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Looking For Morkie Breeders...

Smith0007
February 14th, 2005, 09:03 AM
Hey. I am new to this site. My boyfriend and I are looking for Morkie breeders. We are located near Ottawa, so a deeler near there would be preferable. I would be willing to drive to Toronto, or London, etc, to find a good breeder. Please email me back if you have any information on Morkie breeders. Thanks
AMY

mona_b
February 14th, 2005, 09:10 AM
Welcome abourd Amy.

Just some info for you.A Morkie is just a "designer" breed...These usually come from puppy mills or BYB's.What I mean by BYB(backyard breeder)is they only do it for the money.They charge an arm and a leg.They can go for as much as $600-$800 if not more.These are just mixed breeds...Mutts.

Have you tried looking at some shelters or rescues?

Carina
February 14th, 2005, 09:21 AM
What the heck is a Morkie? That's a new one on me....what will they come up with next. :rolleyes: :confused:

Hi Amy! :)
What Mona said. This trend towards picking two breeds, giving them a cute name, then overcharging like crazy is a really awful trend, and very sad because so many equally cute deserving dogs get killed every day in shelters because nobody wants them.
Many of these very same cute mixes can be found in shelters, rescues, on Petfinder, etc.
Here's a link to Petfinder so you can search in your area:
http://www.petfinder.org/

Also...a thought. There must be a Yorkie rescue (search the net) you can contact. They may have some great info for you, may even know of whatever this particular mix is.
Good luck and please don't give any money to someone breeding designer breeds!

mona_b
February 14th, 2005, 09:22 AM
LMAO.

Carina,a Morkie is a Maltese/Yorkie...... :p

happycats
February 14th, 2005, 09:41 AM
i thought I heard everything.....Morkie... :confused: :confused: .
just to let you know if you do proceed and get a "morkie". you may
end up with many health issues with this dog, as people who breed
them are usually not reputable, so therefore vet care is not given,
so you may end up with a very sick puppie. Yeah they may guarantee it's health, which means you can return the puppy if it's sick for a new puppy.
(usually you have already bonded with this pup, so could you really give it back to be euthanized, and get a new one ??) They will not cover any vet bills if you choose to keep a sick pup.

Go for the purebred or rescue pup.

mastifflover
February 14th, 2005, 10:10 AM
I am sure there is one of these designer mutts available on petfinder or in one of the rescues there is a really cute tibetan terrier mix at Etobicoke Humane that needs a home and will cost you a fraction of what a byb or puppymill or pet store will charge you for a probably sick dog. So many of these poor pups die of parvo and don't think the place you get them from will actually care because they already have your money they could careless about you and the pup now.

Writing4Fun
February 14th, 2005, 10:21 AM
"Morkie" - had a show in the 70's with a girl named Mindy, didn't he?? :p

Seriously, the Morkie and it's counterpart, the Yorktese, as well as the Yorkie-Poo, Malti-Poo, Cocka-Poo, Labra-doodle, Bi-Chi, etc... - these are just excuses for people to charge rediculous amounts of money for what essentially amounts to a mutt. If you want a mixed breed dog, save a life and save yourself lots of money and adopt one from a rescue/shelter.

There are 107 small dogs available in Ontario on www.Petfinder.com alone (there are many, many more med-large sized dogs, and the number of cats out there is astronomical!). Try also the www.ospca.on.ca website. If you're willing to drive all the way to TO, I'm sure one of the many branches has the perfect pup for you. :D

FYI, this is where the majority of these "designer breeds" will come from:
http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/ :sad:

lucyvanpelt
February 14th, 2005, 10:23 AM
ok, i am going out on a limb here as i am well aware that i may get flamed. my little guy is a schnoodle (wow, i hate that name). it was my mother's decision to buy a schnoodle puppy and seeing as i live at home while in university, i had little input. nevertheless, he's a wonderful beautiful little soul. i couldn't ask for a better dog. while i myself would have rescued, i love this guy with all my heart and he's become our little boy.

i apologize for hi-jacking the thread but i just had to say my piece because these "designer dogs" get a bad wrap. not that i'm encouraging they be bred purposely, i just have to point out that they do not all come from terrible conditions. duffy's breeder bred purebread west highland terriers and decided for some reason to breed her schnauzer. we met his adorable mom and saw the kennel. it may have been a byb but at least she was doing it right.

again, i'm getting off track. if bred in the right conditions, there is no reason why these dogs would be unhealthy. duffy has been in perfect health since he came home with us at 11 weeks. his vet is actually impressed that our pup is such a tolerant, tough and healthy little guy. i guess my point is that it's a misconception that mutts are prone to health problems. actually, purebreds, no matter what care is taken in their lineage, are more likely to have problems.

sorry again. i just had to vent. i really appreciated this board, no matter what kind of dog i have. i've been afraid to admit i've got a schnoodle knowing your feelings but i love him just as much as the rest of you love your pets. hopefully, i can still post questions and start posting pics without negative feedback.

thanks

greaterdane
February 14th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Gah, I saw a Morkie the other day on hoobly.com for $1400 USD, why oh why would anyone pay this for a mutt???? There is a puppy mill here pushing out every kind of yorkie mix possible. Still working on getting them shut down but it is a looooong process.

Writing4Fun
February 14th, 2005, 10:39 AM
i just have to point out that they do not all come from terrible conditions You are very lucky that your dog came from a good environment and that he is healthy.

duffy's breeder bred purebread west highland terriers and decided for some reason to breed her schnauzer. we met his adorable mom and saw the kennel. it may have been a byb but at least she was doing it right. This is where I have to beg to differ. Maybe her pups weren't being raised in filth, but that doesn't make her a good breeder. As a matter of fact, the very point that she bred a mixed-breed animal on purpose tells me that she's not a reputable breeder and I would never consider buying from her as a result.

actually, purebreds, no matter what care is taken in their lineage, are more likely to have problems. This is a myth. A well-bred pure-bred dog will be no more likely to develop health issues than a mutt. And many mutts out there are suffering from all the same hereditary issues as pure-bred dogs. It's all in the genes, whether pure-bred or not.

i've been afraid to admit i've got a schnoodle knowing your feelings but i love him just as much as the rest of you love your pets. hopefully, i can still post questions and start posting pics without negative feedback. Everyone here is entitled to their opinions. I don't think anyone will flame you for your choice of dog - only if you come here saying you intend to breed him. ;) We'd still love to see pics, please! :D

lucyvanpelt
February 14th, 2005, 10:48 AM
writing4fun,
thank you. i completely understand your points of view and appreciate you listening to mine. if there's one thing we all have in common on this board it's loving our pets and i can't fault you all for being so passionate about animals. i don't think i would go the breeder route again for any dog (mostly because puppies are sooooo much work and i think one in my life time is enough...especially if i want children one day) but i don't regret my little guy.

Carina
February 14th, 2005, 10:51 AM
As a matter of fact, the very point that she bred a mixed-breed animal on purpose tells me that she's not a reputable breeder and I would never consider buying from her as a result.


Taddaaaa. Yes.
Even if the pups are raised lovingly and responsibly, the very fact that she is intentionally breeding mutts makes her irresponsible and only in it for the money.
That said, nothing against mixed breed dogs, whether or not they have cutesie designer names! Many of them are absolutely wonderful, including yours, Lucy. :)

Mona...I looked up "Morkies." Good grief.
I can't tall the darn difference between one cute fluffy little dog & another, as far as looks go. Why on doG's green earth anyone would consider paying someone that much money for an intentionally bred mixed breed dog is honestly and truly beyond me. When there are millions of them in shelters desperately needing homes.

Amy, Lucy, can you explain the thinking behind this? I'm not trying to be insulting, I just am really curious. Ever since I heard of this phenomenon I have wondered why people want dogs like pookies or morkies or goldendoodles or whatever, and why they are willing to pay more for a mix of two breeds, when either of the individual breed puppies are sold by reputable breeders to pet homes for much much less money.
Why?

Lucky Rescue
February 14th, 2005, 11:13 AM
and why they are willing to pay more for a mix of two breeds

It's quite simple. Marketing is everything and preys on the gullible. People will rush to buy ANYTHING if they are told it's "rare", "won't last" or that they "can be the first on their block to have one!"

Look how well it works for McDonalds when they are peddling some sort of disgusting sandwich and yell "Only available for a short time!"

These "breeders" have to make up these silly names too. After all, how many people would flock to buy these dogs if the breeders said "Mongrels/mutts for sale. 1500$ each. Hurry, they won't last!"?

Human nature...sigh. :rolleyes:

Writing4Fun
February 14th, 2005, 12:01 PM
They also prey on people's weeknesses. Like selling Poodle crosses and telling people that they're hypo-allergenic (no such thing, people!!). Supply and demand, after all.

Carina
February 14th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Ahhh....marketing, I guess you are right. You'd think the constant barrage of advertising we're subjected to here would make us less gullible, not more so. But I guess not.
I have a long haired Rottweiler (looks like a bear) and you cannot believe the number of times people have told me I should breed him because he's so unusual looking.
By now I have the anwer down pat & go into a quick spiel about how it's a genetic fault & should never be encouraged, 100's of Rottweilers killed daily in shelters, etc etc.

lucyvanpelt
February 14th, 2005, 12:05 PM
in my family's case, i'd have to disagree with you lucky. my parent's decision to buy a schnoodle had nothing to do with it being "designer" or "rare". if i had a small pic of my pup i'd post it and show you he looks far from designer and rare.

my mother chose a schnoodle for several reasons. while i understand there could be many differences from one schnoodle to the next, most have similar characteristics. they're known for great temperments, medium-small size, and (this has been highly debated around here) are non-shedding/non-allergenic. my mother had a tragic experience as a teen when her family's aging dog was pts after she developed severe allergies and at the time he was considered too old to give away and i suppose that was the usual solution at the time. who knows. all i know is it was devastating for her and she's longed for a dog ever since. duffy hasn't affected her allergies whatsoever (bear in mind, if he did, he would come with me when the time comes that i move out).

these might not be the greatest reasons. but why does anyone buy a puppy when there are dogs to be rescued?

and since we're on the subject, we didn't pay $1500 for him.

Writing4Fun
February 14th, 2005, 12:24 PM
they're known for great temperments, medium-small size, This would characterize most mixed-breed dogs you'll find in any shelter.
non-shedding/non-allergenic This is pure luck. Your mother is not affected by this particular dog's dander, but could very well have been affected by any of the other so-called "hypo-allergenic" mixes. As for non-shedding - some dogs shed less, but none will not shed at all. Heck, even I shed! :D It's just a natural occurance for anything with hair.
we didn't pay $1500 for him. But, I'll bet you did pay more than $250, which is about what you'd pay for any other mixed-breed dog at a shelter, already neutered & vet checked.

Lucy, it's great that you love your dog and no one here is bashing or attacking him or you. :grouphug: Just please don't try to justify what his "breeder" did, because in the eyes of the majority of this board, it's just not right.

Lucky Rescue
February 14th, 2005, 12:47 PM
they're known for great temperments, medium-small size, and (this has been highly debated around here) are non-shedding/non-allergenic.

A puppy's health and temperament is only as good as the parents are. Someone deliberately breeding mixes for $$ is not likely to know what genetic defects are common to both breeds or to care, or to have had them health tested. Anyone touting "Hypoallergenic" or "Non-shedding" or even "Rare", or "Teacup" as a selling point is disreputable and greedy.

And someone may be breeding their mutts in the lap of luxury and have them spoiled rotten, but they are still scamming the gullible and hurting animals by pumping out yet more badly bred mongrels when the shelters are loaded with them.

Go here. You'll see a bunch of cute "designer mixes" and even small purebreds who are homeless. They were all bred by people looking for a buck and who couldn't care less about the welfare of the dogs they brought into the world once they got the money in their hands.
Animatch (http://www.animatch.ca/en-ouradoptees.asp)

mona_b
February 15th, 2005, 10:16 AM
This is where I have to beg to differ. Maybe her pups weren't being raised in filth, but that doesn't make her a good breeder. As a matter of fact, the very point that she bred a mixed-breed animal on purpose tells me that she's not a reputable breeder and I would never consider buying from her as a result

I have to agree.No reputable breeder would EVER consider breeding mutts.I know a breeder who breeds Newfies and Poodles.They are titled and Champions.Would she even consider breeding the 2,I think not....But hey,she can have Newfiedoodles..... :p

I gave a friend of mine crap for going to a BYB and getting her Bichon/Shih Tzu pup Mason.She paid $400.Mason has been to the vets on many occasions.But before she got Mason,I gave her crap for going to a BYB to get her 2 Bichons.Which she paid $800 EACH for Misty and Mojo.They where the last 2 left,bro and sis.I tried to talk to her on the route to go before she got them.When she did,I asked her alot of questions.Parents where not tested,no titles or Champion lines.I asked to see their registration and Pedigree papers.She said she had them in a safe.BS,She made every excuse in the book.I came flat out and said you went to a BYB.They have also been to the vets many times.I just do not see the reson for dishing out so much money.And the more people buy these "mutts" the more these BYB's breed.And it is ONLY for the money.

And by the way,it's not a missconseption that mutts are prone to heath problems,it's a fact that they are.Pure breds or mutts,it's the same.Say a mutt is mixed with a GSD and Border Collie,it will still have the same health problems as if it was a pure of the 2 breeds.Hips,elbows.Eyes.

You were very lucky with yours.

mastifflover
February 15th, 2005, 10:31 AM
Okay someone is actually selling mutts for 1400.00 and people are paying it. Wow how stupid can you be. I can get a purebred English Mastiff puppy from a very reputable breeder for 1800.00 I might have to wait a year but I know I would be getting a healthy and sound temperment dog. Not that I would because there are way too many homeless dogs but if I ever did buy a pup it would only come from a reputable breeder who cares about the dogs even after they have gone to there forever homes. Plus they would have to be an advocate of rescues and work with them.

pitbulliest
February 15th, 2005, 01:14 PM
This thread is the reason why I'm hoping ALL of you will show up to the puppy mill demonstration in downtown Toronto this Saturday....it would really make a difference..we'll be handing out flyers and talking to people about the reality of puppy mills..it'd be great if you guys would be able to come...we had such a great turnout for the pitbull demonstration..and this one is by no means less important than that...

Anyways, I've posted the information before, but in case someone missed it, here it is again..feel free to crosspost..the more people, THE BETTER!

Puppy Mill Demo


Date: Sat. Feb. 19th (weather permitting)

Time: 12:00 - 2:00

Where: NW corner of Yonge St. and Eglinton Ave. Toronto (Parking info available here or take the subway to Eglinton station)

Contact: actionagainstpuppymills@hotmail.com or (416) 666-1695

Help raise awareness about puppy mills by handing out leaflets or holding a sign at this upcoming demo. All you need to bring is yourself. Leaflets and signs will be provided (although if anyone would like to their own signs, that's fine too). Dogs are welcomed providing that they are comfortable around people, other dogs and in a busy environment (traffic, kids, etc.).

Please pass this on to anyone who might be willing to help. The more people that attend, the stronger the impact we are likely to make.

*If you plan on attending, please e-mail actionagainstpuppymills@hotmail.com or call (416) 666-1695 so that you can be kept up to date.


For more info about puppy mills, visit: www.aapm.zoomshare.com



Samantha Carter

Action Against Puppy Mills

CyberKitten
February 15th, 2005, 01:46 PM
I know this is a controversial subject but I was discussing this today with my own GP. She is a coworker of course and refers many pediiatric petients to me (sadly often with cancer or AIDS or aplastic anemia etc). She shows Yorkies and has bred a couple of her champions and we were discussing these designer breeds.

I hope it is a passing fad and wonder why anyone would pay so much money for what is essentially a mutt. Most mutts are cute and wonderful dogs and there are so many at various shelters and pounds who need good homes. I think breeding designer anything - whether in a medical ethics debate over eugenics or the debate over sex selection - is an ethical question.

I too wondered what on earth a Morkie was and now I know, sigh!!! I think what upsets me the most about all this is that these dogs are bred for humans and not for the love of the dog and for the betterment of the breed. If you ask yourself that question, you have no choice but to conclude that this is an unecessary addition to the dog species. (and in the case of cats, for example the horrible breeding of cats with genetic deformities like the Scottish Fold - I have a physical disability myself and cannot imagine why on earth oner would delibertly do this to any living creature? How cruel!!!!). I read the thread about the Muchkin Scottish Fold and was very ipset by it. It is essentially a Twisty Cat and I am glad the human loves the cat but my God, it is hardly something to brag about! She even at one point suggested it was OK to breed them. Clearly she needs some knwledge on the subject and to suiggest it is like humans was very painful to me.I opted not to have children with my own disability even though it was idioptahic and congenital - and the hundreds of children I treat and who keep in touch is great for me -. Anyone with any kind of medical problem needs genetic counselling and no patient I know would wilingly and deliberteky bring a baby into the world with any serious problem.

I am an officer and active in a disability rights organization so I do think that if one does have a child with medical problems, then you do EVERYTHING possible to help the child have a normal life but to suggest it so casually really - well to be honesty - disgusted me.

Anyway, I am a little far afield. I think the designer dogs now in existence should clearly need homes but I hope there are no more. (Alas, the market and people's desires will prve me wrong)

Sorry for the length. That Scttish Fold issue really upset me!

happycats
February 15th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Cyberkitten, I felt exactly the same way you did about the scottish fold post, but knew I could not put it as eloquently as you!!
wonderfully put !!

sammiec
February 15th, 2005, 03:52 PM
DO NOT go to Hoobly's if you're looking for a pet!

Dobermom, I'm not sure if you were posting that link as a source for finding animals.... but they are nothing but an on line classified ad - just like buying from the paper!

They are puppy peddlers and NOT reliable for a healthy animal with a good temperment.

greaterdane
February 15th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Sammie, no no no no I was posting it as a bad thing, if you looked at my previous post you would have seen that i hate them

I was just on there again and found these

Bichon Frise/****zu Stud Service
Ad Number: 90791
Location: Oshawa, Ontario [Pets & Animals]
Seller: ceasar
Price: $1.00 CAD
Available: 1
Placed: Feb 15, 2005
Expires: Feb 14, 2009


email seller | clip ad | report ad
Bichon Frise/Shih Tzu available for stud service. He is 1.5 years old. He is sable in colour and weighs about 11lbs. He is up to date on shots and heartworm/flea prevention program.This will be his first stud experience.Stud fee/pick of the litter is negotiable. For more info and pics of him email request to


4 Sell
Ad Number: 86932
Location: Scarborough, Ontario [Pets & Animals]
Seller: stacey0275
Placed: Feb 4, 2005
Expires: Mar 17, 2005


email seller | clip ad | report ad
yes i have 5 boxer puppies,3 shih-tuz,1 jrt,2 pom and 1 yorkie

boxers are going for $450 shih-tuz are going for $450 the JRT is going for $350 and the poms are going for$450 and the yorkie is going for $650
all of the puppies have had their shots and are dewormed plz give a call thnxs. 416-282-0897



HORRIBLE.

sammiec
February 15th, 2005, 03:58 PM
Oh okay... that post WAY back there!! LOL!! :o Sorry! :D I read it the other day, but just started reading where I left off... I forget sometimes! :D

greaterdane
February 15th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Its horrible but even the petfinder classifieds are sometimes bad. I emailed about a great dane before about a year ago. They were finding him a new home because they were moving.. i dont really remember. Well I emailed, explained that I stay home I have large breed experience etc etc basically my whole background. They emailed back saying I sounded likea great home but wanted to know how much I was willing to pay. I said a reasonable adoption fee. Well they got back to me stating a few people have offered $300 so I said I would pay $350 then they emailed saying someone offered $1000, I wrote back saying I am not having a bidding war over a living animal that you are willing to dispose of at the highest bid. I told them it disgusted me that they would only want the money and not a good home. ERRRR people... This is why I was leary about adopting Dexter, he was also posted on the petfinder classifieds. Luckily he is the bestest boy in the whole wide world... :p

Carina
February 15th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Hi Amy, if you are still following this thread, do you have any thoughts? :)

Jazzmanian
February 16th, 2005, 01:16 AM
Amy has (with good reason) likely left the building.

I've been here reading threads for a couple of weeks now, and it seems that at least 50% of the threads are duplicates of each other.

A person asks a question.

5 or 6 people jump down their throat and hijack the thread into a puppy-mill bash fest.

Do not read this as support of puppy mills, but only as a comment on the general mood this board seems to project. Other boards I frequent would moderate and possibly refer the poster to a sticky note.

All this of course is only one persons opinion.

Karin
February 16th, 2005, 06:40 AM
Amy has (with good reason) likely left the building.

I've been here reading threads for a couple of weeks now, and it seems that at least 50% of the threads are duplicates of each other.

A person asks a question.

5 or 6 people jump down their throat and hijack the thread into a puppy-mill bash fest.

Do not read this as support of puppy mills, but only as a comment on the general mood this board seems to project. Other boards I frequent would moderate and possibly refer the poster to a sticky note.

All this of course is only one persons opinion.

People that come here looking for a quick, cheap fix to their sick pet's problem would rarely look at any "sticky note". Afterall, they are trying to avoid the responsibility of being a pet owner...they feel that feeding an animal should be the extent of their expense. God forbid they should fork out any cash at a vet hospital.
I could go on but I need to get ready for work so I can support my roommate.
Since you have been reading for a few weeks and are full of such great wisdom, maybe you can enlighten us on how to stop all this wonton breeding and cure a dog that has been vomiting, not eating for *_______*(insert how many days here), can't walk, has seizures, etc.etc. over the internet.

Amy may have left, but I can promise you there will be many more Amy's to follow.

Carina
February 16th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Amy has (with good reason) likely left the building.

.

What good reason? Not one single person levelled an insult at her.

She probably read all sorts of things she didn't know previously, every single person here learned of designer breeds, inrresponsible breeding etc one way or another. Here, on boards like it, by research, whatever.

It's true that different forums and boards develop a sort of "groupthink" but that doesn't make it wrong. Just that people tend to congregate where there's like-minded folks! I like it that there isn't heavy moderating on these forums.

Look at Ghullum's mom & other people who initially came here, posted something controversial, got swept into a storm of strong opinions, and had the guts or will or whatever to stay & learn more. Because at the heart of these strong opinions is a passion for the health & welfare of animals.

Mind you a sticky about designer breeds etc might not be a bad idea. I did notice a reduction in the "Help plz my pet is bleeding from every orifice and isn't eating what do u think it could be" posts after the notice was put up on the health forum about when to take your animal to the vet & not waste time posting unanswerable questions.

mona_b
February 16th, 2005, 08:37 AM
A person asks a question.

5 or 6 people jump down their throat and hijack the thread into a puppy-mill bash fest.

No one jumped down her throat.She came on asking about a Morkie "breeder"...So we all just wanted to inform her about this "designer" breed which she probably didn't know about.This is a site that people can give out information on things we know..Well guess what,we did.

twinmommy
February 16th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by Jazzmanian
"A person asks a question.

5 or 6 people jump down their throat and hijack the thread into a puppy-mill bash fest. "


Do you have ANY idea how tragic puppy mills ARE???? Most of the people on this board are supporting or directly working with rescue. No one jumps down anyone's throat, but if someone seems uneducated on the issue--trust me she/he won't leave here without some enlightenment...

Puppy mills are exploitation in the most horrific sense of the word.

We should jump. Yes we should.

If someone leaves the forum feeling offended, then she should read the format at the beginning to get a feel for who we are. If she is STILL offended after that then maybe she should ask her questions elsewhere. Not to be mean, but I think when we look at an issue as tragic as puppymills, byb, and the like, people's feelings are secondary, and HARDLY the point.

That's just my opinion.

adplater
February 16th, 2005, 12:23 PM
I tried rescues - multiple year wait list
I tried this bulletin board - no responses

The person who I bought my puppy from was extremely picky about who she sold her dogs too. We had lengthy conversations about what kind of environment I would be able to provide the dog, she made sure that I knew all the health problems the particular breed had, etc. I still keep in touch with her as it one of the requests she had upon the purchase of the puppy.

I have some more comments on the comments here....

Wanting a specific breed does not make you a bad person - most times there are specific reasons why a certain type is wanted ie. allergies, amount of exercise that can be provided, indoor / outdoor etc.

It would be wonderful if all dogs at rescues could be rescued and I honestly tried a rescue and it was not an option (multiple year wait list). But on the other hand - do you want people getting a rescue dog just because it's a rescue dog (ie - they're doing a good thing?)? What if they can't exercise it enough, are allergic to it etc. What's the point then? They'll just bring it back to the rescue.

By going to a breeder, does that make me a bad person? Because many of your comments on this board indicate that I am and I take great offense at that. I LOVE my dog and cannot imagine life without her.

Since I have joined this board the hostility is almost becoming overwhelming and has made me leery of posting anything for fear of everyone jumping down my throat.

It's obvious that everyone loves their animals here. I do not think it is right that someone has to defend wanting a certain breed or where they got their animal from.

sammiec
February 16th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Wanting a specific breed does not make you a bad person - most times there are specific reasons why a certain type is wanted ie. allergies, amount of exercise that can be provided, indoor / outdoor etc.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a specific breed. BUT we try and educate people that are unknowing about the "breeds" that they ask about. Many of the "breeds" nowadays are infact NOT breeds.
We waited for a year before find the dog that we wanted. We knew what we were looking for and we made sure that we got what we wanted. But you have to have patience, not resort to a classifed ad because you didn't get the response you wanted within the timeframe that you specified.

It would be wonderful if all dogs at rescues could be rescued and I honestly tried a rescue and it was not an option (multiple year wait list). But on the other hand - do you want people getting a rescue dog just because it's a rescue dog (ie - they're doing a good thing?)? What if they can't exercise it enough, are allergic to it etc. What's the point then? They'll just bring it back to the rescue.

Some people that try and get dogs from rescues that don't have the time and energy for it, will more then likeyl get denied...
Rescues can be wrong... they can assume that because you work 8 hours a day that you're not going to be fit for that animal. Well... they have been right more times then wrong... they deal with MANY different types of people wanting animals and adoption selection gets more and more difficult after a potential adopter ruins it for the next.... :sad:

By going to a breeder, does that make me a bad person? Because many of your comments on this board indicate that I am and I take great offense at that. I LOVE my dog and cannot imagine life without her.

By going to a REPUTIPLE breeder it doesn't make a bad person. If you go to someone that has puppies born in their house because they have cute dog and wanted her to have some like her... then there is a lack of education. If you're questioning what to look for and aren't sure what to expect, then research... people are willing to teach others about the pros and cons.

Since I have joined this board the hostility is almost becoming overwhelming and has made me leery of posting anything for fear of everyone jumping down my throat.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Many people here are very passionate about animals and their well being. Many of us would seel our homes, cars, and quit our jobs if it meant helping that animal. BUT not everyone shares those views; and some people feel that when others don't agree with what they have to say, then we are hostile and rude.

It's obvious that everyone loves their animals here. I do not think it is right that someone has to defend wanting a certain breed or where they got their animal from. what's done is done. But if we can help someone learn a little more, read a little more and be educated about their search for pets... then we will help.. if we can prevent someone from buying a petstore dog, or buying a dog from a BYB, why not give it a chance...

mona_b
February 16th, 2005, 12:40 PM
We are talking about "designer" breeds here.People who purposely breed 2 purebreds and then call them Morkies,Cockapoos,Labradoodles,Pekeapoos,and so on.These people ONLY do it for the money.They usualy breed with every heat.They are not genetic or health tested.These are BYB's.And yes also from puppymills.

No one puts people down who have gone to a reputable breeder.I have never had anyone jump down my throat when I mentioned my dogs came from a reputable breed.Who's dogs come from champion lines,are titled in SchH III.Have a pedigree that goes back to 5 generations.Have been genetic and health tested.Only breed no more then twice a year.Need I say more... :)

Just some info for you,there is no such thing as a "teacup"Chi...Do you know that they way they get this so called teacup is my breeding the runts?

happycats
February 16th, 2005, 12:41 PM
http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/flamethrower.gif
Hey Karin wheres your suit !!

Lucky Rescue
February 16th, 2005, 12:53 PM
adplater, I agree that there is nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed. I know I did.

There is also nothing wrong with dealing with a reputable breeder, who has the breed's best interests in mind. There are many rather rare breeds that would be impossible to find in shelters or rescues, so breeder puppies are often the only option.

There IS something wrong with someone peddling puppies on that hoobly site. A reputable breeder would have a list of approved homes even before the breeding took place.

You will NEVER see a truly reputable breeder offering puppies on the net.

By the way, the puppy you got from this person. She now is shedding to the point of baldness, coughing, has very watery eyes and a hernia?

Reputable breeders use only dogs who have been tested and cleared of any and all genetic defects and give health guarantees on puppies. What does your health guarantee say?

Did you see the place where your puppy came from?

adplater
February 16th, 2005, 01:01 PM
In response to shedding / watery eyes / coughing - she had a cold - nothing to run to an emergency room about.
The shedding has definitely lessened in the past 2 days - we're attributing it to nothing more than a brushing required.

Yes, I saw the breeder's home - it was impeccable - her home and where the puppies were. BTW the puppy was 8 months old when I got her.

I understand educating - I've seen some fabulous posts by senior members - but some people need to go to anger management school and learn how to get their emotions in check.

and yes I have a chihuahua (VERY proud owner!) not a tea-cup either - I wanted a chihuahua because of the lifestyle that we have - constantly travelling etc......

but I digress - I'm feeling that I have to defend myself.

too bad a few apples spoil the bunch!

Bugsy
February 16th, 2005, 01:03 PM
"Morkie" - had a show in the 70's with a girl named Mindy, didn't he??

W4F.... LMAO! http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/lachen/24.gif

sammiec
February 16th, 2005, 01:13 PM
LMAO! When the going gets rough... Bugsy hijacks the thread... LOL!! You go girl!

Lucky Rescue
February 16th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Whoever mentioned putting up a sticky concerning designer breeds - there is already a puppymill sticky on this very forum but I will add a designer breed one.

Adplater - glad your dog is feeling better, but dogs do NOT get colds. They get respiratory infections which can be very serious in such a tiny dog. It could very well be "something to run to emergency for."

sammiec
February 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM
http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v154/cheerfulhamster/morienana2.jpg

ROTFLMAO!!! http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/happy-rotfl4.gif
I typed "morkie" into Google images and this is one that came up!!!

Bugsy
February 16th, 2005, 01:30 PM
LMAO! When the going gets rough... Bugsy hijacks the thread... LOL!! You go girl!


http://progcenter.free.fr/panos2/GS_bc48d2f539d0c9d15455ac3a373c32f9.png We need audio (insert Shaggy song)


It must be Bugsy & Peaches... see they log on to my PC when I'm at work. "Yeah that's it !"

Writing4Fun
February 16th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Oh, Sammie! That is just too funny!http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/happy-rotfl8.gif (do I feel another 4-day smily fest coming on?)

Adplater, I don't know why you have your knickers in a knot (now where have I heard that before??http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/confused-scratchhead3.gif ). No one here said anything about purchasing puppies from reputable breeders. Many people have. We love them all. So there's a multiple year waiting list for breed-specific rescues. There are also waiting lists for reputable breeders. Instant gratification is not an option when dealing with a life.

http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/signs-rant.gif

jjgeonerd
February 16th, 2005, 02:11 PM
It seems to me that there are only long (years, not weeks) waiting lists at shelters if someone is being too picky about the breed they want, or is unwilling to drive a little ways to a different rescue place. When we got our dog Gabby, instead of searching for a specifc breed we searched for desireable qualities, such as: hair length, size, energy level, age, and to a lesser extent temperment (since that is largely upbringing). Who cares what the breed is if you aren't going to show the dog? A loving pet is a loving pet whether it is a lab, dane, pitt, rott, supermutt or whatever.

FYI...we wanted a short haired, <75 lb, younger dog with enough energy to go on mountain bike rides with us but not so much that we would go crazy. We ended up adopting a black lab/pitbull mix. She is on the higher side of our energy level and weight, but she is basically exactly what we were looking for and loves to go for bike rides! :thumbs up She is GREAT!!

Trinitie
February 16th, 2005, 03:13 PM
It seems that many people can get carried away on a topic they're passionate about. What types of breeders are out there is something people who frequent these boards are passionate about. There will never be a request for a "designer dog" that goes without some sort of informative post being made.

A reputable breeder breeds for one goal - to have the best dog of that particular breed. The goal? This (http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/) is the goal. Would the breeder of this Pointer mate her with a Great Dane because it would make a better dog? Not if you paid her any sum of money. That's what reputable breeders do - they breed for the betterment of the breed.

"Designer dogs" are just that - dogs that are specifically bred for characteristics of two different breeds. They'll never be recognized - at least in my lifetime - as a breed by any reputable club.

It's one thing to see a dog you like and to want to adopt it. It's another entirely to seek out a particular mix of dog and call it a breed.

Schnoodle, Cockapoos, and other mixes started off as an accidental mix of two dogs. Someone saw it, liked it, and the design craze started. Poor things. Makes you wonder what these "loving" people will make them look like next.

adplater
February 16th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Instant gratification? Maybe you should have asked to hear the entire story.

Our first dog was a humane society rescue (Dutchie passed away 5 years ago - beagle / terrier something cross - no, not a designer breed! A totally pure mutt!!!) and he was the love of our lives. After he died, I didn't think I could ever have another dog in the house (too painful - felt like I was trying to replace him etc).

About two years ago, I thought I had grieved enough and knew I could provide a wonderful loving home for a dog again. I looked all over the internet, local humane societies, rescues, boards at work, word of mouth etc. educating myself about different breeds / health problems / activity levels etc. and also looking for a dog that would fit in our home. Our home has no yard, lots of travelling, 2 small children, and a humane society rescue cat which can be very choosy on who she loves. If I had not seen the ad at the website, I would still be searching for Rosie and she would have been looking for a home also.

Rosie was born with a very small hernia (kind of looks like she has a belly-button which looks odd on a dog), which the vet said was not a problem and that she may grow out of it. Since it had not resolved itself, the vet suggested fixing it today since she was going to be in that area spaying her anyways.

I do enjoy the education / knowledge, helpfullness etc. gained through this board. But I don't think I'm the only one who feels the same way I do about some of the other comments. Look at Jazzanian's comments, Amy is no longer around etc. and then look at Karina / Writing 4 fun responses.

Carina
February 16th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Don't get defensive...you love Rosie, and you probably have learned by now there's better places to find a breeder, right?
That's what it's all about. :)

Trinitie
February 16th, 2005, 04:42 PM
I'm not surprised that the OP has not returned. More often than not, the people that post these "1" post questions never return, and are just trying to stir the pot.

It looks like Amy did a good job. Look at us attacking each other. We all love our animals, and wish them only the best. The educated ones are the ones who return, even when they see replies they may not like. If we can educate one person to what designer dogs are, and the reasons for not seeking them out when there are so many homeless dogs/cats in shelters, then we've had a good day and can sleep well.

I think we can call this thread finished. Do I hear an "Amen" to that?

sammiec
February 16th, 2005, 04:46 PM
WAIT!!!! Here's another "morkie" that I found!

http://coffeebotcafe.com/morkie.jpg

Okay, now close it! ;)

Trinitie
February 16th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Oh boy! I should delete that UGLY monkey BEFORE I close this thread! :eek:

Princesss04
February 16th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Sammie i wonder how much your morkies would sell for. I mean come on that purple morkie is hard to come by! LOL :D