PBT's in imminent danger!

According the my local news this morning, Hamilton SPCA is preparing to begin euthanizing PBT's that are currently in their care. I understand it will begin as soon as tomorrow :( They do not want to adopt them out in case they cause trouble with the new law in the future.

*I just caught a few mins of it on TV and may have misunderstood. (i Hope) I will watch for more and make sure the location, etc.. are accurate. If they are, I think emails, phone calls, faxes... to the shelter from EVERYBODY might delay their decision. ??

You're right, they are hesitant to adopt them out. I heard one report that they wouldn't, and another that they were just hesitant. I also heard they are going to start as of Monday. But don't worry. Bryant assured us that healthy animals won't be killed.

But don't worry. Bryant assured us that healthy animals won't be killed.

Yeah, he'll sell them to some lab.

Just one more thing to present to court when this appeal goes to trial.

Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.they prefer beagles and med size animals with a gentle nature.Last year 2000 dogs went to research,the majority of work is done on mice and other small rodents.The life cycle is shorter and easier to work on.

Somehow, I don't fell comforted...

This is a decision made by the city's animal control, not the Hamilton/Burlington SPCA doesn't do animal control; they're just in charge of adoptions, etc. It really disgusted me when I found out about this :(

MegShawnMom - with Bill 132, any breed of dog will be used in research :( It doesn't matter if it's a homeless Staffy or a siezed Scottish Terrier.

Here is the city's contact information:

http://www.city.hamilton.on.ca/Clerk/council/default.asp

The Bill does not change anything, the laws already existed for research.

The researchers chose which dogs they take is what she meant.

I have yet to hear from animal control that a pitty was ever used for research. Just because the government says they can go for research doesn't mean they will. Yes, even a Scottie will go for research.Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,thats' why research won't take them.

Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.they prefer beagles and med size animals with a gentle nature.

Are we talking about the same dogs that I know?!? I'm glad to hear that lab researchers are as misinformed as the government; thinking that they are dangerous and prefer dogs with a gentle manner!!! I don't think I've ever met a gentler breed then pit bulls!!!
I know goldens that are just crazy and you couldn't calm them down to save your life! LOL!!

they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers

Even now the ignorance continues.:(

Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,thats' why research won't take them.

That is totally ridiculous. Most vets would prefer to treat a pit bull than many other breeds as they wont' bite even if in pain. Dogfighters have always known this, which is why they were and are able to stitch up their dog's wounds - with no anesthetic - and break up fights without worrying about being bitten.

But if myth, urban legend, spreading misinformation and ignorance saves them from being tortured, carry on!

I haven't heard of them being used either.But I would completely disagree with you that they are tough animals for anybody to control.
I have yet to hear from animal control that a pitty was ever used for research. Just because the government says they can go for research doesn't mean they will. Yes, even a Scottie will go for research.Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,thats' why research won't take them.

Don't know how I missed that comment.That's not true at all.I am shocked you feel that way. :confused:
Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.

Let the labs think they are crazy! hahaha..

Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,

Just curious, who told you this? Michael Bryant? And what is your experience with this breed please?

I think this is one case where I'd like to see the "myth" live!

It is my understanding that as of right now, there are no available "pit bulls" in the Hamilton Shelter. They have all been pulled or arrangements have been made for them to be placed in foster homes by end of business on Friday.

This is not to say that more will not show up there before Friday, so if anyone is in a position to foster - keep your ears open.

There is a picutre somewere on this site that has a pit bull being used in medical research: http://www.workingpitbull.com

MegShawMom, I hope you don't have a dog . . . If its deemed menacing, it will be killed, no questions asked.

I pity Bryant's dog . . . He's going to practically send it to it's deathbed with this law.

Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.they prefer beagles and med size animals with a gentle nature.

As an owner of a beagle mix, who owned a rottweiler until a couple of weeks ago when I lost her to osteo, I can promise you that my little beagle would have done a lot more damage to someone breaking into her home.

The only potential danger from my rottweiler was tripping over her in the dark.

Taken from www.900chml.com - local radio station website. Please note this is NOT the Hamilton SPCA -- this is City of Hamilton Animal Control

Local pit bulls face death sentence
Mar, 09 2005 - 6:00 AM



HAMILTON (AM900 CHML) - Pit bulls in Hamilton's custody will be put down, starting Monday.
The execution order has been issued now that the province has passed it's controversial ban on the breed.

The supervisor of the city-run animal control operations, Calum Burnett says it's just a proactive stance.

The new ban does not require existing pit bulls to be destroyed, nor does it prohibit animal control or rescue agencies from adopting out existing pit bulls.

In fact, any pit bull can be put in a new home as long as it is muzzled and leashed in public and spayed or neutered.

But Burnett says the province has identified these dogs as dangerous and the city doesn't want to adopt out animals that could be potential problems.

He's sent out an e-mail, saying any pit bulls currently in the shelter may be rescued until the close of business Friday.

But any that remain after that will be euthanized.

Thanks for the info yvonnem :) I walked in the room just after the broadcast had started....didn't get every bit of it, that's why I posted that I may have misunderstood it. But, it's still worrysome :( Poor Pitties :sorry:

Personal Opinion? Micheal Bryant is a ***** & a ****** and a ******, etc, etc...

uneducated, and unwilling to get educated... very sad :(

Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,
Again, I have NO IDEA what kind of dog you're talking about. Difficult to control in what manner?

I bet my vet would LAUGH at this!! Briggs just stood there on the table, no muzzle, nothing - just the vet's hand as he gave her a rabies shot last weekend. All she did was try and turn to lick his hand!!! Difficult to control!?

I agree, let the ignorance reign free! At least they will be saved from torture and a miserable death because of animal testers.

I emailed the story to bryant and asked him how he sleeps at night. Shame :mad:

I emailed the story to bryant and asked him how he sleeps at night. Shame :mad:

And I will be handing it to my MPP Jeff leal personaly, and ask him the same question, when I see him later this month.
I wonder if he's a good a lier as Bryant?

I have yet to hear from animal control that a pitty was ever used for research. Just because the government says they can go for research doesn't mean they will. Yes, even a Scottie will go for research.Again, pitties are tough animals for anybody to control,thats' why research won't take them.


the what? you think monkeys are easy for researchers to control?

please back this statement up with some empirical data.

I think we should be e-mailing this to all the MPPs. This is a travesty. This contridicts the "no innocent dogs will die" stance that Bryant kept touting. The one line says it all--

"But Burnett says the province has identified these dogs as dangerous and the city doesn't want to adopt out animals that could be potential problems"

These dogs are being destroyed for being pitbulls, not because they are actually dangerous! This is outrageous!!

I heard the news out of Hamilton,they said they have an execution-order and will start Monday executing dogs,they also said they are not exclusively going to be killing pit-bulls.
I get this sick feeling in my stomache...what the heck is going on,are people totally crazy :evil:

Again, I have NO IDEA what kind of dog you're talking about. Difficult to control in what manner?

I bet my vet would LAUGH at this!! Briggs just stood there on the table, no muzzle, nothing - just the vet's hand as he gave her a rabies shot last weekend. All she did was try and turn to lick his hand!!! Difficult to control!?

I agree, let the ignorance reign free! At least they will be saved from torture and a miserable death because of animal testers.


I agree both of my dogs are very happy to leave the vet's office but behave very well while there . No vet they have ever been to has requested or demanded they be muzzled .
But I have to agree on the "let the myth continue" statements.

These dogs are being destroyed for being pitbulls, not because they are actually dangerous! This is outrageous!!

A "drunk" pro football player can be dangerous are we going to get rid of them because of the potential hazard ?
The people making these decisions should be FIRED

Fired. That's a start. Anybody still believe the no innocent dogs will be harmed statements made by the Liberals.

I haven't heard of a Pit going to a research lab either,but you need to remember Brenda that no shelter admits that they send any animals to research,even Animal Alliance can't track the true numbers from what I see,so it is very hard to ever get a read on reality.

And I think it is important to remember the shelter that has sent Pits and Rotties and GSDs and Dobes and other supposed difficult dogs to the vet teck program to be used as "clients" and get vetted and vaxxed and altered and if not adopted from the vet teck program,they get returned to the shelter.They only send sweet and docile dogs.And guess what they come in all breeds and mixed breeds.Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.they prefer beagles and med size animals with a gentle nature.Last year 2000 dogs went to research,the majority of work is done on mice and other small rodents.The life cycle is shorter and easier to work on.

Please do not think I am in favour of this pitbull ban, but, one question. There are some people(not me) that would never have and some people who now will not adopt a pitbull because of the new law, So, what are the humane societies of ontario supposed to do with all of these dogs that a lot of people don't want? For example, just look at the toronto humane society website, It's 90% pitbull or stafford terriers or crosses of the breeds. Please don't get defensive, just answer my question.

Yes but remember as far as sending dogs to research goes,nothing has changed.The laws before the Fibs came in said the same thing.It's a red herring.Did people really not know that was/is Ontario reality?Please get involved in rescue,it would be an eye opener.We could also always use your help!
Fired. That's a start. Anybody still believe the no innocent dogs will be harmed statements made by the Liberals.

Yes but remember as far as sending dogs to research goes,nothing has changed.The laws before the Fibs came in said the same thing.It's a red herring.Did people really not know that was/is Ontario reality?Please get involved in rescue,it would be an eye opener.We could also always use your help!

Actually that is the truth as the pound seizure law remains the same only it changed to ALLOW labs to own more than one pit bull . Again the OSPCA openly ignores the pound seizure rules. City pounds not so.

As far as beagles are concerned they do seem to be the choice dog as far as photographic evidence of actual labs that I have seen is concerned - won’t get into it here. Nice little beagles. Sweet little beagles. It's wrong no matter the breed.

On a positive note I was in St. Catharines tonight for a dentist appointment and was a little early. I stopped by the humane society to make a donation and picked up a couple of items from thier sale table. There were ONLY four dogs which is really very little for them. Four two many but at least not twenty.

Toronto has offered to take in these dogs! Hamilton refused! Sounds to me like 'someone' is trying to 'set a precident'? I soooo wish I had the space and money to go and adopt each and every one of them. :mad:

This is a decision made by the city's animal control, not the Hamilton/Burlington SPCA doesn't do animal control; they're just in charge of adoptions, etc.

Yes,you are so right.If the SPCA had thier way,they would NOT have them put down.We are heading there this weekend.We will definately be talking to them about what's going on.

Also,yes the ban has passed,BUT it doesn't take effect till Spring or Summer.They are in talks as to who is going to enforce this law.And when it is enforced,not sure if any of you know,but any pups born 90 days AFTER,will be put down. :(

Toronto has offered to take in these dogs! Hamilton refused! Sounds to me like 'someone' is trying to 'set a precident'? I soooo wish I had the space and money to go and adopt each and every one of them. :mad:

My understanding was that the dogs were now safe based on a posting on the DLCC user group. Is this not so?

Just heard this morning on VR news that Toronto offered to take the dogs, as they have the resources and ability to train them for re-homing....Hamilton refused the offer. :(
They don't seem to be putting very much effort into their news stories though, so info is limited. I hope the dogs are safe...but, it's my understanding that beginning Monday morning, they will start euthanizing them.

Yes,and before the ban they could have more than one Pitbull,so nothing has changed with the ban coming in.Not sure what you mean about City pounds ignoring pound seizure,some do send to research,some don't.Some small town pounds send,some don't.I totally agree with you that it's wrong no matter the breed or mix.
Actually that is the truth as the pound seizure law remains the same only it changed to ALLOW labs to own more than one pit bull . Again the OSPCA openly ignores the pound seizure rules. City pounds not so.

It's wrong no matter the breed.

Please do not think I am in favour of this pitbull ban, but, one question. There are some people(not me) that would never have and some people who now will not adopt a pitbull because of the new law, So, what are the humane societies of ontario supposed to do with all of these dogs that a lot of people don't want? For example, just look at the toronto humane society website, It's 90% pitbull or stafford terriers or crosses of the breeds. Please don't get defensive, just answer my question.

Those dogs have been dumped there since the ban was made law, some when the decided to start talking about the ban. There is a stigma now attached to owning a pit bull type dog.. that is that every owner is a criminal using that dog for fighting, protection, etc. Which is not the case... but MB has made us all look like criminals in the eye of the gulable and unknowing public. Those dogs were dumped because people can't deal with the fact that they could be heckled, avoided by friends/family, and verbally, emotionally, and possibly physically abused by other "vigilanty" civilians.

Toronto Humane Society IS adopting out those dogs still. They will find homes even if it's not here in Ontario.

What is the deal with the high Liability-Insurance and home-insurance if you own a Pit,did they scrap that from the Bill??
Not that I would EVER give up my dog(if I had one)but it probably would cause some people to dump their dogs.

Please do not think I am in favour of this pitbull ban, but, one question. There are some people(not me) that would never have and some people who now will not adopt a pitbull because of the new law, So, what are the humane societies of ontario supposed to do with all of these dogs that a lot of people don't want? For example, just look at the toronto humane society website, It's 90% pitbull or stafford terriers or crosses of the breeds. Please don't get defensive, just answer my question.

You are right, what is a humane society to do? But the issue here isn't a kill vs. no-kill policy, what is outrageous is that a)they will not adopt out the dogs, nor will they send them to a shelter that asked to take them and b)we were assured over and over again, that no innocent dogs will be destroyed. That is what is happening here. They won't let the dogs leave, and they are destroying them because the province has deemed them dangerous. Hello, Alex Pierson?

Originally Posted by MegShawnMom
Labs/research facilities do not take pitties/rotti, they are to unpredictable and potentially dangerous to the workers.they prefer beagles and med size animals with a gentle nature.Last year 2000 dogs went to research,the majority of work is done on mice and other small rodents.The life cycle is shorter and easier to work on.


please back this statement up with some empirical data.

*Bump* We're still waiting....

.Not sure what you mean about City pounds ignoring pound seizure,some do send to research,some don't.Some small town pounds send,some don't.I totally agree with you that it's wrong no matter the breed or mix.

I didn’t say some pounds ignore the pound seizure laws (although I wish they would and some probably do). I said the OSPCA refuses to obey those laws.

Sorry I'm not sure what you meant here?
Again the OSPCA openly ignores the pound seizure rules. City pounds not so.

Here's City's story--

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050309-016/page.asp

By the way, does anyone know the breakdown of who voted yes or no by party? I've seen it on the Hansard, but I'm too lazy to try and look up every MPP and find out who belongs to what party.

I don't care what anyone says...this entire ordeal stands out in this respect to me:

Michael Bryant can be easily compared to Hitler, and the killing of these innocent dogs because of there breed is nothing short of the Halocaust...feel free to criticize my statement..but in my heart that is how I feel and that is what this jerk is putting these INNOCENT LIVES through..

:yuck:

Hamilton backs down:

City Backs Off Pit Bulls
Mar, 10 2005 - 12:00 AM



HAMILTON (AM900 CHML) - Hamilton will not be putting stray pit bulls to death starting on Monday.
City council has decided not to target any specific breed of dog for euthanization, at least until the province's controversial pit bull ban takes effect in August.

Councillor Tom Jackson says it means animal control is again working at status-quo and he also admits perceptions that Hamilton would start putting pit bulls to death has left an "awful perception".

The city's director of licensing however, insists that was a "misconception".

Tom Redmond says protocol has always stated that all strays are held for 72-hours before being euthanized, unless claimed by their owner, the S-P-C-A, or sent to the Stoney Creek Animal Shelter.

Redmond adds all that was ever planned for Monday was to stop sending pit bulls to Stoney Creek, because space is at a premium and pit bulls have less likelihood of adoption than other breeds.

Whew!, for now :(

Then I think the City Pound (hamilton) should speak out to defend themselves. :mad: Why allow the 'misperception' to continue for almost a full week?? Seems to me they don't like the heat :thumbs up

Hooray for now.......Long Live PitBulls

Sounds like some serious bailing...except it doesn't explain why they wouldn't ship them to Toronto, nor does it explain the quote that "the province has deemed them dangerous". I think there was some serious butt-covering going on.

At any rate, I feel a little better...not much.

And doesn't explain why Hamilton SPCA stayed quiet and didn't step up to take the dogs.

More interesting is that I have spoken to some Hamilton staff and they say it was a lie, and that it was never the plan, or they would have quit.

I dont know who said or did what to who but Im still glad to here this news! I think that somehow someone felt that there was too much scrutiny out there for them to put the dogs down, which to me means we still have some power to influence some public policy, its a much needed glimmer of hope and may send a signal to other city pounds that people still care about these animals!

Well I for one will be asking a few questions when I go there this weekend.

What is really ticking me is how people are already dumping their pits at the shelters.I see no reason for this.These dogs are safe from the ban.As I have already stated,any pups born 90 days after the ban are the ones that will be put down.

As for the Toronto Humane Society,sorry but I am not crazy about them.My main reason,they do not spay/neuter their cats/kittens,dogs/pups.Sorry,but to me,giving out a coupon means absalutely nothing.I would rather pay the higher adoption fee that includes the spay/neuter.Which I have when I adopted my cats from our SPCA.

Ted Mcmeekin was on the committee that heard submissions from all over Ontario. He also ought to explain things to the people at Animal Control. This looks very bad, esp. in His riding. So how objective was he, if Hamilton Animal Control is jump starting PTSing Pittys earlier than other areas?