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We missed good ol' Bob MacDonald's comments on Friday:

Faceless
March 6th, 2005, 10:16 AM
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Bob_MacDonald/2005/03/04/949422.html

Fri, March 4, 2005

Political persistence pays off

By BOB MacDONALD -- For the Toronto Sun

Hats off to Attorney General Michael Bryant for pushing through legislation this week to ban pit bull dogs from Ontario -- the first province or state in North America to do so.

"I would anticipate that other states and provinces across North America will pursue it when they see that, in fact, in Ontario it got safer with this bill," Bryant said.

"Mark my words, Ontario will be safer," he predicted.

As one who has called for such a ban for more than a decade, I'm well aware of all the flak and vitriol Bryant would have taken during the past months while the legislation was being put together and debated. Pit bull owners, breeders, some veterinarians and other special interest groups bombarded him with criticism in defence of the dogs.

However, Bryant persisted. And, especially after receiving more than 4,000 e-mails from Ontarians, was even more convinced that pit bulls are a menace.

The AG was spurred into action late last August after a particularly vicious attack by two pit bulls in Toronto. He said:

"We are very concerned about pit bulls, the proliferation of pit bulls and the danger that they may pose to Ontarians."

In the attack, the dogs turned on a 25-year-old man walking them. Despite desperate efforts of himself and bystanders, the dogs persisted in their attacks with their powerful jaws.

"I guess once one of the dogs got a sense of the blood, they both just went nuts," one eyewitness said.

Police who were called to the scene had to fire 16 shots into the animals before killing them. Even while badly wounded, the dogs kept attacking.

The young man survived, but required dozens of stitches, plastic surgery and rehabilitation of a badly chewed arm. In launching his campaign, Bryant explained:

"I have had constituents come into my office with concerns and complaints about pit bulls and their effect not only on a community, but with respect to other animals and the harm that they may cause to other animals."

As he and others have noted, the problem with pit bulls is that they were originally bred for bull-baiting and then for dogfighting. Unfortunately, such traits still lurk within today's versions of the dogs.

For instance, on the first day of hearings, Louise Ellis told how her 5-year-old daughter, Lauren, was permanently scarred by a pit bull attack 10 years ago while strolling with her family on Toronto's Danforth Ave. The little girl required five hours of surgery and 300 stitches just to close the wounds.

"The animal rights activists will try to tell you that pit bulls don't harm people. Lord, how I wish the owner had bitten my child instead of his dog," the mother said.

"Please don't forget the victims of pit bull attacks."

Unfortunately, they are many and continuing. Such as:

n A pit bull attack 15 months ago on 4-year-old Ryland Fowler when his mother fought furiously to drive off the dog outside their Rushton Cres. home in Toronto. Only the heroic efforts of a neighbour saved the child.

"The dog wanted my son. That's all it was interested in," his mother Deborah said. "Without provocation, the pit bull grabbed him. It didn't even growl."

n Two years ago, two pit bulls attacked 43-year-old Rajinder Hans as he walked home from work in his Toronto neighbourhood. The dogs had escaped from a backyard.

He suffered severe wounds to his face and head, plus had an ear almost torn off. They pulled him down and only the efforts of a burly younger man saved him.

"I thought I was going to die," Rajinder said. And yet one of the dog's owners said they had been brought up with kindness as "loving pets."

Under the new legislation, present pit bull owners can keep them as long as they are spayed or neutered, plus muzzled and leashed in public.

Also, it sets fines of $10,000 for owners of dangerous dogs and allows a jail term of six months. That should cover those who want vicious dogs and try to develop those traits in other breeds.

As for turning to another dog developed for fighting such as the still rare Canary Dog -- or Perro de Presa Canario -- that breed can also be added to the provincewide ban in the future.

Meanwhile, the victims and spared future victims of pit bull attacks can thank Michael Bryant for having the courage and persistence to see this legislation through. The rest of Canada should thank him and follow suit.

twodogsandacat
March 6th, 2005, 10:39 AM
[url]As for turning to another dog developed for fighting such as the still rare Canary Dog -- or Perro de Presa Canario -- that breed can also be added to the provincewide ban in the future.

First off we probably missed it because we stopped reading the Star.
As to his comment above no it can't be. Mr. Bryant clearly told Alexis from Pulse24 news in the now famous 'how not to teach Ontario students to fake a test" interview that other dogs couldn't 'simply' be added later. Do you think he'd lie?

As to this ban being valid: It has to stand a court challenge and then it becomes a game of Jenga (the term I now use for this law).

A crucial key is section 19. If that section gets thrown out all mixed breeds have an instant release from Bill 132.

The word purporting as defined in the Cambridge Essential English Dictionary:
verb [+ to infinitive] FORMAL
to pretend to be or to do something, especially in a way that is not easy to believe:

Identification of pit bull
19. (1) A document “purporting” to be signed by a member of the College of Veterinarians of Ontario stating that a dog is a pit bull within the meaning of this Act is receivable in evidence in a prosecution for an offence under this Act as proof, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that the dog is a pit bull for the purposes of this Act, “without proof of the signature and without proof that the signatory is a member of the College”.

A heart felt thank you goes out to whatever Liberal MPP picked that word. When a case gets to court (as they have in every other country that has implemented BSL) I’m sure the judge is going to love that word as much as the average citizen does. Anyone for a game of Jenga?

Oswaldsmum
March 6th, 2005, 03:24 PM
So of the 4000 emails byrant got about the ban, how many do you think stated (as mine did) that they were NOT in favour of it, but he simply just counted the number of emails he got and viola!, all those people are supporting him.

I am so happy I told the person who called the other day to ask if I would like a subscription to the star, that I will never read their anti-democratic newspaper again, so not to bother.

chico2
March 6th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Actually this one was in the Toronto Sun!!!

twodogsandacat
March 6th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Actually this one was in the Toronto Sun!!!

Unlike Michael Bryant I will admit I made a mistake. I haven't purcahsed the Sun for a while either. Still I can't wait to hear Mr. McDonald's comments when this gets to a court and we find that Bryant is better at teaching law than implementing it.
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Oswaldsmum
March 6th, 2005, 04:28 PM
well, I've never liked that paper much either. lol

Schwinn
March 7th, 2005, 09:41 AM
"I would anticipate that other states and provinces across North America will pursue it when they see that, in fact, in Ontario it got safer with this bill," Bryant said.

The rest of Canada should thank him and follow suit.

Except for those that all ready repealed thier laws, or had the courts outlaw BSL.

Apparently these tools come as a set. Jackass.

twodogsandacat
March 7th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Except for those that all ready repealed thier laws, or had the courts outlaw BSL.

Apparently these tools come as a set. Jackass.



So you are saying Schwinn: Only the ones that don't care about facts as those that do don't take the BSL approach. Well they'll learn the hard way.

Just like those in Winnipeg have learned once again that enforcement is the issue as Tim Dack's Animal Services finally act on a dog attack after it attacks one of thier own. Don't know how they handled the THREE previous attacks by the Lab\Shepherd cross.