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Walking a monster

kayla
March 24th, 2005, 03:04 PM
My 8 month puppy is sooooo hard to walk! She pulls until my arm feels like it's going to be ripped out of its socket. I stop when she pulls, tell her to sit/stay, which she does, but as soon as I take a step she's off again at full speed. I tried using a lupi but she broke it pretty quickly, it didn't really stop her pulling anyways, just made it easier on my arm. I tried a choke once but never again, it only worked to give her a hacking cough which she still has. I am going to get her another harness asap (a stronger one this time). She has also broken 3 retractable leashes in a matter of days. On the way back from the park she is much better, she knows heel and does it perfectly. It is just on the way there that she goes nuts! I have even tried playing with her indoors to tire her out before I take her to the park but even that doesn't work. I'm having so much trouble with this and it's making walking her really unenjoyable! Please help!

LavenderRott
March 24th, 2005, 03:12 PM
I would ditch the retractable leashes for starters. Check into a good leather one.

kayla
March 24th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Yes I figured that one out (only took three tries :rolleyes: ) Now I'm using a thick nylon leash which is still intact. ;)

poodletalk
March 24th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Hi Kayla, sounds like your dog needs to take some dog obidence classes. They will teach your dog how to walk properly on a leash, sit, heal, stay and lie down. I would also get yourself a proper leather leash. (They have some nice leather leashes and matching leather collars at JE Mondou store)If you live close to the southshore, I can give you a name of a trainer. She's excellent and she works with the treat method. The last couple of minutes of class, the dogs have time to socialize with each other.

Trinitie
March 24th, 2005, 04:10 PM
This may start an ugly discussion, but, if you're not dead set against the thought of it, a prong collar made for short hair dogs may be the answer.

Prong collars made for short hair dogs are made of plastic and have little nubs instead of actual prongs. It's far more humane than a choke collar as the dog doesn't like the pressure of the little points against it's neck and a couple of corrections is usually all it takes to get the dog to follow along. The more you train with it, the more you can get the dog to understand what you want it to do. The plastic prong collars are actually more gentle on the dog than the metal ones.

Just to head off one of the arguments I can hear in my head already:

Prong collars DO NOT puncture the skin if used in a proper fashion. Consult a trainer to learn how to use it properly. DO NOT assume that you can figure it out for yourself. You'll just make the dog scared to go for walks.

I hope this helps.

jjgeonerd
March 24th, 2005, 04:31 PM
Gabby also used to pull a lot. She now pulls very little, if at all, and is getting better all the time...and she only wears a wide flat collar. I have nothing against prongs or chokers, but training can accomplish the same thing.

Try this: Think of a command to give her that means stay close. We use "close" (go figure :) ). Whenever she pulls, stop walking and give the leash short quick tugs until she stops pulling and releases pressure. As soon as she does that praise her like crazy. The tugs should be hard enough that she feels it, but not so hard that it moves her around. They are designed as an annoyance, but she shouldn't be dragged around.

After she stops pulling you can start walking again...at which point she will start pulling again...just keep repeating the cycle until she gets the hang of it. You can also take 2-3 steps backward every so often when she pulls so she learns that she goes in the opposite direction when she pulls.

Most important is to BE PATIENT. The first few walks likely will last a while, but you'll only go around the block. Eventauuly she'll get the hang of it. We actually started by walking Gabby around the house and giving the command. Once she got the hang of it there (within one night) we went outside. Good luck! :thumbs up

GsdDiamond
March 24th, 2005, 04:38 PM
We use a metal prong collar on our Diamond, and let me tell you....the difference is night and day!!

When we first started our walks... I thought she was gonna rip my arm out of it's socket too! Our obedience class instructor recommended a prong collar and we saw an immediate difference. Now, after being trained on the prong collar, she knows how to walk properly.

On a side note, under the same conversation, we started to go to the off leash park. Using the prong collar for regular training has enabled us to "heel" Diamond while walking down the path without a leash. She still bolts, or tries to ....when she sees another dog, but we try to see the dog first and release her. She thinks we're still doing it! LOL

Sneaky2006
March 24th, 2005, 05:22 PM
I'd like to echo what Diamond said. But Yukon wouldn't just pull our arms out he just dragged us :( He's soooo strong. We went with the prong collar and the difference really is night and day.
He stays right by our side and our walks are way more enjoyable for the both of us. :)

Lucky Rescue
March 24th, 2005, 05:59 PM
The instant your dog pulls you, and you follow (however unwillingly) he has won. Dogs do what works!

No device or collar is going to work without training as well. I recommend obedience classes for every dog. Good for the dog, good for the bonding between you, and it will teach you HOW to train.

Agree with LV. No retractable leashes. You have no control over the dog with these, and they are only for well trained and obedient dogs to use.

SarahLynn123
March 24th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Training is definatly the key, Im working on that as well. Another device that I seen on the news the other day looks like it would work wonders! Its a harness that hooks up at the front, so when the dog pulls he/she is actually going to pull himself right around to face you (will be walking backwads if he pulls) So in order for the dog to have a regular walk he cant pull! Not sure if its on the shelves yet, but they use them at the humane society for walking the dogs. Its absolutly pain free, which is why I was really interested.
Hope things get better!
Sarah

twodogsandacat
March 24th, 2005, 06:26 PM
I wasn't 'allowed' to use a prong. So doing something I would never recommend now - I tried everything else. It didn't feel fair to me or the dog.

Halter: He learned how to turn and walk backwards.
Harness: He learned to walk sideways. A harness doesn't work in that situation.

Finally my back went out. After back surgery I had to put my foot down. A trainer suggested a prong collar. What was I waiting for???? Now he doesn't even feel it as there is always slack in the leash.

However: go to a trainer to teach YOU how to fit it and use it.

mona_b
March 24th, 2005, 06:30 PM
The instant your dog pulls you, and you follow (however unwillingly) he has won. Dogs do what works!

No device or collar is going to work without training as well. I recommend obedience classes for every dog. Good for the dog, good for the bonding between you, and it will teach you HOW to train.

I agree with this.

I also know of a few people who have used the prong for training.But when they put a regular collar on,it was back to square one with the pulling.This is why when they are puppies,training is very important.Especially the "heel" command.I have trained my dogs this at an early age.The biggest mistake is letting your pup pull you on the leash.Some people think it's cute.But as the pup gets bigger,it's not so cute anymore as they are ripping your arm out.

I admit I never took my dogs to obedience classes.But that's only because I knew how to train them.But I do recommend it to those who don't. :)

Sarah,I know which devise your talking about.It's been out for some time.A friend used it on her rescue a few years ago.It was great.

kayla
March 24th, 2005, 06:46 PM
She does know the command "heel" but doesn't listen to me when we are going to the park, only on the way back. Every time she pulls I stop, but it hasn't had any effect on her. It's like she can't think of anything but her goal: the park. I just took her out for a 2.5 hour walk and didn't go to the park, after about 30mins she realized we weren't going to the park and "heeled" for me, then saw another dog and forgot everything. I also just went and bought a harness for her, not because I thought it would help with the pulling but to protect her trachea, she has developed a weird cough.

What does a prong collar look like and where do you get one? I have never seen one. Maybe I will try that, at this point I am quite desperate! Would any trainer show me how to use this?

mona_b
March 24th, 2005, 07:22 PM
The prong has small "spikes" that are inside of the collar.Most pet stores have them.I would definately talk to a professional trainer about this.They will teach you how to use it. :)

Prin
March 24th, 2005, 08:37 PM
You have to go to a trainer to learn how to use a choke collar or prong collar and to learn how to leash train. This is something that most people do not figure out for themselves the first time. You can do serious damage to your dogs throat if you use either collar incorrectly. A retractible leash with a choker cancel each other out. Either you are leash training with a proper leash and a choker or you are not training and being pulled on a retractible leash.

If your dog dominates you while walking and you don't learn to conquer that, there could be some major problems down the road. You really have to go to obedience training and learn the techniques to train your dog.

jjgeonerd
March 24th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Although there are plenty of products designed to make your dog mind during walks, there is no magic one that always works. Gabby used to pull with a choker on (2 different styles), and a friend's dog pulled with a prong on...not as hard, but still pulled.

Training is the answer, but it takes both patience and consistency. A standard collar is sufficient with the correct training. A good example is horses...no person alive would be able to control a horse by force, with or without a collar, but with proper training force isn't needed.


Just my 2 cents. :D

kayla
March 24th, 2005, 11:15 PM
I have never used a retractable leash and choke together. When I use the retractable I used it like a normal leash, wrapped around my hand so it has no give. I just liked it for when I reached the park so she could have more room to run but I could still have control. Now I let her run off leash, she is completely reliable when I call her. She can see a dog across the field and start running full throttle and all I have to do is call her name and she comes running back to me (the magic of treats :D ).

I know dogs need training and that there is no quick fix. I used to help train and show Irish Wolfhounds (and horses) and grew up around many, many dogs. I thought I would remember how to do it from this experience, guess not.. I think obedience class would be a good thing to refresh my memory and to train me more than my dog, and have already decided to take her when I am in Vancouver in 4 weeks. Unfortunately I can't start one in Montreal for such a short time. If anyone knows of a place in Mtl where you can walk in and pay per class please let me know! But meanwhile I need advice, I'm hoping there is some great technique out there I have never heard of! So far I am learning to switch up her route (tried it again today) and it seems to work pretty well. But even with a well-trained horse, as soon as they know they are turned around and headed for home they are pretty hard to control :D

Sneaky2006
March 25th, 2005, 04:07 AM
Hi Kayla, check out this website, it was given to me by Lucky (thanks Lucky!) and it shows what it is and how to fit one. But I do agree with what was said about training along with the use of a prong collar.
http://www.leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm

matt
March 25th, 2005, 09:11 AM
A prong collar is probably the MOST humane training collar out there. Most people who are scared of it have no clue how it works or how to use it. You do not need a trainer to show you how to use this. It is nice if you have access but do not worry if you don't. There is some excellent info on the internet( the LEERBURG site mentioned is a good one) that can get you started.
WHEN USED PROPERLY with training the effect of the prong does not stop once you take it off. The dog becomes conditioned through the training. It is a "training tool" not a cure all and should be used as a tool. I would only use a metal one though . The principle is the same plastic or not.
Now I will say that if you cringe at hearing your dog voice it's discomfort during the "adjustment period" it will be hard to stick with. The dog WILL thank you later. I currently use prongs on both my GSD's and always have. I know how to fit them and am experienced using them. When you train for Obedience title you CANNOT use them. Dog #1 has her CD and DOG #2 his BH all done without prong . I put the prong back on after the trials.

kayla
March 25th, 2005, 10:23 AM
OMG is this what you guys are talking about??? :eek:
Looks pretty freaky! I think I will use training without and only use this as a very last resort! I just wish there was a good walk-in trainer in Mtl so I could start right away. I know of one in Vancouver but that doesn't really help my situation right now..
Thanks for the advice everyone!

jjgeonerd
March 25th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Sorry Kayla...didn't mean to imply you weren't familiar with training animals...just trying to make a point that special collars aren't necessary in my opinion. Even though Gabby walks well 90% of the time, she also can go crazy and start pulling when we see other dogs, squirrels, cats, etc. I just chalk it up to her only being 1 year old and keep using the techniques I described in my 1st post. She continually is getting better.

Yep...that's a prong collar. They look evil. Even though I don't use them, everything I've read suggests they are safer than chokers, which can damage a dogs trachea.

matt
March 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM
That's the issue , most people can't get past the look. You will need a training collar AND use it IN CONJUNCTION with training . Both work together and are MOST effective together. Again, because of the type of pressure this collar provides it is without question far more humane and most importantly SAFE. I have NEVER heard of any injury from a prong. You would have to intentionally abuse this collar to harm a dog. A choker , on the other hand, get's abused daily from my observations and there is documented cases (quite a few actually) of crushed tracheas from the misuse and abuse of the common choker. I would encourage you to continue to educate yourself from a variety of sources BEFORE you decide on a course of action. Good luck. :)

topaz_n29
March 25th, 2005, 11:50 AM
this is the first time i too have seen a prong collar..but i too think that u wud have to know what u are doing with it and do it properly. I have always used an ordinary choke collar..actually i usually have to look for mine..lol..Kassidy my shep/rottie is 2yrs. i forgot to put his on the last time to the vet for heartworm test..2 weeks ago. soo he just had his nylon collar on(i keep my leash in the vehicle.).he was vry well behaved going into the vets..so i think i will not even use it anymore..he goes in and just sits by me till we go in. My other 3 dogs are vry small breeds..so i never use collars at all on them..just carry them in.

Prin
March 25th, 2005, 11:54 AM
I have only ever used chokers. The thing that people don't understand is you have to be ready to correct constantly with a choker. If you let the dog pull you on a choker, there can be serious damage. And the corrections are not hard, just enough to get their attention. It's the suddenness that makes it work not the actual choking. And if a choker is too big, it will be tightened to a certain extent even when the dog is not pulling, and that is not good. The choker has to just barely fit over the ears and that's it. It should be hard to take off and when you are walking it should stay loose without gravity pulling the ring to tighten the collar.

A choker, just like any other dog tool can be very abused. Our big guy had holes in his body from the prong collar when we got him and he pulled like mad anyway. We thought of getting a prong but when we took it off the rack to try it on him he immediately lied down, cried and started vomiting. The thing is because prong collars look like they can do more damage, people are more inclined to learn how to use them more gently.

topaz_n29
March 25th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Prin are u following me..lolol.. But now i see we are both on line.
Yes as i said..i do prefer the choke collar myself... :grouphug:

Prin
March 25th, 2005, 12:09 PM
How can I be following you when I post first? Lol http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage23/16.gif

topaz_n29
March 25th, 2005, 12:16 PM
lolol tooo funny prin

jjgeonerd
March 25th, 2005, 12:17 PM
We thought of getting a prong but when we took it off the rack to try it on him he immediately lied down, cried and started vomiting.
WOW :eek: That's terrible!

Prin
March 25th, 2005, 12:23 PM
It was like a cue for him. We tried again about a week later because we thought maybe it's just a fluke of timing or something, but he did it again.http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/NONO.GIF
It was a bit embarrassing having your dog vomit in a petstore though...

matt
March 25th, 2005, 02:09 PM
That kind of abuse is horrible. A normal prong does not puncture skin UNLESS is has been(and people do this) sharpened to increase the pain factor. :eek: I just don't want people to get scared and think that a prong collar hurts the dog. A prong or choker , when abused , can harm a dog. I think that as mentioned earlier, TRAINING is the key, not the collar per say.

wjranch
March 25th, 2005, 04:31 PM
His training is excellent in ALL areas...except... heeling. He forges ahead and I have been having some troubles with this so far. He is in obedience, I follow their instructions, I get conflicting input from instructors on this issue.... I've asked about a prong (which I have) they told me a Dobie has a 'thin neck' and I shouldn't use it.. :(
I absolutly HATE the choke collar, he does not seem to get the idea that if he walks closer to me he will find relief. So he walks on ahead choking and gagging the whole time. I can't get more then one step with him in 'heel' position and off he goes...so how can you show him the release if he's insistent on staying 'in correction'??
I have a medium wieght prong collar, put it on properly, and pup seems to respect it for the most part. I do see a change in his attitude as soon as it's on him. My problem with it is this... it slips down his neck and around the front where it is NOT supposed to sit. I can not take out anymore links and make it tighter, it will be constantly correcting him if I did.
I am working on a new 'thingy' that will help keep it in place while it isn't correcting (ie:loose) I may not be explaining this very well :D My plan is to dismantle the useless halti I have and utilizing the nose band part to attach the prong collar to it to keep it up in place... Now before anyone gets thier panties in a bunch over the mental image this might create... understand that the dead or live ring of prong collar is the ONLY thing the lead will be attached to, the noseband is merely to keep it up on the 'correction area' of his neck, and stop it from slipping around the front where it can cause damage to his trachea.. When I get it together, I will post some pics (if it even works) and let ya'll know how it goes.

Prin
March 25th, 2005, 05:10 PM
There are different types of chokers: there are thick link ones and thinner ones, round-link ones and more oval to square ones. The thick ones choke like hands and the thin ones dig in a bit more so the effect is not so much about choking but digging in (same as the prong collar).

If your dog doesn't walk well on a thick one, I would try the thinner ones. The rounder the links (more circular) the better because they slide really easily and don't get stuck.

There is also a technique to it. Nobody pulled like my big Boo. I have never had a dog pull with his entire body strength before him and we got him trained with a choker. The only thing the choker did to him was break his hair. For him the thicker one worked best, he pulled like mad on the thin ones till they broke.

It's the snap that counts. Firm but not too tight. Like I said before-- the suddenness is what trains the dog, the shock. When a dog gets to the end of the leash and his collar is as tight as it can get, you can't snap. You have to snap when the collar tightens by just one link. "Click" then you snap. The principal here is that the collar has to be loose or you will correct, not tight and you correct-- that doesn't enforce what you want. If you have to constantly correct then that is what you do, and slowly, hell stop pulling. If you correct half the time or just not all the time, the dog will not understand what you want and will continue to pull.

It's not the collar, it is the method which makes the training successful or not.

This is Boo-- his collar is big links and they were a littl too oval for my liking:

Prin
March 25th, 2005, 05:17 PM
And here is Jemma's collar (1/2 lab 1/2 husky)-- SUPER tiny and fine links-- completely different use for completely different dog. Huskies are made for pulling, a normal thick choke won't do the trick.

matt
March 25th, 2005, 06:39 PM
WJRANCH , by your description your collar is not fit properly. The collar should be fairly tight. If you go to the LEERBURG web site as was referenced earlier the picture used is a prong on a Dobie so that will help give you a idea. And the purpose is that the collar really self corrects anyways so yes the second the dogs forges even a bit he/she WILL feel the pressure/discomfort. Trust me this is how this tool works. It is NOT painful for the dog to wear this tight. Now there is a point of too tight. Sometimes dogs are in between links , like a half link.

Now for your trainers. The size of a dogs neck has zero to do with using a prong!! I have seen Jack Russell Terrier's wear prongs just fine! The trainer does not really understand the collar by these comments. I understand why you may be confused. Where are you training your dog if I may ask? Anyways do not get discouraged it sounds like all the other OB is working, once you get heeling down your home free! :D Getting that prong fit right and working will really help getting a consistent heel.

kayla
March 25th, 2005, 09:53 PM
His training is excellent in ALL areas...except... heeling.
I absolutly HATE the choke collar, he does not seem to get the idea that if he walks closer to me he will find relief. So he walks on ahead choking and gagging the whole time. I can't get more then one step with him in 'heel' position and off he goes...so how can you show him the release if he's insistent on staying 'in correction'??


Sounds like we have very similar problems on our hands wjranch!

Today I tried something new and it is the first thing that has really started to work. I went to the store and bought the most tasty beef jerky dog treats I could find. So far I have only been using dry peanut butter dog biscuits which Kayla likes but I guess not enough. She went nuts over the new ones and I found she was much more willing to heel even on the way to the park! I managed to actually keep her in the heel position long enough to be able to praise her (before, as I said, she would never even let up for a second). I'm not using a choke or prong, just a harness (to protect her throat).

Also, as soon as she tugged I turned and walked the opposite way for a few steps. I kept going in circles, crossed the street and back again, then turned in more circles, probably looked really funny to anyone watching but it seemed to work, although I have to admit the tastey treats are probably what really did the job :p

So there you have it, my dog has trained me to provide her with better treats, figures :D

wjranch
March 25th, 2005, 10:47 PM
I've done the 'sneaky divert' thing too. :) He began to anticipate it and can really scoot around me when he feels the change in the lead! So I KNOW he's paying some attention.
Here is a little trick I've learned that seems to help me with this (at least in the house with no distractions).... I taught him to catch his treats, only just before I toss it I say "catch"... Now, when I am working on heel in the house, I keep treats in my right hand and call him 'to heel' (sitting on my left side) then it's "heel" step off with left foot, as soon as he moves ahead or looks away I say "catch"..... gets his attention back on me and I toss the treat over my left shoulder... so he has to be behind me on that side in order to 'catch' (he had to stop and turn around to get them a couple times though, then figured its easier if he's already behind me). Then I get a chance to praise him for staying in 'heel' position. It's working great in the house, I guess it will take much longer to impliment outdoors as there are SOOOO many distractions out there :D

pollito
March 26th, 2005, 06:48 PM
have you tried using a gentle leader, it is fairly good with most dogs.

wjranch
March 26th, 2005, 07:30 PM
have you tried using a gentle leader, it is fairly good with most dogs.

A gentle leader is a training tool (which I've used) but, it should be a means to an end...which is ultimatly walking on a flat collar with a loose lead :D
He pulls on the halter (halti & gentle leader & the pully system one...I have them all!) He pulls and chokes on a choke collar (I hate the choke, they're dangerous)
I do have some good news though :D We worked in the local park today...a couple distractions..we stayed about 50 yards from them and worked on the prong. It went WONDERFUL!!! He was heeling! Actually HEELING! I finally got the chance to praise him for staying in position, AND work on getting him to respond to "close" as well :D :D :D
I think maybe the distraction levels have been way too high (although a walk around the neighborhood seems pretty mundane to most of us) To him, it's high alert! :eek:
So, I guess the moral of this little story is to be more in tune to the levels of distraction that the dog is experiencing... I've tried so hard to get some attention from him, and become so used to the struggle... I had been overlooking the fact that he's just too inundated with stimulus to succeed. MY FAULT! I've given my head a good smack with that newspaper I use to train me :o and will be more sensitive to his requirments...

kayla
March 26th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I tried getting a Halti for her but none of them fit. I know that sounds strange, but I kept going bacl to the store to get a different size and none worked. She has a weird shaped head I guess, or I wasn't fitting it right (more likely). She also took an X-Large harness, extended to almost full width, which suprised me since she is only 55lb! Her massive chest is probably what makes her so bloody hard to control, she is very strong!

Today I tried walking her to the park, on the usual route, and every time she pulled I took her and started back home again. If I managed to get back home I was going to call it quits but eventually she caught on and we made it there (after about an hour). Unfortunately the new treats weren't as effective today, maybe I need to mix them up or something. I was using a normal collar too instead of harness because I noticed a weird thing under her arm that the harness caused or was aggravating.

niagarapets
March 27th, 2005, 01:05 PM
One of my dogs is an abused rescue. She is also a GSD/Lab mix of pure pulling power :-) Although with training she has become a wonderful pupper, the pulling is a bad habit I haven't been able to break.

I always thought the prong collar looked barbaric and I wouldn't consider it. After learning how to properly use it I bought one and brought it home. I put it around my thigh and I was surprised...you feel the prongs, but it wasn't really painful. From the first walk Dakota has walked so much better!

As a dog walker I have used the lupi and the gentle leader/halti and I have been pretty impressed with the gentle leader/halti. See http://www.gentleleadercanada.com/products.htm for more information

Amy

SarahJane
March 27th, 2005, 08:33 PM
First off, allow me to admit I haven't read completely through each and every post here - but here's my opinion: I think a choke or a prong collar should be an absolute LAST resort and one that should of course (as many others have stated) be used alongside the guidance of a very compassionate and knowledgeable trainer. Even then, I must admit, the prong collar gives me a horrible feeling. Dogs just want to please us - it's humans that need the training most of the time, not the dogs. Positive reinforcement goes such a long way. It's the road we have taken Herbie down. The issue pf pulling is addressed early on in class and there are simple solutions for it - you need to be patient and be ready to look a little silly walking your dog outside. Basically, as one poster mentioned, you walk your dog - when they pull, you stop - when they stop pulling, keep walking as normal and praise your dog like CRAZY! you may have to stop and go every split second at first - but it works! Dogs don't need to be in pain to learn correct behaviour. Check out my trainers at www.positivecanine.com. Susan and Debbie rule! :angel:

Prin
March 28th, 2005, 01:37 AM
If you know how to use the training tools properly, they don't hurt. My dogs have never been hurt by a choker as a result of me training. The big guy, as I described above was abused with a prong collar, but obviously it was used incorrectly and maliceously. You have to learn how to use them, that's all.

Just out of curiosity, what technique does your doggy school use to stop a dog from jumping up?

SarahJane
April 2nd, 2005, 10:10 PM
:) Hey there Prin, didn't see your post till now. We actually just addressed the jumping up issue in our last class. Basically, you practice having your dog sit infront of you, and then you use all the charm you can muster to get your dog to attempt jumping up - saying "HI (dog name) - HI BABY! HOW ARE YOU?" etc... basically just trying to get them to do what comes naturally - to jump when they get some fun attention! But - as soon as they try jumping, you yell loudly, "AAAH! Sorry, too bad" - and once they sit again (or lie down, or stand - basically just as soon as they stop jumping) you give them a small food reward and LOTS of praise. This requires lots of repetition and persistence, but works! I really recommend this training school! :)

Prin
April 2nd, 2005, 11:57 PM
What do you do with your body? Or do you just wait for the dog to sit?

vivilee
April 3rd, 2005, 10:12 AM
Consistency is key to stop the pull. If you want to use the opposite direction technique you do it every single time no exception and when she listens you praise like she's a superstar. It took me a whole month to get it through to my dog but I never gave up. Of course, every walk would get better so that was my own positive reinforcement.

You'll have some regression so expect that as well. Also, if you dog is more dominant, she will 'test' you time and again so again, be consistent and be as STUBBORN as a mule.

I guarantee you will not have to use a prong, choke, gentle leader or anti-pull harness. It's about consistency and being more stubborn than your dog. I find that it is much more rewarding to get your dog to willingly listen than it is to force something upon them...

kayla
April 3rd, 2005, 12:33 PM
I guarantee you will not have to use a prong, choke, gentle leader or anti-pull harness. It's about consistency and being more stubborn than your dog. I find that it is much more rewarding to get your dog to willingly listen than it is to force something upon them...

Actually I have been really stubborn about it the past little while. When she pulls I turn around and walk the other way until she stops pulling then I turn back towards the park. It has really worked! Kayla finally figured out she will never make it to the park if she pulls. She still goes a little faster than me sometimes, and we're working on that, but she won't actually use all her physical strength and drag me like she used to, which makes walking much more pleasant! I wasn't using anything but a flat collar to train her but have started using the choke collar, now that I actually can without having her choke herself on it. To be honest I don't find it works as well as stopping/starting and don't know if I'll continue to use it much longer.