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LabMom
April 20th, 2005, 09:51 AM
We just got our new puppy last Sat. and we're having some problems. My 15 mo old refuses to let me put her down if the puppy is walking around. My question is this, is it bad to keep him in the crate all day. We take him outside every 45 min-an hour. But when he comes back in the house I have to put him back or I have to walk around holding her and I can't do that. If it's not good to keep him in the crate then I guess our only alternative is to ....welll I don't even wanna say it. He's only about 9 wks so he's very jumpy and bity and I guess that scares her. He's a Lab by the way. any suggestions?

goldenblaze
April 20th, 2005, 09:56 AM
No it is not alright to leave this pup in a crate all day, how sad of a life for a little puppy that needs to be with people. Sorry but the young child is something you should of thought of before having this young pup come in your home. The pup is like your child a baby , it needs the same attention not put in a crate for no reason other then being a puppy. :(
Even with training Labs can and most are very hyper till age 2 at least, maybe you should think of finding a loving home that can handle this pup. No pup deserves to be in a crate this is really sad to me and why I don't like crates... people over use them.

LabMom
April 20th, 2005, 10:07 AM
No it is not alright to leave this pup in a crate all day, how sad of a life for a little puppy that needs to be with people. Sorry but the young child is something you should of thought of before having this young pup come in your home. The pup is like your child a baby , it needs the same attention not put in a crate for no reason other then being a puppy. :(
Even with training Labs can and most are very hyper till age 2 at least, maybe you should think of finding a loving home that can handle this pup. No pup deserves to be in a crate this is really sad to me and why I don't like crates... people over use them.


First of all, my home is a loving home so I don't appreciate you even writing anything even hinting to the contrary!!!! Second, of all, I don't know about you but my children come FIRST! My baby does not react that way to other dogs we know and I'm not psychic so how was I to know.

Beaglemom
April 20th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Keeping a puppy in a crate all day really is unfair. A dog that is always in a crate will not learn the proper manners it needs to know to be around children. You can't expect a puppy who never gets to play or interact with people to learn how to be around people, in particular your little girl.

The only way your puppy will learn to not bite is if you teach it that. A 9 wk old puppy needs to be socialized, and this can't happen if it is locked up in a crate all day. Also, he will not get the opportunity to get the proper amount of exercise that he requires. This will in turn lead to bad behavior.

I think you might want to consider enrolling your puppy in a puppy class, that way you can learn how to teach your puppy proper manners.

Your little girl probably is scared that the puppy will bite her. Litte puppy teeth can hurt, especially baby's skin.

There are other alternatives than giving up your puppy or keeping him in a crate all day. I strongly suggest you get your dog some training. Once he learns not to bite or jump on your daughter, I'm sure she will be more comfortable around him.

You must also teach your daughter how to be around the puppy so that she does not hurt him.

It can be done, you just have to want to do it and invest the time in it.

Eleni
April 20th, 2005, 10:15 AM
i ahve 3 very young children, and I have been able to allow my pup who does jump a little and can nip at times around my kids, it involved alot of time patince and supervision of both the kdis and the dog, But that dog should not be in the crate ALL the time

my pup i try to match every hour he spends in the crate with an hour free in the house to socialise.

if you dont let him socialise with the family he wont stop these behaviours.

it is possible to be still training a pup with young children but it takes ALOT of time all around, if you cant devote that time then a new home may be necessary for the pups well being


Eleni

Copper'sMom
April 20th, 2005, 10:20 AM
Well you certainly have your handsful! My only suggestion is you could keep the leash on the pup, so you can control her jumping on your child. Puppies nip no matter what. It's teething - when the pup nips, tell her "NO" and put a toy in her mouth instead. Please do not hit the pup. The pup has to learn her boundaries in the house, so by keeping a leash on her you can do this without having to chase her all around. OR using baby gates to block off a room gives the pup much more room to roam and block rooms which you don't want the pup to go into. You have to teach BOTH your child and the pup, how to interact with each other. You CAN do it. It's like having two children. You wouldn't discipline one child more than the other, would you? They both have to learn.

Dogs can take a few years to mature. Your pup is at the most crucial time of her life right now, for learning what is good behaviour and bad behaviour. If the dog is not taught properly, you will have more trouble later on correcting her. Please seek professional training(obedience class). These classes are intended for the owner more so than the pup! You have to know "doggy language" in order to communicate with your pup properly!

BTW, I once knew someone who got a chocolate lab pup and they had a toddler at the time as well. This pup spent day and night in a crate in a dark room. The dog knew nothing because the people who owned her didn't have the time and patience. It was the saddest thing I have ever seen. We are no longer friends now either.

BeagleMum
April 20th, 2005, 10:27 AM
The first thing that you probably should have done is introduce your child to the puppy before you even got him. It is the same procedure if you have another pet in the house, they should be introduced to see how things go before a decision is made.

Now that you have the puppy, I really wouldn't suggest sticking him in a crate all day, it isn't fair to him.

I hope that your child can adjust because I would hate to see you have to give him up. I just got a puppy and I got attached to him the second I got him. I couldn't have imagined giving him up even after a day.

Good luck.

LabMom
April 20th, 2005, 10:30 AM
The first thing that you probably should have done is introduce your child to the puppy before you even got him. It is the same procedure if you have another pet in the house, they should be introduced to see how things go before a decision is made.

Now that you have the puppy, I really wouldn't suggest sticking him in a crate all day, it isn't fair to him.

I hope that your child can adjust because I would hate to see you have to give him up. I just got a puppy and I got attached to him the second I got him. I couldn't have imagined giving him up even after a day.

Good luck.


See, he came from another state so we all meant him at the same time. i have other children too so we are all attached to him.

goldenblaze
April 20th, 2005, 10:33 AM
First of all, my home is a loving home so I don't appreciate you even writing anything even hinting to the contrary!!!! Second, of all, I don't know about you but my children come FIRST! My baby does not react that way to other dogs we know and I'm not psychic so how was I to know.

I didn't say you didn't have a loving home... but pups need love and training too, not to be put in a crate all day. Children come first I understand this but again a 9 weeks old pup is like a child!

LabMom
April 20th, 2005, 10:34 AM
BTW, she loves him when he's laying down or in the crate, but as soon as e walks up to her, she's done. He's so smart. After only 4 full days of being here he's already learned not to jump up on her. we were thinking of getting a baby gate for the kitchen and having him hang out there.

BeagleMum
April 20th, 2005, 10:35 AM
I know that my nephews are terrified of my Dad's dog and he has had her for over a year. I really don't know how to get a child to adjust. I would make sure maybe that when you have the dog out, he is on a leash and right next to you (Tied to your belt). That way he can't jump on the kids or nip and maybe your child will learn that the puppy is something that can be fun to play with.

Another thing too is try to avoid your dog from barking. I know that when my Dad's dog barks, the kids freak out. They don't seem to mind my dog because he doesn't bark or chase them at all.

The gate is a good idea, at least he would have more room to run around.

Lucky Rescue
April 20th, 2005, 10:55 AM
This is why getting little puppies when you have toddlers is a bad idea. Trying to housetrain, train, and socialize a puppy while caring for children is beyond many people. It would certainly be too much for me.

Puppies jump and nip and chew and bite and Labs are very mouthy that way. Naturally this will scare a baby and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Dogs are pack animals and need to be with their family. They are not cage pets and should never be kept in one all day. This is a tiny baby and will take LOTS of training and patience in the next year or two.

If you decide to rehome him please be very careful.

Prin
April 20th, 2005, 12:55 PM
If I was you, I would rehome this little guy. Puppies and toddlers who are terrified of them don't mix. You should have either brought her to see some puppies first to see her reaction or got an older, calmer dog. At least since he's young, he'll still be super cute and finding him a new home will be easier.

Just please don't crate him while he is developing socially and physically. You wouldn't crate your daughter and let her out 5 minutes every hour, would you? Why is it ok then for a dog?

LittleLoves
April 20th, 2005, 02:06 PM
I think a baby-gate in the kitchen is a fantastic idea.

My daughter was 7 when we got our dog Lady and even then I had to separate the two until Lady learned not to jump constantly. I was better able to control interactions between the two because she was confined to one (smallish) part of the house. She's a very hyper dog and even walking quickly through the house makes her play chase! A gate to separate is the way to go.

Princesss04
April 20th, 2005, 02:29 PM
I think a baby gate would be a wonderful idea. It only hurts the problem in the long run if you crate the animal all the time. I wish I could get people to understand that. Just put a gate up and start working with your fur baby and your skin baby together. :D

nymph
April 20th, 2005, 03:32 PM
We just got our new puppy last Sat. and we're having some problems. My 15 mo old refuses to let me put her down if the puppy is walking around. My question is this, is it bad to keep him in the crate all day. We take him outside every 45 min-an hour. But when he comes back in the house I have to put him back or I have to walk around holding her and I can't do that. If it's not good to keep him in the crate then I guess our only alternative is to ....welll I don't even wanna say it. He's only about 9 wks so he's very jumpy and bity and I guess that scares her. He's a Lab by the way. any suggestions?

Puppies jump and nip and bite and chew, that's what puppies do. You certainly have your hands full that's for sure, but I don't believe that locking a 9-wk old puppy all day long in a crate is a good idea.

Puppies sleep most of the time, so your real ordeal is when your puppy's awake. I also think a baby-gate is a fantastic idea: this way your puppy can see you and smell you so that he won't feel isolated. Puppies require a lot of work and patience, just like babies do.

I think you are doing just fine. With love and patience, your puppy would bond with all members of your family in no time! Keep us posted on the progress!

LabMom
April 20th, 2005, 03:34 PM
If I decide to do the baby gate for the kitchen, will that encourage him to go to the bathroom on the floor? He's been doing really well with going"potty" and i don't wanna mess that up. Should we crate him at night?

Princesss04
April 20th, 2005, 03:43 PM
I would continue to take him outside as much as you were to let him go potty. I would crate him at night and see how he does. I do not see anything wrong with crating him at night just make sure that is the first thing you do is let him out in the morning becuase he will need to go straight out and go potty.

nymph
April 20th, 2005, 04:04 PM
If I decide to do the baby gate for the kitchen, will that encourage him to go to the bathroom on the floor? He's been doing really well with going"potty" and i don't wanna mess that up. Should we crate him at night?

My puppy hated the crate, but he was only 7 weeks old when he first came to our home. Our solution: put him in a laundry basket with my dirty cloths and some papers right beside our bed; every time he woke up, I'd take him out immediately. In the first week, we'd wake up 7-8 times a night to the point that it always drove both of us crazy! But it had gradually got better and better each week. By week 10, he could hold up to 5 hours, and by week 12 he could pretty much sleep through the night. He's been sleeping in his crate since week 10 without any problem, but then his crate is place right beside our bed, he actually likes his crate now.

The good news is: it's going to get better, just hang in there. :)