from you.

I mentioned in previous posts that he was calling me today (Saturday) and that I would put him in touch with you.

SOS

canine14
May 1st, 2005, 12:14 AM
I've been quite ill this evening and went to bed very early.

I will call the man Sun. AM, and see what I can do, but I already have such a full house and have saved two Momma cats in the past few days. I was prepared to help this man earlier in the week but you mis-wrote his number and I couldn't let Norton suffer until Saturday when this gentleman was supposed to call. What if I had waited in vain? The situation was far too critical.

I'll keep everyone posted. If the gentleman's kittens are really 7 days old then it would be ideal actually for Norton. The kittens he is with now are 6 weeks old and quadruple his size and full of spit and vinegar.

Lisa.

SOS MIOW
May 1st, 2005, 01:14 AM
I spoke to you this morning at 8:30 am and told you that Dufresne had called me and I took both his numbers for you. You told me to PM them to you, which I did at 8:47 am. I see by the times of various postings that you were on the site a lot today, but never looked at my PM until 5:47 by which time you had already made arrangements to get another mother & kittens.

Why didn't you respond to my PM? If you have taken other kitties, I will have to call Dufresne on Sunday morning and take the mother & babies to our shelter .... I was sure you were going to follow up my phone call this morning and contact Dufresne.

I really hope he hasn't taken them to the SPCA or the vet to be put down.

canine14
May 1st, 2005, 08:14 AM
Lucky,

Can you please delete SOS's post? It makes me sound like a deadbeat and I do not want my reputation in rescue smeared. In fact, I have saved two Mama cats from certain death within the last few days and countless other cats in the past, many of them at death's door.

I was working all morning yesterday at a RC Church and coordinating the First Communions. I did not check the computer until I got home last night at 5:40 PM. How could I? I was running around like mad and I was driving a lot in the afternoon. One of the places I had to go was to the vet to pick up ear mite treatments for the latest Mama and her kittens. Of course, I pay for all of this out-of-pocket. Janet only called be at 2 PM and I have proof on my cell. I was driving and had a child passenger and I was not going to endanger her by writing down a phone number. Last night, I had a violent migraine including nausea and I was unable in my weakened state to find anyone to call Mr. Dufresne who only speaks French. This morning at Church, I will find someone to call him.

Thank you.

SOS MIOW
May 1st, 2005, 10:06 AM
Lucky,

Can you please delete SOS's post? It makes me sound like a deadbeat and I do not want my reputation in rescue smeared. In fact, I have saved two Mama cats from certain death within the last few days and countless other cats in the past, many of them at death's door.



I apologize for the terse tone of my posting. I am very worried about the little family from Mr. Dufresne. If no one calls him today, he will bring them to our shelter between noon and 3:00 pm. while we are having an adoption clinic. I'd much rather see them go into a home.

Lucky Rescue
May 1st, 2005, 10:12 AM
Lisa, you are not running a rescue, yet in the past week or so you have saved the orphan kitten, two female cats and a litter of kittens.

I think you've done enough - a million times more than most people would EVER do!

Thank you so much!! You can bring the first mamma to our adoption event next week!:)

When you get pics of the kittens, please send them to me.

canine14
May 1st, 2005, 10:30 AM
A friend called Mr. Dufresne for me and I am going there to pick up the family to save him a trip because he seems like an older man.

The kittens are 12 days old and that is PERFECT for little Norton. I will follow up on the adoption clinic but next Sat. is my mom's b-day so it may only be at the next clinic. By then, I can have the SPCA Mama fixed and the kittens from Mama #2 (and the Mama once spayed) will be ready for adoption.

You are right; I am not a rescue, but I feel like one sometimes. I would call it the St. Clare Cat Rescue. I sure wish I had my farm now.

Lisa.

chico2
May 1st, 2005, 10:34 AM
Canine14,you might not be an official rescue,but you sure are doing wonderful things :love:
Best of luck with little Norton(don't know why I keep thinking of donuts(Horton!) )and the others... would sooo love some pics.

canine14
May 1st, 2005, 07:43 PM
Norton now has the perfect family. Suzie, the Momma, is a semi-longhaired tortie with green eyes and the sweetest disposition imaginable. She has three of the cutest babies: Ben (buff and white), Trixie (dilute calico) and Ralph (red tabby). I just peeked into their box and Norton, with the fullest belly, is sleeping on his back with his paws in the air beside his new brothers and sisters.

Breathing a sigh of relief,
Lisa.

PS Photos will be coming once camera is picked up from friend's house.

chico2
May 2nd, 2005, 08:00 AM
Canine,that is great fuzzy-feeling news..lucky little Norton :love:

badger
May 2nd, 2005, 09:07 AM
Lisa, you are a

BMDLuver
May 2nd, 2005, 09:26 AM
awww Lisa, I'm so happy for Norton. I couldn't get on all weekend while away and kept thinking of the little guy. So happy to hear that he is doing well and that you got the mommy cat as well. You're the best!

poodletalk
May 2nd, 2005, 11:31 AM
Hi Lisa,

I have a quality home looking for a male kitten. I am wondering when any of your kittens will be available for adoption? Thanks.

SOS MIOW
May 2nd, 2005, 08:34 PM
Hi Lisa,

I have a quality home looking for a male kitten. I am wondering when any of your kittens will be available for adoption? Thanks.

We have 2 young (3-1/2 mos old) male kittens who arrived last Thursday. They are in excellent health and will be vaccinated this week. For pix, see www.sosmiow.com under section "Our Cats" (names are Spock & Gizmo). Both are real sweethearts.

kayla
May 9th, 2005, 01:15 AM
Aaaaaw, I haven't been online in a while and just checked this thread and I'm so happy Norton is doing well! I was thinking about him this week and wondering how he had taken to his new mom. I'm looking forward to seeing those pics! Good job Lisa! :thumbs up

canine14
May 12th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Finally, my camera is up and running. Norton is now 25 days old. He is one day younger than his adopted siblings but he is much smaller even though he is developing well otherwise (eg. his ears are unfolding, his eyes are open, etc.). I asked the vet today about what to do and he recommended a tiny tiny bit of Nutrical a few times a day.

Well, here he is:

canine14
May 12th, 2005, 10:42 PM
And here he is with Cookie (Monster), his adopted Momma, who has tended to him and nursed him as one of her own from the first second she saw him. Cookie is also only 7 months old!

Lucky Rescue
May 12th, 2005, 10:57 PM
I was wondering how it was going. Awww, look at that little bobble-head! So glad he's doing okay.

Cookie looks like a sweet little girl and I know she'll get a wonderful home!:)

canine14
May 12th, 2005, 11:01 PM
She will ... with me! She is my special girl and she kisses me all day long. I could never part with her. She'll be one of the "keepers." I do however have other adults that I need to adopt out and will send you their bios tomorrow. Thanks LR!

mesaana
May 12th, 2005, 11:28 PM
That's really wonderful! You're a great lady :)

BMDLuver
May 13th, 2005, 07:29 AM
Norton is absolutely adorable! What a cute little mite. I'm so glad he was able to be helped. Great going!

chico2
May 13th, 2005, 08:17 AM
Canine,thank's for the pics..what a sweet little angel,a very lucky little Norton to have found you,a real feel-good-story :love:
I was looking at sweet Cookie,one good little mama,wondering what was going to happen to her :confused:
Then I read you were keeping her....yeah!!!
The only female I ever had,looked just like your Cookie and her name was also Cookie,my youngest son(at the time 8yrs)brought her home one day in his pocket,she lived to be 18yrs old.

poodletalk
May 13th, 2005, 09:03 AM
Are you keeping Norton as well??

SOS MIOW
May 13th, 2005, 09:21 AM
I'm so glad things worked out well for the little orphan and Mr. Dufresne's sweet family. Please let the Dufresnes know that you intend to keep Cookie. They'll will be so happy. I'm glad I found Pets.ca and all of you people to help.

We are having an adoption clinic on Saturday at the Carrefour Don Quichotte (where the Metro store is, across from one of the big car dealers) from noon to 3:00 pm. I invite you to come by and see us.

canine14
May 13th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Poodletalk,

Of course I'm keeping Norton! After bottle feeding him for a week and a half and then finding three Mama cats to nurse him, how could I give him up? The first Mama cat is with my ex-husband and he loves her to death. The second Mama cat is here with her four precious babies and Cookie is the final Mama cat with her three (plus Norton). All of the above will be coming with us to the farm and living in a state-of-the-art cat suite.

Lucky Rescue
May 13th, 2005, 10:47 AM
Lisa, I'm sure you could bring the babies to our June 11th adoption event at Finnegan's. We usually find good homes there!!:)