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Just caught the 6 p.m. T.O. broadcast: So many opposed to this bill and being vocal about it! City's poll currently at 1900 oposed and 757 for a pb ban. One fellow feels compelled to consider his dog a pb, as he is viewed as one, even though no one knows for sure what mix the dog is. He feels he is now branded pb and will be suffering for this. Reporter also mentioned the fact that animal care officers and police will have the right to enter a home and remove a dog that is deemed menacing. :eek: Tomorrow is voting day. I am on pins and needles. Reporter also said that 87% (?) of public is against this ban. Sigh....

I saw the city coverage too. the coverage was really good, I wonder what the other stations did with it though?

I'm gonna try to stay up to watch 11 p.m. news. I figure CTV may have some coverage. I'm at work and I just happened to have a minute to catch City's online broadcast. Gonna be tough day tomorrow......how do you make a pit bull that has never worn a muzzle, do so???

Thre has to be time between the bill being passed and it becoming law. I think we still have a few months to comply. I remember seeing 90 days somewhere.

Can't you all just ban together and put a muzzle on this moronic idiot that started this junk!? :evil:

only in photo-shop at the moment, butmaybe Clayton Ruby can do it in real life eventually :crazy:

I just saw Bryant on the legislature channel. He looks like crap. Do you think he is losing sleep over this? I hope so. In 2007 he can sleep all he wants.

Hopefully a lot of the Liberal MPPs won't show up tomorrow due to the snow storm.

I am really on the fence on this one, I have never owned one and don't know many people with a pitbull. I don't care to make a decision based on the news and media reports. I feel for all owners of pitbulls or breeds associated with them. We did meet an adorable pitbull at the dog park the other day and he was sooooo cute, very friendly. I am keeping my eye on the news and wish the best for you. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should be outright banned or muzzled for no reason, but I hate seeing these guys who think they are tough and walk pitbulls around like they will kill whoever talks to them or pets their dog! I live in Hamilton, I've seen these guys! Good luck!

but I hate seeing these guys who think they are tough and walk pitbulls around like they will kill whoever talks to them or pets their dog! I live in Hamilton, I've seen these guys! Good luck!

They are everywhere but so are the loving pit bulls in loving homes.

I agree twodogsandacat! I am on your side!

Hey SCottgoodburn, I can understand wre you are coming from because six years ago as a first time dog owner, I sort of ended up with what is now known as a pit bull. I was madly iin love with my pup long before I realised that he would be percieved as what people refer to as a pit bull. Unlike this government however, when I did realize, I did my best to educate myself on his breed and to distinquish fact from urban myth, I had him nuetered, took him to puppy school, socialised him well, and consulted as many experts as I could. Even with all my bungling, and struggling, I still ended up with a "good dog" and the most important thing that I can pass on to anyone wondering about the characteristics of a "pit bull" is that they are the MOST human friendly breed of dog I have ever encountered. All of my dog friends have "friendly dogs" but none can rival the sheer joy that my dog exhibits when anyone comes to visit. That is the nature of a "pit bull" They do not need to be trained to be that way, thats hw they come. If a pit bull is not comfortable with people then someone has deliberately made him that way.Your probably aware that those macho guys you talk about will be out on the same street victomising another breed of dog if this bill passes. Thanks for keeping an open mind and welcome to the discussion :thumbs up

Those people walking around waiting for their dogs to rip someone or some other animal to shreds are the reason the thought of a ban started. It's not the dogs fault it's solely the owners faults. I'm sure there are dogs of EVERY breed who have attacked people, even killed them for that matter, yet only pits get the short end of the stick, its so unfair. There are stories here about boston terriers killing a child... so the solution is to ban a 10 lb dog? I think not.

I understand, our best friends have a pure bread boxer and people are constantly mistaking him for a "PITBULL". His name is Petey and looks just like Petey from the little rascals. People have actually left when we all take our dogs to the dog park, we've seen them glare at us as they leave. I feel sorry for our friends, and yes, I have a very open mind and hope it all ends up well!
I agree, TWilson!

Just a thought: My dad had a shih tzu and when my son was 1 years old, this dog bit my son in the face and now he has 3 little scars on his top lip! That's a dog that should be banned! We put him down shortly after that!

My guy is often taken for a pit and we never really went to far to sway the opinion. Still I am now worried. Yes I have a big dog but I also have a smaller dog that needs a coat and booties in the winter. Looking tough...yea. Until the big guy moves and you see the little guy.
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Is it true what I heard? that if you dog even looks like a pitbull, it is considered a pitbull??
Like Scotts friends dog, who is a boxer but looks like a pit bull, will that dog be considered a pitt bull ??

Please tell me that isn't true.. that is just nuts! I mean it's bad enough to try to ban pits, but including dogs who are not even that breed just because they look like them... what the hell? This guy really needs to be in the looney bin!

Once accused YOU have to prove that it isn't. The one and only reason I have a copy of Dog Fancy magazine where the purebred centerfold looks just like my dog. It isn't prove but it sure as heck is my best shot at proving a definite Rhodesian link.

And thats were the revrse onus comes in and the legal challenge .But what if the dog most likely is a Staffordishire terrrior without papers and is registered as such? What will happen even if we win the court challenge to those dogs? This is the part that I don't understand. Or might the whole law be struck down? I know that nobody here is able to answer these questions but this is why I don't know how to register my dog. And why I don't sleep at night any more.

Pray that our courts are as sensible as some American courts and outlaw BSL in the province entirely. That's should be the desired goal. If you are a responsible dog owner you should be able to move to K-W, Windsor or Brampton or any other Ontario city. Imagine the same facts presented at the hearings but in a court of law.

That's all we can hope for.
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If passed 'pitbull' unfortunatly includes

a) a Pit Bull Terrier,

b) a Staffordshire Terrier

c) an American Staffordshire Terrier,

d) an American Pit Bull Terrier

e) a member of a class of dogs that have an appearance and physical characteristics that are substantially similar to dogs referred to in any of clauses a) to d); ("pit bull")".

It really makes me mad that this idiot couldn't be bothered spending five minutes on the internet to find out that BSL is BS :mad: I'm worried about my own dogs, they're not pits, but like any dog of any breed in this province, they would be put in danger of being considered "menacing" by peeved neighbours, etc, and torn away from their families, just because they're dogs.

Today is the day that Michael Bryant and his croanies drive the final nail into the Liberal Party of Ontario.
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Didn't catch the PC MPP's name but he reminded Mr. Bryant that "at the end of every leash is a voter". One sentence that will come back to haunt the Liberals.

We have to remember too that this bill goes beyond just banning pit bulls, with the "menacing" clauses. Although no definition is given for what menacing behaviour is, police or animal control officers can enter your place of residence without a warrant and take away your dog, no matter what the breed. They can also remove your dog in public, say if you're walking him. This means that theoretically, if you have any dog-hating neighbours they could make a complaint that your dog is acting in a "menacing" way, and you could lose your dog (i.e. euthanization.) Scary stuff.

People's rights are being grossly violated here !!!
What kind of country do we live in ?? I certainly don't feel free anymore !!
knowing that the law can just walk into my home and take and destroy my private property (pets are considered private property)!!
I want to know one thing here, if the owner is being menacing to his/her dog, will they come into that persons home and save the the dog ??

I am a little confused,watching the legislature yesterday,I thought the Bill had passed :evil:
I too noticed how ugly Bryant looked,puffy and dishevelled....it is very possible he's lost sleep over this lunacy,maybe even had threats..
ScottBurn,I have to agree with you,I have never seen as many pits in the wrong hands as when my son lived on Victoria street in Hamilton..studded collars and all :sad:
Not knowing much about them at the time,the name"pit-bull"to me meant a vicious dog,however that came from sheer ignorance.
I know no animal is born vicious and this Forum has opened my eyes to the pittie as a faithful loving dog,just like any other,maybe even more so,with their total devotion to their owners.
It breaks my heart just thinking of what is going to happen to all pits and pitX's in shelters,when this Bill passes :mad:
I know if I owned one of these loving dogs,they would have to shoot me to get to my dog,I would NEVER give him/her up...to be killed.
I am hoping the OSPCA and all other shelters and organizations,will not abide by this murderous Bill,as far as I know this is a democratic country and genocide only happens in Dictatorships.
The next election is still far off,thousands of pits will have lost their lives by then :evil:

Not only would they be destroying private property, most responsible dog owners consider the dog, pits and all, their kids. Some people can't have kids, so the furbabies are it for them, they become their life. Does he not get that, or just not care? If someone came into my house and expected me to kill my dog or give it up to be killed they would take me right along with the dog, because that's like messing with my kids, you just don't do that to a person. Do they not understand if they think these dogs are mean and attack people easily that if they come barging in someone's house, whom the dog knows to protect, don't they understand the dog WILL probably bite them then? I mean geesh, your dog forms this bond with you and they know when certain people aren't wanted at your home, they protect you just as we protect them, what happens when they bite one of these jerk offs that come to take them away? Even though they are in their house, their property, protecting you, they will be killed and you will be fined. But I don't know about Canada, but in America, if someone is in your home, on your property you can kill them and get away with it... But God forbid a dog bites, he/she is pts. Where's the irony in this....

Does he not get that, or just not care?

He just doesn't care he is an idiot.

Do they not understand if they think these dogs are mean and attack people easily that if they come barging in someone's house, whom the dog knows to protect, don't they understand the dog WILL probably bite them then?

Not only mean dogs would bite if someone uninvited walked in your home they are protecting there and your home.

I too noticed how ugly Bryant looked,puffy and dishevelled....it is very possible he's lost sleep over this lunacy,maybe even had threats..

Well he is a little nerdy guy to start with but they have assigned him security because he has been threatened by people (gee that is shocking) Maybe he should get a pit bull.

So I think all dog owners should start lobbying for the fiberals to pay half of our mortgage or rent since they feel they have the right to walk in our homes and take our personal property. I can't wait till the legal battles and costs of this start to hit the papers we need to make sure that the public knows that the money they will be using to implement this and maintain it will be money that could have been spent on education or healthcare but this is obviously a much bigger problem than lack of hospital beds or doctors. I am sure the person waiting 3 months for a MRI or other essential tests will understand this is for his/her safety even if they don't live that long because there illness went undetected.

DId they vote? What's going on NOW? :eek:

Lezzerpezzer,

I am that fellow.

If you missed the broadcast you can see it on CP24's website here:
http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050227-010/page.asp

or from my own mirror here (go easy guys I pay for this stuff!):
http://overlord.no-ip.com/pitbull/PitVideo/video.php

That's what I'm saying, even the nicest animals will attack thinking their owners are in danger. I went to the grocery store and came back with a note on my door today saying please call the office or stop by. I called and was told my lil ole 3 lb chi bit the maintence man today when he came into service my dishwasher. I asked was he ok, she said yes, they just wanted me to know that she bit him, but I asked what he did, and she said he just opened the door and when the dog saw him, he yelled GET! Well, he didn't knock for one so Paco didn't know who he was, never seen him before. And secondly this is my dog's house so don't come in telling him to Get! Perhaps that was her way of telling that man to Get out!! I was waiting on them to tell me I would have to get rid of her or something but they didn't. Normally she would have been in her crate but when I left my mom was here and she went down to get a newspaper without putting her in the crate.. she was only gone a short time, but when she returned the main. guy was fussing about being bit. She left and put her in the crate so I had no idea she could have bitten anyone when I came home. Will I punish her? Nope. He approached her with an attitude and she was protecting her terf!

I am so sorry, I just seen on CTV that they passed the law to ban pit bulls. I feel awful for all you people who live in Ontario. I can't believe that they actaully managed to get it passed even with so many people opposed to it. :grouphug:

Well it is a sad day for us dog owners but we will just have to keep fighting the idiots who implemented this a$$inine ban.

Twenty years a Liberal. I'm done with them. Idiots.

My anger and sadness is beyond words right now. :sad:

We all new it was comeing, now at least the legal chalenges can begin, all we can hope for is the lower courts stay the new law for now and wait for a disision by the supreme court. It has been done before, this little glimer of hope is whats keeping me going for now. And wecome back Overlord.

Overlord great site you have

:sad: This is one of the worst days of my life! Knowing that I can NEVER EVER own a another Pit Bull. I don't want one anytime soon, but someday after my boy has passed, I may want another :sad: and now I won't be able to unless I move out of the province :sad: which I don't plan on!

My God, the only reason I ever got a Pit in the first place was because of another I fell in love with(Jesse)! And now we are all screwed!

:( :sad: :confused: :yuck:

Well if the liberals didn't make a good responsible law then atleast they succeeded in making there supporters feel betrayed. I know I feel like that. I feel like a lot of things right now. I don't even want to go home and look at my wiggley butt be happy because really he shouldn't be. I will hug him and let him know he was one of the lucky ones.
Ahhh gees....

Copper's Mom - we do have slight chance to own another pit bull. Though the unnecessary euthanization is sure to begin tomorrow, there will be some pits available and we have 90 days to comply... therefore you can get another pit for the next 90 days.....

Man, that really sucks... I hope someone atleast tries to adopt the ones coming available to keep them from being put down. That's sad. I feel for you guys but I can't say I understand what you are going through, I can't even begin to imagine.

Unfortunately that's not true. The 60 day period is only for those who do not already own a pit bull. Those of us who alread own a pit can not acquire another one, regardless of the 60 day period, and those who are acquiring can only get one.
It was in one of the areas of the bill, I don't have it in front of me, however I had hilighted it because it concerned me too.

Jono

Really Jono? I must have forgot about that part... sorry!

Found it:

(2) No person who owned one or more pit bulls on the day subsection 1 (14) of the Public Safety Related to Dogs Statute Law Amendment Act, 2005 comes into force shall acquire a pit bull under subsection (1) after that day if the effect of the acquisition would be that the person owns more pit bulls after that day than on that day.

And it's a 90 day period, not a 60 day as I had previously written... sorry about that.

Well this really poorly drafted bill is such a mess just like the jerk who inspired it. Welcome to Italy because this is what will happen as long as these asses are in power. So if you own either of these breeds I feel for you but if you don't I would not feel safe either because if your neighbour hates you or your dog the liberals have also made you a target to. Gee how many liberals own dogs that voted for this bill maybe we need to find out and when it is passed we should see what they think of the menacing law when they walk into their homes and take there dog away. Maybe the liberal should geta taste of their own medicine

I didnt know that. I had hope that I would be able to get one before I get my house. Mine isn't registered right now. Hmmm. Now could I go get one this week and then register both of them. What do you guys think?

Sammiec,Coppersmom and every other pittie-owner on this Forum,I am so sorry and to think I helped put these jerks in...never again.
Just the thought of a mass-killing of innocent pits makes me just sick :sad:
I am hoping there will be some action taken,that people will not just bow down and give up their dogs.... :sad:

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I am hoping there will be some action taken,that people will not just bow down and give up their dogs.... :sad:

I will never bow down, I made an apointment to see my MPP jeff Leal(Liberal) next month, and I will make it very clear I will do eveything in my power to protect my innocent dogs, and see to it that he is not re-ellected. I really appreciate the support non pit owners like you chico2 have given all of us pitty owners, It's good to know we are not alone in this. :thumbs up

Luvmypit, I would get another one !!!! Or get your partner or family member who does not have one to get one for you !!!
What will become of all the ones in a shelter ?? does the bill even mention them ?? If the bill does not mention them can the shelters keep them or have them fostered ?

I've been home two days sick as heck, and bummed because I haven't been able to get to the gym, and because I'm stuck in a job that I actually look forward to being sick so I don't go in, and having a heck of a time getting on the police force...let's just say, I'm a little beyond crusty right now. My wife wants me to start taking the GO train downtown to work. She saves it's to save money on gas, but I think part of it is to keep the RED RANGER away from Queen's park. This sucks, this sucks hard.

Alex is on TV right now. 56-23 for. Anyone know how many Liberals there are? 80% spoke against the ban at the hearings.

Is there any co-ordinated legal fund to fight this? I think I want to start donating all my money to that, and everytime I'm asked to donate to any other cause, I'll let them know, "Sorry. All my money is going to fight unjust legislation."

I'll have to come back in and read this later. (Don't e-mail angry...)_

I would get another one! If I couldn't I would send someone down to get it for me some how. At least one more would be saved. I didn't realize if they considered your dog a menance they could take it too.. that's freaking crazy! What if your neighbor had a grudge against you, and did that just to piss you off?!?! Have they not considered this? How much bs is going to be involved with this ban? I wonder if GA will see all this nonsense and throw their's out! This is totally uncalled for. I could just see someone coming in and taking my dog because she barks alot. Good luck grabbing her, she may be small but she packs a mean lil bite! Just ask my main. man... :D

Is there any co-ordinated legal fund to fight this? I think I want to start donating all my money to that, and everytime I'm asked to donate to any other cause, I'll let them know, "Sorry. All my money is going to fight unjust legislation."

Yes the DLCC has banned together with AFTU and a couple more to fight this as banned aid. They have retained Clayton Ruby. You can donate online with paypal whenever you have a few extra bucks.

Yes money that would noramlly go to human charities will instead go to fighting this law. I gave $520 to the united way last year. This year will be $52. I gave to Tsunmai relief but that's about it. The rest goes to a couple of shelters and the DLCC and so far this year that's a lot more than last year in total. I want a new SUV but I don't need one. I take a coffee to work and that saves me a $1.50 a day. If I quit smoking that will go to the DLCC too.

A legal fund has been started by the DLCC with all monies being donated to go directly towards legal costs for Clayton Ruby. The DLCC is working in conjunction with a number of local and national breed clubs, all towards one common goal...STOPPING BILL 132 IN ONTARIO!!
go here: http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org
or here: http://www.bannedaid.com/

Copper's Mom - we do have slight chance to own another pit bull. Though the unnecessary euthanization is sure to begin tomorrow, there will be some pits available and we have 90 days to comply... therefore you can get another pit for the next 90 days.....

I know I know but right now we already have two dogs and four cats! Copper goes EVERYWHERE with me. I don't think people I visit would like me to bring two dogs into their home!!! Everyone knows I don't leave home without him - he's like a credit card!!

I'm like that with Messina...I take her everywhere...I wish I could adopt one more dog...I have two already and I live in a small azz apartment...I just don't have the room..its sucks...even though I can barely fit my family, I would honestly get one..its just my mom that needs the convincing..and unfortunately...I've tried all that I can :( but I'm still asking friends if they have any room in their home for a new member of the family...its not that easy...and not everyone is qualified to be a pittie owner...they're not just your average pet...sad to say....they do require some experience and knowledge..and alot of people aren't willing to do even that..why do you think we have so many in the shelters in the first place? Its like a never ending vicious cycle..stupid people, poor dogs...stupid people, poor dogs, etc...

I still say that the best thing we can do is sue the crack out of em and throw this bsl bull in the garbage...:(

Mayor Miller,whom I thought was all for the ban,said yesterday"It's a provincial law,let them enforce it and come up with the staff and the funding!"
Also I found the spokesperson for the THS to seem confused as to what happens next,like she said they are not in the business of mass-killing :sad:
Also in todays Toronto Star,there will be a transition period of 6-7 months for municipalities to comply to the law..which means what? Dogs in shelters are safe for 6-7 months,can still be adopted out?
What really got to me was the headline: "Pitbulls now a dying breed" :sad:

The funny thing is, Ruby Claton my be the Liberals only savior. I have to look on the brite side to keep my spirits up. No municipality wants to fund this law, no shelters want to enforce this law, the police have real issues to deal with, The liberals are in a real mess now, and will look like the fools they really are, If they dump a ton of money into this new law, tax payers will be furious. Now if Ruby steps in and gets this law put on hold, the Liberal will have a grace period, to realize what a mess Bryant has gotten them into.

I think Bryant has unknowingly just signed his resignation papers. He's such a fool. He thinks that municipalities are going to sit back and foot the bill for his idiotic genocide? I mean the City of Toronto alone is constantly fighting for more funding for the TTC, homeless shelters, police, etc. which they are already sturggling with - NOW they are expected to foot a multi million dollar bill to enforce this pit bull ban... and David Miller himself was fully behind this ban until he actually listened and realized that they would have to crunch THEIR numbers to pay for it.
Many towns and cities do not have the financial ability, nor the man power to enfore something like this. But only those stupid, cowardly, insucure pit bull owners would realize that! :rolleyes:

I was just wondering, is it possible for the shelters to ship the pits that they currently have and will most likely get to other provinces to be adopted out? I know here in new brunswick it is quite hard to find a pit bull. My sister has searched for one in all the shelters here and look for a reputable breeder and is unable to find one. It would be a good idea, this way there wouldn't be a mass-killing if other provinces are willing to take them in.

HOneybee since your in NB you should if you can contact some local shelters and just inquire to see if they would be willing to take a couple. Even one. Then let us know and we can contact our locals and see about shipping them out. We should have a fund for just that. Saving these guys.

Several of us joined a transportation rescue group last night (on Yahoo) and they are begging for people to help transport pitties out of Ontario to "safe" provinces/states. I, unfortunately, cannot adopt a pitty myself, but I am definately on board to help with the transportation, and I know others are too. So if people can find alternative places for these poor critters, we will get them there, one way or another.

I would be happy to help in anyway that I can. I will contact the spca here in fredericton and some others that are around. Is there anyone in particular that I could contact in Ontario if any of the shelters will take some? also what about an individual person willing to adopt?

I just called our local shelter and they cannot take any of the pitties. He said that they have had them in the shelters before and have been very unsuccessful in adopting them out to people. They said most people are not looking for this type of dog, they are looking for smaller dogs. and the people who do come in aquiring about pitties or rotties are not the right type of person who should own this type of breed and have been turned away. He said the majority of the dogs in the shelter over the last two years are rotties that they have had to move to other shelters to adopt out as they are not moving here in NB anymore, people just do not want them. I find this very sad that the public is so afraid of specific breeds. Why do they only listen to negivative information, what the media posts, about these dogs. They are wonderful family pets when with the right people who love them and treat them well.

On a good note, I do know someone looking for a pit puppy. and are willing to pay the cost to have him/her shipped here and the adoption cost. if anyone knows of one please let me know.

Thanks Honeybee. Im sure a pit could be found not a problem. Someone else will have to let you know where to look.

Go to http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/adopt.html That is the toronto humane society. But if you click on "Not finding the right Animal? Click here for Maximum Search" at the bottom of the page of the dog listings you can look at postings from other humane societies. Hope that helps
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Thanks for the suggestion babyrocky. My sister was in contact with the Advocates for the underdog. They are looking into some shipping deals for her. thanks again.