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Ghullums_mom
March 17th, 2005, 11:45 PM
heres pics of the kittens....hope the link works


http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111121021-2.jpg http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111121004-2.jpg

BMDLuver
March 18th, 2005, 08:07 AM
That one that's striped with orange is beautiful!

chico2
March 18th, 2005, 09:53 AM
They are adorable,please make sure they get wonderful homes,they are such innocent little guys...just beautiful :angel:

CyberKitten
March 18th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Oh my, there are so adorable!!!!!

Ghullums_mom
March 18th, 2005, 05:04 PM
the calico and the tiger kitty already have a wonderful home...together none the less, so theyll be happy, and they know they have to give them back if they cant provide a home for them....anyway


http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111121053-2.jpg http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111120636-2.jpg

Ghullums_mom
March 18th, 2005, 11:14 PM
just wondering...does a calico have to be spotted like my ghullum, or is my male considered calico, hes got brown and orange around his head and black and white over the rest of him....just a thought

CyberKitten
March 19th, 2005, 01:13 AM
I doubt your male is a true calico. About one in 3,000 tricoloured cats are males, although only 1 in 10,000 of these males is fertile. It is a genetic issue with these cats.


A true tricolour kitty must have one of its colors derived from the red gene - either red (orange) or cream (kind of a light, orangy beige, not unlike the color many people call "ginger"). If it does not have one of these two colours, it is not a true tricolour. The second colour must be white, and the third colour must be black, blue (a blue-gray), chocolate, lilac (a pale rose-beige), cinnamon, or fawn (a pale buff hue). Black and blue are by far the most common.

A white cat with patches of tiger stripe might appear to have three colours -- white, black, and gray -- but because one of the three colours is not red or cream, it is not a true tricolour. It's defined - according to a web site on calicos I read once (colourwise) as a tabby and white.

Evven Siamese- who may look like they have more than one colour - are defined as having colour points. Like mine is Seal Point and there are Blue Points, lync points, lilac points, etc.

In terms of genetics, while the gene that determines most colours is on both the X and Y chromosones - I am assuming you have basic genetics here :) - think back to your biology 101 class). Except for red! The gene that carries the chromosone for red coloration can be carried only on the X chromosome.

The gene that determines red or orange colouration in cats is designated as O (for orange).
O = orange (dominant gene)
o = non-orange (recessive gene)
If the cat inherits an O pattern proper for its gender, the cat will be red or orange, usually referred to as orange. To simplify it, usually the cat will show the domiant gene and carry the recessive one - which she can pass on to her babies. With the O gene, the O and o actually combine their efforts, displaying both orange and non-orange, along with white. This is called a mosaic. This creates the true tricolour -- the calico or tortoiseshell.

Since only Xs can carry the O gene, the cat must have two X genes -- or in most cases, be a female.

However, occasionally there are genetic anomolies. A male cat might end up with three chromosones instead of the normal two and so he is (to be brief, lol) XXY. In human males, this is known as Klinefelter's syndrome and usually leads to sterility.

So male tricolours are rare indeed. And in breeding programs, it is not considered standard so that male is always neutered so what is considered a defect is not passed on. I am no expert on cat breeding but I think he'd be considered a two colour cat - wwith some orange around his head.

Your female does have an unusual coat - she look part tabby and part Tortie. Or at least two types of tabby colouring. She might well be a "Torbie" - a patched tabby, "a tortoiseshell where the tabby pattern is very distinct all over the cat." (defined on Cat Fancy).


I once hand reared four babies whose feral mom was hit and killed by a car and she was a polydactyl calico. I have no clue who the Tom was but like mom, all were polydactyl (tho mom had SEVEN toes!) and two of the females were calico. One was gray - we called him Smokey and one an adorable blue cream colour. (I called her Nellie after Nellie McClung <g>) I read much about feline genetics inbeteen the feedings every two hours, lol Nellie like mom had seven toes but the others had only one extra. I think it sparked my interest in molecular biology which is what I completed my PhD in at med school.


Anyway, I hope this explains a bit.

Here are some web sites if you want to read more:


http://www.tenset.co.uk/catgen/catsofadifferentcolor.html#4
http://www.well.com/user/josh/catgenetics.html
http://schneider.ewald.bei.t-online.de/calico/calicoeng.html

Jackie467
March 19th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Your kittens are just beautiful. I love the striped one with orange on it. I'v never seen one like that before. They look like they are doing great. are you keeping any of them?

Katherine1
March 19th, 2005, 11:34 AM
What beautiful furbabies :D

Ghullums_mom
March 19th, 2005, 04:29 PM
thank you....although i must admit im more confused now than ever, but i very much appretiate the attempt.

my female...as in Ghullum? Torbie? i thought she was a calico. shes got the brown/orange with black and white. maybe you need to see more of her.

im keeping one of the males, unless i cat find a home for the other male, then im keeping him too. the two females are going to the same home. so they wont be seperated. which i like alot. i would prefer to keep both males so that they dont get seperated.

Ghullums_mom
March 19th, 2005, 04:50 PM
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111268394-2.jpg

CyberKitten
March 19th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Isn't there a female kitten? Now I am confused, lol In the most immediate pict, Ghullums looks like a calico but she has a lot of white

I was just trying to explain cat genetics as it apply to calicos and why males are so rare. You wanted to know if your male was a calico? I only saw two kittens - there are 4? How can I see more in those photos? :)

And really, does it matter if he is a calico - he is cute and you love him, that's important! Here is a movie of a torbie kitten: http://www.skittensworld.com/DSCN4759.MOV


You will need Quicktime to play it.

chico2
March 19th, 2005, 10:38 PM
CK,that's cute,what is a Torbie?? X between a Tortie and a Tabby???

Ghullums_mom
March 19th, 2005, 10:55 PM
ok, theres four kittens......two boys and two girls.....

boy
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290284-2.jpg

boy
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290239-2.jpg

girl
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290303-2.jpg

girl
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290256-2.jpg

mommy
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290224-2.jpg

all the kittens
http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/Epiphany/default/gallery-msg-1111290319-2.jpg

does that help? the second boy is the one im keeping for sure. hes got brown or orange on his head and black and white all over the rest of him

CyberKitten
March 20th, 2005, 06:35 AM
Yep, that helps. You have: (as best as I can tell)

1. a female calico
2. a female torbie (A torbie is a tabby with Tortie colors, meaning they have some orange in them, and are a little splotchy like a Tortie - she is that rather unique kitty with the orange splotch sort of between her tabby markings
3.
two males that sort of look like torbies but one seems more tabby than anything. The other has some calico markings and does have that wee bit of orange but I really doubt he is a true calico. If he is, he may be sterile (which if true , I guess saves on the snip surgery, :) ) I think he is bicoloured kitty with a bit of orange.

That little female torbie is my favourite tho - she is quite unique!

Ghullums_mom
March 20th, 2005, 05:02 PM
that helps alot. what about mommy? shes a calico right? not that i care, cause i love her reguardless. shes my baby